My Computer is really startin to piss me off!

[dabone]

266=133 fsb.

Later,
dabone

[daywane]

in your manual. you will see a pic. of your board.
put all your jumpers back to factory default. As the picture shows.

Now find the cmos jumper (with power OFF) take the jumper from pin 1 &2 and move it to pins 2 & 3 just let it sit for a sec. or two, ( the battery will be all the power needed)
Now put the jumper back to pin  1 & 2

done.
1) If your Memory is the right speed
2) The cpu is not over the size for your board
3) the Video card is not asking for more power than       the  board can handle
4) the jumpers are back to factory setting and cmos is clear

even with out a hard drive you should see the something.
Your AGP slot must be out.
try a pci slot video card. I have a PCI slot video card in one of my cabs and I like it just fine. (radion tv out)

I do not agree with the post "you should not be building your own pc"
I see it as school cost money. You just got schooled.
Any PC home built is a big improvement over any store bought PC.

I would bet if you right down all your specks.
(memory speed and pin count)
(cpu type)
( agp voltage)
Go to comp USA and bought a new Board ( $45.00 to $100.00) you would be up and running in a few hours
or buy a new pci card. but then if you are like me , I would be always have it in my mind about the AGP slot and Hate th PC.

[the3eyedblindman]

im not sure? its brand new and on the box it said designed for amd athlon xp and duron cpus.

[pointdablame]

Your FSB jumper must be set to 133mhz.

Don't ADD more things to it.  As I mentioned, and others, take stuff OUT.  Did you try to boot up the system with just the CPU yet?  You should get a beep.  Now add the memory... you should get another beep.  Now add the HDD.  THEN try the video card.  CD drives and floppies have absolutely nothing to do with this.

Do this:
1) Clear your CMOS.  Shut the system down.  Move the CMOS jumper as was stated.  Also pop the battery off of the motherboard for a minute or so.  Battery back in.  Jumper back to normal.
2) Boot with just the CPU.  Get the POST code... no beeps and your mobo or CPU are having trouble
3) If you're ok, add the memory... follow the above step.


Tell us what happens.

[the3eyedblindman]

ILL try all that has been said, but if i cant get it workin, ill probably buy one of those motherboard cpu ram combos, just to save me time and trouble.

[pointdablame]

why even consider buying something new when you don't even know what's wrong.  If you do some simple troubleshooting you will be able to see what is wrong.

Even if ther IS something wrong, you'll only have to replace the bad/incompatible parts....

[Alucard90]

sorry, but all i can say is, RTFM!  

[the3eyedblindman]

Jumpers are set in correct position, i know video card works, was tested in this computer,  the motherboard is brand new, but i stil get no video with only the cpu, memory, and video card in, i dont hear beeps either, just clicking noises when i turn it on.

[the3eyedblindman]

I know there is power flowing through the motherboard too because the cpu fan turn on....AHH IM GETTING MAD!

[rockhopper]

  Did you actually try what pointdablame said?

All I am imagining now is someone plugging random things into the computer in the hope that it will work. Maybe try plugging the toaster into the USB ports?

Seriously, if you slow down and take a systematic approach, you would have been up and running by now.

[the3eyedblindman]

Actually its the exact opposite man, Everythin is unplugged except the motherboard and CPU, i didnt get any beeps or anything. I tried throwing in the ram and video card and still nothing, before i even did this i made sure my jumpers were set to 133 mhz and i cleared the cmos and then put it back, i cant get it man, im getting ready to throw the whole damn thing out

[the3eyedblindman]

Ok, new information, I unplugged absolutely everything except the motherboard, and the power going to the motherboard, then i have the front panel wires hooked in so i can turn on the computer. When i turn it on with just the motherboard i hear no noise except the fan on the powersupply. After i just put the CPU in ,nothing else, i get a kind of clicking/grinding sound. Its like Click...ClickClickClick, like one, then 3 fast ones, it kind of sounds like black pepper being ground, like a crunch clicking sound, its hard to explain, its definately not a beep though. Just seeing if anyone knows anything about this. Thanks.

[RayB]

Do you have a cockroach problem?

[SteveJ34]

Ok, new information, I unplugged absolutely everything except the motherboard, and the power going to the motherboard, then i have the front panel wires hooked in so i can turn on the computer. When i turn it on with just the motherboard i hear no noise except the fan on the powersupply. After i just put the CPU in ,nothing else, i get a kind of clicking/grinding sound. Its like Click...ClickClickClick, like one, then 3 fast ones, it kind of sounds like black pepper being ground, like a crunch clicking sound, its hard to explain, its definately not a beep though. Just seeing if anyone knows anything about this. Thanks.

Do you have the  case speaker hooked up to the pins on  motherboard?

[the3eyedblindman]

yes

[pointdablame]

flip the pins on the case speaker just for $h!ts and giggles.  Double check you are on the right speaker pins and that all pins are actually inside the jumper.

If it is indeed correct, and your mobo is not making any sounds at all, your mobo is dead.

EDIT: another thing.. make sure you are not shorting out.  Check your motherboard standoffs, and be sure that none of them are hitting anything other than the grounding ring on the motherboard.  Also make sure there is no stray metal pieces in the case that might be shorting.

[Goz]

Crazy question, but since it's obvious that you  don't get alot of the fine points about building your own computer... when you installed just the CPU and fired it up, did you also have the CPU fan on it when you fired it up? I ask this not to be mean, but it could explain an aweful lot.

-Goz

[the3eyedblindman]

No i didnt, just the cpu, not the fan and heatsink, why, is this bad?

[pointdablame]

No i didnt, just the cpu, not the fan and heatsink, why, is this bad?

oh my god.... I pray you are kidding.....  I mean... you have to be....... right?

I....

Wow dude.... you realize that you NEED a heatsink and fan on a CPU right? especially an Athlon... if that system was on for more than a minute with that cheap motherboard, your CPU is total toast.

You ARE kidding right.... please tell me you are kidding.   I refuse to believe that people can..... wow.

"DUDE, YOU SHOULD BUY A DELL"

[the3eyedblindman]

Nope, not kidding, i figured id only had it on for about 10 seconds at a time, soi didnt wanna smash the heatsink on it having to take it off and reput it on again, but it probebly is toast now, i guess i learned something new today tho, always put a heatsink on. Anyone know where i can buy a computer that has a vid card with s video, 512 ram cheap, any emachines for instance have these qualities?

[pointdablame]

It's possible its not toast, but more than likely

You'd prolly only have to replace the CPU tho

[SteveJ34]

Nope, not kidding, i figured id only had it on for about 10 seconds at a time, soi didnt wanna smash the heatsink on it having to take it off and reput it on again, but it probebly is toast now, i guess i learned something new today tho, always put a heatsink on. Anyone know where i can buy a computer that has a vid card with s video, 512 ram cheap, any emachines for instance have these qualities?

It's possible, depending on the overheat protection of the motherboard that without a CPU fan installed the board will power up but power itself down quickly.

I'd install heat sink/fan and give it a whirl.

[Effayy]

No i didnt, just the cpu, not the fan and heatsink, why, is this bad?

I tried to find this article that your post reminded me of. On Tom's Hardware a while back, they had a movie showing what happens when an Athlon CPU is booted up without the fan and heatsink.  Let's just say it was quite the burnout, and rather quickly at that.

Don't get discouraged out of building your own system just yet.  My first home-built PC was a 486 DX2/66 . I made a few mistakes back then and paid for it (quite literally), but once you get the hang of it, it's quite rewarding.

Before you consider this a write-off, a few things you should check/do:

1) Take the CPU out of the socket on the motherboard, while the power is off and the power cord (to the wall, not just the power switch) is unplugged from the computer.  Look underneath the CPU.  Many many pins under there, if one of them snapped off as you were inserting it, you should bring it back to wherever you bought it.  If a pin is bent, then you may be able to very very very carefully bend it back into place.  i had to do that with my Athlon and it ended up just fine.

2) Check the CPU for obvious burn marks.  If it fried, it should be obvious enough (from what I saw at Tom's hardware, anyway)

3) If all seems well with the CPU, put it carefully back into the socket on the motherboard, and pull the arm down, securing the CPU in place in the socket itself.  Read the manual if you're unsure about where/how to secure the CPU.

4) Make sure the heatsink and CPU fan are connected at ALL times. Athlons get hot. and they do so very very very very (very) quickly.

5) Once the CPU, Heatsink and CPU fan are connected, re-plug the powercord. Make sure that the PC Speaker is connected (NOT your soundcard, I mean the little tiny speaker that sits in the case itself and connected via cable to the mobo directly).

At this point, only the Speaker, CPU, Motherboard and Vidcard should be connected. No ram, no soundcard, no network card, no CDRom, no HD, etc....

6) When turning on your system, listen for beeps. if you get NO beeps at this point, I'd suggest taking the mobo and CPU back to the shop and get them replaced.  You'd be surprised how accomodating retail stores will be.  Just tell them it never worked for some reason, and you should get an exchange.

7) If you DO get beeps, count them.  In your mobo manual, there will be a section that explains what the number of beeps refers to. Most likely it'll be the missing ram that it'll beep about if everything is ok.

On another note, if your motherboard comes with onboard video, make sure that you disable that if you have your own videocard (usually a jumper, which I know you already played with, but hey just in case).


Some general tips when building systems:

- Do your homework, always.  You should map out every single part you intend to buy (or recycle) in your system, and then go online, and read read read. Make sure that all the peices you buy work together.  RAM have different speeds, vidcards could be AGP or PCI, voltage differences.  The Motherboard needs to support the CPU you intend to buy, etc etc etc... You just have to make sure everything fits.

- Always always always RTFM.  99.9% of the questions you'll have when building a system will be answered by reading the appropriate manual.  Blindly throwing a system together is a recipe for disaster.

- As was mentioned before, never turn on your system (especially an AMD) without the heatsink and at LEAST the stock fan.  Many Athlon owners get better cooling from an aftermarket fan.

- It's always a good idea to remain grounded when building your system... Shuffling your socks across the shag carpet before touching your shiny new stick of ram isn't recommended.  Zzzzap.

- If you're not confident in your abilities to set up your own system, I highly recommend that you get in touch with a friend who DOES have a lot of knowledge, and have him/her build it for you, and run you through what he/she is doing step-by-step, answer your questions, etc... It"s a great way to build up your own knowledge with minimal risk of breaking something along the way.  I have a friend who was too afraid to build his own system, so I walked him through it, and now he tweaks with his own systems all the time.

Hope this helps.  And don't get discouraged.  Sure it sounds like a head-slapper of a mistake was made with the fan, but consider it a lesson learned and move on.  Chances are you won't make the same mistake again, hmm?

- Effayy

[cdbrown]

Apologies for any repeated questions as I only scanned through this thread

You have tested the graphics card in another PC and it works - have you tried the graphics card from the working machine in the new pc?  Have you tried the new monitor/tv on the known working machine?

With the cpu installed along with the heatsink and fan, 1 stick of memory and video card, turn it on and look to see if the cpu fan is spinning away.  Make sure to remove any protective plastic from the bottom of the heatsink if it has any or apply thermal compound if needed.

Spend some time making very sure that all the case wires (PANEL1 and SPEAKER1) and plugged in to the correct pins on the mobo, if it's not in the correct spot the speaker won't work.  I see the SPEAKER1 header has 4 pins, hopefully your case has a 4 pin connector for it otherwise it may not work but that depends on what each pin does
1-Signal
2-NC
3-Ground
4-VCC
not sure what VCC is but if you have the plug around the wrong way you won't get the speaker to work.
You could try and plug in the floppy drive (power and to FDD1 on the board)) and see if it lights up like it would during a normal boot sequence.

There have been alot of suggestions along the way for testing various components and you are lucky that you have a working machine to test it all against.  Don't just give up without testing each component thoroughly.

Cheers
-cdbrown

[jlampc]

It's possible its not toast, but more than likely

You'd prolly only have to replace the CPU tho

Got bad new for you bucko. AMD's die almost instantly without a heat sink and fan. Pull out the chip and give it a sniff..probably a little crispy. If you ever wanna quick test an AMD make sure you put the heatsink and fan on the chip. I dont clamp it for a quick test but I press down on top of the heatsink while its sitting on the proc...This is even really bad if you don't know what your doing. I've seen new systems out of the box where the heatsink broke off in shipping and the user saw the post screen for 1/2 a second before it died. Sorry to tell you that. I would recommend you pick up a book on building PC's from a bookstore or library. I used to teach Computer hardware repair and the books are pretty good at telling you the name of the Little Slots.....ie pci and AGP.

and lastly Take your time...It's not that hard to do it right.

[Tiger-Heli]

No i didnt, just the cpu, not the fan and heatsink, why, is this bad?

I tried to find this article that your post reminded me of. On Tom's Hardware a while back, they had a movie showing what happens when an Athlon CPU is booted up without the fan and heatsink.  Let's just say it was quite the burnout, and rather quickly at that.

http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20010917/heatvideo-05.html

 

[pointdablame]

It's possible its not toast, but more than likely

You'd prolly only have to replace the CPU tho

Got bad new for you bucko. AMD's die almost instantly without a heat sink and fan. Pull out the chip and give it a sniff..probably a little crispy. If you ever wanna quick test an AMD make sure you put the heatsink and fan on the chip. I dont clamp it for a quick test but I press down on top of the heatsink while its sitting on the proc...This is even really bad if you don't know what your doing. I've seen new systems out of the box where the heatsink broke off in shipping and the user saw the post screen for 1/2 a second before it died. Sorry to tell you that. I would recommend you pick up a book on building PC's from a bookstore or library. I used to teach Computer hardware repair and the books are pretty good at telling you the name of the Little Slots.....ie pci and AGP.

and lastly Take your time...It's not that hard to do it right.

You don't have to tell me bucko  I'm not the original poster, I was trying to help him.  And I KNOW athlons get hot quick, but if he literally did have it on for 10 seconds, he may have stood a chance... albeit slim like I said in the post you quoted...

However, it doesn't matter because I talked to 3eyed yesterday and he said he saw smoke.  He never said it in the thread though.  I told him his CPU is fried, like we all suspected.  It's a crappy lesson, but hopefully he learned something from it.

[RayB]

Oyy.

[Goz]

It's kind of funny that the thread could have 60 + replies prior to anyone hearing anything about seeing smoke. I'm almost wondering if he didn't want the thread to end.

If the thread started with... I plugged in just the CPU and RAM and saw smoke when powered it on... then the question of heatsink / fan would have come up earlier.

PEBKAC

[Sylentwulf]

I'm sure by this point, any reply is just pointless, but I HAVE to say it too..

You connected the CPU and turned it on with NO heatsink or Fan. That's just incomprehensible.

You pulled out a bunch of jumpers and put them in different spots to see if it would help. My brain hits a brick wall just trying to comprehend this type of thought process.

What you need to do, is take everything you have, bring it to a PC repair shop, and say "Fix This."

The next time you open something that says "This is intended to be installed by a professional" Take the packages advice.

[daywane]

school cost money
I dont mean this as a smart ass. but he just got some more school.

[pointdablame]

school cost money
I dont mean this as a smart ass. but he just got some more school.

Nice grammar.  Oh how I love irony.

[RayB]

Well *I* certainly learned a lesson here too. From now on, don't waste your time replying to a 3eye thread. And certainly don't take any technical advice from him either.

 

[Crazy Cooter]

Heheh, reminds me of when I was showing a roommate how to build a comp in college.  I'm telling him how to put in the memory and he's already got it plugged into the wall.  The sparks got his hands out of the case real fast

It still worked too.  Ran that T-bird up to 900Mhz.  Blazing fast at the time.

[the3eyedblindman]

Well *I* certainly learned a lesson here too. From now on, don't waste your time replying to a 3eye thread. And certainly don't take any technical advice from him either.

 

LOL, you dont need to just never speak to me again because i made a mistake, I asked what for certain needed to be hooked in and no one mentioned the cpu fan and heatsink, they just said cpu, yeah most of you think its common sense to put it on, but for someone that has only built one computer and doesnt know much about it it  isnt common sense, so i made a mistake, and ive learned, yeah i payed 5o bucks or whatever for the cpu, but now i have learned something new, dont put in a cpu for even 10 seconds without a heatsink. Sorry if you all think im dragging the thread on, but i needed help, and i have learned things from it. What my plan is now is to just buy brand new of all the basic parts (Ram, Cpu, and motherboard, and possibly even a new video card) and im not going to touch it, ill probably see if tiger direct would do it for me, there is a store by me, so maybe theyll be generous, dont just never reply to me again cuz i made a mistake, im sorry. (the first time i even thought about the heatsink was when gozur made that post a few posts back, it was either him or ggkoul that said , this may sound like a dumb question, but did u put the heatsink on, and i hadnt )
once again sorry, dont just neglect me now thought because i made on mistake.

[pocketbikez]

this is why i have yet to build my own puter. i know id screw something up and it would end up costing more money than a prebuilt.

my most recent computer was from the dell outlet, it cost $320 with free shipping. prices there vary greatly day by day. i watched for about 2 weeks before i found a great deal.

2.6ghz P4
512mb ram
80 gig HD
winXP
56k modem
keyboard/mouse

it has built in video but that is fine for a mame puter.

[Tiger-Heli]

hook up the PC speaker and listen for the beeps.  How many beeps does it make upon boot?  remove the video card, and harddrive, cable and all, now how many beeps does it make?

  Only run with this hooked up:

  CPU, (no fan or fan cable), RAM, Powersupply  How many beeps now?  If only one beep, add the vid card, and try and boot... keep doing this until you get more than one beep... when that happens, that's your bad part....

  do a google for "POST beep codes" for your motherboard.  It should be listed in the manual under Beep Codes...

In 3rdeye's defense, reply #8 to the thread did not mention the processor or fan.  The above was reply #19 and specifically says "CPU, no fan or fan cable".

Now I realize that the poster meant case fans, not CPU fan, but I thought at the time that could be confusing, but by the time I started reading the thread it was on Post #40 or so, so I figured if he didn't have the fan hooked up, the processor was already dead.

3rd-eye - I doubt you damaged anything other than the processor, but rather than buy a new PC, I would take all your existing components to a mom-and-pop computer shop, buy a new processor and let them install and test it with your existing hardware.  Many shops will do that for almost free.

[pointdablame]

I skipped right over that post by exibar without even realizing that.  That quote is very misleading, I wish I had caught it... I would have said something.

I do agree with Tiger-Heli.  Just have a store pop in a new CPU and set it up.  I know you were telling me you'd rather get a new system, but I still think that's a bit unnecessary.

[RayB]

This reminds me of my brother who many years ago attempted to remove his sound card with the power on. That's not THAT risky, but as fate would have it, he dropped it on whatever card was below. He fried his MOBO and a couple other cards.

Then there's the time he deleted a whole lot of files because he had shortcuts to them elsewhere and he though that meant he had duplicates of the files. As fate would have it, he emptied the Recycle bin before calling me about his applications no longer working.

There's also the time he formatted his drive without backing up his files, but I forget the specific details of how that happened and why he thought he'd still have his files intact.

 

[the3eyedblindman]

Got it working, all i did was buy a new cpu and now its fine, thanks for the help guys. Now installing windows 98 se it says "file missing or corrupted, command.com" and stops there, then it wants me to type in address, im stuck, anyone know what this means?