2021: The year of no new innovation?

[pbj]

Let me know when Amazon will deliver a Mister for $35 in two hours.  I do laugh that the front ends are at least 20 years out of date but people are still excited about them.  Nothing wrong with getting excited about the latest round of 'next best thing' but I've been in this so long I've seen this cycle several times now.  DOS -> Win 98 booting to DOS -> Windows 7 -> 60 in 1s -> Pi -> Mister.

[javeryh]

For future projects Javeryh you should just wire your cabs with a JAMMA harness.

That way you can plug and play all of these new solutions.

You could plug in a PC, Pandora's Box, Arpicade, 60 in 1, real arcade PCB.

You would have a lot more options.

I intend to start a thread regarding that soon.

I'd love some details on this.  I've actually never used a JAMMA harness before and would love that kind of flexibility.  There are actually lots of options out there right now for a multicade set-up - I'm just trying to figure out what works best/easiest.

[Jimbo]

For future projects Javeryh you should just wire your cabs with a JAMMA harness.

That way you can plug and play all of these new solutions.

You could plug in a PC, Pandora's Box, Arpicade, 60 in 1, real arcade PCB.

You would have a lot more options.

I intend to start a thread regarding that soon.

I have to agree.  Gone are the days I'd consider an I-Pac or other keyboard encoder.  These days I wire up for JAMMA and use a J-Pac or similar for MAME, leaving my options open for other uses should the need/want arise. 

[yotsuya]

For future projects Javeryh you should just wire your cabs with a JAMMA harness.

That way you can plug and play all of these new solutions.

You could plug in a PC, Pandora's Box, Arpicade, 60 in 1, real arcade PCB.

You would have a lot more options.

I intend to start a thread regarding that soon.

I have to agree.  Gone are the days I'd consider an I-Pac or other keyboard encoder.  These days I wire up for JAMMA and use a J-Pac or similar for MAME, leaving my options open for other uses should the need/want arise.

^^^This!

Yep, I wire everything for JAMMA and just make my own adaptors. You can get blank JAMMA finger boards easily.


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[Mike A]

I will post a thread about this sometime this weekend.

It will include the use of fingerboards.

[bobbyb13]

For future projects Javeryh you should just wire your cabs with a JAMMA harness.

That way you can plug and play all of these new solutions.

You could plug in a PC, Pandora's Box, Arpicade, 60 in 1, real arcade PCB.

You would have a lot more options.

I intend to start a thread regarding that soon.

I have to agree.  Gone are the days I'd consider an I-Pac or other keyboard encoder.  These days I wire up for JAMMA and use a J-Pac or similar for MAME, leaving my options open for other uses should the need/want arise.

^^^This!

Yep, I wire everything for JAMMA and just make my own adaptors. You can get blank JAMMA finger boards easily.


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Leave it to those Japanese guys...

Unless you are going to be using analog controls for something then JAMMA does look to be the only sensible way to go as it stands today.

I'm still new, so looking forward to Mike A's thread.

[KenToad]

I really don't think Mister itself is all that innovative. It's the effort to understand and replicate the original hardware in fpga that's innovative. The Mister project and especially the De-10 nano hardware and accessories are just a shared testing platform. Fpga development definitely feels like an evolution of those exciting early days of Mame and console emulation twenty plus years ago. It's fitting that the mister interface even looks a bit like a text-based email client from the late 90's.

[opt2not]

For future projects Javeryh you should just wire your cabs with a JAMMA harness.

That way you can plug and play all of these new solutions.

You could plug in a PC, Pandora's Box, Arpicade, 60 in 1, real arcade PCB.

You would have a lot more options.

I intend to start a thread regarding that soon.

I have to agree.  Gone are the days I'd consider an I-Pac or other keyboard encoder.  These days I wire up for JAMMA and use a J-Pac or similar for MAME, leaving my options open for other uses should the need/want arise.

^^^This!

Yep, I wire everything for JAMMA and just make my own adaptors. You can get blank JAMMA finger boards easily.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Leave it to those Japanese guys...

Unless you are going to be using analog controls for something then JAMMA does look to be the only sensible way to go as it stands today.

I'm still new, so looking forward to Mike A's thread.

I’ve been telling people to wire their projects to JAMMA for literally years. Happy to see people are finally starting to listen.

As for analog, remember: some analog devices are actually wired through JAMMA. Look at the Taito spinner games, the analog signals for left and right (X and X-) are connect through the joystick directions on the jamma harness. So I wouldn’t worry too much for analog controls since there isn’t really a standard for that stuff.

[Zebidee]

I was just looking up finger boards on ebay and other online marketplaces and I kept seeing tiny skateboards that people use their fingers to play with. Holy crap, they have complete miniature skate parks available to play with. Now I'm expecting to see a Barbie & Ken roll up on their boards.

JAMMA FTW

For future projects Javeryh you should just wire your cabs with a JAMMA harness.

That way you can plug and play all of these new solutions.

You could plug in a PC, Pandora's Box, Arpicade, 60 in 1, real arcade PCB.

You would have a lot more options.

I intend to start a thread regarding that soon.

I have to agree.  Gone are the days I'd consider an I-Pac or other keyboard encoder.  These days I wire up for JAMMA and use a J-Pac or similar for MAME, leaving my options open for other uses should the need/want arise.

^^^This!

Yep, I wire everything for JAMMA and just make my own adaptors. You can get blank JAMMA finger boards easily.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Leave it to those Japanese guys...

Unless you are going to be using analog controls for something then JAMMA does look to be the only sensible way to go as it stands today.

I'm still new, so looking forward to Mike A's thread.

[Howard_Casto]

For future projects Javeryh you should just wire your cabs with a JAMMA harness.

That way you can plug and play all of these new solutions.

You could plug in a PC, Pandora's Box, Arpicade, 60 in 1, real arcade PCB.

You would have a lot more options.

I intend to start a thread regarding that soon.

I have to agree.  Gone are the days I'd consider an I-Pac or other keyboard encoder.  These days I wire up for JAMMA and use a J-Pac or similar for MAME, leaving my options open for other uses should the need/want arise.

^^^This!

Yep, I wire everything for JAMMA and just make my own adaptors. You can get blank JAMMA finger boards easily.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Leave it to those Japanese guys...

Unless you are going to be using analog controls for something then JAMMA does look to be the only sensible way to go as it stands today.

I'm still new, so looking forward to Mike A's thread.

I’ve been telling people to wire their projects to JAMMA for literally years. Happy to see people are finally starting to listen.

As for analog, remember: some analog devices are actually wired through JAMMA. Look at the Taito spinner games, the analog signals for left and right (X and X-) are connect through the joystick directions on the jamma harness. So I wouldn’t worry too much for analog controls since there isn’t really a standard for that stuff.

I get your point but just so we don't confuse the noobs spinners use an all digital signal.  They are two optical gates that send back a signal of on or off depending upon if the chopper wheel has put a wall between the emitter and receiver.  The combination of those two signals, essentially report back like two standard microswitches and the pattern of the current position is compared to the pattern of the previous position to determine if the spinner moved left, right or stayed put.

[Howard_Casto]

The crazy thing about 2021, besides the pandemic, is that there's a whole new console generation that seems like it will never be released in a way that prevents scalping. Also, that new console generation has no killer app or true innovation.

The new Xbox is so lacking innovation that I don't think the average person could tell the difference between the one that released in 2013 vs. the one that released in 2020.

Maybe the PS5 and the Xbox (2020) will be collectors' items as the lost generation of consoles?

If you are looking towards Sony and Microsoft for innovation then you are decidedly looking in the wrong direction.   Nintendo is the only company of the big three that ever tries anything new.   Sony and Microsoft are all about incremental improvements.....  This generation's console has X more processing power than the last ect.   Now that consoles can do 4k graphics we've hit a wall and companies will have to *gasp* focus on making good games and unfortunately Sony and Microsoft are kind of hit and miss in that department.   Regardless it's only a year out.... the games don't really start flowing till halfway through year two or sometimes year three.   

[dmckean]

The crazy thing about 2021, besides the pandemic, is that there's a whole new console generation that seems like it will never be released in a way that prevents scalping. Also, that new console generation has no killer app or true innovation.

The new Xbox is so lacking innovation that I don't think the average person could tell the difference between the one that released in 2013 vs. the one that released in 2020.

Maybe the PS5 and the Xbox (2020) will be collectors' items as the lost generation of consoles?

If you are looking towards Sony and Microsoft for innovation then you are decidedly looking in the wrong direction.   Nintendo is the only company of the big three that ever tries anything new.   Sony and Microsoft are all about incremental improvements.....  This generation's console has X more processing power than the last ect.   Now that consoles can do 4k graphics we've hit a wall and companies will have to *gasp* focus on making good games and unfortunately Sony and Microsoft are kind of hit and miss in that department.   Regardless it's only a year out.... the games don't really start flowing till halfway through year two or sometimes year three.

This.

Large mulit-national companies likes Sony and Microsoft are extremely risk adverse. They just want to milk their existing revenue streams for as long as possible.

[Titchgamer]

I allready mentiond 2021 is the year of the lightgun but another cool thing....

Sinden is working on PS2 as a GCON2 now to

[leapinlew]

I was Jamma Hesitant for years. I had the ipac thing figured out and computers were free at the time, so I didn't see the point. I'm still not into collecting boards, but I do like the simplicity of Jamma after the initial learning curve.