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How To: A Cheap & Simple 1 Button Power Up/Down
« on: June 16, 2004, 01:23:23 am »
There has to be a dozen "how do you power up/down with 1 button" threads going on right now.  It is an interesting question everyone has when building a cab.  I sure did.   Everyone has a different way of doing it and most of them include either a fairly expensive "smartstrip" power strip and/or some building of relays or soldering stuff to your motherboard, etc....  I've asked the question in some of these posts about what I am missing because what I did is so incredibly simple and cheap, I have no idea why someone would do it differently.  Some people are doing it my way, but it seems like most are not.  I am conviced that this will work for 99% of the people out there using a Window PC to run their Mame....  I hate to start a new thread and will understand if the moderator kills it, but my posts in the other threads have gone for the most part unanswered, so I figured let me explain exactly what I did in a new thread - maybe it will help some people.  Obviously you should always be careful with electricity - so be careful (even though this is very easy).

First a quick explaination as to how you turn on/off my Mame machine:

Turn on - walk up, hit 1 button.
Turn off - Get out of the front end, which in turn shuts down Windows properly, and then hit that 1 button.

I assume this is what people want to do.  If so, read on.  How I did it:

Parts:

(1) I used a standard everyday power strip with everything in my cab plugged into it.  Any old powerstrip will do, heck - a $1 extension cord will work - I used a $5 powerstrip since it had some surge protection in it.

(2) a standard on/off pushbutton switch (not a temporary contact switch, it is always on or off).  I bough mine at Home Depot for $5.  You could do without a switch if your powerstrip has a switch on it and you want to hack that.  But I went with a $5 switch.  This is a similar one (this one only costs $1.50!):



What to do

(1) That on/off pushbutton switch has two wiring posts underneath it (well mine does, the picture above has two pair, similar idea).  The powerstrip cord has two wires in it (sometimes 3, the third being the ground wire).  All I did was cut 1 of the power wires (not ground) in the the power strip cord in the middle, connected either end of the cut wire to each wiring post on the button.  Like a house light switch, this switch just sits in the middle of the electrical flow and either allows the flow to go through (button "on") or stops the flow (button "off").  I installed the button on the top of my cab.

That's is all the electrical work I did, cut 1 wire and hook it to two posts.

(2) This part I have to assume is the "trick" that most people do not know about and then go through the hassle of soldering stuff to the motherboard, set up relays, etc?   Anyway, on the PC, turn on your power management settings in the BIOS (or CMOS).  What this does is boot up your PC any time power is turned on.  This is different than hitting the power button on the PC, which I do not have to do - it boots your PC up when power is applied to it.  As an example, what this esentially does is if you power down your PC and then  unplugged it from the wall, when you plug it back into the wall later the PC will automatically boot back up without having to hit the power button.  When I hit my on/off power button I installed on the cab  it is as if I just plugged it back into the wall in my example and it will boot right up.  99% of all CMOS' can do this.  The real purpose for this in a PC is some people want the PC to boot up just by touching the keyboard or mouse - this power management is what can allow this to happen.... but as a side, MAME benefit, it also boots up the PC when power is applied to it.

How to turn on the power management - this is where I can give you an example, but many CMOS' are different, you'll have to find out how to get into it and change it on your PC.  Another warning, you can mess up your PC if you change the wrong thing in the CMOS, so make sure all you touch is the power management.  Most computers will open up the CMOS if you hit the "delete" key as you first boot up the PC (sometimes it is the "escape" or "F1" keys).  The CMOS/BIOS will open up.  Same here, all CMOS/BIOS are different - but most have a "Power" section.   In there you will see the "power management" settings (it may be termed a bit differently in yours).  It is almost always set to "off" as a default, just turn it on, save the CMOS/BIOS setting and reboot.  This may sound confusing, but it is really a 5 second procedure.

- The monitor, marquee light, etc. all powers on/off normally.

How to use it

(1) Cabinet off... walk up and hit the button.  Everything powers on, the PC boots up.  If you have your front end in your "startup" folder, your frontend will start right up too and you are good to go.

(2)  After you are done playing, get out of your front end.  Now "most" front ends have a setting in it to do a normal Windows shutdown when you exit the front end (most of the ones I have tried do have that feature, I actually use Emulaxian).  If you front end doesn't have that feature, you can download a simple windows utility that will do that for you when you exit the frontend (if you search the internet you can find a ton of them... here is one, not sure how well it works - http://www.jaredshelp.com/Downloads-req-viewdownload-cid-1.html.  Once windows shuts down normally, just hit that 1 power button to turn everything else off.

So again, you walk up - hit the button once and everything powers/boots up.  Done playing, get out of the front end, windows shuts down, hit button and you are done.

Hope this helps someone.
« Last Edit: June 16, 2004, 01:30:41 am by REBIRTH »

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Re:How To: A Cheap & Simple 1 Button Power Up/Down
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2004, 06:57:37 am »
That method assumes that your motherboard supports restarting when ac is applied.

My cabinet has a switched outlet inside where the powerstrip is plugged into and everything is plugged into that powerstrip.  I used to use an AMD K6-300Mhz computer with an AT power supply so I could just give the computer some juice and it booted right up.  When I upgraded my cabinet computer (AMD 2000+XP), the new motherboard didn't have this ability.  I bought the Smart Strip LGC2 from Bits Limited so that I could turn on the computer and have the powerstrip then give power to all the other devices.  I picked up a small square momentary button from Radio Shack and wired it to the power pins on my motherboard.  Now I just press the button when I want the cabinet to turn on or off.

The knob is the volume knob I added when I added the red power button (it has a black print on clear tape label that I placed on the button).  The black rocker switch is for the switched outlet inside the cabinet.



Edit: I scaled that image a teensy bit smaller.  You can still see it full size if you click.
« Last Edit: June 16, 2004, 08:42:32 am by Peale »

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Re:How To: A Cheap & Simple 1 Button Power Up/Down
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2004, 07:33:54 am »
That method assumes that your motherboard supports restarting when ac is applied.


You are absolutely correct.  Most motherboards do allow this though.  Actually, I thought the AMD 2000+XP had a feature called "PowerNow!" which is AMD's power managements (works similar to Intel motherboards)?   AMD also uses ACPI as well, doesn't it - again, can be used fro the same purpose?  


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Re:How To: A Cheap & Simple 1 Button Power Up/Down
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2004, 07:47:31 am »
Nice write-up, a couple of points:
Anyway, on the PC, turn on your power management settings in the BIOS (or CMOS).  What this does is boot up your PC any time power is turned on.
If this doesn't work - most, not all BIOS will have a setting for "State after Power Failure" - OFF/ON.  Setting this to ON should accomplish the same thing, I think.
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Another warning, you can mess up your PC if you change the wrong thing in the CMOS, so make sure all you touch is the power management.
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But if you really mess something else up, you can usually move a jumper or (if unable to do this, remove the PC battery for a couple of minutes) and the system will clear out the bad settings and return to defaults.  Then you have to reset the old settings, assuming you can figure them out.
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Re:How To: A Cheap & Simple 1 Button Power Up/Down
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2004, 07:51:14 am »
That method assumes that your motherboard supports restarting when ac is applied.
You are absolutely correct.  Most motherboards do allow this though.  Actually, I thought the AMD 2000+XP had a feature called "PowerNow!" which is AMD's power managements (works similar to Intel motherboards)?   AMD also uses ACPI as well, doesn't it - again, can be used fro the same purpose?  
I think PowerNow was the feature on AMD's mobile (laptop) chips that allowed the processor to adjust it's speed and power consumption based on CPU load, not what you are talking about.  I could be wrong.

AMD does use ACPI, and I am pretty sure most AMD motherboards will support what you are proposing.
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Re:How To: A Cheap & Simple 1 Button Power Up/Down
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2004, 08:19:54 am »
Nice write-up, a couple of points:
Anyway, on the PC, turn on your power management settings in the BIOS (or CMOS).  What this does is boot up your PC any time power is turned on.
If this doesn't work - most, not all BIOS will have a setting for "State after Power Failure" - OFF/ON.  Setting this to ON should accomplish the same thing, I think.

Exactly - this is actually what my new MAME PC has.  My old one had your standard power management, the new one has this "State after power" setting which acts much the same way.

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Re:How To: A Cheap & Simple 1 Button Power Up/Down
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2004, 08:49:00 am »
Thanks for the guide.
I'll be using it for my cab.
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Re:How To: A Cheap & Simple 1 Button Power Up/Down
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2004, 08:54:50 am »
What has been said about the board needing the feature for restarting after power off is correct.  The boards that I'm using did not support this feature, hence my search for an easy, one switch approach.

No soldering was necessary, just had to jumper a capacitor over the power button pins.

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Re:How To: A Cheap & Simple 1 Button Power Up/Down
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2004, 08:58:29 am »
What has been said about the board needing the feature for restarting after power off is correct.  The boards that I'm using did not support this feature, hence my search for an easy, one switch approach.

No soldering was necessary, just had to jumper a capacitor over the power button pins.

Do you still have to push the power button to shut down your system with the capacitor?

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Re:How To: A Cheap & Simple 1 Button Power Up/Down
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2004, 09:01:02 am »
What has been said about the board needing the feature for restarting after power off is correct.  The boards that I'm using did not support this feature, hence my search for an easy, one switch approach.

No soldering was necessary, just had to jumper a capacitor over the power button pins.

Do you still have to push the power button to shut down your system with the capacitor?

I'm not using Windows.  Everything is controlled by the original JAMMA cabinet's toggle switch.  One flip, everything turns on.  Want to shut it off?  Reach up and flip again.  

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Re:How To: A Cheap & Simple 1 Button Power Up/Down
« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2004, 09:02:14 am »
Groovy.  After I re-read my question, it was a stupid one anyway. ;D

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Re:How To: A Cheap & Simple 1 Button Power Up/Down
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2004, 09:38:58 am »

(1) That on/off pushbutton switch has two wiring posts underneath it (well mine does, the picture above has two pair, similar idea).  The powerstrip cord has two wires in it (sometimes 3, the third being the ground wire).  All I did was cut 1 of the power wires (not ground) in the the power strip cord in the middle, connected either end of the cut wire to each wiring post on the button.  Like a house light switch, this switch just sits in the middle of the electrical flow and either allows the flow to go through (button "on") or stops the flow (button "off").  I installed the button on the top of my cab.

For the sake of safety, I think a little more explanation on the wiring is necessary. Note that working with household electrical is really easy but you need to know some basic information. The wire that you want to cut is the BLACK wire. Unlike with cars, batteries and other DC current devices, the hot side of house wiring is the BLACK wire. White is neutral and green is ground.

Now if you were to install the power strip by cutting the neutral wire everything would work fine except the power strip would always be

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Re:How To: A Cheap & Simple 1 Button Power Up/Down
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2004, 09:48:19 am »
I would think that if you followed basic safety precautions you won't have any problem either way.  Unplug your cab when you do any kind of electrical work.

It's still good information to have though.
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Re:How To: A Cheap & Simple 1 Button Power Up/Down
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2004, 11:43:51 am »
I want to clarify something because I think this is the way I'm going to go.  Basically you're re-locating the power switch of the surge protector.  So if I just turned off the surge protector/power strip after shut down I should in theory be able to just turn the strip back on and the pc should boot.  Is this right?  Sounds pretty simple if that is the case.  
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Re:How To: A Cheap & Simple 1 Button Power Up/Down
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2004, 02:04:28 pm »
I use Windows XP - in the control panel under Power Options, on the "advanced" page there is an option that controls what happens when you push the power button.  I have it set to "Shut Down" when I push the button.  Now when I'm done playing, I just hit the same power button that I used to turn it all on (I've got a SmartStrip) will now turn it all off AND run windows through an orderly shutdown.

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Re:How To: A Cheap & Simple 1 Button Power Up/Down
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2004, 02:29:29 pm »
I have mine set up the same way right now while it's sitting on my dining room table but I don't want to have to reach inside my cabinet to turn the machine on.  I and it seems a lot of people are looking for a simple way to  turn on the whole cabinet from the outside.
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Re:How To: A Cheap & Simple 1 Button Power Up/Down
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2004, 04:10:15 pm »
I agree, your method of powering a machine up is the simplest, and most likely cheapest method there is to control a cab. Some peoples MB's don't have the ability to turn on after power failure, or don't want to crash their OS by just turning the power off to their computer. There are just as many ways that people would like their cab to be turned on/off, and just as many solutions, each person just has to find the one that works for them.
Personally on my cab, I'm just going to remote a momentary button to where the current power switch is, and wire it to the power button header on my mb. I'm also going to use a 12vdc ssr I scrounged (out of a broken tv I got for the tube to fix my arcade monitor) to turn on everything else.
The only reason I prefer this is I still only have 1 button, it cost nothing (maybe MY way is the cheapest... ;)) and the most important is that if my kids playing the cab, and just walks away from it, power management will hibernate it after 30 mins of no use, saving me a few bucks on the power bill.
To each is own.

Woudln't it also be a good idea to take all these different and great ideas and examples and put them into a sticky or something?
I also agree that there have just been a TON of messages asking basically the same thing: "how can I turn my computer/cab on/off?" making up a faq of all them might help people out.

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Re:How To: A Cheap & Simple 1 Button Power Up/Down
« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2004, 05:01:12 pm »
I use a relay on my strip.  The power button on top of the cab goes to the motherboard power button.  When I want to shut down, I press the power button; Windows detects this and does a clean shutdown, and the whole cabinet powers off when the motherboard goes off.  Since my main cabinet users are kids, I knew I would never be able to get them to do a two-step "Exit the front-end and then power down".

Unfortunately, not all front ends allow a power-down in this fashion... :(
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Re:How To: A Cheap & Simple 1 Button Power Up/Down
« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2004, 09:03:02 pm »
I want to clarify something because I think this is the way I'm going to go.  Basically you're re-locating the power switch of the surge protector.  So if I just turned off the surge protector/power strip after shut down I should in theory be able to just turn the strip back on and the pc should boot.  Is this right?  Sounds pretty simple if that is the case.  

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Re:How To: A Cheap & Simple 1 Button Power Up/Down
« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2004, 09:10:02 pm »
I agree, your method of powering a machine up is the simplest, and most likely cheapest method there is to control a cab. Some peoples MB's don't have the ability to turn on after power failure, or don't want to crash their OS by just turning the power off to their computer.
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(1) I agree not all motherboards have the power managerment feature, but almost all Windows PC's do have it in one way or another (called different things, but do the same function).  

(2) As for crashing the OS - using my method, the windows OS shuts down normally - read my post again....  most front ends will put your Windows through a correct/normal "shut down", and if your front end doesn't, there are a ton of small utilities you can download for free that you can "attach" to your front end so when that front end stops running (when you exit it), it will automatically shut down windows normally.

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Re:How To: A Cheap & Simple 1 Button Power Up/Down
« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2004, 09:23:10 pm »
(2) As for crashing the OS - using my method, the windows OS shuts down normally - read my post again....  most front ends will put your Windows through a correct/normal "shut down", and if your front end doesn't, there are a ton of small utilities you can download for free that you can "attach" to your front end so when that front end stops running (when you exit it), it will automatically shut down windows normally.
But that assumes all your users follow that process.  For my home, where the cab is used by children when I'm not there, needing a "shutdown process" wouldn't work well, and the cost of a single relay avoids the problem of having a two step shutdown.

So that answers the original question, which was "Why doesn't everyone do this?"  Because people have different setups and different needs.
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Re:How To: A Cheap & Simple 1 Button Power Up/Down
« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2004, 05:43:11 am »
(2) As for crashing the OS - using my method, the windows OS shuts down normally - read my post again....  most front ends will put your Windows through a correct/normal "shut down", and if your front end doesn't, there are a ton of small utilities you can download for free that you can "attach" to your front end so when that front end stops running (when you exit it), it will automatically shut down windows normally.
But that assumes all your users follow that process.  For my home, where the cab is used by children when I'm not there, needing a "shutdown process" wouldn't work well, and the cost of a single relay avoids the problem of having a two step shutdown.

So that answers the original question, which was "Why doesn't everyone do this?"  Because people have different setups and different needs.

I completely understand.  FYI - I have 3 small kids that use this all the time without me or an adult there (well rthe older two turn it on/off and they are 6 and 8).  It isn't much of a shutdown process - they tell the front end to stop, which is easier then choosing and starting a game, then just hit the power button.  But I am the first one to admit that this doesn't work fro everyone, but I suspect it would work for almost everyone.  I'm actually a nerd that way, if I could build a relay I probably would just for the sheer "fun" of it.  I am not much of an electronics expert so I just went with the easiest method I could do.

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Re:How To: A Cheap & Simple 1 Button Power Up/Down
« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2004, 08:51:10 am »
I completely understand.  FYI - I have 3 small kids that use this all the time without me or an adult there (well rthe older two turn it on/off and they are 6 and 8).  It isn't much of a shutdown process - they tell the front end to stop, which is easier then choosing and starting a game, then just hit the power button.  But I am the first one to admit that this doesn't work fro everyone, but I suspect it would work for almost everyone.  I'm actually a nerd that way, if I could build a relay I probably would just for the sheer "fun" of it.  I am not much of an electronics expert so I just went with the easiest method I could do.
Well, the easiest method, of course, is to use DOS and a system with an AT power supply, which is how my cabinet was originally set up.  THis gives the most realistic arcade results, but again may not be the best configuration for everybody.  :)
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Re:How To: A Cheap & Simple 1 Button Power Up/Down
« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2004, 08:59:06 am »
Well, the easiest method, of course, is to use DOS and a system with an AT power supply, which is how my cabinet was originally set up.

Actually, the easiest would be to not use Windows, but that may not be feasible for a lot of recent sound drivers.

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Re:How To: A Cheap & Simple 1 Button Power Up/Down
« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2004, 10:13:59 am »
Well, the easiest method, of course, is to use DOS and a system with an AT power supply, which is how my cabinet was originally set up.

Actually, the easiest would be to not use Windows, but that may not be feasible for a lot of recent sound drivers.
??? Wasn't that what I said?
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Re:How To: A Cheap & Simple 1 Button Power Up/Down
« Reply #25 on: July 19, 2004, 01:59:46 pm »
would toggle switches work? i think they might, but they aren't momentary contact switches. hope they do. i'll probably try it. if they do, i'll hook my pc up to one. then design a whole new board with toggle switches and buttons to use on my desk. if i can only figure out how to hook up my printer... but i get really off subject...