Konami 4-player cabs (TMNT, Simpsons, Sunset Riders, X-Men, etc)

[paigeoliver]

I just picked up a 4 player Konami cabinet (TMNT, painted black, converted to Neo Geo).

This is going to be my horizontal Mame cabinet (I actually don't own a horizontal mame cabinet, although I have built plenty of them for other people.

Who here has used that cabinet? Any links to your pages about that cabinet? Your control panel layouts for that cabinet.

I will be using an Athlon 1200, Jpac and the new version of arcadevga.

I have the following controls available.

8-way sticks
4-way sticks
top fire sticks
spinner
3" trackball

I don't  want a 4-player layout, as it just wouldn't get used enough.

[pointdablame]

I have an Xmen cab right now that will be my MAME machine, but it isn't complete so unfortunately I probably won't be much help to you.  The CP is a great size though, I'm planning a 2p setup with trackball and spinner in the center.  I might throw a 4way next to the 2p 8way as well.

Sorry I can't be more help, but good grab on the cab.  I really think it'll make a great MAME machine.  Now I just need to find a nice cab for a classic vertical machine heh.....

EDIT: one other thing, I found myself really tempted to throw a ton of controls on there, like dual joys for both players, maybe a top fire on one of em, etc etc... it just seems like such a big panel that it can turn into a frankenpanel really quick.  I've seen a bunch of your layouts before and am pretty sure you can control yourself heh, but just wanted to mention it.  I printed out some full size templates for ideas, and simpler really looks better.  Of course, you seem to feel the same way, but thought I'd mention it anyway.

[paigeoliver]

Yeah, I did a buy it now on ebay. I had planned on grabbing a 4 player or deluxe 2 player cab at the st. louis auction saturday, but the selection of them was small and the pricing not too hot either. Plus I really wanted this "Pro Tennis" (Pong) game, and didn't want to make 2 trips home.

So, I searched ebay, saw a $400 local buy it now on a "Dedicated Neo Geo" and noticed that it was a 4 player Konami cab, then noticed it came with 8 Neo carts too, so I did the buy it now.

The good news.

It also had a TMNT board and pretty much the complete TMNT harness inside. Thought I was pulling ONE hundred dollar board out of the cab, instead it was two.

Everything works on the cabinet.

It has TMNT sideart under the paint.

THE BAD NEWS

My truck broke down on the way home with it. Worst time to have a breakdown is when you have a $400 cabinet in the back of your truck, the cab is made of particle board, and it is supposed to rain last night. I finally managed to get someone to tow me home with a tow strap after a couple hours.

The TMNT sideart is unsalvagable, as it is faded to shades of blue and white (or the paint over it did that too it).

It needs a complete cosmetic overhaul. It was painted black with a spray can (which looks REAL BAD on a cab). The control panel is a Turtles in Time panel with the holes filled, painted black with much of the black paint rubbed off, with a way too small neo geo overlay in the middle.

[Evil Otto]

Hello,

I have a working TMNT 4-player Konami cab.  I think everything is still original and complete.  It is just sitting in my basement.  I planned on using it for Mame, but I haven't touched it yet.  If you need any info on the original cab, I will try and assist.  Feel free to email or whatever.

Good luck

[wakerlet]

Paige,

I have a former Konami Main Event cab that has been converted to MAME.  Not sure if it's the same size as the TMNT cab.  Looks about the same on KLOV though.  I can post pictures if you would like.

-Todd

[wakerlet]

Okay I'll post them anyway

[wakerlet]

one more

[GGKoul]

Do you need any sideart?   I have some Simpsons Side Art For Sale if your interested.

http://www.arcadecontrols.org/yabbse/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=25791

[pointdablame]

If you do want sideart, I have taken a ton of pics of my Xmen sideart in hopes of vectorizing it one day and having it reprinted.  The art has seen better days, and at least from the start, I'll be removing it when I convert it to my MAME machine.

If you ever need em, let me know.

[Jakobud]

wakerlet that shape is 'similar' but not the same.  The shape of the side panels directly below the control panel is different and there is a sort of 'base' on yours that isn't on the others.

[pointdablame]

yeah, I'm not sure off hand exactly what cab that is, but it's definitely not a TMNT/Xmen cab.

Sorry for the crappy pic... camera phone.

[froggerman]

Here is the CP layout I am planning for my TMNT cabinet. I have tried to resist the urge to create a Frankenpanel.
I would be interested in any comments or suggestion you might have.

[pointdablame]

I would get rid of those 4 admin buttons and use shift functions if your encoder supports it.  I'd also think of putting the 4 way next to the 2p 8way, or get a 4/8 way switchabel.  I just don't like a lot of clutter though, so take that into account.

I also prefer the 7 button layout with the neogeo/4 button layout on the bottom:

         xxx
         xxx
       x

Something like that, but that's really just personal preference.  Overall, you're layout looks pretty good, and mine is probably going to be similar, only with the changes I mentioned.

[paigeoliver]

Here is the CP layout I am planning for my TMNT cabinet. I have tried to resist the urge to create a Frankenpanel.
I would be interested in any comments or suggestion you might have.

Hmmm. I could use this with very little modification.

Drop the 2 mouse buttons.

Drop all the admin buttons.

Switch that 4-way for a top fire.

Drop those 7th buttons.

I don't NEED the 4-way as I have a dedicated 4-way cabinet already.

I don't like the 7th button. Swapping in that top fire does 2 things. Enables Tron, snake pit, and similar games, and basically adds a 3rd player station. Enabling 3 players in 8-way games.

I'll probably use your layout with my modifications. Thanks for posting it.

[paigeoliver]

Do you need any sideart?   I have some Simpsons Side Art For Sale if your interested.

http://www.arcadecontrols.org/yabbse/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=25791

I see Simpsons Bowling, but not Simpsons.

If it is Simpsons then how much do you want for it?

If it is Simpsons Bowling then how big is it?

[AmericanDemon]

Its SImpsons bowling.  He wants more than 20 for it.  

[paigeoliver]

Ok, I think I'll stay with my plan of using XMEN: COTA artwork since I have the marquee, sideart and a generic capcom overlay.

[GGKoul]

Its SImpsons bowling.  He wants more than 20 for it.  

No I'll take $20 for the set plus shipping.  Paige, do you want to trade anything?

[paigeoliver]

Ok, then how BIG is that Simpsons bowling set?

[paigeoliver]

Ok, I messed around with the above layout and came up with this.

I MIGHT not have enough inputs to pull it off though, as I am using a Jpac and a PS trackball as my input sources.

[cdbrown]

Do you play 4-way games with right hand on the joystick?  If so then the layout looks good, hopefully P2 joy doesn't interfere much with the spinner which with your wealth of experience I'm sure it won't.

[GGKoul]

Ok, then how BIG is that Simpsons bowling set?

I measure it up tomorrow evening.

[paigeoliver]

Do you play 4-way games with right hand on the joystick?  If so then the layout looks good, hopefully P2 joy doesn't interfere much with the spinner which with your wealth of experience I'm sure it won't.

I won't install ANYTHING that interferes with anything else. This looks good on paper, now to see how good it looks on cardboard.

My arcadevga came today!

Also looks like I am two or three inputs short of being able to realize that panel (assuming of course that the 4-way is the same stick as one of the others). Which means I'll have to use more than one encoder, or drop something here.

[paigeoliver]

Oh, and I am leaving off the Neo Geo button because I already have a Neo Geo (that is actually far nicer than this cab ever will be), and would rather play my Neo Geo games there.

[pointdablame]

Oh, and I am leaving off the Neo Geo button because I already have a Neo Geo (that is actually far nicer than this cab ever will be), and would rather play my Neo Geo games there.

Well thats a damn good reason to drop it then  Hopefully I'll be able to get a real NeoGeo one day, but until then, at least that extra button on my MAME machine will be a bit more authentic heh

[enchntr]

I have the same type of cabinet which I MAMEd.  Now, I don't have the layout, so I'll bore people with an image of the cab:



Pretty similar to what is documented here, but a couple of differences.  It all works out.

Ed

[froggerman]

Paige, a couple of questions. Why did you drop the mouse buttons? I am just curious, are they of little or no use? When you use that 6 button configuration do you use:

123            456
456    or     123

Although I have 7 buttons in my layout I was only planning on having 6 configured:

1234
456

The admin buttons were in question for me too. Dropping them does clean it up a bit more. I gather you have no problem with the joystick in the centre being too close to the monitor.

By the way I have the original Visio file if you what to use it. You can print it out full size and see how things feel.

[paigeoliver]

I didn't DROP the mouse buttons, I simply put them in an unexpected spot. The 3 start buttons are the three mouse buttons.

Is there anything free that can print these visio files?

[paigeoliver]

I have decided that I am going to make sure my control panel completely terminates in a JAMMA harness, and I'll use the non-edge connector inputs on the JPAC for the coin door and such.

That way I can EASILY implement swappable panels. Like a 4-player panel, a music game panel, etc, etc.

[Wade]

That panel sketch doesn't look deep enough.  I think the TMNT panel is more like 13" deep and that one couldn't even be 12, judging by the trackball plate which is about 6" IIRC.

Also, those buttons and joys have to be in from the edges more, after all your panel is going to have sides and a front on it, right?  Figure 5/8" or 3/4" extra space around the edges.

I'm sure there are plenty of other ways, but I just used 2 of the buttons for the player 1 joy as the 2 mouse buttons.  Since it is very rare that I use Windows anyway, this works perfectly.  I just don't see the purpose to having the extra buttons for the mouse. ?

This is (arguably) the best type of cabinet for Mame because it offers so much flexibility with a large horizontal monitor, and also good visibility for 2 or more players.

Wade

[Will]

I have one of these cabs as well.Im currently in the middle of project and getting ready to paint.Konami sure did make alot of these cabinets.Pretty happy with cabinet so far but I wish it was made of mdf instead of particle board.The angle of the monitor is great and so far has been a great first mame project for me.

[paigeoliver]

The only thing that keeps me from using some of the player one buttons as mouse buttons is that you can't map mouse buttons in most console emulators. I usually map them to the start buttons for that reason.

[AlanS17]

Ok I totally jumped on this thread all late. I have a TMNT cab that's still gutted. Haven't had the chance to do anything with it, though. It'll fit a 25" monitor, but a 27" won't fit with the frame (by the looks of it). I have a 27" so I'm partially screwed when it comes time to build that thing... Oh well! I'll make a wooden frame or something...

[paigeoliver]

Ok I totally jumped on this thread all late. I have a TMNT cab that's still gutted. Haven't had the chance to do anything with it, though. It'll fit a 25" monitor, but a 27" won't fit with the frame (by the looks of it). I have a 27" so I'm partially screwed when it comes time to build that thing... Oh well! I'll make a wooden frame or something...

A 27" should fit, there are a good two inches either side of the frame in mine.

[froggerman]

That panel sketch doesn't look deep enough.  I think the TMNT panel is more like 13" deep and that one couldn't even be 12, judging by the trackball plate which is about 6" IIRC.

Also, those buttons and joys have to be in from the edges more, after all your panel is going to have sides and a front on it, right?  Figure 5/8" or 3/4" extra space around the edges.

I'm sure there are plenty of other ways, but I just used 2 of the buttons for the player 1 joy as the 2 mouse buttons.  Since it is very rare that I use Windows anyway, this works perfectly.  I just don't see the purpose to having the extra buttons for the mouse. ?

This is (arguably) the best type of cabinet for Mame because it offers so much flexibility with a large horizontal monitor, and also good visibility for 2 or more players.

Wade

The sketch is actually of the base or the box that the control panel sits on not the actual control panel itself so there is a lot of room around the outside. The only area that the controls can extend a bit is a the top in the middle as the base has a cutout in this area. Note that there are 3/4" square blocks in each corner if the sketch, these are the corner supports for the base. Who ever had my machine before me didn't think about them and cut away about 1/2 of one putting a button in.

[froggerman]

I didn't DROP the mouse buttons, I simply put them in an unexpected spot. The 3 start buttons are the three mouse buttons.

Is there anything free that can print these visio files?

I see. I have a Mini-Pac and it only has 2 mouse buttons so I was going to use those three buttons as Player 1 buttons. I guess I could use the first 2 as mouse buttons and then add a third. I only put the third button there for Tutankham, as I was thinking of the stick to the left as a 4-way.

On you layout which buttons would you use with the 4-way on the right side?

[krick]

Ok I totally jumped on this thread all late. I have a TMNT cab that's still gutted. Haven't had the chance to do anything with it, though. It'll fit a 25" monitor, but a 27" won't fit with the frame (by the looks of it). I have a 27" so I'm partially screwed when it comes time to build that thing... Oh well! I'll make a wooden frame or something...

Just for reference...

A 25 inch arcade monitor with frame is about 23.0 inches wide.
A 27 inch arcade monitor with frame is about 24.5 inches wide.
A 33 inch arcade monitor with frame is about 28.5 inches wide.

[paigeoliver]

Ok, i cut a new panel out of an old Pac-Man back door. Someone must have broken into my apartment and put the pac-man back door in there, I found it between the fridge and the wall. I don't own a Pac-Man cab, I haven't owned one for 3 years, and when I did own one it had a black door, and the door went in the dumpster along with the rest of the damaged, falling apart cabinet. So I have no idea where this yellow Pac-Door came from.

Ok, in doing some test beavage it was obvious that is just doesn't work right with the 4-way in the location I was going to put it. I would either have to lose the mostly symetrical layout, or lose the top fire.

I thought of a zillion ideas before I realized that I had already bought a t-stick plus from 1UP in a bulk buy and it should be here ANY DAY NOW!

Whee! That can go in the player one slot. Problem SOLVED!