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civic83

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anyone have any pin parts?
« on: October 18, 2004, 11:22:59 pm »
Does anyone here have a lamp/solenoid driver board for a gottlieb system 80 pinball machine that they want to part with?

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Re:anyone have any pin parts?
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2004, 10:27:07 am »
Is yours shot?  You can go here:

http://www.bigdaddy-enterprises.com

To buy a bunch of components for it and rebuild it yourself.

If you're missing it.... well.... pbresource.com I'd guess.

What game?

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Re:anyone have any pin parts?
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2004, 01:29:35 pm »
thanks for the link, lots of good stuff there.  the machine I have is a system 80b "spring break" machine, it needs some tlc, as none of the playfield lights work, and the slingshots only work when they want to LOL.  figured if I could find a used working driver board I could sub it in for quick trouble shooting, plus, never hurts to have a spare right?

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Re:anyone have any pin parts?
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2004, 03:40:03 pm »
Check fuse for the playfield lights.  (sometimes they'll even continuity test good but are still bad)

Double/Triple/Quadruple check the cables in the head.  Often it is just a connector with a dirty or bad pin.  Especially in your driver board area.  Maybe a ground problem?

I bought a nonworking Dragon for $60 (system-1).  Turns out, all I needed to do was reflow the solder on the power supply pins and fix some minor battery acid damage on the mpu and she came back alive.  Had to invest another $30 for misc parts (fuse, rubbers, ball, & new molex pins).  Also a crapload of time (cleaning/polishing) but she looks/plays good again.

Is the original ni-cad battery still on it?  If so... REMOVE IT NOW... :)

Here's a great link or two for troubleshooting system-80:

http://www.marvin3m.com/sys80/index.htm
http://www.flippers.com/gott-system80.html

Now you'll have to invite me over to play on it when you get it running... ;)

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Re:anyone have any pin parts?
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2004, 07:09:19 pm »
I just got done with another 80b system myself.  Major board problems ranging from battery leakage and damage, to a failed RIOT chip, several bad logic chips, smoked solenoid and shorted driver transistor, GI problems and on and on...   I've got another 80b (Bone Busters) here waiting for me as well.

I can probably work you thru troubleshooting that driver board, but honestly, if the entire playfield is out then it's unlikely a driver problem.  More likely to be a connection or power/ground issue.  

Post back with specific info about your symptoms and what you have checked and maybe I can help.

If you really want another board,  the newsgroup rec.games.pinball  is the best place to ask.


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Re:anyone have any pin parts?
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2004, 10:53:26 pm »
well, found a crapload of loose wires in the base near the power supply, messed with them for a bit, now I got playfield lights, alot of them are burnt out but about 50-60% work now.  Then, now that they are working, the ball launcher coil burnt out and the right bank of drop targets dont reset!

what would cause the sound to cut out?  If I press the red buttons on the sound board, I get beeps from the speaker, but no matter what I do I cant get any music or sound effects from the machine, obviously the sound board has power and the speaker is connected properly if it can generate beeps right?

Anyways, lots of fun, I knew this machine was going to be a project!

ps, thanks to you guys so far for all the good links and suggestions, keep em coming!

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Re:anyone have any pin parts?
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2004, 11:35:42 pm »
Ahh.

Ok,  if the wires you are talking about are attatched to metal strips on the base of the power brick then those are the grounds and problems there aren't uncommon.  The best way to deal with those are to cut off the pin connectors and group the wires together into small bundles and attatch (solder) lugs (ring terminals) onto them and bolt them directly to the base of the supply

The burned out launcher coil is probably due to a shorted transistor on the driver board. Replacing the board isn't usually needed, they are generally easy to fix.  Here's where you will either need a schematic or be able to trace the wires back from the solenoid to the board and determine which transistor.  It's should be one of the MPS45's, but since there's about two dozen of them you'll need to determine which one is for the burnt coil in question and replace it before you replace the coil.  Which transistor drove what varied somewhat from game to game so you should have some reference to look at when you dig into this.  Gottliebs manuals generally had very good schematics and charts for 80x games, do you have a manual?

For the drop targets you could have one of several problems.  Does the bank feel like it's trying to reset? I've had several that would bind slightly and prevent it from resetting, that's usually a mechanical problem and easy to fix by taking the solenoid off and checking the slide on the reset arm., it may require slight straightning.  If it's not even trying, the drop targets may not be registering closed switches and thus the cpu doesn't know to reset the bank.  Reset the bank by hand and either start a game and hit the targets to see if they register/score or go into test mode and see if the switches read properly.  Loose/bad solder joints on the drop target switches are common or you could have a problem with a switch matrix diode or one of the logic chips on the cpu board.   If the switches do read, double check all coil connections and driver board connections, enter test mode and see if the solenoid fires during the solenoid test sequence. If it doesn't look for an open transistor on the driver board.

The sound is tricky to call from here.  The board beeps when it starts up, if it beeps at other times it means it's resetting.  This could be a sound board problem or a cpu board problem and would require some hands-on troubleshooting.  If you know anybody else with an 80b system, it might be worthwhile to try the soundboard in another machine.  If you really get stuck you could send me the board.

Now, having said all of that, 80x systems are notorious for ground problems and poor grounds can make the boards unstable due to differences in ground potential.  If you haven't checked out the ground fixes here: http://www.marvin3m.com/sys80/index.htm  then you must. These "fixes" are mandatory for reliable 80x operation and could be contributing to the problems you are having.  Since you appear to have ground problems already, you might want to start there and get that right out of the way.

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Re:anyone have any pin parts?
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2004, 08:01:00 am »
thanks, I'm going to re-do those grounds tonight.
The sound did work on the machine, we moved it, now it doesnt, Its gotta be a bad wire I think, I'll have to check them.

Unfortunately I have not been able to pick up a manual for this machine as of yet, either downloaded or purchased, if anyone has one please let me know.

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Re:anyone have any pin parts?
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2004, 09:18:26 pm »
civic,

You can buy a manual here:  http://www.pbresource.com/

It's really a good idea to have one, not just for your current problems, but so you also have dip switch settings, options, part numbers for common parts, test mode info and so forth.   They are well worth the 20 bucks or so.


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