Author Topic: Photoshop tutorial? (Read 11946 times)

CD_Vision · « **on:** September 29, 2002, 12:07:28 am »

Can someone please put together a tutorial on how to make stuff like this in Photoshop:
http://www.leafstation.com/images/ms2images/artwork/l-control-panel-preview.jpg
I just got PS7 and I have no training with this at all. Please show me how to use this program, this artwork is so awesome!!

JustMichael · « **Reply #1 on:** September 29, 2002, 01:25:56 am »

I would suggest learning how to draw first. Then I would suggest going to a search engine like Google and typing in "photoshop tutorial".

CthulhuLuke · « **Reply #2 on:** September 29, 2002, 01:31:25 am »

Well what I'm pretty sure he did on that specific piece was first of all for the background put a layer over that that was about 50% or so transparent of scanlines. I think www.photoshopcafe.com has a tutorial on how to add scanlines. Then he added that redish tint to it and maybe blurred it a little. Then he took images from some site, I think gamegen.com has a collection of cvs2 images, and he placed them on new layers in front of the background. Then in the very front he put a new layer of Text, I have no idea what kinda type he used, but he put that down, then he used a border type on the text to make it look shadowed like that. For specific details you'd probably have to ask him about that one. The hexagon cut out was just a finished picture with the edges cut out/or a white layer over the previous layers that has white where the edges are.
-I'm sure there's a hundred times better tutorials online, so you could just check google or something, but that's just a general idea of how he did that specific piece.
-CthulhuLuke
btw, I might be more helpful once I'm on my own computer and can put together a better tutorial or something. Good Luck!

SNAAAKE · « **Reply #3 on:** September 29, 2002, 02:24:26 am »

Okay first you take a background file then add some cool people in there and thats it

Just play around with the software and you will come out with an artwork in no time.

Luck luck

1UP · « **Reply #4 on:** September 29, 2002, 04:05:36 am »

Photoshop comes with help files. Use them. Best way to learn is just to start a project, and search the help when you get stuck. That's how I got in the special effects biz...

Xiaou2 · « **Reply #5 on:** September 29, 2002, 05:57:42 am »

I learned a lot for this site:

www.vtco.com

Virtual Training Company.

The cd's are the best.. I had got one used off of ebay for Painter... and it was the most informative and painless way to learn it.

You can also pay the a monthly fee ( I think 25$) to get the online versions. (you will need a good speed connection for this tho, or to be very patient

1UP · « **Reply #6 on:** September 29, 2002, 07:17:11 am »

All you need to know is masking, how to work with layers, and maybe how to adjust hue and levels. These are real simple to learn from the searchable online help.

rampy · « **Reply #7 on:** September 29, 2002, 09:45:17 am »

By day (when I'm not posting on BYOAC =) ) I'm a tagger/web jockey.. and artistically I'm not super creative, but for my afore mentioned job I still need to make pretty pictures...

I learned alot of the basics (and made cool pics at the same time) by flipping through
Photoshop 7 Down & Dirty Tricks
by Scott Kelby (actually I have photoshop 6 down and dirty tricks, but it's basically the same save for new features/keystroke shortcuts)

Anyways... what I usually do is flip through that book for either an idea or technique and use or adapt his step by step methods to suit my needs. Maybe a local library has a copy you could take out.

I know in the PS 6 book it has a technique for scanlines (which is easy to do) and for making a collage (which is what shlopping a bunch of different images into one "scene" is called I think)

anyhow good luck... you probably could do just as well with some practice, time, and some google searches... but sometimes a hardcopy is easier to work from.

Rampy

Analog-X · « **Reply #8 on:** September 29, 2002, 12:34:54 pm »

Buy "PhotoShop for Dummies" its an awesome book that teaches you the basics and lets you take a bit of control over Photoshop the beast that it is.

Once you've mastered the basics you can look up tutorials online.

I've found that most online tutorials expect you to know at least the basics. If you dont, you will find that your end results wont be like what was explained in the tutorial as you will endup missing/skipping parts.

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #9 on:** September 29, 2002, 04:57:07 pm »

All of you guys are wrong, I hate to say... The only way to learn photoshop is to practice. Now granted books and tutorials will help a great deal, but if you don't have any prior image manipulation experience or even worse, no artistic talent, it's going to be quite a while before you can produce anything acceptable. That particular graphic you linked to was much more difficult to make than it appears. I can tell by looking at it that various filters, color balance tweaking and an overlay were involved. Photoshop 7's tutorials are located in the help section of the menu. There aren't any included because they are all online. Use those as a start but don't expect to be chucking out the graphics for at least a few weeks.

Xiaou2 · « **Reply #10 on:** September 29, 2002, 05:31:41 pm »

Quote from: Howard_Casto on September 29, 2002, 04:57:07 pm

All of you guys are wrong, I hate to say... The only way to learn photoshop is to practice.

Ummm ... No, Im NOT wrong. I did learn photoshop by watching the VTC tutorial videos. In fact, I learned most of photoshop in less than a week.

I tried books before.. but it didnt sink in. Watching someone do the things onscreen really makes a greater impact, than other form of learning. (monkey see, monkey doo)

There is no way that I could have "Practiced" photoshop without any Prior knowledge. I tried, and it didnt work cause I didnt understand half of what I was looking at.

Obviously, 'AFTER' seeing the options ran, and clrearly explained, I have a much greated understanding of the program. I may not be a photoshop "expert"... no, "THAT" comes with 'practice'. But I do know my way arround now... and can do some really nice stuff.

1UP · « **Reply #11 on:** September 29, 2002, 05:37:25 pm »

Howard's right. It's best just to jump in! That way you learn just the things you really need for a project. Just start browsing the menus, to get a feel for where everything is. Many functions are self-explanitory (image size, blur, rotate, etc). When you find a function that sounds interesting, play with it to see what it does. Look it up in the help to learn more about it. If you need a technique that you can't seem to find in the menus, search the help with appropriate keywords. In my line of work, I do this all the time (don't let the boss see me doing it though!

) I'm considered a pro in my field, but I still don't know everything about Photoshop, since many things were changed in the last version. But I know everything I need for each project, thanks to a quick search of the online help.

I've found tutorials to be mostly a waste of time, since they force you to do someone elses project. Why not learn while you're actually getting some work done on your own project?

SNAAAKE · « **Reply #12 on:** September 30, 2002, 03:46:57 am »

LIKE I SAID

play around and you will learn in no time..i created my art for panel and marque in like 2 days from when i touched paint shop..i never used photo shop as i am too poor to buy it legally...i will just look around for the BLEEEP ! ! !...version.

Xiaou2 · « **Reply #13 on:** September 30, 2002, 04:18:10 am »

Quote from above:

"All of you guys are wrong, I hate to say... The only way to learn photoshop is to practice"
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Im tired of getting Message board Bashed.

Its a prooven FACT that the way everyone learns things is different.

Some learn best from Hearing Information
Some learn best from Seeing the act performed
And yet others learn best from Reading the description.
And theres more.

Its completely Ludicrus to say that 'IM WRONG'... or anyone else that sugjested another form of learning is worng. If we are so wrong... then Why do they sell books on photoshop??? Why are there video training courses??? Why do private teachers even bother???!!!

Some people here who could be considered to be intelects... need to realize that not everyone is/works the same. Also, they need to realize that they arnt always correct... and that thier opinions dont weigh more than others.

If you have a helpfull hint... fine... just drop the
"holier than tho" act!!!

Analog-X · « **Reply #14 on:** September 30, 2002, 07:27:46 am »

Quote from: Howard_Casto on September 29, 2002, 04:57:07 pm

All of you guys are wrong, I hate to say... The only way to learn photoshop is to practice. Now granted books and tutorials will help a great deal, but if you don't have any prior image manipulation experience or even worse, no artistic talent, it's going to be quite a while before you can produce anything acceptable.

You are contradicting and confusing, why dont you calm down and think first before you write?

First : You say that we are all wrong which includes the recommendations for books.

Second: You say that The only way to learn photoshop is to practice

Third: You say books and tutorials will help a great deal

Fourth: You say if you don't have any prior image manipulation experience it's going to be quite a while before you can produce anything acceptable.

Analog-X · « **Reply #15 on:** September 30, 2002, 07:40:12 am »

I dont agree with 1UP.

He said it himself that he is a PRO. It is sometimes hard to remember what it was like to use photoshop for the first time.

Yes!!! in most cases you can simply sit infront of a piece of software browsing the menus and getting a feel for where everything is. But photoshop is not your average software.

If you've never used Photoshop before, the first things you'll probably do is, create a new image, than use the Draw tool to pick colors and draw on the screen and maybe some circles and stuff.

Now you tell me is that realy using Photoshop? no its not!!. But if you've never used PhotoShop before you than at first glance it looks like a usless piece of software with usless little icons and tools.

Keep that in mind and perspective. If you became a PhotoShop Pro without a manual by just playing around with menu options than thats great and I'm happy for you, but not everyone can do that.

bishamon · « **Reply #16 on:** September 30, 2002, 08:02:24 am »

Tutorials don't give you talent but they can be extremely useful for picking up specific tips.

Check out www.thinkdan.com. His tutorials are a good starting place (including scanline effects).

Another interesting place is gimp-savvy.com. This is aimed at users of the fine opensource photoshop clone _The Gimp_ but it has plenty of information useful for any one working with graphics.

Hope that helps.

CD_Vision · « **Reply #17 on:** September 30, 2002, 09:48:35 am »

Looks like I'll have to just learn from scratch. I can't figure out what most of these tools do, so I'll have to get a book. When I make something, I'll put up a how-to for the benefit of people like me.

hyiu · « **Reply #18 on:** September 30, 2002, 12:04:41 pm »

ok.... I would like to put my $0.02 cents of experience here....

I'm NOT an expert... and I only knows several things in Photoshop 6... (sorry... don't have 7...)

now.... I can give you a few tips so that you can start messing around....

first get a few pics... you can find pics on the web with characters.... (preferrably.... those pics that only have 1 character in 1 pic....) find out who you want and download them.... (then also find a background pic....)

then go to photoshop.... create a new file....
and cut and paste the whole background there....
now.... for each character you add on, you'll need to put it in a different layer... (do a Layer-> New->Layer from the top menu)

now... to cut out the character from the background, you can first load the character pic, then use the magic wand tool and it should select the character... (sometimes, it doesn't select the whole character...) then you can select the background, and go to top menu Select -> Inverse... That will select the opposite of what you currently got.... VERY USEFUL !!....

then you cut and paste it on the layer....

and since every character is on a different layer, you can move/modify it easily....

go to here...

http://www.geocities.com/hyiu/pics/Arcade/

click on ps_tutorial.jpg....

it'll show you some of the buttons....

that's basically most of what I know.... and it turns out VERY useful since I can't really draw... but I pastes together what others have done....

(sorry... I'm not much of an artists.... )

hope this helps....

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #19 on:** September 30, 2002, 05:29:54 pm »

Quote from: Xiaou2 on September 29, 2002, 05:31:41 pm

Ummm ... No, Im NOT wrong. I did learn photoshop by watching the VTC tutorial videos. In fact, I learned most of photoshop in less than a week.

There is no way that I could have "Practiced" photoshop without any Prior knowledge. I tried, and it didnt work cause I didnt understand half of what I was looking at.

Someone is extermely sensitive. I'm sorry I hurt your poor feelings.

I stand by my orignal argument, tutorials are great but they only show you how to do one specific thing, and generally, it's so specific that it's pretty much useless for your project. If you would have actually read the rest of my comment I said that the online documentation is a wonderful tool and will help noobs out. The tutorials that photoshop gives you are great and help you. The other ones on the net are pretty much useless unless you are trying to do a very specific thing. You have to actually get your hands dirty and then go to the tutorials when you need them.

Tutorials are completely useless if you aren't at least a little familair with the inteface and the programs functions. The only way to do that is to play with the program. Now if you are saying that you are too dumb to click on a button and see what it does then I truely feel for you and apologize right here.

Have you ever heard the expression... "You can give a man a fish and feed him for a day or teach a man to fish and feed him for life."

In most cases these third-party online tutorials give you a fish. Photoshop practice, aided with the documentation teach you how to fish.

I'm sorry if that offended you, that wasn't the intent. I think you are just pissed because I said you were wrong.

Your not wrong, your just giving what I would consider bad advice, which is the same thing in my book. It's just typing "wrong" is shorter than "bad advice".

SNAAAKE · « **Reply #20 on:** September 30, 2002, 05:41:14 pm »

Howard,
You wanna stop being an --I'm attempting to get by the auto-censor and should be beaten after I re-read the rules-- for once in a while maybe?
Telling everyone that they are wrong

.Take no offence but everyone is just posting their opinion on how they learned to create art work and stuff...WHY be an --I'm attempting to get by the auto-censor and should be beaten after I re-read the rules-- when you dont have be one?

However,I agree with the fact that tutorials are very useless.They dont ever come in handy when I am trying to make some CP overlay.My $0.03 opinion.

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #21 on:** September 30, 2002, 06:06:32 pm »

Your funny snaake. I gave up on you a long time ago, that's why I generally ignore any of your posts.

He attacked me because he didn't agree with my wording, not my opinion. As the others mentioned he's changed his story like 5 times. I insulted him back, that's how it works. You don't pull the punk

card on me and expect not to get flamed.

Now of course if you talk to me in a intelligent manner without insults and slurs then you will be treated with the same courtesy.

So to make a longe story short I'm not an --I'm attempting to get by the auto-censor and should be beaten after I re-read the rules-- as you put it, I just don't take crap. If you are flamed by me then you deserve it.

My wording was bad on that orignal post, but since he had to be an --I'm attempting to get by the auto-censor and should be beaten after I re-read the rules-- about it I just replied with the same childish insults, but I actually kept my story straight and put some nice advice in there.

Xiaou2 · « **Reply #22 on:** September 30, 2002, 06:38:23 pm »

Ummm ... No, Im NOT wrong. I did learn photoshop by watching the VTC tutorial videos. In fact, I learned most of photoshop in less than a week.

There is no way that I could have "Practiced" photoshop without any Prior knowledge. I tried, and it didnt work cause I didnt understand half of what I was looking at.

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Someone is extermely sensitive. I'm sorry I hurt your poor feelings.

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Im not the only one who is tired of your overbearing nature, and holier than tho attitude.

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I stand by my orignal argument, tutorials are great but they only show you how to do one specific thing, and generally, it's so specific that it's pretty much useless for your project. If you would have actually read the rest of my comment I said that the online documentation is a wonderful tool and will help noobs out. The tutorials that photoshop gives you are great and help you. The other ones on the net are pretty much useless unless you are trying to do a very specific thing. You have to actually get your hands dirty and then go to the tutorials when you need them.

Tutorials are completely useless if you aren't at least a little familair with the inteface and the programs functions. The only way to do that is to play with the program. Now if you are saying that you are too dumb to click on a button and see what it does then I truely feel for you and apologize right here.
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First off... the issue isnt my intelligence. Also, this is another form of bashing thats not welcome on these boards. Its not constructive nor helpful. Its also childish.

I may not be the brightest lightbulb... but at least Im nice to people... wich is more than I can say for you. I honestly dont think you really care to help others... rather, you use this place as some sort of ego booster.

Photoshop is not the most easy program to click and see what happens. There are MANY of us dumb a$$es all over the world who need assistence. We arnt geniuses like yourself. Though, funny enough, Ive met people with your simular attitude, that 'THOGHT' they knew photoshop pretty well... only to find out that they hardly scratched the surface.

By using the tutorial videos, I not only learned the interface... I learned many of the complex functions as well. With my new knowledge, I can now experiment and duplicate some projects to get a feel for what the program can do... but without the working knowledge of the program... I wouldnt have stood a chance.
Also noted very well by analog-x's post.

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Have you ever heard the expression... "You can give a man a fish and feed him for a day or teach a man to fish and feed him for life."

In most cases these third-party online tutorials give you a fish. Photoshop practice, aided with the documentation teach you how to fish.
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You are mistaken. I was stating, that to learn the basics of photoshop (INTERFACE AND CONTROLS), you can use alternative means - such as the video instruction... instead of Reading through a manual or helpfile. This is not wrong. You are wrong in saying that. If YOU had read my post... you would see your error.

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I'm sorry if that offended you, that wasn't the intent. I think you are just pissed because I said you were wrong.

Your not wrong, your just giving what I would consider bad advice, which is the same thing in my book. It's just typing "wrong" is shorter than "bad advice".

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Ok, so now Im NOT wrong... yet... at first you said I was wrong. In fact, you said a few people here were wrong. NOW WE ARNT???!!!
I guess thats a CONTRADICTION isnt it??!!!

Also, your OPINION of my or anyone's advice gived you no right to lie and say its "wrong". You can say, that you dont agree... but thats an "OPINION". Did you miss this in 2nd grade or something. Theres IS a HUGE difference between Fact, and Opinion. We all dont revolve arround "PLANET HOWARDS "REVISED" EARTH RULES".

As far as My opinion goes... Whats better? Sitting there playing arround..getting confused, and limited progress with the interface for months... or ... watching a video, and within 6 hours, knowing more about photoshop - inside and out - than most people. Oh... and the video is done by REAL EXPERTS... not these self proclaimed guys who with big egos who THINK they know everything... and treat people who may be less intelligent like doormats...

Finally, I dont accept such a lame --I'm attempting to get by the auto-censor and should be beaten after I re-read the rules-- appology... because not only was it NOT an appology... It was another Insult. Funny enough, though, it was an insult to your own intelligence... and a showing of your finer qualities as a human being.

RECAP:

Fact does not equal OPINION
Howards Opinon is only an opinion. Its not a god drawn law... nor is it a FACT.

Example of an opinion:
'Howard is an --I'm attempting to get by the auto-censor and should be beaten after I re-read the rules--'

Example of a Fact:
'There are many ways one can learn something'

1UP · « **Reply #23 on:** October 01, 2002, 06:30:12 am »

Quote from: Analog-X on September 30, 2002, 07:40:12 am

I dont agree with 1UP.

He said it himself that he is a PRO. It is sometimes hard to remember what it was like to use photoshop for the first time.

I do remember! It was great!

After using Corel PhotoPaint, Dabbler and some other crap sharware progs, Photoshop was a dream! I wasn't always a pro. I became one by learning lots of software on my own, many times without even a manual. It's called experimentation. (Even wrote manuals for some stuff that didn't have them available.) Granted, modern software is often too complex to learn well by just clicking stuff to see what happens. But it's a start, just a crash course to start getting an idea of where things are, and what they sorta do. And many functions are very self explanitory, either by name or by icon.

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Yes!!! in most cases you can simply sit infront of a piece of software browsing the menus and getting a feel for where everything is. But photoshop is not your average software.

The basic functions and icons are common to all paint programs. If you don't even know what a fill bucket looks like, or can't guess what it does, you may be in trouble. I've been playing with paint packages since I was 12 or so, I even wrote my own drawing program in Basic on a C64! So I already knew that the fill bucket fills, the circle icon draws circles, and the paintbrush icon paints. Wow, who'd have guessed!

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If you've never used Photoshop before, the first things you'll probably do is, create a new image, than use the Draw tool to pick colors and draw on the screen and maybe some circles and stuff. Now you tell me is that realy using Photoshop? no its not!!

It's a start.

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If you became a PhotoShop Pro without a manual by just playing around with menu options than thats great and I'm happy for you, but not everyone can do that.

Without tutorials, yes, but without a manual? You missed the part where I recommended consulting the help when you get stuck! I learned it because I RTFM!! But I started out with an idea of what I wanted to do, and used the help files and manual to help me find the right tools to do it, rather than mindlessly following someone else's tutorial.

Getting back to the subject of this post...

Quote from: CD_Vision on September 30, 2002, 09:48:35 am

Looks like I'll have to just learn from scratch. I can't figure out what most of these tools do, so I'll have to get a book. When I make something, I'll put up a how-to for the benefit of people like me.

Get a book? Have you even LOOKED at the help files? Everything you need is right there, and it's SEARCHABLE. At least check 'em out before you spend any more cash. Oh yeah, and check out www.adobe.com. They have a searchable user database and message board to help you find answers to more practical questions.

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #24 on:** October 01, 2002, 07:13:42 am »

You know the search files are really good but I didn't mean to start such a verbal fight over it. I encourage you to check them out as they are bar none your best resource.

Anyway I guess the fact that you would take my words so seriously could be taken as compliment. I'm actually quite flattered that you think so highly of my opinon that it often starts an aggressive argument. Anyway don't take things so seriously. If you have a problem with something I say don't make a federal case about it, (as I will respond if you make it public and rude) my email address is posted talk to me about it. Usually it's just a case of someone taking my comments too literally as it was this time.

Xiaou2 · « **Reply #25 on:** October 01, 2002, 08:15:22 am »

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You know the search files are really good but I didn't mean to start such a verbal fight over it. I encourage you to check them out as they are bar none your best resource.
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Again... "YOU" say they are the "BEST". (WHO ARE YOU!!! GOD!!!) This is your OPINION. A better way to say it may sound something like this... "You may want to check out the helpfiles, as they are a great reasource"
This way, you arnt being as --I'm attempting to get by the auto-censor and should be beaten after I re-read the rules-- and bashing others opinions.

Personally, I dont like helpfiles all that much. They are a pain in the --I'm attempting to get by the auto-censor and should be beaten after I re-read the rules-- with all thier links and sublinks... and they arnt always the best as far as descriptions go. Sometimes, they just scratch the surface. Again, this is purely my opinion... and Im not saying... "Helpfiles suck, and arnt the way to go. Howards WRONG, and dosnt know what he is talking about...." That is how you bash people...and Im not like that.

Obviously, you dont like people who disagree with you... and probably arnt used to it. Most probably just let you shove your opinions down thier throats, because they dont want to go through the 'battle' of Trying to get a point in.

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Anyway I guess the fact that you would take my words so seriously could be taken as compliment. I'm actually quite flattered that you think so highly of my opinon that it often starts an aggressive argument. Anyway don't take things so seriously. If you have a problem with something I say don't make a federal case about it, (as I will respond if you make it public and rude) my email address is posted talk to me about it. Usually it's just a case of someone taking my comments too literally as it was this time.
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Dont be flattered. I could care less about your opinions. Its you attitude I have a problem with.

Consider it like this... everyone has thier own opinions, feelings, problems. While trying to HELP another... some idiot comes along and says 'IM BETTER THAN YOU AND I KNOW MORE THAN YOU AND YOUR OPINIONS SUCK AND YOUR UNINTELLIGENT...SO DONT BOTHER...CAUSE I KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT EVERYTHING'

You have NO right to Bash people here... nor anywhere. You spread negativity. People have enough problems without someone like you telling them that they are worthless and stupid.

You stifle others opinions by not letting anyone have them... and then, you insult them on top of it all. You are one sad dude... to have to abuse people like that.

You say, that you feel sorry for people who have feelings that can be hurt so easily... but thats a cop out. An excuse for your awefull behavior twords others. Its people who dont have feelings... or shut them out who I feel badly for.

Ive had several instances in my life where someone has talked over the top of me, pushed me arround, and made my life a living hell. People like You... who are egotistical and THINK they are always right...and that what they say is SO much important than you... that not only will they not pause to allow for a comment by you... but IF you 'try' to put in a point.. they keep talking over the top... or say that you are wrong at every point. Heck, this one guy even LIED at every chance, just to hear himself 'sound' better than me, and to feel in control. Its so pathetic.

Well, Im not going to sit here without a voice and take the abuse anymore. Nobody should have to. People come here to take a break from the negativity of normal life. They dont need anyone bashing them at every chance... or having thier accomplishments diminished by your negative dark cloud. (post about weather controls were REAL?!!)

And no... IF you attack me or anothers Opinion... I WILL Respond publicly, Just as you have chosen to Publicly belittle them. How you respond, represents the kind of person you really are.

This has NOTHING to do with me taking you comment as too serious. This has to do with you bashing others and be-littleing them. Making them feel as if its pointless to even communicate here... because eveything they say... good old howard will come and tell them they are wrong for having an 'OPINION'. Your like a damn Nazi DICTATOR!

Analog-X · « **Reply #26 on:** October 01, 2002, 08:59:17 am »

I love 1Up, Snaaake, Howard_Cast

I love everybody

Cant we all just get a long?

Just want to say that I was expressing my opinion, no hard feelings taken or given.

Now lets all go and pound on some Buttons and Joysticks

)p( · « **Reply #27 on:** October 01, 2002, 09:42:49 am »

Hehe...lighten up guys

Just to throw my two cents into this discussion...
I like using printed manuals...why although I have two screens and both set a 120hz and could put the manual on the second screen...for me it still feels like more as a strain on my eyes...reading stuff from the screen...or bayme I am just oldfashioned and like to turn paper pages

Peter

Xiaou2 · « **Reply #28 on:** October 01, 2002, 09:50:20 am »

Hey... dont get me wrong. I have luv for evryone. And, Im very forgiving.

But... Nobody is going to tell me that having my own Opinion is Wrong.

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #29 on:** October 01, 2002, 10:49:07 am »

Quote from: Xiaou2 on October 01, 2002, 09:50:20 am

Hey... dont get me wrong. I have luv for evryone. And, Im very forgiving.

But... Nobody is going to tell me that having my own Opinion is Wrong.

Now I don't want to get you mad here but it is you that has the problem. Do you see the Howard_Casto at the top of my posts and the names of everyone else at the top of theirs? That means that unless you point out a specific reference and say "this is a fact bacause" that EVERYTHING here is assumed to be an opinion. I don't have to word my posts all crazy just to please you and so that you can't take it the wrong way.

You are taking what I say the wrong way. Now I would like to go back and make everything I type unoffensive to everyone, but unfortunately it's impossible. You are reading what I type the wrong way and looking at it negatively and nit picking. I suggest before you jump down anyone's throat again you look at the content rather than the wording. I explained before that I worded my fist post wrong (apparently anyway since you got all upset over it even though no one else did) and I'm sorry. You were giving bad advice in my view and I'm sorry that I can't agree with your advice. That isn't any excuse to overreact like you did and you probably will again.

We all have our bad days so I will let this go. I forgive you. Now can you forgive me so that we can move on?

Oh and btw, not to start anything but depending upon how you think there are ways in which there can be a "wrong" opinion. For example, by utilitarain theory any opinion or advice that doesn't get results is considered wrong. When I say an opinion is "wrong" I mean just that... for this particular application I don't believe it will give results desired. You need to look at it that way.

Elkor · « **Reply #30 on:** October 01, 2002, 11:19:59 am »

<Opinion>

wow.

to address the original post: yes there are plenty of online tutorials and a google search on "photoshop tutorial" should turn up quite a bit of hits. However, most of these tutorials are not general knowledge. They more follow the lines of "how do I make a good looking planet in photoshop" or " how do I create a rounded edge on my interface".

This isn't bad, in fact I find I draw a lot of inspiration as to what I really want to do while searching through stuff like this. but it isn't a general how-to, that usually comes from desire to learn and a starting point (which can be either a book, video, class, or poking around. something to give you the ins and outs of the interface). Not everybody learns the same way, and what may be intuitive for some people may not be for others. For me, I found the video tutorials on my photoshop5 disk to be fantastic and they really got me rolling in the right direction.

I happen to agree with 1up and howard in the fact that in order to become really good and do some nifty creative stuff with photoshop (or any other adobe product for that matter) is to play around with it and be just that ....creative.

you don't need to invest hours on end into playing around if you just want to make some directional arrows for your josystics and slap some filters on them though. It all depends on what you want to do. If you had a specific question, like " how do I create a blured background for my CP overlay?" I'm sure anyone (even Howard!) would be glad to help you out but you have to have an idea.

Xiaou, not quite sure why you took this to heart so much. I didn't read it that way and I suspect that this is not really what you are really angry about, but for what it's worth, we (well I at least) agree with you in the respect that this is not a forum for proving how superior one is to somebody else. That would be excedingly rude, but that is not how I took howard's post. My feeling wasy he was trying to give the best advice he had to somebody who wanted to get a general working knowledge of photoshop and his opinion was that the video training would not have helped him if he were in CD_VISION's position. Oh, and as an aside, the photoshop help files are really much better than you avarage windows application help (which, well..... blows). They actually are quite usefull provided you know what it is you are trying to do, check 'em out sometime... you may learn more than you think.

Howard,
btw that last post was quite contrite.... Who are you and what have you done with Howard_Casto?!?!?!?

</Opinion>

Psyklops · « **Reply #31 on:** October 01, 2002, 05:04:31 pm »

Quote from: CD_Vision on September 29, 2002, 12:07:28 am

Can someone please put together a tutorial on how to make stuff like this in Photoshop:
http://www.leafstation.com/images/ms2images/artwork/l-control-panel-preview.jpg
I just got PS7 and I have no training with this at all. Please show me how to use this program, this artwork is so awesome!!

To get back on the original subject of finding tutorials...
I participate in a forum on another website that has a thread on Photoshop tutorials. There is currently 74 links to tutorials available on the web. Here is the link:

http://www.hardforums.com/showthread.php?s=89f9972cebd95f9a089da2f3d25c12a3&threadid=406627

Xiaou2 · « **Reply #32 on:** October 01, 2002, 05:44:53 pm »

You have some Nerve trying to twist everything arround and make me look like Im worng... and that I should be the one appologizing. But then again, your twisted logic is a result of you trying to JUSTIFY your wording.

You are like a little BABY that always wants to get thier way. You say, that you dont have to speak to people NICE, and you wont. So... instead of appologizing, you proceed to make up some stupid twisted logic to SUIT YOUR BEING.

Well, IM not going to take that crap. I live here too... and I dont make up excuses for how I treat others.

You should learn to be more Humble... and more respectfull of others arround you. And instead of cutting people down... might you try some positive encouragement?

First off, the original post, which you admit is wrong, is the problem I have. But, you do not admit why its a problem... and brush it off as nothing.

Saying 'I dont agree' is completely different from 'You are wrong'. Wording is a representation of who you are... and one should hope that you wouldnt want to come accross as some sort of Military Dictator!!!??? (hmm...howard castro?!: )

And no, I dont 'need' to look at it from YOUR way. I look at it from 99% of the populations way... The Truth. The way of a good hearted person. A person who cares and has Respect for others, regardless if I dont agree with thier opinions.

Looking at the post, I got the feeling that the guy hadnt even touched the program before. I, unlike 1up, havnt been messing arround with paint programs all my life... had a tough time with the interface (of course, Howard says that because of this... Im a dumb --I'm attempting to get by the auto-censor and should be beaten after I re-read the rules-- - nice huh?!). So I got some books... they didnt work too well, cause I needed to remember the interface... and I really didnt have to drive to sit there and experiment (lazy). I then got the Video, and Boom, I knew the interface in minutes...as well as the rest of the program and its little known complexities.

In any event, I wasnt recomending a tutorial... rather a video instructional. But, Im wrong for doing that???!!! Why? Because Howard says that the ONLY way for you to learn is to mess arround with the program. Well, that didnt work for me... so I guess Howards wrong?!

I posted what worked for me. I also didnt say, My way works better than Howards way. Because unlike Howard... I dont have a 'RAGING EGO'. And I dont like to bash people. I simply put my helpfull post up... and BAM... IM wrong...!!!??!!!

Well no, Im NOT wrong. As Ive stated... there are many ways to learn. I do agree though, that to get good you have to play with the program extensively... but you Cant do that if you have trouble with the interface, and genrally dont know how the program works.

As Ive stated from the beggining... Im not going to be told Im wrong for putting up an opinion.

And for the record... if video traning didnt Work... then how come they sell so many of them???!!! Ive learned a lot of complex specialized Kungfu from videos... as well windows appz. Ive read some books as well... but they didnt have nearly the effect and impact of the videos.

Elkor · « **Reply #33 on:** October 01, 2002, 07:30:55 pm »

sigh..... this is hopeless. Xiaou, I am fairly confident that absoloutely nobody has any idea why you are so upset. for crissakes, even SNAAAKE shut up and that never happens. I think the only solution is to find howard and use your kungfu.....

-C

SNAAAKE · « **Reply #34 on:** October 02, 2002, 02:13:39 am »

Well...
Howard do need to see some doctor(the guy just disagrees with everything) and get some treatment.I mean no offence but.....

Trust me..I am not the only one who thinks Howard is weird.

rampy · « **Reply #35 on:** October 02, 2002, 09:06:37 am »

Quote from: SNAAAKE on October 02, 2002, 02:13:39 am

Well...
Howard do need to see some doctor(the guy just disagrees with everything) and get some treatment.I mean no offence but.....

Trust me..I am not the only one who thinks Howard is weird.

I think we can all agree that anyone who spends their free time cutting MDF, wiring up control panels, etc.. to create 200 - 400 lb boxes to better relive their arcade playing youth is probably a little on the weird side ( including me )

But it only seems weird to people until they get to play "THAT" game they used to love as a kid in all it's glory.

*shrug*

rampy

Frostillicus · « **Reply #36 on:** October 02, 2002, 08:56:06 pm »

I am a graphic designer

- Photoshop, illustrator, and quark are The Three we all use(and although I love pc's most of the community is still hooked on macintoshes). Anyways - I took 2 three-credit courses just on photoshop alone, and it ain't easy. Fundementals are essential. go to www.tomvanhorn.com for proof.

I say it aint' easy cause to REALLY use the program like it's intended- for high-quality image touch up and manipulation takes some serious know-how. Anyone can just draw some little circles and use the *shudder* paint bucket tool to fill them in.

Unfortunately, just like programmers need nicely structured minds as prerequisites for good coding, photoshop artists need some real drawing/painting skills to be any good. It's all about having a vision of the finished image, set that as the goal, and do whatever you can to accomplish it in the quickest and most efficient way possible.

Maybe paint shop pro might be better for those who dont' want to invest the time to learn photoshop. I also heard there's a photoshop lite or something. Sorry if I come off as snobby, but this program really isn't intended for the casual user. Almost as bad as loading up 3d studio max for the first time and seeing...grey everything. zuh???

Here is how you could duplicate that control panel image:
a.New document , dimensions slightly larger than actual control panel, 300 dpi to ensure excellent printing.
b.Black background, RGB mode.
c. Place image of space ship/sun/etc and set to ~50% opacity.
d. open up images of fighters, and cut and paste into new document
e. place text of 'II' in center, the place text of mamestation on top.
f. rasterize 'II', double click its layer, and add bevel and emboss effects to it
g. do the same with mamestation layer.
now you have a giant overlay which you can print out and cut to the correct sides(the octogonal shape). it's always better to print larger and cut down then to print small and discover it's too tiny.
This is all assuming each image of the fighter is already prepared, or scanned in from artwork in which case it would need to be cleaned up a little. But if it's a picture of say, Ryu, on a black background: the quick and dirty way is to use the magic wand to select the black background, then inverse select Ryu and cut and paste into new doc.
Hope this helps.

Yarb · « **Reply #37 on:** October 02, 2002, 09:59:57 pm »

Back to the subject of learning PhotoShop, I learned from a book called the PhotoShop Bible by Deke McClelland. It is a fantastic book and it covers a lot of tips, tools and techniques. IMHO the way to learn Photoshop is to practice, practice, practice... You will however REQUIRE a good book so you know WHAT to practice. Learning by yourself leads to poor techniques and procedures that are much harder to unlearn than to learn them right in the first place.

Yarb

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #38 on:** October 03, 2002, 12:42:58 pm »

Quote from: Frostillicus on October 02, 2002, 08:56:06 pm

Unfortunately, just like programmers need nicely structured minds as prerequisites for good coding, photoshop artists need some real drawing/painting skills to be any good. It's all about having a vision of the finished image, set that as the goal, and do whatever you can to accomplish it in the quickest and most efficient way possible.

Maybe paint shop pro might be better for those who dont' want to invest the time to learn photoshop.

I actually agree with this completely, it's just considering the flame war that had already errupted I was afraid to say anything in leu of making things worse. A lot of you guys might not realize this but I almost majored in graphic arts. (I went with a cis degree simply because it's more practical.) I took a lot of these art and design type classes and obviously I'm farily good at it or else I wouldn't have went that route.

Photoshops tools are similar to their real life counterparts. In otherwords if you've had any artists training the terms and icons they use make perfect sense. Perhaps that is why some of you find it so intimidating... Personally the functions and their names reminded me of my painting techniques, so it was very easy to pick up. It should also be noted that most people gradguate to photoshop after a few years/months of useing psp. I used psp and another odd ball program of mine for a long time before I used photoshop seriously.

So once again practice is the key, but also experience.

rampy · « **Reply #39 on:** October 03, 2002, 01:13:43 pm »

Besides art classes, a lot of the fundamentals in photoshop come from (duh) photography and the names/effects derive from the "old" manual way of altering photos...

IMHO: There are different levels/tiers of understanding ability for most skills. you don't have to be a brilliant artist (or fully understand basic art/photo concepts) to use photshop... but it sure does help. I'm a bad hack in photoshop (and php scripting) but i learn new tricks and get a little bit better each time I use those skills or try something new. I might never become a PS guru or elite coder/scripter but if I'm able to satisfy my own goals/expectations that's ok (and I meet work deadlines/milestones =)

Cheezy analogy... I'm not a carpenter, but I can use a carpenters tools (that sounds off doesn't it?) I can use a hammer, but I'm more prone to dent the wood, and bend the nails (too bad there's not an edit undo for that).

My point being you can get up to a rudimentary usage of photoshop (although psp is easier for newbs) to accomplish a collage control panel motif... without truly understanding color tertiary colors, tint, hue.. angles etc... (just do what looks good to you... art is interpretive afterall and subjective)

*shrug*

rampy


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