Deleting myself???

[Tiger-Heli]

I still can't post from my Win '98 machine,  If I delete myself from the Profiles and then re-register, what happens to my old posts, threads that I am subscribed to, PM's etc?

Is this likely to help?

Thanks

[Dink]

Well, you will lose eveything if you delete your profile.  I don't think you need to do that.  The problem is on your Win98 machine not this forum.

To solve your problem, try deleting all you arcadecontrols.com cookies set by your browser on the Win98 machine.  It may be corrupted.  Empty your browser cache and history.  When you come back it should make you relog in and it will reset your cookie.

[Tiger-Heli]

Well, you will lose eveything if you delete your profile.  I don't think you need to do that.  The problem is on your Win98 machine not this forum.

To solve your problem, try deleting all you arcadecontrols.com cookies set by your browser on the Win98 machine.  It may be corrupted.  Empty your browser cache and history.  When you come back it should make you relog in and it will reset your cookie.

That's not the problem.  I don't really have any cookies on the machine (which seems odd).

Here's what happens in Netscape (which prompts for cookies).  I try to log in and the computer says it would like to set the two cookies mentioned in one of the threads below.  I click ok and I'm logged in.  I click anywhere else and the computer again says it would like to set the same cookies.  I click okay and I am "guest" again.  Any ideas?

[rampy]

If you were up for it...

could you try the same scenario again on yoru w98 machine... (after cleaning out your cookies etc)  sign in, get the netscape warning... go find the cookies for this site... copy the cookies over to another directory... try to post/click on something... hit ok for the next set of cookies grab those cookies and past them as different file name somewhere...*phew*

Then post both sets of cookies here (be sure to look that there isn't anything in plain text in the cookie that would be sensistive... i doubt it... usually passwords are at least crypt()ed

It's a start anyways... does this happen to other folks using yabbse ?

rampy

[Howard_Casto]

Here's what happens in Netscape (which prompts for cookies).  

That's your problem right there... this board is not netscape compliant... use ie.  

[Tiger-Heli]

Here's what happens in Netscape (which prompts for cookies).  

That's your problem right there... this board is not netscape compliant... use ie.  

Not the problem, the same things happen in IE and Opera too, it's just that Netscape prompts for cookies and the others don't.

Here's something odd:  I tried deleting the cookies.txt file.  Came back to the board, allowed the cookies to be set, opened up the cookies.txt file and ALL the cookies were back (even for sites I hadn't visited since I deleted the file.  Weird.

[Dink]

What version of Netscape?  Do you have two copies of Netscape installed? IE: deleting the wrong cookies.txt?

On the advanced tab, select "Accept all cookies" and uncheck "Warn me before accepting cookies".

If your browser is picking up cookies fom sites you haven't visited you have some other, bigger problems.

[Tiger-Heli]

What version of Netscape?  Do you have two copies of Netscape installed? IE: deleting the wrong cookies.txt?

I think it's 4.75.  (Although I think I had 6 installed and removed it.)  It isn't a matter of deleting the wrong cookies.txt, though, because I deleted the file and then looked at the file that appeared in the same directory as the old file used to be in.

On the advanced tab, select "Accept all cookies" and uncheck "Warn me before accepting cookies".

Yeah, I have "Accept all" selected, and deselecting "Warn Me . . " basically gives Netscape the same permissions I have on Opera and IE, and they don't work either  

If your browser is picking up cookies fom sites you haven't visited you have some other, bigger problems.

I meant sites I haven't visited that session.  Basically, I was on my home page, deleted the cookies file, went here, told it to accept cookies (so I've been to two sites), opened the cookies file and there are cookies from some thirty different sites.  They weren't unfamiliar sites, but they weren't sites I had been to since deleting the cookies.txt file.  Seems weird to me!

[rampy]

oy vey.. you're making my head swim...

Do you have the capability to create different profiles in your version of netscape (i.e. do you have installed the communicator suite, or just netscape?)  

IF you have the one (communicator) where you can create a new profile... do that.  Create a new profile.  That profile will look like a virgin install as far as other sites/cookies/etc are concerned.

I may be wrong... but I'm confused about this deleting of the cookies.txt file... isn't there a cookies folder with all the different cookie files? I don't believe it's just one file (or it means/does something else).

hold on.. I'm gonna try and experiment with 4.77 nutscrape...

rampy

EDIT: doh.. ok it's just one file with netscape... i was wrong... here's my cookie

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www.arcadecontrols.org   FALSE   /   FALSE   1063220350   BYOAC_YaBBSE140usernamev14   rampy

www.arcadecontrols.org   FALSE   /   FALSE   1063220350   BYOAC_YaBBSE140passwordv14   ys4g69z77G.jI

www.arcadecontrols.org   FALSE   /   FALSE   1063220350   expiretime   1063216765


What does yours look like?

[rampy]

I'm guessing you're missing that 3rd cookie with the expiration date on it... I'd bet dollars to donuts that theirs a statement in
 YABBSE that checks the cookie/SESSION_VARS and sees if it's still valid... in your case it looks like it gets expiration date of null or the like
and promptly logs you out...

Any chance of upgrading to a newer version of netscape in the 4.X hiearchy?  Have you tried that new pheonix "slim" version of Mozilla, bTW?

rampy
EDIT Doh.. just read your other thread that says it happens in IE and mozilla on that machine too... I'm puzzled.... do you have some weird software firewall on the 98 machine?

EDIT2: For giggles I deleted the 3rd line in my cookies.txt and close browser and came back in and it made me guest if that helps narrow down the symptoms (cause still unknown)  Does changing the length of the session length in minutes help?  I'm surprised that besides the cookie problem... theres a session issue too, as even if you deleted your cookie you should still stay logged in regardless for and hour or until you close your browser (which ever happens first)

rampy

[Tiger-Heli]

I'm guessing you're missing that 3rd cookie with the expiration date on it... I'd bet dollars to donuts that theirs a statement in
YABBSE that checks the cookie/SESSION_VARS and sees if it's still valid... in your case it looks like it gets expiration date of null or the like
and promptly logs you out...

Sounds logical

EDIT Doh.. just read your other thread that says it happens in IE and mozilla on that machine too... I'm puzzled.... do you have some weird software firewall on the 98 machine?

IE and Opera (not mozilla).  Weird software firewall - Sure, doesn't everyone  .  Seriously, I usually run ZoneAlarm 3.0 Pro.  I run Proxomitron which is a pop-up, advertising, java applet killer under IE and Opera, but not Netscape.  Proxo has a bypass setting and I have tried on all three browsers with the firewall turned off and Proxo bypassed and still can't stay logged in.

EDIT2: For giggles I deleted the 3rd line in my cookies.txt and close browser and came back in and it made me guest if that helps narrow down the symptoms (cause still unknown)  Does changing the length of the session length in minutes help?

No I've tried logging in for "1 hour" and "forever" and it still kicks me out.  Come to think of it though, I think I often am logged in when the page first open and then become guest when I click on a thread, if that helps.

I'm surprised that besides the cookie problem... theres a session issue too, as even if you deleted your cookie you should still stay logged in regardless for and hour or until you close your browser (which ever happens first)

The thing that puzzles me is it's not an isolated issue.  There are several posts below of people having the same problem, but it usually mysteriously fixed itself for them and not for me

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[rampy]

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[rampy]

I'm guessing you're missing that 3rd cookie with the expiration date on it... I'd bet dollars to donuts that theirs a statement in
YABBSE that checks the cookie/SESSION_VARS and sees if it's still valid... in your case it looks like it gets expiration date of null or the like
and promptly logs you out...

Sounds logical

EDIT Doh.. just read your other thread that says it happens in IE and mozilla on that machine too... I'm puzzled.... do you have some weird software firewall on the 98 machine?

IE and Opera (not mozilla).  Weird software firewall - Sure, doesn't everyone  .  Seriously, I usually run ZoneAlarm 3.0 Pro.  I run Proxomitron which is a pop-up, advertising, java applet killer under IE and Opera, but not Netscape.  Proxo has a bypass setting and I have tried on all three browsers with the firewall turned off and Proxo bypassed and still can't stay logged in.

I would bet dollars to donuts proxomitron, even though it isn't supposed is blocking something... probably the session cookie which isn't really like a cookie in the traditional sense... or it's stopping the webserver from getting key information to hold on to a session... i know I am rambling but... in order for the server to know you are you it maintains a small bit of information during your session that uniquely identifies you... browser version, os, IP, referrer and some other stuff.  I'd be proxomitron is making it hard for these temporary sessions to jive...

Anychance you could for a small window of time totally stop proximtron (not just disable/bypass) like task manager kill it... ?

Otherwise I'm outa ideas.

rampy

[Tiger-Heli]

I'm guessing you're missing that 3rd cookie with the expiration date on it... I'd bet dollars to donuts that theirs a statement in
YABBSE that checks the cookie/SESSION_VARS and sees if it's still valid... in your case it looks like it gets expiration date of null or the like
and promptly logs you out...

Sounds logical

EDIT Doh.. just read your other thread that says it happens in IE and mozilla on that machine too... I'm puzzled.... do you have some weird software firewall on the 98 machine?

IE and Opera (not mozilla).  Weird software firewall - Sure, doesn't everyone  .  Seriously, I usually run ZoneAlarm 3.0 Pro.  I run Proxomitron which is a pop-up, advertising, java applet killer under IE and Opera, but not Netscape.  Proxo has a bypass setting and I have tried on all three browsers with the firewall turned off and Proxo bypassed and still can't stay logged in.

I would bet dollars to donuts proxomitron, even though it isn't supposed is blocking something... probably the session cookie which isn't really like a cookie in the traditional sense... or it's stopping the webserver from getting key information to hold on to a session... i know I am rambling but... in order for the server to know you are you it maintains a small bit of information during your session that uniquely identifies you... browser version, os, IP, referrer and some other stuff.  I'd be proxomitron is making it hard for these temporary sessions to jive...

Anychance you could for a small window of time totally stop proximtron (not just disable/bypass) like task manager kill it... ?

Otherwise I'm outa ideas.

rampy

But I already DO NOT USE Proxomitron with Netscape.  I can try with IE (basically I have to change proxy settings so that IE is not looking at Proxomitron.  I'll try that and cookie settings hopefully tonight.

[rampy]

sorry to be thick about that.. I don't really konw proximitron is/does but am inferring what it is/does based on your description and common sense... sorry I'm not getting why it effects IE but not netscape... but would be interested in seeing if that does work for IE or not... or if anything works for you =P

rampy

[Tiger-Heli]

sorry to be thick about that.. I don't really konw proximitron is/does but am inferring what it is/does based on your description and common sense... sorry I'm not getting why it effects IE but not netscape... but would be interested in seeing if that does work for IE or not... or if anything works for you =P

rampy

This is weird.  I'm on the '98 machine in Opera and It is letting me post.  (I started from a clean boot, Dialed straight in, changed Opera to not use the proxomitron settings and didn't start the firewall.

Weird.

Netscape will not load (It's spent ten minutes trying to switch from the main board to the board discussion forum, 56K)

BTW, IE apparently never went through Proxomitron, but I usually had run Proxomitron before I had the problem.

I think I will try to post in IE now, then try with Proxo enabled and see what happens from there.  If you don't hear from me til tomorrow, it didn't work.

[Tiger-Heli]

Hmmmn,  IE seems to be working now too, but Opera never refreshed after my first post above.  I can read the post here, but Opera still has the buttons showing for posting, etc.  Strange!!!

[Tiger-Heli]

Back in Opera, I click back and refresh and it picked up both the first Opera post and the IE post

Edit 1: Posting worked normal in Opera this time.

Edit 2: Now in Opera with Proxo running, still seems to be working (Opera is not running through Proxo, though)

Edit 3: NOW IN OPERA WITH OPERA RUNNING THROUGH PROXO.  Still working.  THis is weird, cool, but weird.

Edit 4:  Ok, I knew it was too good to last, I started ZoneAlarm 3.0 Pro and I became Guest when I tried to post.  Killed ZA Pro, and am Posting.  It looks like either ZA or ZA with Proxo running is the culprit.

I could've sworn I tried without it before, but maybe not.  Anyway....

At least I have a workaround.  Thanks for the help!!!

[Tiger-Heli]

Okay, I'm using the Win98 machine again.  Everything seems to be peachy as long as ZoneAlarm Pro 3.0 is not running (firewall).

I would prefer not to have to stop and start it each session, though.  I tried entering www.arcadecontrols.org into the "Trusted Zones" for ZA and ZA said it "Couldn't find it".  Then I opened TweakMaster and found the IP address of www.arcadecontrols.org was 64.38.102.126 and entered that and ZA accepted it, but I still become guest whenever I click on a message.

EDIT:  FWIW, I also set the trusted zone security to LOW (Firewall is off), and rebooted, and I still get kicked off if ZA is running.

Any ideas?