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Who actually likes cocktail arcade cabinets?
« on: September 07, 2019, 10:00:33 am »
The actual usefulness of a cocktail cabinet is lost on me. I can't think of any situations that a traditional cocktail cabinet makes sense. Traditional meaning a cabinet where someone sits on one end, and someone sits on the other end. I've owned 3, and each time I think it's just a waste of space. That I can put close to 2 traditional arcade games in the same space.

I think they are cool cabinets, and definitely hit the nostalgia nerve, but for actual personal home arcade use? I'll pass.

The Joust cocktail cabinet, now that's slightly different and I don't consider it traditional. It's a little more efficient, but it's still not as good as a standard stand up machine.

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Re: Who actually likes cocktail arcade cabinets?
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2019, 10:41:43 am »
The actual usefulness of a cocktail cabinet is lost on me. I can't think of any situations that a traditional cocktail cabinet makes sense. Traditional meaning a cabinet where someone sits on one end, and someone sits on the other end. I've owned 3, and each time I think it's just a waste of space. That I can put close to 2 traditional arcade games in the same space.

I think they are cool cabinets, and definitely hit the nostalgia nerve, but for actual personal home arcade use? I'll pass.

The Joust cocktail cabinet, now that's slightly different and I don't consider it traditional. It's a little more efficient, but it's still not as good as a standard stand up machine.

you must not have ever been to a bar before.

these weren't for kids.

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Re: Who actually likes cocktail arcade cabinets?
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2019, 01:23:18 pm »
Iíve been $300 cash in hand for a decade on a Midway cocktail.  No luck.

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Re: Who actually likes cocktail arcade cabinets?
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2019, 01:49:36 pm »
I don't know about "useful"  :dunno .  If you can sit down comfortably and play arcade games that's pretty useful.  I have a nostalgic view of them because my friends and I used to sit together at them, play games for long periods of time and socialise.
 
I'm building my cocktail cabinet project with a large CRT because I really like the seated, top down view of the graphics on a CRT. But again that's nostalgia for CRTs for you, which is what we're all about here aint we?

ZapCon had a cocktail "lounge" area.  It was a good spot to hang out with guy's like Nephasth, spend time chatting and play cocktail pinball.  Beers rested on same :cheers:


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Re: Who actually likes cocktail arcade cabinets?
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2019, 02:59:57 pm »
That's a good point about the $300 cash in hand. They do seem to hold their value. The 3 I've owned were junkers that I had to restore and I had to pay more than a stand up and while they did sell for slightly more, it didn't' offset the extra controls and work.

I get that the idea is to put them in a place where you can park a drink on it. I also get that it seems like a way to monetize a table, which doesn't normally generate money, but it just seems like such a poor form factor for so many reasons. Despite what negative 1 says, these cabinets were in many places besides bars.

I'm decent at a few games, and the ergonomics of a cocktail are such that I wouldn't want to play any of my marathon games on one. I still like seeing cocktails and they still have a novelty to them, but I personally won't own one.

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Re: Who actually likes cocktail arcade cabinets?
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2019, 03:08:41 pm »
Beers rested on same :cheers:

Thatís the appeal to me of a cocktail...hence the name I guess.  I like the idea of resting a drink on it and not worrying about it spilling. :dunno

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Re: Who actually likes cocktail arcade cabinets?
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2019, 03:42:20 pm »
They take up way too much space.
I liked them growing up because they had 2 of them at the local Pizza Hut.
I own two cocktail tables. The space they occupy could hold at least 4 uprights.

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Re: Who actually likes cocktail arcade cabinets?
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2019, 06:13:09 pm »
Iíve been $300 cash in hand for a decade on a Midway cocktail.  No luck.

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Re: Who actually likes cocktail arcade cabinets?
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2019, 07:13:38 pm »
Certain games actually play really well on a cocktail. Cocktail version of Tetris head-to-head plays well (especially as a drinking game - do a shot on a tetris). Hat Trick (Sente) is better on a cocktail than standup.

Also, there are different styles of cocktails aside from the midway ones that support horizontal games.

Iím in love with the Japanese Sega classic Cocktail. It looks like the old Nintendo ones, but has a proper CP angle rather than being a vertical CP on the side.

TLDR; I like Midway cocktails for certain games, but I love the old Sega classic cocktails.

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Re: Who actually likes cocktail arcade cabinets?
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2019, 07:35:45 pm »
I don't find them particularly comfortable.... I guess they'd be ok for shorter guys. 

That being said you've got stuff like warlords and various other pong style games that just make more sense as a cocktail.  Also those new pac-man games ect. 

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Re: Who actually likes cocktail arcade cabinets?
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2019, 09:26:21 pm »
I like the Midway ones.
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Re: Who actually likes cocktail arcade cabinets?
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2019, 12:01:11 am »
The whole reason I signed up for this forum is that I plan on building my own cocktail cabinet for my remodeled basement.  I can't wait to get started (could use a lot of help from this site).  I remember playing on a cocktail table at so many places (supper clubs mostly here in Wisconsin) as a kid.  My wife remembers playing on one at the local Pizza Hut in her home town.  I think for a lot of people in the 40-some age range these are great conversation pieces and if you have the space fun to have.

Just my two cents, again, thanks to everyone.  Trying to get up to speed as quickly as possible so that we can get started with the project.  I have set up a raspberry pi to play games using my television and Xbox controllers, so I'm somewhat familiar with the process.  I plan on purchasing a cabinet versus starting from scratch (not sure who I am buying from yet).

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Re: Who actually likes cocktail arcade cabinets?
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2019, 02:06:14 am »
Zapcon reminded me theyíre uncomfortable as hell to play on, but I still want one.

 :dunno
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Re: Who actually likes cocktail arcade cabinets?
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2019, 12:44:24 pm »
They're low and don't block the view.

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Re: Who actually likes cocktail arcade cabinets?
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2019, 12:55:31 pm »
Tuffgong.

Where are you located in Wisconsin?

Make the pilgrimage here:

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,160862.0.html

Look at my previous party entries to get an idea.

I have a decent sized arcade room with over a dozen games.  I have a workshop that includes a small CNC machine and a CO2 laser.

I like helping other people and I like drinking too much beer.

Bring a six pack of Spotted Cow with you and have a good time. Bring your wife / girlfriend. Bring your kids. My parties include all ages. My friends all have young kids.

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Re: Who actually likes cocktail arcade cabinets?
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2019, 10:26:52 pm »
Mike A,

I live in Manitowoc.  I'd appreciate any help a fellow Badger could give.  I've been wanting to build a cocktail cabinet for years now, to remind me of all the good times up at the supper club north of Shawano we went to as kids.  I'd play the cocktail table as many times as my folks would give me quarters.  Trying to recreate that slice of my childhood for my kids.

Let me know where you are at.  I do have to work Saturday morning unfortunately.

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Re: Who actually likes cocktail arcade cabinets?
« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2019, 10:40:22 pm »
 I am in Illinois 6 miles from the Wisconsin border. You are about 2 and a half hours from me.
I would be happy to open up my workshop and help you out.
Whenever you have a weekend free just let me know in advance. A cocktail cab would be easy to knock out.

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Re: Who actually likes cocktail arcade cabinets?
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2019, 11:19:00 pm »
When i was younger, I loved going to a papa ginos pizzeria. They had a cocktail. We could play and have soda at same time while waiting for the pizza to cook.

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Re: Who actually likes cocktail arcade cabinets?
« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2019, 11:01:39 pm »
In the early days, many places might have one game (or none). You could drink and eat while playing, and it kept the kids busier. But it was a tight thing. By the late 80s, lots of smaller places had an upright or two, or nothing because a table made more money than a cocktail.


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Re: Who actually likes cocktail arcade cabinets?
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2019, 02:09:19 am »
I like them, No interested in paying the price they command though.

Some day I'll build one.. it doesn't seem like it would be difficult.. glass top be the hardest part I think.

They're functional.. the name "cocktail cab" says it all.. an arcade game that encourages you to sit drinks.. or food.. or what on it.

I would not try to put guns, track balls, and wheels on it..

Classic Jamma loadout.. 3+start with a 4/8way quick switch on it.. ya sound pretty sweet to me.
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Re: Who actually likes cocktail arcade cabinets?
« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2019, 01:13:03 pm »
Mike A,

I will definitely be in touch and would love to drive down and work together.  I really appreciate it.  I'll PM you so that we can share contact info.  Thanks again, can't wait!

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Re: Who actually likes cocktail arcade cabinets?
« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2019, 05:39:51 pm »
Ok. Some folks really like the cocktail cabinets. What ones are the preferred?

Midway Cocktail seems to be the standard

These were awful


Red Tents are also not a good cabinet to me.



The best one I think is the Joust cocktail. Never owned one though, so maybe I'd dislike it or like it even more


Am I missing any designs

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Re: Who actually likes cocktail arcade cabinets?
« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2019, 05:51:20 pm »
Red tent takes up so much room that it's unreal.  I got 2 pinball machines and a Guerrilla War into the space that thing killed.  Vs. Excite Bike is EXACTLY the same as the console game and bored everyone quickly.  Dr. Mario has loud, 30 second music that loops nonstop.  Vs. Super Mario Bros changes the levels up just enough to piss you off and doesn't play well on a joystick anyway.  In high school, I used to play a red tent converted to Alien vs Predator that was pretty damn cool, though.


I've owned a couple of those Taito type.  Phoenix and....? Tough on the wrists and way too big for the size of the monitor.


I had a Nintendo Donkey Kong 3 cocktail that I bought for something like $50 at a Super Auction and immediately flipped without ever touching it.  Always kinda regretted that.  I bet that board was easily converted back to DK1, too, and I'm almost afraid to google it.








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Re: Who actually likes cocktail arcade cabinets?
« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2019, 05:51:43 pm »
The Joust one would be my preference. The things that would negatively impact the comfort, would be poor height/ergonomics.

That first one, looked like the joy is angled vertically?! The second has more comfortable controls, but is just ugly to me. Might as well have a standup at that point.

The other issue I recall was the controls being nested uncomfortable under plexiglass on some.

I've been musing about making a cocktail cabinet someday though. The design is nice because it can potentially sit against a wall, throw a cover over the top and you have a 'table'. The downside to that is...most horizontal surfaces will accumulate clutter in no time. Which means you have to remove all the "stuff", if you want to play games. Which likely means you ended up with a an expensive table. On the plus side, it could be a great way for me to have a cab with some dedicated vertical games, and/or controls. Maybe a Defender layout on one side, Missile Command/Centipede on the other.

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Re: Who actually likes cocktail arcade cabinets?
« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2019, 05:55:01 pm »
These were awful


Yes, those were.  But the Sega versions (T-13's) were vastly better in design for the control panel angle and horizontal screen orientation:





They also had 2P on one side CP's:



The "candy" version of the Aero City cocktail (T-26) is pretty awesome. It hosts a whoppin' 26 in screen, 2p panel and attached speakers:






Besides the tried and true Midway cocktails, These 2 Sega ones are my favorite as well.

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Re: Who actually likes cocktail arcade cabinets?
« Reply #25 on: September 10, 2019, 06:37:00 pm »
I kind of like this one.


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Re: Who actually likes cocktail arcade cabinets?
« Reply #26 on: September 10, 2019, 06:53:29 pm »
I kind of like this one.



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Re: Who actually likes cocktail arcade cabinets?
« Reply #27 on: September 10, 2019, 07:56:07 pm »
From an aesthetics perspective, any of the ones that look like a converted school desk with the metal legs, are ugly to me. The cleanest of those were the candy versions which I've never seen in the wild.

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Re: Who actually likes cocktail arcade cabinets?
« Reply #28 on: September 10, 2019, 09:35:38 pm »
I kind of like this one.



I was  going to make a joke about how "if a flat surface exists, people have ---fouled up beyond all recognition--- on it" but figured I'd give  it a rest. And here you go and show all the 38 year Olds how they were conceived.
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Re: Who actually likes cocktail arcade cabinets?
« Reply #29 on: September 11, 2019, 12:50:06 am »
I love Midway cocktails. Damn sexy cabs.

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Re: Who actually likes cocktail arcade cabinets?
« Reply #30 on: September 11, 2019, 01:51:07 am »
Pacman cocktail.. IMO it's the best design (for a cocktail)

Vertical screen, sit's like a table, simple flat glass top says "sit your drink here dude."
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Re: Who actually likes cocktail arcade cabinets?
« Reply #31 on: September 11, 2019, 02:48:38 am »
lew: If you don't like the stock cocktail cabs, you can BYOAC.

I like this one. It's jkdubb's aptly named '16x9 Cocktail Table Project'.



                  

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Re: Who actually likes cocktail arcade cabinets?
« Reply #32 on: September 11, 2019, 10:51:01 am »
Pacman cocktail.. IMO it's the best design (for a cocktail)

Vertical screen, sit's like a table, simple flat glass top says "sit your drink here dude."

Indeed. That's why I built one.


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Re: Who actually likes cocktail arcade cabinets?
« Reply #33 on: September 11, 2019, 11:21:04 am »
Pacman cocktail.. IMO it's the best design (for a cocktail)

Vertical screen, sit's like a table, simple flat glass top says "sit your drink here dude."

Indeed. That's why I built one.



Beautiful.

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Re: Who actually likes cocktail arcade cabinets?
« Reply #34 on: September 11, 2019, 11:23:41 am »
And here you go and show all the 38 year Olds how they were conceived.

Oh man, that cracked me up.

Back on topic, that jkdubb cocktail cabinet is slick. Looks more like furniture than arcade, but I still like it.

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Re: Who actually likes cocktail arcade cabinets?
« Reply #35 on: September 11, 2019, 11:39:35 am »
Indeed. That's why I built one.

Does the Trinitron tube bother you at all in vertical?  I've been collecting CRT's for the last year, and I was told that vertical games on the Sony Aperture grill with the straight vertical glass (left and right in vertical games) was distracting.  Curious to hear your experience.

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« Reply #36 on: September 11, 2019, 12:09:32 pm »
Indeed. That's why I built one.

Does the Trinitron tube bother you at all in vertical?  I've been collecting CRT's for the last year, and I was told that vertical games on the Sony Aperture grill with the straight vertical glass (left and right in vertical games) was distracting.  Curious to hear your experience.

Hasn't bothered me. I'm not even sure what the tube is tbh. I bought it from 8liners years back. I do have an issue with the coin door causing discoloration in the corner of the screen where the mechs are closest to the tube.

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Re: Who actually likes cocktail arcade cabinets?
« Reply #37 on: September 11, 2019, 12:26:16 pm »
Indeed. That's why I built one.

Does the Trinitron tube bother you at all in vertical?  I've been collecting CRT's for the last year, and I was told that vertical games on the Sony Aperture grill with the straight vertical glass (left and right in vertical games) was distracting.  Curious to hear your experience.

Hasn't bothered me. I'm not even sure what the tube is tbh. I bought it from 8liners years back. I do have an issue with the coin door causing discoloration in the corner of the screen where the mechs are closest to the tube.

Is that a scratch build or was it a kit?  It looks factory fresh.

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Re: Who actually likes cocktail arcade cabinets?
« Reply #38 on: September 11, 2019, 12:49:44 pm »
Indeed. That's why I built one.

Does the Trinitron tube bother you at all in vertical?  I've been collecting CRT's for the last year, and I was told that vertical games on the Sony Aperture grill with the straight vertical glass (left and right in vertical games) was distracting.  Curious to hear your experience.

Hasn't bothered me. I'm not even sure what the tube is tbh. I bought it from 8liners years back. I do have an issue with the coin door causing discoloration in the corner of the screen where the mechs are closest to the tube.

Is that a scratch build or was it a kit?  It looks factory fresh.

Scratch build. Stained oak plywood and parts from pac-man.com, Happ, etc.

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Re: Who actually likes cocktail arcade cabinets?
« Reply #39 on: September 11, 2019, 12:50:43 pm »
Shut it lew.  Red tents are the best Nintendo cabs.  Fight me!   ;)

I'm with the any horizontal cocktail looks awful camp.  They are uncomfortable to play at for long sessions, but the midway ones look great and are the closest thing to furniture.