FINAL UPDATE 2-19-2005, DO NOT BUY FROM CSO!!!----KDS 21 Inch VGA Monitor

[Arcadiac]

POOR PRODUCT AND NON-EXISTANT CUSTOMER SUPPORT HAS FORCED ME TO WITHDRAW MY RECOMMENDATION---READ MY LATEST POST FOR INFO---MY APOLOGIES ALL

[paigeoliver]

I love those monitors! I have a local source though.

[JackTucky]

Online ordering says $88 shipping.  How did you order yours to get the 4.99?

Art

[iwillfearnoevil]

they probably raised the shipping price. cso raises prices quickly once a few orders roll in from all the people posting at 'hot deal' forums.

[Snarbald]

They have a special going where all shipping is 4.99 no matter what the order.

[Bloinkxp]

The description of the monitor states that shipping will be between $50 and $75.  However on the front page it includes monitors on the 4.99.  I wrote CSO and asked for clarification...

D

PS.  I will post the email.

[Lilwolf]

they did the same thing when I bought two...  

And if you place the order, it came up with the right shipping.

btw, they are great monitors.. great specs..  SUPER heavy...  

but I think they are only good for pc games and development systems (I have dual monitors using them... the are great)... Sucky for arcade games.  They are too high resolution.. all basic svga monitor problems.

they are great for vector games though.  

[Arcadiac]

The description of the monitor states that shipping will be between $50 and $75.  However on the front page it includes monitors on the 4.99.  I wrote CSO and asked for clarification...

D

PS.  I will post the email.

Copy of my confirmation:

COMPUTER SURPLUS OUTLET ORDER CONFIRMATION
Dear Ronald,
Thank you for your order!

Order #: XXXXXXX        Order Date: 8/31/2004 9:14:46 AM

Bill to:                                     Ship to:
Ronald Holmes                                Ronald Holmes
                                             
6636 NOYB Rd.                            6636 NOYB Rd.
                                             
                                             
BFE, KY 402XX                       BFE, KY 402XX
US                                           US

Product Name    Description        Warranty    Quantity    Unit Price    Ext. Price
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MON-KDS21         KDS 21 Inch OEM C   30 Day        2        $89.00           $178.00
                                                            Subtotal: $178.00
                                                            Tax:      $0.00
                                                            Shipping: $4.99
                                                            Discount: $0.00
                                                            Total:    $182.99

To check your order status, please visit your Customer Profile page at:
https://www.computersurplusoutlet.com/login.asp?
Thank you, CSO

Shipping rate confirmation happens at the next to the last step, you review your order, submit, get the grand total, and place the order.  Hope this clears things up.  
BTW, sometimes after getting several orders they will discontinue the shipping special, so order soon if you want this deal, it may or may not change.  I think they have already offset the shipping "deal" by raising the basic monitor price from $59 to $89, but you never know what CSO will decide to do.  ARCADIAC!

[JackTucky]

same for me.  $4.99 shipping at confirmation.  Sweet.

Art

[monkeybomb]

I bought one last night when I saw the post.  It says 88 dollars shipping until you get to the last page.  Notice that the shipping total is an estimate and that it says there will be an actual total before you commit your money.

Now, should this be a vertical classics machine or a moonpatrol replica classic machine?

[Lilwolf]

remember... these are SVGA monitors that handle 1600x1200+ at a good refresh rate.

I say these are great for pc desktops

and

Vector games (they really are nicer at higher resolution... they look a lot more original)

[Generic Eric]

for those of you that have them...What do you say about this, from there web site?

# Note: There is no power button or control buttons

How do you make adjustments then?

[paigeoliver]

All that stuff is there, just hidden inside the casing.

[wakerlet]

Just ordered one.  I also picked up a few ISA SB cards.  Never can have too many of those lying around.

-Todd

[Arcadiac]

This might be helpful, read this thread:
http://www.arcadecontrols.org/yabbse/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=18490;start=0
Most of your questions including adjustments issues have been answered already.  ARCADIAC!

[wfg97079]

whats a good cab fit wise for these beasts?
any classics that I might be able to find eny empty cab that would work?
What about a pac cab?  Could I cram one in?

[tep0583]

remember... these are SVGA monitors that handle 1600x1200+ at a good refresh rate.

I say these are great for pc desktops

and

Vector games (they really are nicer at higher resolution... they look a lot more original)

UNderstood, but they CAN handle lower resolutions, rigth?

If so,  I think I'm going to order one for my next project....

[Lilwolf]

Yes, they handle all the resolutions I've tried great.

Just the normal SVGA problems with mame... in that it looks too blocky.

Take a look at Oscars site looking at the monitor comparison to see what I'm talking about.

[Arcadiac]

Disagreeing without being disagreeable, these monitors are fine for MAME as an arcade monitor alternative.  
Mine looks great in my first project, good enough to buy two more for the next projects.
Relatively inexpensive, easy to install and definitely better looking IMO than using a TV for a monitor.  Tried the TV option, looked like crap.  
Admittedly I have no experience with arcade monitors in MAME cabs, it just seemed too cost prohibitive (monitor,
Arcadevga card, etc.) to me.  
Some here swear by TVs, many would not consider anything less than an arcade monitor.  
Its really a matter of budget, aesthetics, experience and personal preference.  
I'm in the process of restoring a Nintendo VS upright and two VS cocktails and will use real monitors for them for authenticity.  
Anyway, just passing along a value to my friends here at BYOAC,  Respectfully, ARCADIAC

[tep0583]

Yes, they handle all the resolutions I've tried great.

Just the normal SVGA problems with mame... in that it looks too blocky.

Take a look at Oscars site looking at the monitor comparison to see what I'm talking about.

Ah, cool, just wanted to make sure.

To be honest, every game I play on my PC monitor looks OK to me, so I'm going to go with one of these.

Just wanted to make sure there wasn't something
else I didn't know about...

[esfb8zs]

I've used one of these before with almost perfect results.  I just ordered three more.  Thanks to the original poster!

Jay

[tep0583]

Well.... I just took the plunge.

I'll post my impressions as soon as it arrives.

I'm really, really happy, now this was the last major peice of equipment I needed for my main cab project!

[wfg97079]

anyone manage to cram one of these into a cocktail?

[Arcadiac]

anyone manage to cram one of these into a cocktail?

It would be a tight fit in a cocktail but I don't see why not.  The monitor without the outside case is about 19-20" deep.  It stuck out the back of my cabinet about an inch, so I just left the back off of it.  From the mounting board back its about 18", if I hadn't used the original mounting angle and mounted it straight it would have cleared the back.  As for your earlier question, my cab inside width was about 23 1/2" leaving a couple inches on each side and top and bottom for the mounting board.  You will want a cab at least that wide in order for it to fit.  Mine was an Atari Food Fight originally,  http://www.arcadecontrols.org/yabbse/index.php?board=10;action=display;threadid=17788
there are pics of how I mounted my monitor in that thread.
Good luck all with your projects!! ARCADIAC

[esfb8zs]

Anyone that ordered one get it yet?  Or get it shipped?  I ordered three on the 31st and they still are not showing shipped on the web site.  I sent email to their shipping dept, but have not heard back yet (just did it).

Jay

[Arcadiac]

Anyone that ordered one get it yet?  Or get it shipped?  I ordered three on the 31st and they still are not showing shipped on the web site.  I sent email to their shipping dept, but have not heard back yet (just did it).

Jay

When I ordered back in April it took over 2 weeks to arrive, Apr. 23/May 10.  I also ordered on the 31st of Aug., expect them this time next week, approx. 15-20 days.  Also, keep in mind that we had a 3-day holiday weekend, may take a bit longer than before.  Please post when we get them so others will know whats going on.  FYI I had terrible experience with CSO e-mail, others didn't, go figure.
Hang in there!  ARCADIAC!

[gregor7777]

Thanks, just ordered with a 450w PSU. $109.00 shipped total.

[Arcadiac]

Anyone that ordered one get it yet?  Or get it shipped?  I ordered three on the 31st and they still are not showing shipped on the web site.  I sent email to their shipping dept, but have not heard back yet (just did it).

Jay

When I ordered back in April it took over 2 weeks to arrive, Apr. 23/May 10.  I also ordered on the 31st of Aug., expect them this time next week, approx. 15-20 days.  Also, keep in mind that we had a 3-day holiday weekend, may take a bit longer than before.  Please post when we get them so others will know whats going on.  FYI I had terrible experience with CSO e-mail, others didn't, go figure.
Hang in there!  ARCADIAC!

FYI, got an email today that said mine will arrive on the 20th.  If that turns out true, it will be about 3 weeks from ordering to arrival.  I'll post again upon delivery.  Others please post when yours arrives and how you like/dislike it.  Thanks all!  ARCADIAC!

[JackTucky]

Mine supposed to be here Sept 21st.

Art

[tep0583]

Mine shipped yesterday and is supposed to arrive Monday. (I'll be out of town until tue., of course)

[Excretious]

Its been 12 days since i placed my order and like everyone else, i got antsy and emailed em.  They quickly replied with this email......


Mr. Vaccaro,

 

Thank you for your inquiry.  Due to an unexpected overwhelming response, the expected ship time on all those monitors were delayed. I apologize for the delay and any inconvenience it may cause you.  Your order will be shipping out today.  If there is anything else I can do for you, please let me know.
 
Thank you,
 
Rowell
 
Computer Surplus Outlet
284-C East Lake Mead Dr. #170
Henderson, NV 89015-5582

[esfb8zs]

I got the same thing.  Mine are supposed to be here Monday.  Thanks Jay

[Lilwolf]

Remember...

"Waiting is 1/2 the battle"

these monitors are HUGE and HEAVY.  They take a bit to get there.  For the price they charged for shipping... Don't expect them to drop them overnight air

btw, for when you get them.

You turn them on by pressing a button on the left side thats hidden.  You will see two bolts that holds a board on the inside of the metal cabinet.  You press the buttons by pushing a pencil or something through the holes.  If you look closely, you will see where they are.

I'm mentioning this, because a bunch of people get their monitors and think they don't work...  Start freaking out... And come screaming.

[Arcadiac]

Remember...

"Waiting is 1/2 the battle"

these monitors are HUGE and HEAVY.  They take a bit to get there.  For the price they charged for shipping... Don't expect them to drop them overnight air

btw, for when you get them.

You turn them on by pressing a button on the left side thats hidden.  You will see two bolts that holds a board on the inside of the metal cabinet.  You press the buttons by pushing a pencil or something through the holes.  If you look closely, you will see where they are.

I'm mentioning this, because a bunch of people get their monitors and think they don't work...  Start freaking out... And come screaming.

Thanks Lilwolf, very helpful stuff.  BTW these can be removed from the case for mounting, giving you a little more lee-way and lessening the weight by about 30 lbs. when installing.  Just be sure to remove the two screws  holding the adjustment board that Lilwolf mentioned in addition to the case screws.
Handle carefully and don't forget to DEGAUSS!  I'm one of the ones who freaked out, thinking I got a bad monitor when all it really needed was degaussing and fine tuning.  Thanks for the replies, glad to be able to pass on the deal that was passed on to me!  Good Luck! ARCADIAC!  

[esfb8zs]

Got my three today.  One box was really beat up by UPS (I made them note this), but all three worked fine.  The last place I ordered these from, I had two bad ones.  They took care of it though.  Thanks to the original poster for this deal.

Jay

[Kremmit]

Got mine today as well- box was in great shape, the shipper used spray-in foam, not peanuts or bubble wrap, so the monitor was undamaged.  Works fine, no screen burn or scratches.

My wife thinks it's ugly.

[Gunstar Hero]

Installed mine in my PolePos cab today. =)

Really had to stuff it in there, bit it looks great, much better than just setting a 19' PC monitor inside the cab for sure.

Great picture quality and it's one SOLID and HEAVY unit, not one for a flimsy monitor shelf, thats for sure!

I had to add a new shelf and strut to the back for support, space my monitor glass just a little bit out, and of course recut the bezel... but it was worth it!

It just "feels" more authentic now. =)

[JackTucky]

Received mine yesterday.  That thing is huge.  I'm going to try and wedge it into that Outrun cab I get from PCAtes.

"Honey, get me my pryin' bar and fittin' hammer"

Art

[owj]

Gunstar Hero,

Would you mind posting a pic of your Pole Position with the KDS monitor in it?  I am thinking of doing exactly the same thing.

[monkeybomb]

 

UPS refused to let my apartment manager sign for it it.  They sent mine back, what can I do.  Will I get anything now or am I just out the money?