any tips on "pimping" an arcade cabinet? (now with a new and improved flame war)

[Shape D.]

It's not like we're talking about murder here

Are you refering to "moral" or "immoral" murder?

[Gunstar Hero]

My aplogies for hijacking this thread. I now return it to it's correct course... PIMPING. 

(puts on a pink hat with an orange feather, hops into a big yella Caddy and peels out of this thread)

[subzero23]

It's not like we're talking about murder here

Are you refering to "moral" or "immoral" murder?

I guess
I mean murder is more serious since it actually HURTS people

[versapak]

I guess
I mean murder is more serious since it actually HURTS people

So taking money away from people doesn't hurt them?

[menace]

Why do you guys even respond to I'mazero23 ???He's obviously immature --its like having an in depth conversation with an 8 yr. old--sure you can do it--but why bother?--if he wants to think that

Whoring out software like mame and mamewah for commercial uses is OKAY

then thats his business--if i was saint or any other admin i would ban him for saying that, as it goes directly against the purpose of this board, but i'm not so I will just ignore him and I suggest you do the same--ignore all his questions, all his replies--soon he will go leech somewhere else.

[subzero23]

I guess
I mean murder is more serious since it actually HURTS people

So taking money away from people doesn't hurt them?

If I took money away from someone that'd be stealing

[FractalWalk]

Please.

[subzero23]

Why do you guys even respond to I'mazero23 ???He's obviously immature --its like having an in depth conversation with an 8 yr. old--sure you can do it--but why bother?--if he wants to think that

Whoring out software like mame and mamewah for commercial uses is OKAY

then thats his business--if i was saint or any other admin i would ban him for saying that, as it goes directly against the purpose of this board, but i'm not so I will just ignore him and I suggest you do the same--ignore all his questions, all his replies--soon he will go leech somewhere else.

No, I'm NOT immature
I have different opinions. I speak about them and argue with them in a civil manner,but other people do NOT respect that
the thought that someone could have different morals and that morals are subjective is totally alien to these people

[Shape D.]

To claim it isn't stealing is the coward's way out.

[subzero23]

"But I won't play the "it's really not stealing"

[subzero23]

It's ridiculous that someone can't have a differing opinion without being called immature

[Shape D.]

No, I'm NOT immature
I have different opinions. I speak about them and argue with them in a civil manner,but other people do NOT respect that
the thought that someone could have different morals and that morals are subjective is totally alien to these people

Morals are subjective, Laws are not, Stealing is against the law. try telling a prosecuter the next time your in court that the law you are being charged with is irellivent because your morals say its ok.

[versapak]

Making money off of software that you have not bought, or otherwise received the license to do so, is STEALING.


We all tread in dangerous waters, in just the use of MAME, but those that go and make money off of it are despicable.

[Shape D.]

We all tread in dangerous waters, in just the use of MAME, but those that go and make money off of it are despicable.

And endangering the hobby in general.

[FractalWalk]

IT SIMPLY ISNT STEALING . . . I never took away anything from anyone

But the point is that you are taking something from someone. You are just defining it in a very direct, narrow manner that is rather simplisitc and naive (no offense intended).

If you own a ROM without paying for it, then you have taken something from someone without their permission.

[subzero23]

You know this is why I say 99% of the internet is retarded, because people take stuff personally. They get mad, they get hateful and they get vengeful too. I bet some of you are looking at my posts and literally saying to yourself "I don't like this guy" or "I hate this guy"

Do you think I get mad when people say stuff about me or have OPINIONS I DONT LIKE? NO cuz I don't take it personally and I don't care.

I'm not even going to discuss moral issues anymore on here because I know some jerkoff will take my opinions personally and report me to the police assuming I've done something I simply have an opinion about.

[subzero23]

No, I'm NOT immature
I have different opinions. I speak about them and argue with them in a civil manner,but other people do NOT respect that
the thought that someone could have different morals and that morals are subjective is totally alien to these people

Morals are subjective, Laws are not, Stealing is against the law. try telling a prosecuter the next time your in court that the law you are being charged with is irellivent because your morals say its ok.

But when did I ever say laws were subjective? I know damn well laws are laws (sometimes made by retarded people but laws none the less) but my opinions don't agree with them. I'm sure most of you wouldn't like or think its right if they had banned violent video games in the 90s

[Shape D.]

But when did I ever say laws were subjective? I know damn well laws are laws (sometimes made by retarded people but laws none the less) but my opinions don't agree with them. I'm sure most of you wouldn't like or think its right if they had banned violent video games in the 90s

here

I don't care about dictionary or law interpretations of "to steal"
there is only one definition for me, to take something away from someone else so that person no longer has it

and here

I never said my thing about stealing because of the legality of rom use
THAT IS HOW I REALLY FEEL

It isn't a coward's way out, IT SIMPLY ISNT STEALING
I never took away anything from anyone
I was never ever going to BUY anything from them either

[subzero23]

But i never denied that something is or isnt against the law

[FractalWalk]

Subzero:

The internet is a terrible medium, on which to discuss. It's difficult to clarify one's argument in a quick post.

[Shape D.]

stealing = against the law
not stealing  = not against the law
saying something isn't stealing = saying its not against the law

[Bones]

subzero, of course you are entitled to your opinions, even if they are shallow in thought and are wrong.

The current laws have been developed and redefined over hundreds of years and although many may not be perfect or somewhat outdated, these laws are the backbone of current society. They are a necessity to protect people and product. It really doesn

[subzero23]

Subzero:

The internet is a terrible medium, on which to discuss. It's difficult to clarify one's argument in a quick post.

[subzero23]

"subzero, of course you are entitled to your opinions, even if they are shallow in thought and are wrong. "

How can opinions be wrong?

"The current laws have been developed and redefined over hundreds of years and although many may not be perfect or somewhat outdated, these laws are the backbone of current society. They are a necessity to protect people and product. It really doesn

[Layer01]

  um........ok.....well this all exploded a little more than i expected. i did mean a legal (i assumed they were legal) bought cabinet, IE: one with a jamma or whatever mobo running whatever game pluged into it. i did not mean a MAME cab as i am fully aware of the implications of emulation.

sorry i was not as specific in my first post as i should have been, but i guess i was running off common sense lol, not that you guys knew what i was thinking, so fair enough if there was some...uh...backlash.
maybe the word "pimping" was not the best choice either but i was just trying to inject humour not confusion.

Thanks for those of you who offered advice,  i did not know about the license thing, is that an american thing? i wonder what we have like it in australia. but anyway its given me a starting point. not that i really want to make a buisness out of renting out cabs, but it would help ease the blow of the initial price of the cab (you know being a poor uni student and all lol)


all those of you dencending into flame war teritory, lets stop this now and let life go on, you may now agree to disagree 

[jarrett]

How can opinions be wrong?

I can probably find an example of an opinion that is based on misinformation, therefore it might be called wrong.

They want to ban stem cell research which is just stupid, for example.

Okay, that's your opinion.  However, the federal government has never attempted to ban stem cell research.  The current administration has limited the public funding of embryonic stem cell research, while funding to many other types of stem cell research remains unrestricted, and no research has been banned.  I'd say it's fair to consider your opinion to be wrong, or at least wholly misinformed.

...It sucks that those laws are so gay for certain things...

Using the word "gay" as a pejorative adjective makes you seem very immature, and I personally find it offensive.

...this is why I say 99% of the internet is retarded...

Please think about joining us in the other one percent before spouting off.

[Mameotron]

Oh yea, you need an operator's lic too.

[MameJunkie]

I don't care about dictionary or law interpretations of "to steal"
there is only one definition for me, to take something away from someone else so that person no longer has it

So by your definition, copying any software is okay since you never take it away from another person.  Everyone is different moral values so if it doesn't bother you, go for it.  But its still stealing even if you define it as not.

[Layer01]

*sigh*
guys maybe this thread should be deleated or closed or whatever, as it seemes that its just degenerating, not to mention going off topic...

[Bones]

*sigh*
guys maybe this thread should be deleated or closed or whatever, as it seemes that its just degenerating, not to mention going off topic...

I say leave it open. Somewhere in here is some important information for others considering the pimping idea who do not know better.

It's all about knowledge.

 

[Layer01]

I say leave it open.

It's all about knowledge.

 

oh i agree, i would like to leave it open too, but maybe a little "cleaning" is in order, you know get back onto the topic, which is how to get your (LEGAL) arcade machine into a public place and earning some income.
those of you who have done this please share your stories, and any tips you may have

[subzero23]

How can opinions be wrong?

I can probably find an example of an opinion that is based on misinformation, therefore it might be called wrong.

They want to ban stem cell research which is just stupid, for example.

Okay, that's your opinion.

[subzero23]

I don't care about dictionary or law interpretations of "to steal"
there is only one definition for me, to take something away from someone else so that person no longer has it

So by your definition, copying any software is okay since you never take it away from another person.

[RayB]

"How can opinions be wrong?" he asked...

Let's say Mr. X says "It's ok to kill anyone I choose to so long as I think they deserved it." How's that for an opinion? And by your logic, that opinion can't be wrong.

Man... since you ARE in college I suggest you take "Moral Philosophy 101". You'll learn actually than many moral rights/wrongs are inherently right or wrong and not subjective. (Look up "Inherent"). There are fundamental truths that have been debated through the ages and the conclusions are always the same. Such as for example the taking of another's life. When discussing moral philosophy beyond the core "truths", one basic thing in determining what is moral or immoral is intent and consequence. That's why our laws are built with varying degrees of penalties. (ie: A lighter sentence of taking a person's life accidentally vs taking their life intentionally).

What it boils down to is that everything has consequences. And everybody's actions ripple far beyond their immediate interactions and surroundings. For example, the popularity of MAME and MAME cabinet building has already had a negative effect on the value of classic arcade machines. That affects real people out there who thought they could refurb and sell these machines. Individually our actions seem insignificant (we don't intend to cause harm), but collectively we've all had an effect (the consequences to our actions). Just remember that. That's all I'm saying in this.

~Ray B.

[subzero23]

heh how funny
I DID take moral philosophy in college
that's where I basically learned to form these opinions
morals are completely subjective

[Bones]

heh how funny
I DID take moral philosophy in college
that's where I basically learned to form these opinions
morals are completely subjective

My 4 year old girl could choose to take Rocket Science, but it doesn't mean she could build a rocket. It wouldn't mean she mastered it or learned anything worthwhile.

Even if her rocket were successful, she would still have to design a navigation system that could navigate its way from Sydney to your anus.

That's why Daddy is going to help her.

[subzero23]

Lol its obvious YOUVe never taken the class
what'd you expect they'd teach me? THat only certain morals are correct? and who is to decide those morals?getreal

[danny_galaga]

this silly argument is solved easily. EVERYONE- insert 'piracy' where the word 'stealing' was being used. now subbie mah man, do you still have the same argument?

[danny_galaga]

My aplogies for hijacking this thread. I now return it to it's correct course... PIMPING.

[subzero23]

this silly argument is solved easily. EVERYONE- insert 'piracy' where the word 'stealing' was being used. now subbie mah man, do you still have the same argument?

ya pretty much