I'm not sure if these are the sticks you guy's are talking about, but I got these about 1.5 years ago before I even knew about this board. I think they are 4 / 8 way, and I have changed one over to 4-way, but don't notice any difference. Apart from that, they actually seem like a nice stick. Noisy out of the box, but once in the CP, I don't notice any noise.