1UP Arcade is planning to sell full kits and cabinets!

[1UP]

For those who don't read the news page...

Plans are moving ahead on manufacturing our Pac-Mamea cabinets! Pac-Mamea was the first cabinet to feature an integrated set of rotating control panels, and now it will be the first commercially available cabinet to do so as well. We are currently talking with a cabinet maker to determine costs of fully assembled cabinets, and/or build-it-yourself kit versions, both with our one-of-a-kind, self-locking rotating design.

If you're interested, click here for more info, and to get on the mailing list if you would like to be notified when the cabinets are available. We are expecting to have the price set by the end of February, with cabinets available soon thereafter. Prices should be competitive with Hanaho's full cabs and SlickStik's kits.

Availability: The only thing that's holding production up right now is that my builder can't accept my 3D files, so I have to take the model apart and trace out each panel in CAD, then give it to him so he can run it thru his software to see how much wood and cutting time is required, and then give me a quote.  This should all be done within this week or next, and if the numbers are good, kits will be available early next month, with full cabinets available soon after.

Options: I intend to have either a yoke or steering wheel
option.  Pedals and 4-player controls would be an add-on thing that can be easily attached by the customer, but that will be available later on.

Quality: I will make them as cheaply as possible, while using the best
materials appropriate for the purpose.  I don't want to get a reputation of making cheap crap that falls apart quickly.  If you are thinking of these as cheap $30 Wal-Mart bookshelves, try mounting a control panel to one of those shelves, invite a few middle-schoolers over and see how long it lasts. These will be sturdy cabinets, and unfortunately the labor won't be cheap because they're not being made in a third world country.

Pricing: The prices I use right now should be interpreted as maximiums, not minimums.  I am estimating between $1000 to $2000 for kits, and $2500 to $3995 for fully built cabinets with controls, monitor and PC.  This is the price range I don't want to go over, in order to remain competitive Hanaho or Slikstik.  If I can sell the kits at $700 and still make a good profit, I will.  I'm sure I'd sell a lot more at that price!

I'm very excited to finally be able to offer my cabinets to the public.  I welcome any questions or suggestions that may result in an improved product!

1UP

[Minwah]

Fair play, if you can keep the cost right they should sell like hot-cakes

I prefer your design to the other pre-made / kit cabs available (not to mention the popular rotating CP), although I must say I won't be buying one as I've put too much effort into my own now!!

[1UP]

BTW, some of you on my mailing list are not getting my replies or updates because of some problem at SpamCop.  Somehow I have been blacklisted and anyone using SpamCop probably won't be able to get my messages.  I NEVER SPAM, and everyone on my mailing list is there because they specifically EMAILED ME requesting to be on my list.

If at any time my updates become annoying, simply email me and I will gladly remove you from my list.  I have nothing to gain by angering potential customers.

[shmokes]

Good Luck.  I am currently in the final stages of a cabinet inspired by Pac-mamea.  I began acquiring materials and planning/building late last spring.  As you can see by the time it is complete it will have taken me nearly a year due both to limited time available and a lack of experience with carpentry that makes things pretty slow going.

If these had been available a year ago I would not hesitate in buying one, and once I've got my cab complete I certainly won't hesitate to recommend your cab/kit.  I hope this turns out to be a successful venture for you.

[GGKoul]

Damm!!

And I was just about to purchase your plans so I can build my open Pac-Mamean.

[Harakiri]

What about the colours, Marquees, Bezels etc?!

Are they gonna be all the same or it's at clients choice?! The cabinet is beautiful but it'd be boring if everyone's gonna buy one of the same...  


Congrats, i hope that you reach europe soon!

[1UP]

What about the colours, Marquees, Bezels etc?!

Are they gonna be all the same or it's at clients choice?! The cabinet is beautiful but it'd be boring if everyone's gonna buy one of the same...  


Congrats, i hope that you reach europe soon!

I will have to find out about that.  If they routinely carry different colors of melamine, it might be easy.  Otherwise, laminating with custom colors will be an upgrade that will cost extra.

Marquees will probably be a standard design.  If you want a different one, there is always ClassicArcadeGrafix or some other printing service.  I have a lot of other stuff to take care of with this product without printing custom marquees.  Anyway, if I do it, it's going to be at Kinko's, so it'd be cheaper for you to do it yourself without me tacking a couple bucks on for doing the legwork.

[rampy]

Hey 1up,

Just wanted to wish you luck on your endeavor!  

Sounds really cool! Can't wait to see the pics of the first production model.

Will the plans continue to be freely available now that the kits/cabinet are a commercial enterprise?

Rampy

[1UP]

Hey 1up,

Just wanted to wish you luck on your endeavor!  

Sounds really cool! Can't wait to see the pics of the first production model.

Will the plans continue to be freely available now that the kits/cabinet are a commercial enterprise?

Rampy

That would kind of defeat my efforts...  The writeups on my site will continue to be available, but I pulled the plans a while back.

[Carsten Carlos]

Congrats, 1up! My best wishes for your plans.  

[paigeoliver]

I really like your cabinet because it actually looks like a classic cabinet (specifically it looks like you mated a Defender with a Centipede and then let Mr. and Ms. Pac-Man raise the resulting child).

The only thing I DON'T like is the large gap between monitor and control panel, but I could live with that since that is what makes the rotation control panels possible.

Also, did you know that most of my real life friends are familiar with your cabinet, and we regularly make jokes about insane things to do to top yours (which usually leads to insane ideas like "flip out STUN Runner motorcycle", "retractable dance pad", and "pop out skateboard", and "Final Furlong ride-on horse").

I of course could never afford to buy one of your kits or completed cabinets, but it looks really cool. Yes, I know I have a huge collection, but I have largely just CONSTANTLY traded and resold games, and don't actually have much cash invested in my collection. I have also been very blessed to have receieved a total of 11 different cabinets in the sub $25 range.

[menace]

Hey--good luck on your venture!--I'm not going to have to pay a royalty fee every time I play mine now though am I?   It may not resemble your cab but the trademark panel is there--I just hope you don't have any RIAA lawyers over there  

You should also formally request that all those who have a copy of your plans --namely the free ones (I do, and I even put the control panel in cad) do not distribute--might save you the hassle of tracking down some unscrupulous e-bayer.

[RetroJames]

Good luck 1UP.  Your rotating cp really inspired me.  Many happy returns.  1HookedSpaceCadet

[pointdablame]

Good luck 1up. Your cab was one of the first I saw when I got interested in my hobby, and I was thinking of a rotating CP for my next cab.  Of course, my first one isn't even close to done yet...... but I digress

Good luck and here's to hoping you can keep costs down and still make a profit (cuz maybe then I can afford to buy a kit )

[1UP]

The only thing I DON'T like is the large gap between monitor and control panel, but I could live with that since that is what makes the rotation control panels possible.

There is another purpose too, as I finally got my backsplash artwork printed--it's a good place to put some instructions!  The finished cabs will feature instruction stickers for switching the panels and running the FE in that area.

Also, did you know that most of my real life friends are familiar with your cabinet, and we regularly make jokes about insane things to do to top yours (which usually leads to insane ideas like "flip out STUN Runner motorcycle", "retractable dance pad", and "pop out skateboard", and "Final Furlong ride-on horse").

LOL  

I of course could never afford to buy one of your kits or completed cabinets, but it looks really cool. Yes, I know I have a huge collection, but I have largely just CONSTANTLY traded and resold games, and don't actually have much cash invested in my collection. I have also been very blessed to have receieved a total of 11 different cabinets in the sub $25 range.

We'll see very soon...

[1UP]

You should also formally request that all those who have a copy of your plans --namely the free ones (I do, and I even put the control panel in cad) do not distribute--might save you the hassle of tracking down some unscrupulous e-bayer.

I added such a warning a while back on the plans download page, and the plans have always carried the imprint "for non-commercial use only, DO NOT COPY OR DISTRIBUTE!"  You know, just in case people don't know what the copyright symbol means...

And yes, to everyone who has the old plans, PLEASE keep them to yourselves.  If I see them on ebay, I will ask them to be removed promptly.

[Stingray]

It's well outside of my personal budget range, but it's a very nice looking cab. Good luck!

-S

[1UP]

For those of you who fear they may not be able to afford the cabinets, I would not object to a possible monthly Ebay auction.  I was considering selling some via Ebay anyway...

How it would work is, I would put up a kit or cab with a Buy-It-Now price at full retail.  The reserve would be set at or just above cost.  Then you just jump in and see how low the price can stay!  If it gets too high, drop out and wait for the next auction.

I think this would be a fair way for folks to get a discounted cab, without being my best friend.  Of course, that would work too...

[Sephroth57]

soo... wanna be best friends?  

[Lilwolf]

dont mess with ebay to try to save others here money.  Make sure you make money for everythign your doning.

If you want to have a cheap alternative for the people who are around...  Sell the plans...  

There really is two markets.  Those who do it themselfs.. And those who don't...  Not to many swing back and forth (unless you REALLY drop your prices)...

but the price to ship wood is expensive.  So you probably wont be able to sell them cheap enought even in a kit to make it worth your time satisfying everyone here.

Last... wasn't about a year ago that you needed to be talked into NOT selling your cabinet... and you going off and making a buisness out of it... We are SO proud... All grown up an all...

[1UP]

dont mess with ebay to try to save others here money.  Make sure you make money for everythign your doning.

If you want to have a cheap alternative for the people who are around...  Sell the plans...  

There really is two markets.  Those who do it themselfs.. And those who don't...  Not to many swing back and forth (unless you REALLY drop your prices)...

but the price to ship wood is expensive.  So you probably wont be able to sell them cheap enought even in a kit to make it worth your time satisfying everyone here.

Last... wasn't about a year ago that you needed to be talked into NOT selling your cabinet... and you going off and making a buisness out of it... We are SO proud... All grown up an all...

Heheh, all grown up eh?    I won't be selling plans because it would make it too easy for someone to compete.  If I get a patent, I might think about at least selling the outdated plans.  Then they would have to be licensed in order to sell them.  But if someone doesn't care about the law, it still makes it too easy.

[soslo]

Good luck 1up. You and frosty were my primary inspirations for this cab: http://www.aaronmurray.com/default.asp?page=arcade/dans_cab.htm

Do you plan to offer some sort of wiring harness? That was a huge pain...and I made a nice harness. Spent tons of hours on it...

[1UP]

Good luck 1up. You and frosty were my primary inspirations for this cab: http://www.aaronmurray.com/default.asp?page=arcade/dans_cab.htm

Do you plan to offer some sort of wiring harness? That was a huge pain...and I made a nice harness. Spent tons of hours on it...

The plan is to use Ultimarc's MinIPAC, which is available with wiring harness.

[Sasquatch!]

Good luck, 1UP!  Yours is certainly a cab worth of commercial reproduction.

[Xiaou2]

 while im not personally interested in such a cab... there are those that would be.  

 i recomend making the cab wide enough to mount a 27" display in there.   Most fighters use 25" monitors.. and are much better visually.

 your current 19" ?  monitor mounted horizontally wont display verticals without too much shrinkage.

  with a 27" display mountd horizontally... youlll have a perfect 19" diagnol vertical picture - and a huge horizontal display to boot.  (good for tripple screen games too)

  the only other route is rotating monitors... which can be a lot trickier.
 
 i also agree with lilwolf.   only the wealthy without skillz will be buying these... the rest will try to duplicate it plans or not, on thier own.  Some may buy the plans though... as some like the ease, cost effectivness, and not having to re-invent the wheel.    

 so with that in mind... you'd want to make the thing decked  out...  not cheap.  or... make a few different models: 'cost effecient'  &  'no expense spared'  kinda thing.

[1UP]

 while im not personally interested in such a cab... there are those that would be.  

 i recomend making the cab wide enough to mount a 27" display in there.   Most fighters use 25" monitors.. and are much better visually.

 your current 19" ?  monitor mounted horizontally wont display verticals without too much shrinkage.

  with a 27" display mountd horizontally... youlll have a perfect 19" diagnol vertical picture - and a huge horizontal display to boot.  (good for tripple screen games too)

  the only other route is rotating monitors... which can be a lot trickier.
 
 i also agree with lilwolf.   only the wealthy without skillz will be buying these... the rest will try to duplicate it plans or not, on thier own.  Some may buy the plans though... as some like the ease, cost effectivness, and not having to re-invent the wheel.    

 so with that in mind... you'd want to make the thing decked  out...  not cheap.  or... make a few different models: 'cost effecient'  &  'no expense spared'  kinda thing.

I currently have a 27" monitor WITH enclosure mounted in my cab.  It takes literally every inch of available real estate in there, but it fits nonetheless.  (Looks SWEET BTW...)  I definitely will not be doing rotating monitors.

You wouldn't believe how many names I have of people waiting for these, with more requests coming in every day, all without any real advertising.  It will probably take a few months just to produce the first round of cabs, assuming most of the interest turns into actual orders.  I'm assuming most of those aren't CEOs, just folks who would rather spend the money up front for a quality finished product, rather than bit by bit while sacrificing a ton of free time.

[acejas]

what about us poor guys down under (Ozzie)?

Any plans for licensed distribution in Australia

Let it be known I'd be keen  

Once you wewre up and running over there

I'd also pay big US dollars for the plans just to build one myself. Something worth thinking about for us guys downunder

Cheers

acejas

[arcadecab]

1up,

Is it possible that the full cabinets will have a WG D9200 27" monitor?  It seems that the D9200 is by far the monitor of choice on the forums and I think any cabinet I purchased would probably have to have it due to the flexibility it seems to provide with the multiple resolutions supported, along with the positive reviews from others on the forums.
So basically, one could purchase a cabinet as shown, except for the Star Wars configuration, one could have a stardard Steering Wheel attachment, and also a 4 player configuration for the basic CP(8 buttons per player, etc.  similiar to the Slikstik Quad).
Good luck with the project--love the design.

[1UP]

1up,

Is it possible that the full cabinets will have a WG D9200 27" monitor?  

That is the plan.  I have a 27" VGA monitor and am very satisfied with it.

[arcadecab]

1up,

Good news on the D9200 monitors for the full cabinets.  Just another question, for the 4-player panel, will options such as trackball, spinner, 4-way joystick, player select buttons, etc. be included?  Basically, similiar to the Slikstik Quad control panel?
Also, on the website I noticed the Terminator 2 guns listed as a future project.  Looked extremely cool.  Is it possible that one of the full cabinets would have the 4-player panel, a steering wheel panel, and the Terminator 2 guns on the third panel?  That would perhaps be my "dream" setup.  Is that possible?
Thanks.

[1UP]

1up,

Good news on the D9200 monitors for the full cabinets.  Just another question, for the 4-player panel, will options such as trackball, spinner, 4-way joystick, player select buttons, etc. be included?  Basically, similiar to the Slikstik Quad control panel?
Also, on the website I noticed the Terminator 2 guns listed as a future project.  Looked extremely cool.  Is it possible that one of the full cabinets would have the 4-player panel, a steering wheel panel, and the Terminator 2 guns on the third panel?  That would perhaps be my "dream" setup.  Is that possible?
Thanks.

For starters, the panels will come in a standard layout, similar to what is on my cabinet now (panel 1 = fighter sticks and 4-way, panel 2 = trigger sticks, trackball and spinner, panel 3 = steering wheel or yoke).  I will know later if it will be possible to have custom or multiple choices for control panel layouts.

As far as T2 guns, unless someone starts making these, I don't see that becoming an option.  I have put my integrating my own guns on hold as there is currently no place to put them.  I would like something like the low-slung positional guns that I've seen  on some more recent gun games where you shoot from the hip, like on "Alien3 - The Gun".  This is not in my current plans, but I may ship with a lightgun option.

[arcadecab]

Thanks.
Just to confirm, when you mentioned the cabinets before, you stated that the 4-player cabinets would be from $2500-$4000.  So will the panel 1 be shipping as a standard 4 player control panel?  How many buttons per player? Or would that be a special option?
Hoping that the 4-player control panel (panel 1) will be a standard option, although on the website it looks like it is a two player control panel.

[1UP]

Not everyone wants a 4-player, so it will either be an option, or a different model.  My preference is to do it as an add-on kit, so if you later decide you want a 4-player, it's and easy retrofit.  For that matter, you could buy the kit and retrofit any 2 player cab into a 4 player.

The 3rd and 4th player controls will be added on the sides, so they will not be part of the rotating assembly.  The shape of the cab will also change slightly to allow for design improvements.  As far as I know, none of the 4-player games use more than 4 buttons.  I will plan for 4 unless someone speaks up now...

This is not just going to be a mass-produced version of Pac-Mamea folks, this is a whole new product, with a whole new website coming soon!

[Citznfish2]

how about a panel option for 2 player 4 stick games like Karate Champ PvP, Smash TV, Robotron, etc..

[1UP]

how about a panel option for 2 player 4 stick games like Karate Champ PvP, Smash TV, Robotron, etc..

Why would that need to be different than a 4 player setup?  The sticks would just be arranged so they work either way.  I don't think it would be cost effective to have a dozen different panel setups.  I'm trying to keep things simple here...

[Citznfish2]

how about a panel option for 2 player 4 stick games like Karate Champ PvP, Smash TV, Robotron, etc..

Why would that need to be different than a 4 player setup?  The sticks would just be arranged so they work either way.  I don't think it would be cost effective to have a dozen different panel setups.  I'm trying to keep things simple here...

well, i thought with a 4 player set up the 3 and 4 player controls would be angled, so the sticks are not parallel, while on the games I listed the sticks are parallel. I dunno about you, but it feels wierd to play karate champ and have my left hand 4 inches foward of my right

[1UP]

well, i thought with a 4 player set up the 3 and 4 player controls would be angled, so the sticks are not parallel, while on the games I listed the sticks are parallel. I dunno about you, but it feels wierd to play karate champ and have my left hand 4 inches foward of my right

Well, I'm not planning to angle the panels.  The whole idea of a cabinet like this is that it allows you to play almost every type of game, with the correct controls.  But even with 3 control panels,  there have to be compromises since it can't really have the exact control configurations of thousands of games, but it can get close.

So the compromise would be that the 3rd and 4th player controls are parallel and level with the 1st and 2nd.  This would allow 2 player 4 stick games, with the compromise that the sticks arent' spaced quite as close as in the original games.  It also would allow 4 player games, with the compromise that players may occasionally bump elbows.

I will endeavor to strike the best possible balance if people have suggestions on games that require special control configurations.  This was my whole design philosophy behind the control layouts I use, but of course, those layouts cater to the games I personally play most.  But if people have concerns about certain games, my ears are open, and I'll get roms for games I've never played if necessary to make this a more well-rounded cab!

But be advised, while I will make every effort to make the setup as compatible as possible, I don't want to add controls that are useful in only one obscure game.  So the 12" foot operated trackball is out!    I may allow the option to order rotary sticks instead of bat sticks, etc, but totally custom button and stick placements will be impossible.  Instead, I will provide layouts that are the most commonly used, and allow for the greatest flexibility, while not interfering with the proper play of the most popular games.

[CitznFish]

Sounbds good..Can't wait to see the final product.  Can you add a skill crane?

[1UP]

Sounbds good..Can't wait to see the final product.  Can you add a skill crane?

Don't give me any ideas...I'd add air hockey if I could.

[MrBond]

Good luck with your endeavor!  Your cab and website were an encouragment to my own arcade cab building.  

[Marc]

1up, I've got a couple questions/comments about the controls...  

1.) It looks like the Tron handles (looks like you'll be replacing these with trigger sticks) are a bit close together on the second control panel.  Is there anything keeping you from moving the right side one a little further over towards the right, besides the fact that the panel looks better when it's totally symmetrical?  It seems like 2 player games that use this panel might have the participants bumping into each other.     Moving the sticks further apart would also seem to leave more room between them for accessing the spinner and the trackball (looks kinda tight in there now)...

2.) I've seen that virtually all the combination control panels available today (with the 8 way sticks) have the 4 way stick way up at the top of the panel.  while this configuration doesn't look like an issue with a standalone controller(where the display is positioned wherever makes sense), with a cabinet setup it seems like this would have the player hunched over the control panel with their head right up against the monitor glass.  Is there some logistical problem with moving the 4 way further back into the center of the panel or even way back to the bottom side?  This seems like it would be a much preferable setup for the 4 way without interfering much at all with the 8 ways...

3.) With the steering wheel option on the 3rd control panel will there be any additional controls?  I'm just wondering what games will be of much use with just the wheel and no pedals...  

I'm a novice with this stuff, and to this juncture am not incredibly familiar with most of the games supported by MAME.  So I may be off-base here, but I'm a bit more concerned with having ergononmically comfortable and useable controls as opposed to perfect symmetry (for the controls) of appearance...

Just some thoughts.


p.s.  I also sent you email with these same comments
 
p.p.s.  By the way, guys, I'm one of the ones on 1up's mailing list and waiting anxiously for the production cabinets...    

[1UP]

1.) It looks like the Tron handles (looks like you'll be replacing these with trigger sticks) are a bit close together on the second control panel.  Is there anything keeping you from moving the right side one a little further over towards the right, besides the fact that the panel looks better when it's totally symmetrical?  It seems like 2 player games that use this panel might have the participants bumping into each other.     Moving the sticks further apart would also seem to leave more room between them for accessing the spinner and the trackball (looks kinda tight in there now)...

The only reason they are so close together is that I like to stand centered when playing 1 player dual stick games like Battlezone.  I don't know of any 2 player games that use trigger sticks, so this was not even a consideration.  (I know they probably exist, but I've never played them.  If you can think of any, let me know.)  

The panel was pretty much designed to play Battle Zone, Missile Command, Tempest, and Tron.  When I designed my prototype for this panel, I basically just held my hands where they felt comfortable, marked the board and drilled.  Actually, I did put a lot more thought than that into the layout of the Tron panel.  I measured it to be symmetrical and made sure there was enough room to mount the trackball in between.  The placement of the trackball and spinner were carefully considered, so that none interferes with the other.  There are several inches of spare room around my hands at all times.  I have never found this arrangement to be uncomfortable or awkward.

2.) I've seen that virtually all the combination control panels available today (with the 8 way sticks) have the 4 way stick way up at the top of the panel.  while this configuration doesn't look like an issue with a standalone controller(where the display is positioned wherever makes sense), with a cabinet setup it seems like this would have the player hunched over the control panel with their head right up against the monitor glass.  Is there some logistical problem with moving the 4 way further back into the center of the panel or even way back to the bottom side?  This seems like it would be a much preferable setup for the 4 way without interfering much at all with the 8 ways...

Something I've learned during this project, is that if everyone does something exactly the same way, then there's a reason for it.  Moving the 4 way down to the center brings it much closer to player 2's hand.  Bring it down to the front edge of the panel, and it's a fraction of an inch from his wrist.  This virtually assures that at some point, player 2's hand will bump the 4-way, which is daisy chained to player 1's stick.  Bumping elbows is one thing, it's quite another when you're actually moving the other player's joystick.  Take a look at the pic below, and tell me which position is least likely to cause problems:

Another reason for this arrangement is that it's usually better to have your buttons either directly to the side of the stick, or slightly lower than the stick--it's just more comfortable that way.  I would feel very uncomfortable playing Galaga with the stick down near the front of the panel.  Besides, my 4 way is only 2 inches farther back than the 8 ways.  I can switch from using the left stick to the middle stick without changing my position at all, other than a slight side-step to recenter myself.  Two inches is not enough to make you go from a comfortable upright position to hunched over with forehead pressed to plexi unless you're Mini Me.

3.) With the steering wheel option on the 3rd control panel will there be any additional controls?  I'm just wondering what games will be of much use with just the wheel and no pedals...  

I thought that I had mentioned this before but...pedals will be another add-on option.  I am devising a way to have them mounted on a base that clamps to the bottom edge of the front kickplate.  My intention is to make the wheel and yoke interchangeable, so you don't have to choose one or the other.  Of course, if you go for a yoke instead, you don't really need pedals, as the y-axis works well as an accelerator and brake.  I've personally used my yoke as steering wheel and accelerator in Spy Hunter, with good results.

[Marc]

Thanks for the responses.  They all make sense.  You *had* mentioned the pedals before, but it seemed like you meant they'd be available in the future and not necessarily along with initial cabinet builds...

And since I'm not the size of mini me I guess there's not an issue with the 4 way...    

[XtraSmiley]

I was going to buy a slikstik quad in 3-5 months time will ALL the fixins.  Price is not a barrier, but looks/functions/quality is.  I'm not sure I like the way your product looks yet (not that I don't like them, just not sure), but the functions are awesome.  Slikstik looks more professional, but I realize you are just starting (and that was your home one on the website).  I'd like to be kept updated on your progress.  Once you are done, if it looks like a pro job, I will not not let price be a factor in which product I choose.  Also, I'm looking at the kit as opposed to the fully built b/c I like to do a bit of it myself (even though you real "pros" like to build from scratch)!  Thanks, and even if I go with SS, you are doing a damn fine job!

[1UP]

I was going to buy a slikstik quad in 3-5 months time will ALL the fixins.  Price is not a barrier, but looks/functions/quality is.  I'm not sure I like the way your product looks yet (not that I don't like them, just not sure), but the functions are awesome.  Slikstik looks more professional, but I realize you are just starting (and that was your home one on the website).  I'd like to be kept updated on your progress.  Once you are done, if it looks like a pro job, I will not not let price be a factor in which product I choose.  Also, I'm looking at the kit as opposed to the fully built b/c I like to do a bit of it myself (even though you real "pros" like to build from scratch)!  Thanks, and even if I go with SS, you are doing a damn fine job!

Heheh...you should see what I have on my screen right now!    As I said before, this is not just a rebuild, but a whole new design!  I am taking several steps to ensure that my production cabinets will be worthy of your game room.

First, I am in the process of modifying my 3D model as we speak, adding improvements, removing unnecessary parts, drafting new and improved parts, evaluating new materials etc.  I am also creating new graphics to go on the panels and marquee, partly to avoid any copyright problems I would have if I marketed the cab with Pac-Man, Tron and -gasp- Star Wars graphics!    The new graphics will also improve the look of the product, and hopefully add a more broad appeal.  I do realize that my favorite games are not necessarily everyone else's!

I am also right in the middle of upgrading and finally putting the finishing touches on my home cab.  In the process, I am finding that certain parts have worn faster than I anticipated, and others have not performed as well as I had hoped.  While I am very satisfied with the layout of my controls, I am rethinking some of my control choices for functional and aestetic reasons.  All of these observations will result in improvements in the final product.

The third thing I will be doing is a little bit of lab research.  This means putting my finished home cab into an environment where it will be played constantly.  The plan is to finish the last little touches tomorrow, then haul my cab down to the studio in Santa Monica where I work, and let everyone do their worst.  I realize that it may end up getting damaged, but it will be worth it to discover how user friendly the rotation feature is, how often it gets used, and how much damage can be done by those who may be a little careless with it.  All this info will go into further design changes, for a hopefully foolproof product.

Once all this is done, I will spit out a CAD drawing, have the cabinet shop do the CNC programming, and start crankin' out cabs!  The final production model should have a lot more fit and finish, considering how many complements I get on the professional look (at least on the outside...) of my home cab.  My cab is a total homebrewed hack job, done with absolutely no knowledge of profesional woodworking -- imagine what professional cabinet makers can do with it!

Lastly, I will be using custom machined parts for the rotation mechanism, no more hacked Home Depot stuff!  This will result in a smoother, tighter locking mechanism.  All the externally visible screws and marquee/bezel retainers will be anodized black.  The marquee will probably be back-printed right on the lexan.

Have I convinced you yet?  

[SirPeale]

Good luck with your endeavor!  Your cab and website were an encouragment to my own arcade cab building.  

It's MrBond!  Where have you been?

[FractalWalk]

"In the process, I am finding that certain parts have worn faster than I anticipated, and others have not performed as well as I had hoped. "

Care to comment on what is not working well? I am nearing completion of my cab which mimics your design.  

[1UP]

"In the process, I am finding that certain parts have worn faster than I anticipated, and others have not performed as well as I had hoped. "

Care to comment on what is not working well? I am nearing completion of my cab which mimics your design.  

It's not really a lot.  The main problems with the old design were with the front door.  I found that unless I was careful closing the door after changing panels, the top edge of the door could end up damaging or ripping off the t-molding I used along the edge that rests on top of the door.

I have since remedied this by putting a beveled edge on the inside of the door's top edge using a router, and re-applying some iron-on edging to protect the wood.  This is a decent solution for my home cab, as the beveled edge actually pushes up the edge of the panel assembly if it is too low.  However, the melamine edging will show some wear over time.  In the production model, the security bar along the top will have an additional slanted lip welded on that protects the edge of the door and the panels.

The other problem I had with the front door when it was first installed is that it was much wider than it is tall, and the weight of the coin door tends to pull it downward, causing it to be a bit crooked when closed, and it didn't support the front of the panels properly.  I have addressed this problem on my cab by attaching a metal supporting bar below the door, and beveling the bottom edge like the top edge, so it is automatically pushed back up as the door closes.

In the production model, the door will simply be made taller, so that it is more square and there will be more hinge to support it.

And there are just a lot of little things that, while not really troublesome, just don't look as professional as I would like.  I won't go into them here, but they will definitely be addressed in the production model.  Also, by rethinking some of my design, I have been able to eliminate a lot of parts, which will make building cheaper and simpler.  Sorry I can't go into all of them, I've literally got a thousand things to do in preparation for production!  At this point, I'm trying to put my first cab behind me and move on to better things.

[arcadecab]

"I was going to buy a slikstik quad in 3-5 months time will ALL the fixins.  Price is not a barrier, but looks/functions/quality is.  I'm not sure I like the way your product looks yet (not that I don't like them, just not sure), but the functions are awesome.  Slikstik looks more professional, but I realize you are just starting (and that was your home one on the website).  I'd like to be kept updated on your progress.  Once you are done, if it looks like a pro job, I will not not let price be a factor in which product I choose.  Also, I'm looking at the kit as opposed to the fully built b/c I like to do a bit of it myself (even though you real "pros" like to build from scratch)!  Thanks, and even if I go with SS, you are doing a damn fine job!"

I was one, like Xtrasmiley from above, that was also looking at the Slikstik Quad controller based on its nice look and function (basically any button/feature you would want on one 4-player CP).  But if the 4 player CP (panel-1) of this cabinet can reach that level of build and button options (minus the trackball and spinner that are probably on a separate panel), I am all for it.  It will be interesting to see the finished plans.  Can you foresee anything that this cabinet and CP options wont be able to do compared to a Slikstik Quad CP and cabinet build?
A couple more questions:  I noticed that many of the MAME cabinets and CPs allow for a hidden keyboard slideout option to operate the system as a regular PC or for setup reasons, but then is extremely hidden for arcade applications.  Would this setup allow for a keyboard option?  I want to be able to operate the cabinet without a keyboard, but thinking it "may" be nice to use it if "needed".
Also, with the 4-player cabinet, would a 4 coinslot be available?
Those are the only things that I can think of that would hold back this design compared to others.  But based on these, I think this could very well be the "ultimate" cabinet build.

[1UP]

I was one, like Xtrasmiley from above, that was also looking at the Slikstik Quad controller based on its nice look and function (basically any button/feature you would want on one 4-player CP).  But if the 4 player CP (panel-1) of this cabinet can reach that level of build and button options (minus the trackball and spinner that are probably on a separate panel), I am all for it.  It will be interesting to see the finished plans.  Can you foresee anything that this cabinet and CP options wont be able to do compared to a Slikstik Quad CP and cabinet build?

Let's see: 4 competition sticks, a 4-way, a spinner and trackball.  I think I've got it covered.  But can you play Battlezone or Discs of Tron on a Quad?  

A couple more questions:  I noticed that many of the MAME cabinets and CPs allow for a hidden keyboard slideout option to operate the system as a regular PC or for setup reasons, but then is extremely hidden for arcade applications.  Would this setup allow for a keyboard option?  I want to be able to operate the cabinet without a keyboard, but thinking it "may" be nice to use it if "needed".

Keyboard access has not been a priority for me.  I usually only need it when I setup the FE for the first time, or add ROMS.  It would be difficult with my rotating setup to have the type of slide-out design most cabs use.  Since I only use my machine for what it was intended (gaming) I don't see the need to have it double as a computer desk.  That's one thing I think makes the Hanaho look cheap is the visible keyboard drawer.   Right now I have a small keyboard resting on top of the PC attached to the rear door, which really only takes a few seconds to get to.  The trackball and player start buttons act as a mouse.   If people think a slideout drawer is a necessity, I will consider adding it, but you will have some sort of keyboard access nevertheless.  perhaps I'll add a keyboard velcroed to the inside of the front door...

Also, with the 4-player cabinet, would a 4 coinslot be available?
Those are the only things that I can think of that would hold back this design compared to others.  But based on these, I think this could very well be the "ultimate" cabinet build.

I don't see why not.  I'm thinking the 4 player may be a more deluxe model, maybe with some other features as well...  

[1UP]

Just an update:

Well, it's the end of February but I don't have my quote yet.  There are two reasons for this: 1) I am scrambling to finish my home cab so I can bring it to work as a guinea pig starting this weekend.  This will only benefit the upcoming redesign!  

2) I am, well, redesigning the LOOK of the cab, as well as hopefully improving functionality.  While this slows things down a bit, it will make the cabs cheaper down the road than if I just crank out the kits "as is" and have to pay the shop to reprogram the CNC for the new and improved cabs later.

I still intend to have the cabs in production some time in march, and we will hopefully have a quote from the shop within the next week, once the distraction of my home cab is gone...  I'll be fixing it up until Friday, then it is what it is, and I'm on to the new cabs.

I am working right now to make sure that the Tron sticks can stay in the mix, and I also have some much bigger surprises in the works...let's just say that there may be more than just the basic cab to choose from for those who want something a little more fancy!  

[Lilwolf]

As for the keyboard drawer question above..

If you REALLY want the kick ass super setup... there are $40 (probably cheaper now) RF keyboards that would be a great addition.

Nice little addon so people can go 100% without opening the cab.

You might also consider adding a network plugin on the back at some point when selling it with a computer.  Really a useful touch.

[XtraSmiley]

Just an update:  ...for those who want something a little more fancy!  

Whoo-hoo, that's ME!  Can't wait to see the end result man!

[1UP]

As for the keyboard drawer question above..

If you REALLY want the kick ass super setup... there are $40 (probably cheaper now) RF keyboards that would be a great addition.

Nice little addon so people can go 100% without opening the cab.

You might also consider adding a network plugin on the back at some point when selling it with a computer.  Really a useful touch.

I am working on a keyboard solution.  As far as networking, I routed a slot down from the top edge of the back kickplate to allow my power cord to exit the cab.  It is more than large enough for a couple extra cords: network, gamepads, keyboard whatever you want.

[arcadecab]

1up,

"let's just say that there may be more than just the basic cab to choose from for those who want something a little more fancy!"

Perhaps you cant, but can you elaborate at all on the "fancier" cabinets?  That is perhaps what I would be looking for--very curious to see what surprises you have in store and I like the idea of updating the look.  Any clues or hints?  Cant wait to see what you have in store.  Keep up the good work.

[1UP]

I'll just say this:  I'm spending some time looking at the competition's cabs, looking at some classic and interesting looking cabs, and making my own interpretation of what a truly "ultimate" cab can be.  Some very interesting sketches on my desk...

[1UP]

Just a side note: The cabinet is a big hit at work!  By bringing it in, I have singlehandedly brought work to a standstill...and I haven't even unveiled the rotating function yet.  Just wait until I get those backlit Tron stick re-mounted...heheh!  

Finally, a way to show off my Space Ace skills!

[arcadecab]

1up,

Any idea when some pricing and final images will be available?  Especially the 4-player "deluxe" model that you are thinking of.
Any previews?
Thanks.

[dema]

Any idea when the prototypes are going to be available to view? Any idea when they'll go on sale? I'm holding off on building my cabinet until I can see what you have to offer. I'd hate to start work on a cabinet only to fall in love with something you come up with instead. Since this is my first woodworking project I'm starting to question whether or not I'm capable of doing things to the type of specs and quality I'd like to have when all is said and done.

[1UP]

Sorry, I've been busy with tax and legal stuff...    I should be drawing up the final design by the end of this week, and I'll send the CAD file to the builder next Monday or so.  He should be able to give me a quote within a day or two after that, at which point I'll be able to give a rough price.

I will have to have them build a prototype at my expense first, to make sure the quality is up to snuff and there are no production snags or hidden costs before I can give a final price or take orders.  But if all goes well, I expect to start taking orders by the end of March.

As soon as I have pictures or renderings of the production model, I'll post them.

[snekse]

But if all goes well, I expect to start taking orders by the end of March.

Did I miss something?  What's the latest update on this?

As for the "Ultimate Cab", here's my $0.02 - I was basically planning on using your CP, but in a 4 player theatre style cabinet in which the WHOLE CP rotates - no attachments required.  So it would look similiar to this:

http://www.dreamauthentics.com/index_mega.htm

But the section under the CP would be as wide as the CP itself.  This would allow plenty of room for a dual steering wheel CP and a Star Wars/Top Gun CP.

As for the pedals, if you're willing to forego a coin door, you could have an 'L' shaped "door" that flips down, pivoting on the "corner" of the 'L'.  Think corny computers fliping out of the glove comparntment of the Batmobile here.  Below is the best I can do to illistrate it at this time.

(The slash is the pedal)
 
Tucked Away

.     |
    /|
_____|

Pulled Out
    |
    |
    |_\_


If you needed to, you could place the pivot point a little further back inside the cab to compensate for the pivot not being at ground level.  I hope that makes sense.  Interested to know what you think of these ideas.  I'm several months away from starting my cab, so if I see yours and I like it, I'd much rather just buy a kit from you.  Yours is by far the best I've seen to date, but I'd really like to have the entire 4 player CP rotate.  It just seems to me like if opens up so many options that way.

Oh, one last thing.  The reason I was going to build a theatre style arcade is because I'm a Golden Tee fanatic and I had concerns over playing GT on your current setup.  I think the monitor angle (or lack there of) could be an issue.  Have you played GT on your setup yet?

Thanks for all your hard work and creativity.
-snekse

[1UP]

But if all goes well, I expect to start taking orders by the end of March.

Did I miss something?  What's the latest update on this?

No updates yet.  I am planning to get this rolling sometime this summer, but I can't tell you exactly when.

You may be interested in my plans for additional designs once I get the first line of machines cranked out.  Something like a rotating showcase cab may be next on my list...  

[AmericanDemon]

Uhm sign me up for that rotating showcase.

I wish there was a kit for a showcase.  

[snekse]

I wish there was a kit for a showcase.  

Just so I'm clear, is a showcase cab the same thing as what I referred to as a theatre style cab?

[AmericanDemon]

This is all about Showcase Cabs - http://www.arcadecontrols.org/yabbse/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=19851