Author Topic: giant cocktails (Read 5797 times)

paigeoliver · « **on:** August 16, 2004, 10:01:15 pm »

Ok, I am thinking about replacing almost my entire collection with this cocktail here.

paigeoliver · « **Reply #1 on:** August 16, 2004, 10:03:57 pm »

That is a standing type cocktail you don't use chairs. It has 2 panels, each 26" wide. I have drawn up my control panels, but haven't actually cut the holes out yet.

At first I was going to really go crazy and add panels on each side, but then it would have literally eaten an entire room.

This of course is my proposed layout for my main panel.

paigeoliver · « **Reply #2 on:** August 16, 2004, 10:06:34 pm »

Here is the other proposed panel.

Crazy? too much of a frankenpanel?

I SHOULD have enough inputs where each and every input is separate, and mame is set up to face the right games the right way, and put 8-way games into cocktail mode when possible.

bdsjake · « **Reply #3 on:** August 16, 2004, 10:24:37 pm »

Quote from: paigeoliver on August 16, 2004, 10:01:15 pm

Ok, I am thinking about replacing almost my entire collection with this cocktail here.

uh, I'll take that Star Wars cockpit of you yours!

Seriously though, looks interesting. Have room for a 27" monitor?

paigeoliver · « **Reply #4 on:** August 16, 2004, 10:28:53 pm »

Well, it HAD a 19" in it. Let me measure real quick like.

paigeoliver · « **Reply #5 on:** August 16, 2004, 10:33:04 pm »

Quote from: bdsjake on August 16, 2004, 10:24:37 pm

Quote from: paigeoliver on August 16, 2004, 10:01:15 pm
Ok, I am thinking about replacing almost my entire collection with this cocktail here.

uh, I'll take that Star Wars cockpit of you yours!

It is for sale. It is not cheap.

Just measured. Installing a horizontal monitor, which is what the machine should have, I have 25.5" across, and 22.2" tall.

My 27" TV almost makes those measurements IN THE CASE, so I guess a 27" would fit. A 25" would fit for sure.

MinerAl · « **Reply #6 on:** August 16, 2004, 10:54:56 pm »

If it was originally an Atari Football (or Soccer) it had a 24" B&W very round tube in it originally.

I have a 24" Apex flat tube in mine and (with a little modification to un-round-ify the bezel) it looks about perfect.

paigeoliver · « **Reply #7 on:** August 16, 2004, 11:04:11 pm »

Mine isn't an Atari football (those had 23" monitors, I have a TON of those monitors laying around, a ton being 3).

Mine is a Dunk Shot. Which came out like 10 years later. Not sure if the cabinet is identical or not.

MinerAl · « **Reply #8 on:** August 16, 2004, 11:13:30 pm »

Does the board that the monitor mounts to slide in and out the side? That was how the X&O Football one worked. You'd mount the monitor to the board and then slide it in under the glass without having to move the glass/bezel.

I like the idea of different panels on each side. Once you get MAME trained to show the games oriented the right way it'll be about perfect! You'd essentially have a 48" wide panel.

It would be fairly simple to do modular panels on this design and then you could have the Tron panel and the yoke panel and the q-bert panel and the 360

paigeoliver · « **Reply #9 on:** August 16, 2004, 11:17:26 pm »

No, the monitor mounting board is fixed in this one.

I always consider modular panels, but I always don't do them because, well because it would be a pain in the butt. One reason I have always had multiple mame cabinets.

Apollo · « **Reply #10 on:** August 16, 2004, 11:32:57 pm »

Looks like a great set up Paige.
Would you mind making measurements so we can scratch build this thing?
Cheers.

spriggy · « **Reply #11 on:** August 17, 2004, 11:12:53 am »

I recently had 'Jakobud' and 'Alexsledge' put up their hands to assist me in compiling some CAD plans for the beautiful 'Track 'n' Field Cocktail (same as the Atari Football and Baseball) in the near future, which is extremely similar to this beast. As you probably would be aware, they also come with an extension base, so you can sit or stand. Lovely!!

Any more hands up to get me started on these plans??? (on top of the 'Taito plans' !!!!!)

The thread is here..... http://www.arcadecontrols.org/yabbse/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=11347;start=msg186945#msg186945

Game On!

Chris · « **Reply #12 on:** August 17, 2004, 11:20:32 am »

You've gotta put a trackball on both sides for Atari Football... if I had more room, I'd build a dedicated Atari Football machine....

--Chris

MonitorGuru · « **Reply #13 on:** August 17, 2004, 11:35:23 am »

Quote from: paigeoliver on August 16, 2004, 11:17:26 pm

No, the monitor mounting board is fixed in this one.

I always consider modular panels, but I always don't do them because, well because it would be a pain in the butt. One reason I have always had multiple mame cabinets.

I'd go the 1Up way (actually *I* had the ideas of a rotating 3 sided panel before he did it, I have drawings and emails to a friend way back in 2000 for it, but I digress

) And go with a rotating 2 sided panel in there.

NoOne=NBA= · « **Reply #14 on:** August 17, 2004, 11:53:07 am »

The only change I'd make is I'd go T-stik/49-way/Spinner/Buttons/Tron Stick on side 2.

I think it would be really weird to play most spinner games with the spinner on the right.

Actually I'd go modular with it too.
Now that I have a modular panel, it would be really hard for me to go back.

paigeoliver · « **Reply #15 on:** August 17, 2004, 04:07:35 pm »

I play spinner on right, doesn't everyone?

J_K_M_A_N · « **Reply #16 on:** August 17, 2004, 04:37:27 pm »

Quote from: Chris on August 17, 2004, 11:20:32 am

... if I had more room, I'd build a dedicated Atari Football machine....

If you did, I would come over and play it with you until my palms bled from getting pinched in the lip of the trackball.

J_K_M_A_N

Chris · « **Reply #17 on:** August 17, 2004, 04:42:45 pm »

Quote from: J_K_M_A_N on August 17, 2004, 04:37:27 pm

Quote from: Chris on August 17, 2004, 11:20:32 am
... if I had more room, I'd build a dedicated Atari Football machine....

If you did, I would come over and play it with you until my palms bled from getting pinched in the lip of the trackball.

Someone needs to invent an "optical" trackball that just detects the speed and direction your hand moving over the lens...

NoOne=NBA= · « **Reply #18 on:** August 17, 2004, 04:47:49 pm »

Quote from: paigeoliver on August 17, 2004, 04:07:35 pm

I play spinner on right, doesn't everyone?

Depends on which games you played most, and/or best.

Tempest players like spinner right, Tron/Blasteroid/Star Trek players like spinner left.

I always did bad at Tempest--probably because someone put the spinner on the wrong side of the CP.

Chris · « **Reply #19 on:** August 17, 2004, 04:52:34 pm »

Quote from: NoOne=NBA= on August 17, 2004, 04:47:49 pm

Tempest players like spinner right, Tron/Blasteroid/Star Trek players like spinner left.

I always did bad at Tempest--probably because someone put the spinner on the wrong side of the CP.

I used to play Tron with my arms crossed over... I always wanted to get my own Tron machine and reverse the controls....

I played a ton of Tron, too... my parents always used to go up to a campground called Mountain Lakes (in So. Cal) when I was a kid, and Tron was the only game there...

--Chris

SirPoonga · « **Reply #20 on:** August 17, 2004, 04:52:42 pm »

Mmmmmmm, atari football.

I've been thinking of making one of those cabinets for my cocktail. They are nice.Though, personally, I'd want to sit. So I'd probably make it lower.

When you get a change dimension it out for us

I have 19" hybrid monitor that isn't being used right now.

Apollo · « **Reply #21 on:** August 17, 2004, 05:23:05 pm »

No need to make it lower to sit, just get a couple of decent bar stools.

MinerAl · « **Reply #22 on:** August 17, 2004, 06:16:48 pm »

Here are some quick and dirty dimensions. The wood is .75", so the cabinet is 25.25" wide and the CPs and glass are 23.75 wide.

There's a red line down the middle because it is symetrical on both sides of that line.

It looks a little tapered because of the perspective of the picture... it was the best side on shot I had. The base is 26.25" wide at the bottom and at the "arm pits." It doesn't get narrower as it goes to the floor.

paigeoliver · « **Reply #23 on:** August 17, 2004, 06:32:02 pm »

Ok, then mine is definitely bigger, as the control panels are a hair under 26" wide on mine.

NoOne=NBA= · « **Reply #24 on:** August 17, 2004, 06:50:03 pm »

Dunk Shot is a Sega game.

If you look at the "arms" on the two cabs, Atari's go down slightly, Sega's go up dramatically.

D_Zoot · « **Reply #25 on:** August 17, 2004, 07:22:11 pm »

Dude !!!
I got a dead 4 player Paddle Mania in one of those cab's. Had been thinking about doing something with it myself.

I'll be keeping an eye to see how that cab works out for you...

D

paigeoliver · « **Reply #26 on:** August 17, 2004, 07:22:38 pm »

This is most definitely an ATARI Dunk shot. I have the serial number plate, the artwork, the dip switch settings sheet, and everything, it all says atari, as does the artwork. They licensed it from Sega, Atari built the cabinets, you can tell because they have big caps in them and are over engineered, nothing like a Sega cabinet.

Here is a detail of one of the original control panels.

paigeoliver · « **Reply #27 on:** August 17, 2004, 07:29:44 pm »

drilled out my panels today. Any interest in a single 49-way and interface, as it doesn't look like I am going to use my other one. Unless it turns out that they are better 8-ways then real 8-ways are, in which case I might go all 49-way from now on.

paigeoliver · « **Reply #28 on:** August 17, 2004, 07:31:30 pm »

other panel

spriggy · « **Reply #29 on:** August 17, 2004, 08:54:40 pm »

Just for info... I stand corrected. Thanks for the dimensions MineAl. I'll start the Atari Football plans and if you don't mind...keep bugging you for other required dimensions as I plod along!?. Cheers

(Below quotes from the 'original cab dimensions' thread here.... http://www.arcadecontrols.org/yabbse/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=11347;start=msg186945#msg186945)

Quote from: Wade on August 17, 2004, 11:47:30 am

Spriggy and others,

I'm afraid the Atari Football and Track and Field cocktails are very similar, but not exactly the same. I have a T&F cocktail I could measure if no one else gets to it first, but it would be a couple of weeks. I am behind by a week or two, and my brother is out of town this week so I can't get the Taito sideart from him until this weekend at the soonest.

Wade

Excuse my ignorance. I'll get my facts straight next time I shoot my mouth off!

Oh well. Looks like we'll have plans for a T'N'F and an Atari Football cocktail!!

When dimensions become available to me.. I'll start them up.

MinerAl · « **Reply #30 on:** August 17, 2004, 09:35:20 pm »

Bug away

I've been meaning to get it properly measured and posted to the "anyone interested in original dimensions" thread forever.

The measurements posted above are not exact by any stretch; the corners are very rounded so I estimated in a place or two, but the basics are there.

Sorry for the thread hijack Paige... we'll move this over to the other thread in the future. Your control panels look awesome. What were you thinking of for the topfire stick? Might something like RayB's topfire shaft work in the 49 way?

paigeoliver · « **Reply #31 on:** August 17, 2004, 09:37:21 pm »

Of course I made the mistake of hooking up a joystick, now I may never finish!

Kremmit · « **Reply #32 on:** August 18, 2004, 01:27:24 am »

Quote from: Chris on August 17, 2004, 04:42:45 pm

Someone needs to invent an "optical" trackball that just detects the speed and direction your hand moving over the lens...

That's just an optical mouse turned upside down. Mount the sensor in a round housing if you still want it to look like a ball...

Actually, that's not a bad idea!

Kremmit · « **Reply #33 on:** August 18, 2004, 01:31:46 am »

Quote from: paigeoliver on August 17, 2004, 07:29:44 pm

drilled out my panels today. Any interest in a single 49-way and interface, as it doesn't look like I am going to use my other one. Unless it turns out that they are better 8-ways then real 8-ways are, in which case I might go all 49-way from now on.

I might take that extra SJC off you, but I've already got my own 49-way. PM me if it's still available.

Chris · « **Reply #34 on:** August 18, 2004, 09:26:47 am »

Quote from: Kremmit on August 18, 2004, 01:27:24 am

That's just an optical mouse turned upside down. Mount the sensor in a round housing if you still want it to look like a ball...

On my Microsoft Wheel Mouse Optical, I get jerkey results doing that... it of course stops dead the moment the hand is away from the sensor, no follow-through at all, which feels unnatural. Plus one axis is backwards, but that can be compensated for in MAME. I think someone would have to write a special driver for it that would make the optical motions turn a virtual "ball" and have the trackball motion derived from the virtual ball and not from the direct input; otherwise it would feel too unnatural.

It would take up a lot less space than a real trackball, that's for sure.... hmm...

Sephroth57 · « **Reply #35 on:** August 18, 2004, 01:01:50 pm »

paige how do those 49 ways play on fighting games?

paigeoliver · « **Reply #36 on:** August 18, 2004, 04:14:33 pm »

I am not a fighting game expert, so I can't tell you for sure if it is any different. Plus, I only hooked up 2 buttons so far, so I haven't even tried any fighting games.

paigeoliver · « **Reply #37 on:** August 18, 2004, 11:22:59 pm »

Ok, I managed to SQUEEZE a 27" tube in there.

Yes, it is held in with zip ties, no it is not staying that way. (I sort of got it in there to see if it would fit and then couldn't get it out, I didn't need a TV anyway I guess).

paigeoliver · « **Reply #38 on:** August 18, 2004, 11:24:02 pm »

robot!

I think I am going to go ahead and add a vertical panel onto one side.

MinerAl · « **Reply #39 on:** August 19, 2004, 12:09:00 am »

Looks sharp!

Will you need a bezel when you're done, or will it just come to the edge of the glass?


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