any tips on "pimping" an arcade cabinet? (now with a new and improved flame war)

[Layer01]

Hi after hearing quite a few guys on the forums saying that in a few months their (bought) cabinets paid for them selves by putting them in bars and whatnot.
i was thinking how do you go about getting them set up in such a location, is it as simple as saying to the owner, "yo wanna have a cab in your bar, or whatever you own"? and if so what is the most common deal reached on splitting the revenue, assuming you dont know the guys and they need incentive to accept...


NOTE: i do not mean a MAME CABINET

 

[Lilwolf]

1) it illegal and expect to get in trouble

2) expect to have people trash it.... If you took pride in your work expect smoke, beer, throwup on it.

3) dont use mame.  If I see it in a public place for money using mame... I will report you!  why should you make money on their work.  You spend a weekend building a cab.  These guys (multiple guys) have spent years.  Get overyourself your time isn't worth it.

4) Dont' use roms... The orginal companies spent TONS to develop these games.  Read #3

4) The people the put the machine in their location can get in trouble.  So make sure you hate the person.  Nothing like sending your friends huge fines and having their companies go under for your personal gain.


most game companies look a blind eye for people who enjoy emulation as a hobby.  But once you start making money on it and they will go after you.  I have seen mame machines at youth centers and I thought it was a good thing.  Machines open, everyone happy.  But take it to the next step and you WILL find people thinking you as scum.

btw... I don't know how to find the people... I guess you could just ask around.

[Lilwolf]

Oh yeah...  forgot to add..

Dont use a frontend from anyone here.  EVERY one is VERY against it.

Expect to refund a ton of money from people putting coins in and switching games.  Expect company owners to start getting pissed at you for all the time.

And last.  You don't usually get a good response around here.  People here will help refurb originals... but you are asking us for advice on how to make money on others...

[danny_galaga]

theres a thread on the everything else section. probably several:

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,28887.0.html

my two cents worth is if you really want to do it, use an original game board. then even if THATS still illegal, it's not QUITE as bad. and also there will be less problems with people losing coins

[versapak]

Why would it be illegal, if it was not an emulation cab?


The original post said nothing about it being a MAME cab, so to go on a rant about seems a bit premature.

[SirPeale]

He does state 'bought cab' right in the first sentence.

[DarkSoul1]

The cab Layer01 is referring to is a standard arcade cab with 1 board as original installed, currently for sale here in Australia on eBay.

Not a MAME cab guys.

[RetroJames]

Yep, simple as "hey wanna place this game in your location?"

[Hoagie_one]

pimpin aint easy

[JoyMonkey]

This thread's title is a little misleading, I thought it was going to be about adding 'go-faster' stripes and fuzzy dice to an arcade cabinet. Maybe 8-ball joystick tops too. And those sh1tty "tribal" tattoo designs for sideart.

*pimp-walks out, leaving door open*

[GGKoul]

He's the Pimp of the Year!

[RayB]

Might want to re-write your message there Layer01. Be more specific about what kind of cab you're talking about. (ie: not mame?)

[Gunstar Hero]

It helps if you're wearing a purple hat with a big yellow feather in it.

[subzero23]

Just my tip to anyone thinking of pimping ANY kind of cab
just go for it, no one in the right mind is going to know it's a MAME cab nor care, and no one is going to ask for an operator's license........

[Gunstar Hero]

Edit - Sorry, off topic ranting.

[subzero23]

I'm not a thieve, neither for having an opinion OR putting a mame cab in a profit area if I were to do it. Unless you can explain what I'm stealing?

To steal: To take something away from someone else so they no longer have it.

[JoyMonkey]

Just my tip to anyone thinking of pimping ANY kind of cab
just go for it, no one in the right mind is going to know it's a MAME cab nor care, and no one is going to ask for an operator's license........

Maybe people won't know or care if it's a Mame cab, but doing something like this without a license is asking for trouble. Where I live, any sane business owner will NOT let you put unlicensed machines in their establishments because they know the city will come down hard on them if they do. Maybe not in your backward white trash town.

[Gunstar Hero]

Edit - Sorry, off topic ranting

[subzero23]

I just don't think the term stealing is accurate since you're not taking anything AWAY from someone else

[Gunstar Hero]

Edit - no longer relevant.

[subzero23]

No, my opinions have nothing to do with my intelligence

[FractalWalk]

I just don't think the term stealing is accurate since you're not taking anything AWAY from someone else

There is no question that it is stealing. The laws that cover this are about theft.

[Gunstar Hero]

Edit - Say, pimping IS easy!

[ChadTower]

I bet it would be of great value to put one on freeplay in a bar... that would bring folks in and you're not stealing by the aforementioned definition since you're not making money directly off the cab. 

[subzero23]

oh god if you talk to these pirate liberals anything you do is stealing
they seriously don't know what stealing means

[FractalWalk]

I bet it would be of great value to put one on freeplay in a bar... that would bring folks in and you're not stealing by the aforementioned definition since you're not making money directly off the cab.

[Shape D.]

To steal: To take something away from someone else so they no longer have it.

steal   Audio pronunciation of "steal" ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (stl)
v. stole, (stl) sto

[JoyMonkey]

So is there a way to 'block' certain people with the new forum software?

[ChadTower]

That would still be stealing.

[subzero23]

I don't care about dictionary or law interpretations of "to steal"
there is only one definition for me, to take something away from someone else so that person no longer has it

[Gunstar Hero]

Edit - Sorry. Off topic ranting.

[subzero23]

"Look here junior. YOU KNOW NOTHING. Remember that. Before you spout that your "opinions" mean anything, that your intelligence has nothing to do with it, or call 99% of your "fellow users" FREAKING RETARDED you might want to go out and live a little and maybe just experience some goddammed loss"

You know that's a mighty big assumption to call me junior and unexperienced.

Copying some program files is NOT stealing. I will never ever ever be convinced it's stealing, and that's just an OPINION.
Who said I called 99% of my fellow users retarded? I said 99% of the internet, but surely that does include some of the users here, but this board doesn't comprise the entire internet

[FractalWalk]

Right... so, by THAT application of the concept, I would like for you to delete all ROMs that you possess for which you do not own the original game board, cartridge, or disc.

[Shape D.]

Stealing is not an opinion based offense. there are laws reguarding stealing, AKA: YOU DO NOT DICTATE WHAT STEALING IS, THE GOVERNMENT DOES.

[subzero23]

Stealing is not an opinion based offense. there are laws reguarding stealing, AKA: YOU DO NOT DICTATE WHAT STEALING IS, THE GOVERNMENT DOES.

Yeah maybe in a court of law, I try not to break laws so I don't have to end up there. It sucks that those laws are so gay for certain things.

But to me, morally, stealing will always be how I described

[subzero23]

"So if I take Saint's book, make a hundred copies and sell it to people on this board for $10 a pop, I'm not stealing right? "

Well at its core, no you're not stealing.
Were those people originally going to buy the book? If so, maybe.. although if they never ever planned on buying it then no not stealing.

[Gunstar Hero]

Whatever subzero.

Your 22. Probably still live at home. Probably don't have a job. I could care less. But I'd have to try real hard.

You don't have any empathy, have a screwed sense of morals, and generally have fallen to the level of "worthless" in my opinion.

I wonder how guys like Minwah are gonna feel about that sig...

[FractalWalk]

Were those people originally going to buy the book? If so, maybe..

That's where it starts to get fuzzy doesn't it?

[subzero23]

Whatever subzero.

Your 22. Probably still live at home. Probably don't have a job. I could care less. But I'd have to try real hard.

You don't have any empathy, have a screwed sense of morals, and generally have fallen to the level of "worthless" in my opinion.

I wonder how guys like Minwah are gonna feel about that sig...

Damn you guessed well.
I am going to college however, gonna cure some disease when I grow up or something but hey I'm worthless.

I don't have a screwed sense of morals, just a DIFFERENT ONE.
It's not like we're talking about murder here

[Gunstar Hero]

Of course sub. Everything you say is right.   

I hope you reap as you sow. 

[Shape D.]

It's not like we're talking about murder here

Are you refering to "moral" or "immoral" murder?

[Gunstar Hero]

My aplogies for hijacking this thread. I now return it to it's correct course... PIMPING. 

(puts on a pink hat with an orange feather, hops into a big yella Caddy and peels out of this thread)

[subzero23]

It's not like we're talking about murder here

Are you refering to "moral" or "immoral" murder?

I guess
I mean murder is more serious since it actually HURTS people

[versapak]

I guess
I mean murder is more serious since it actually HURTS people

So taking money away from people doesn't hurt them?

[menace]

Why do you guys even respond to I'mazero23 ???He's obviously immature --its like having an in depth conversation with an 8 yr. old--sure you can do it--but why bother?--if he wants to think that

Whoring out software like mame and mamewah for commercial uses is OKAY

then thats his business--if i was saint or any other admin i would ban him for saying that, as it goes directly against the purpose of this board, but i'm not so I will just ignore him and I suggest you do the same--ignore all his questions, all his replies--soon he will go leech somewhere else.

[subzero23]

I guess
I mean murder is more serious since it actually HURTS people

So taking money away from people doesn't hurt them?

If I took money away from someone that'd be stealing

[FractalWalk]

Please.

[subzero23]

Why do you guys even respond to I'mazero23 ???He's obviously immature --its like having an in depth conversation with an 8 yr. old--sure you can do it--but why bother?--if he wants to think that

Whoring out software like mame and mamewah for commercial uses is OKAY

then thats his business--if i was saint or any other admin i would ban him for saying that, as it goes directly against the purpose of this board, but i'm not so I will just ignore him and I suggest you do the same--ignore all his questions, all his replies--soon he will go leech somewhere else.

No, I'm NOT immature
I have different opinions. I speak about them and argue with them in a civil manner,but other people do NOT respect that
the thought that someone could have different morals and that morals are subjective is totally alien to these people

[Shape D.]

To claim it isn't stealing is the coward's way out.

[subzero23]

"But I won't play the "it's really not stealing"

[subzero23]

It's ridiculous that someone can't have a differing opinion without being called immature

[Shape D.]

No, I'm NOT immature
I have different opinions. I speak about them and argue with them in a civil manner,but other people do NOT respect that
the thought that someone could have different morals and that morals are subjective is totally alien to these people

Morals are subjective, Laws are not, Stealing is against the law. try telling a prosecuter the next time your in court that the law you are being charged with is irellivent because your morals say its ok.

[versapak]

Making money off of software that you have not bought, or otherwise received the license to do so, is STEALING.


We all tread in dangerous waters, in just the use of MAME, but those that go and make money off of it are despicable.

[Shape D.]

We all tread in dangerous waters, in just the use of MAME, but those that go and make money off of it are despicable.

And endangering the hobby in general.

[FractalWalk]

IT SIMPLY ISNT STEALING . . . I never took away anything from anyone

But the point is that you are taking something from someone. You are just defining it in a very direct, narrow manner that is rather simplisitc and naive (no offense intended).

If you own a ROM without paying for it, then you have taken something from someone without their permission.

[subzero23]

You know this is why I say 99% of the internet is retarded, because people take stuff personally. They get mad, they get hateful and they get vengeful too. I bet some of you are looking at my posts and literally saying to yourself "I don't like this guy" or "I hate this guy"

Do you think I get mad when people say stuff about me or have OPINIONS I DONT LIKE? NO cuz I don't take it personally and I don't care.

I'm not even going to discuss moral issues anymore on here because I know some jerkoff will take my opinions personally and report me to the police assuming I've done something I simply have an opinion about.

[subzero23]

No, I'm NOT immature
I have different opinions. I speak about them and argue with them in a civil manner,but other people do NOT respect that
the thought that someone could have different morals and that morals are subjective is totally alien to these people

Morals are subjective, Laws are not, Stealing is against the law. try telling a prosecuter the next time your in court that the law you are being charged with is irellivent because your morals say its ok.

But when did I ever say laws were subjective? I know damn well laws are laws (sometimes made by retarded people but laws none the less) but my opinions don't agree with them. I'm sure most of you wouldn't like or think its right if they had banned violent video games in the 90s

[Shape D.]

But when did I ever say laws were subjective? I know damn well laws are laws (sometimes made by retarded people but laws none the less) but my opinions don't agree with them. I'm sure most of you wouldn't like or think its right if they had banned violent video games in the 90s

here

I don't care about dictionary or law interpretations of "to steal"
there is only one definition for me, to take something away from someone else so that person no longer has it

and here

I never said my thing about stealing because of the legality of rom use
THAT IS HOW I REALLY FEEL

It isn't a coward's way out, IT SIMPLY ISNT STEALING
I never took away anything from anyone
I was never ever going to BUY anything from them either

[subzero23]

But i never denied that something is or isnt against the law

[FractalWalk]

Subzero:

The internet is a terrible medium, on which to discuss. It's difficult to clarify one's argument in a quick post.

[Shape D.]

stealing = against the law
not stealing  = not against the law
saying something isn't stealing = saying its not against the law

[Bones]

subzero, of course you are entitled to your opinions, even if they are shallow in thought and are wrong.

The current laws have been developed and redefined over hundreds of years and although many may not be perfect or somewhat outdated, these laws are the backbone of current society. They are a necessity to protect people and product. It really doesn

[subzero23]

Subzero:

The internet is a terrible medium, on which to discuss. It's difficult to clarify one's argument in a quick post.

[subzero23]

"subzero, of course you are entitled to your opinions, even if they are shallow in thought and are wrong. "

How can opinions be wrong?

"The current laws have been developed and redefined over hundreds of years and although many may not be perfect or somewhat outdated, these laws are the backbone of current society. They are a necessity to protect people and product. It really doesn

[Layer01]

  um........ok.....well this all exploded a little more than i expected. i did mean a legal (i assumed they were legal) bought cabinet, IE: one with a jamma or whatever mobo running whatever game pluged into it. i did not mean a MAME cab as i am fully aware of the implications of emulation.

sorry i was not as specific in my first post as i should have been, but i guess i was running off common sense lol, not that you guys knew what i was thinking, so fair enough if there was some...uh...backlash.
maybe the word "pimping" was not the best choice either but i was just trying to inject humour not confusion.

Thanks for those of you who offered advice,  i did not know about the license thing, is that an american thing? i wonder what we have like it in australia. but anyway its given me a starting point. not that i really want to make a buisness out of renting out cabs, but it would help ease the blow of the initial price of the cab (you know being a poor uni student and all lol)


all those of you dencending into flame war teritory, lets stop this now and let life go on, you may now agree to disagree 

[jarrett]

How can opinions be wrong?

I can probably find an example of an opinion that is based on misinformation, therefore it might be called wrong.

They want to ban stem cell research which is just stupid, for example.

Okay, that's your opinion.  However, the federal government has never attempted to ban stem cell research.  The current administration has limited the public funding of embryonic stem cell research, while funding to many other types of stem cell research remains unrestricted, and no research has been banned.  I'd say it's fair to consider your opinion to be wrong, or at least wholly misinformed.

...It sucks that those laws are so gay for certain things...

Using the word "gay" as a pejorative adjective makes you seem very immature, and I personally find it offensive.

...this is why I say 99% of the internet is retarded...

Please think about joining us in the other one percent before spouting off.

[Mameotron]

Oh yea, you need an operator's lic too.

[MameJunkie]

I don't care about dictionary or law interpretations of "to steal"
there is only one definition for me, to take something away from someone else so that person no longer has it

So by your definition, copying any software is okay since you never take it away from another person.  Everyone is different moral values so if it doesn't bother you, go for it.  But its still stealing even if you define it as not.

[Layer01]

*sigh*
guys maybe this thread should be deleated or closed or whatever, as it seemes that its just degenerating, not to mention going off topic...

[Bones]

*sigh*
guys maybe this thread should be deleated or closed or whatever, as it seemes that its just degenerating, not to mention going off topic...

I say leave it open. Somewhere in here is some important information for others considering the pimping idea who do not know better.

It's all about knowledge.

 

[Layer01]

I say leave it open.

It's all about knowledge.

 

oh i agree, i would like to leave it open too, but maybe a little "cleaning" is in order, you know get back onto the topic, which is how to get your (LEGAL) arcade machine into a public place and earning some income.
those of you who have done this please share your stories, and any tips you may have

[subzero23]

How can opinions be wrong?

I can probably find an example of an opinion that is based on misinformation, therefore it might be called wrong.

They want to ban stem cell research which is just stupid, for example.

Okay, that's your opinion.

[subzero23]

I don't care about dictionary or law interpretations of "to steal"
there is only one definition for me, to take something away from someone else so that person no longer has it

So by your definition, copying any software is okay since you never take it away from another person.

[RayB]

"How can opinions be wrong?" he asked...

Let's say Mr. X says "It's ok to kill anyone I choose to so long as I think they deserved it." How's that for an opinion? And by your logic, that opinion can't be wrong.

Man... since you ARE in college I suggest you take "Moral Philosophy 101". You'll learn actually than many moral rights/wrongs are inherently right or wrong and not subjective. (Look up "Inherent"). There are fundamental truths that have been debated through the ages and the conclusions are always the same. Such as for example the taking of another's life. When discussing moral philosophy beyond the core "truths", one basic thing in determining what is moral or immoral is intent and consequence. That's why our laws are built with varying degrees of penalties. (ie: A lighter sentence of taking a person's life accidentally vs taking their life intentionally).

What it boils down to is that everything has consequences. And everybody's actions ripple far beyond their immediate interactions and surroundings. For example, the popularity of MAME and MAME cabinet building has already had a negative effect on the value of classic arcade machines. That affects real people out there who thought they could refurb and sell these machines. Individually our actions seem insignificant (we don't intend to cause harm), but collectively we've all had an effect (the consequences to our actions). Just remember that. That's all I'm saying in this.

~Ray B.

[subzero23]

heh how funny
I DID take moral philosophy in college
that's where I basically learned to form these opinions
morals are completely subjective

[Bones]

heh how funny
I DID take moral philosophy in college
that's where I basically learned to form these opinions
morals are completely subjective

My 4 year old girl could choose to take Rocket Science, but it doesn't mean she could build a rocket. It wouldn't mean she mastered it or learned anything worthwhile.

Even if her rocket were successful, she would still have to design a navigation system that could navigate its way from Sydney to your anus.

That's why Daddy is going to help her.

[subzero23]

Lol its obvious YOUVe never taken the class
what'd you expect they'd teach me? THat only certain morals are correct? and who is to decide those morals?getreal

[danny_galaga]

this silly argument is solved easily. EVERYONE- insert 'piracy' where the word 'stealing' was being used. now subbie mah man, do you still have the same argument?

[danny_galaga]

My aplogies for hijacking this thread. I now return it to it's correct course... PIMPING.

[subzero23]

this silly argument is solved easily. EVERYONE- insert 'piracy' where the word 'stealing' was being used. now subbie mah man, do you still have the same argument?

ya pretty much

[danny_galaga]

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0330241273/qid=1103780324/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/102-8937982-7253748?v=glance&s=books

[Generic Eric]

*sigh*
guys maybe this thread should be deleated or closed or whatever, as it seemes that its just degenerating, not to mention going off topic...

pimpin aint easy

This is what they (& hoagie 1) meant when the said "pimp'n ain't easy." 
What you should do is ask (or demand, depending on the mood you are in)  everyone that posted OT or may have misinterpreted you to delete their own message volunteraily.  One of the worst cases of thread poisning I have seen in awhile.   Generally, this sort of "off-trackness" is reserved for political threads.

Its the holidays...give this guy a gift and stay on topic....gOD hates ugly!

[Layer01]

hehehe thread poisning, i haven't heard that one before, nice i'll add it to my repetoire   

well in a strange (almost sadistic lol) way i guess i feel somewhat honoured, i mean normally i just ask a question, get a few answers, be lucky to get into multi page answers and then disapear again. at least if nothing else i acheived the dubious title of "guy with crazy flame before christmas thread". oh well it wasnt all in vain i did find out some very interesting stuff...and in an odd way its sort of illustrates what i'd be up against if i were to try and place  a cab in a public place............like you say, pimpin aint easy lol 

well thank you all those who gave actual answers to my question, and to those who flamed, well i hope you got something out of it aswell, after all  tis the season to be jolly traa la la la la laa la la la 

[JoyMonkey]

...and they all lived happily ever after.

The End.

[FractalWalk]

Somehow, I don't think we are going to solve the moral relativism vs moral absolutism debate on the BYOAC board.

However, subzero isn't off the mark in his statements about morals as many of you claim. Although I disagree with him on this particular issue, his opinions on morals certainly aren't unsupported.

[GGKoul]

Sorry for hijacking this thread.  But it's "kids" like SubZero23 that can easily ruin this friendly board.


Getting back to the topic. 

I added 3 "racing" stripes to the sides of my cab.

[hulkster]

i think my cab was born pimp, thus no pimping needed for mine 

[Goz]

I have to admit by the title I was actually hoping it was something along the lines of using EL Tape, LED's and all sorts of BLING BLING.

-Goz

[DrewKaree]

Hydraulics.

Every pimped out cab requires hydraulics.

Anything less is to ridicule pimping in general, and deserves a pimp-slap

Shut yo mouf biotch!  SLAAAAAP!

[Pacific Ripper]

That's what you kids call MOD'ing nowadays? Well, I plan to make my cab partially see-thru with custom neon lamps, a car amp, subwoofer, sound deadening enclosure for the hard drive, some fuzzy dice, an animated side art of flames, a chrome silhouette of a reclining woman like on a truck mud flap, and maybe a racing stripe or two.

[JoyMonkey]

That's what you kids call MOD'ing nowadays? Well, I plan to make my cab partially see-thru with custom neon lamps, a car amp, subwoofer, sound deadening enclosure for the hard drive, some fuzzy dice, an animated side art of flames, a chrome silhouette of a reclining woman like on a truck mud flap, and maybe a racing stripe or two.

Ooh! Sounds classy! You'll probably need some kind of nitrogen cooling system in there too 

[Pacific Ripper]

Good idea... so that I can keep beer in it for that drunken gaming fun.

[Shape D.]

Nothings better than drinking and playing driving games.

[jeelani]

what about putting a console (like a ps2) in a cab and setting it up for commercial use?  would that violate and laws?

[SeaMonkey]

Purple marble contact paper, with gold trim. It could also have purple zebra stripes, or leapard skin. Pompom trim on the bezel.
It MUST be a gun cab.
The trackball should either be an 8Ball (Get it?) or be replaced with a 40mm cat's eye sphere.

Steeringwheel should be made of chain welded in a circle.
Ashtray with two pits.
Fake seat bottom.
Lots of fur.
Horn that honks "Funky Town".
Dip switches should be set to either take your money with no play, or to just kick your ass.

On the topic though...what if you own a pile of ROM's?
I mean, if you run a game that you own, is that stealing?

I have never played the operator side of this game, so I am just asking. (Most of my stuff has original boards in it.)

[Shape D.]

what about putting a console (like a ps2) in a cab and setting it up for commercial use?  would that violate and laws?

yes.
<edit>Thats if you're charging people to play it. If your not then you should be fine if it's not the reason people are coming into the "buisness".  but im not a lawyer.<edit>

[SeaMonkey]

All user licenses for console games say right in the manual, that it if for personal entertainment only.

Same for StarROMs.

[Shape D.]

I'd trust him, I don't read manuals.

[FractalWalk]

Thats if you're charging people to play it. If your not then you should be fine if it's not the reason people are coming into the "buisness".

[subzero23]

Somehow, I don't think we are going to solve the moral relativism vs moral absolutism debate on the BYOAC board.

However, subzero isn't off the mark in his statements about morals as many of you claim. Although I disagree with him on this particular issue, his opinions on morals certainly aren't unsupported.

Thank you
I respect your difference of opinion and can see where you all come from

[subzero23]

Sorry for hijacking this thread.

[danny_galaga]

i'm just perturbed by your denial of a simple definition like 'piracy'. in the normal course of a discussion it doesn't help if people say 'i'm right because MY definition is different to yours'. you have to agree on that at least to have a discussion. that' why i suggested 'piracy' instead of stealing.

[subzero23]

I'm not sure I understand what you mean but this is my thinking/reasonining/meaning

piracy which is a better term, is accurate I suppose, well actually xeroxing is probably a better term..but my meaning/thinking is that this "piracy" or "Xeroxing" is not morally wrong

[Bones]

i'm just perturbed by your denial of a simple definition like 'piracy'. in the normal course of a discussion it doesn't help if people say 'i'm right because MY definition is different to yours'. you have to agree on that at least to have a discussion. that' why i suggested 'piracy' instead of stealing.

Save your breath danny. Good intentions and intelligent debate with this member result in split second immature reactions that display his true IQ. Like when you take a dummy away from a 1 year old. Soon nobody will give him the time of day, problem is he is too thick to ever understand why, or to learn from it, or to better himself.

Don

[subzero23]

You're calling ME childish? I'm not the one that insulted people
calling me a kid for having a different opinion is ridiculous

[danny_galaga]

I don't care about dictionary or law interpretations of "to steal"
there is only one definition for me, to take something away from someone else so that person no longer has it

sorry bones, cant walk away now!

[Bones]

I don't care about dictionary or law interpretations of "to steal"
there is only one definition for me, to take something away from someone else so that person no longer has it

sorry bones, cant walk away now!

It's like that Simpsons episode with the giant donut guy and all the monsters. Turn your back and he will shrivel and die without the attention.

[subzero23]

Oh what, are you comparing me to a forum troll now??

[danny_galaga]

"So if I take Saint's book, make a hundred copies and sell it to people on this board for $10 a pop, I'm not stealing right? "

Well at its core, no you're not stealing.
Were those people originally going to buy the book? If so, maybe.. although if they never ever planned on buying it then no not stealing.

this is an example of piracy. as you say, your morals tell you there is nothing wrong with it, many other people might feel bad about it. i'm sure even con-men sometimes feel a pang of remorse every now and then...

[jeelani]

I'm not sure I understand what you mean but this is my thinking/reasonining/meaning

piracy which is a better term, is accurate I suppose, well actually xeroxing is probably a better term..but my meaning/thinking is that this "piracy" or "Xeroxing" is not morally wrong

I agree with you that the use of emulators and roms, even for commercial reasons is not morally wrong.  Even if it is morally right, like you say piracy is, it is still illegal and you can do nothing about it so drop the case, you are never going to win and it is pointless to argue.

[danny_galaga]

heh how funny
I DID take moral philosophy in college
that's where I basically learned to form these opinions
morals are completely subjective

My 4 year old girl could choose to take Rocket Science, but it doesn't mean she could build a rocket. It wouldn't mean she mastered it or learned anything worthwhile.

Even if her rocket were successful, she would still have to design a navigation system that could navigate its way from Sydney to your anus.

That's why Daddy is going to help her.

LOL 

[danny_galaga]

Subzero:

The internet is a terrible medium, on which to discuss. It's difficult to clarify one's argument in a quick post.

[subzero23]

I'm not sure I understand what you mean but this is my thinking/reasonining/meaning

piracy which is a better term, is accurate I suppose, well actually xeroxing is probably a better term..but my meaning/thinking is that this "piracy" or "Xeroxing" is not morally wrong

I agree with you that the use of emulators and roms, even for commercial reasons is not morally wrong.

[danny_galaga]

I'm not sure I understand what you mean but this is my thinking/reasonining/meaning

piracy which is a better term, is accurate I suppose, well actually xeroxing is probably a better term..but my meaning/thinking is that this "piracy" or "Xeroxing" is not morally wrong

I agree with you that the use of emulators and roms, even for commercial reasons is not morally wrong.

[sirwoogie]

Sorry, but I'm locking this thread. Unfortunately, there are about 5 posts of value and a remainder of useless tripe.