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Sinden Lightgun Kickstarter date revealed!
« on: March 14, 2019, 07:39:11 am »
Thought I would start a new info thread on this as lots of people have been asking.

So Andy put out a mail today to say he is planing on launching the KS on the 13/14th April.

He has confirmed that the PCB has now be fully tested and is now production ready working on the Pi and the PC. He has also confirmed the gun will be as per the last lot of prototype videos:

Assignable trigger, Pump action, 2 buttons each side AND a small cluster of Up, Down, Left, Right buttons.

In additional news he is also looking at implementing a option for a "innovative recoil solution" to those who want it. I have no idea what that is at this time but hopfully he will release more details on that soon.
He has stated though that it will not be prioritized over the main project which obviously makes sense.

So all pretty exciting stuff.

He has also promised a detailed performance video to come soon.

So there we have it, I am excited :D

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Re: Sinden Lightgun Kickstarter date revealed!
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2019, 07:49:05 am »
Tell him to sell his IP to a company that can actually produce a product. Production of small run items is not profitable. He will get mired down in fundraising and production problems. Neither of which he has any experience with. He should try to sell what he has to someone else.

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Re: Sinden Lightgun Kickstarter date revealed!
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2019, 10:29:10 am »
Tell him to sell his IP to a company that can actually produce a product. Production of small run items is not profitable. He will get mired down in fundraising and production problems. Neither of which he has any experience with. He should try to sell what he has to someone else.

Dont think he has any intent of that.

Its his baby and he wants to make the best lightgun solution and make it compatible with as much as he can.

If he sold the idea to a company they would just take it as is and throw them out making max profit in the mean time.
There would be no future updates or systems supported.

As a end user that would be the worse thing imo.

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Re: Sinden Lightgun Kickstarter date revealed!
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2019, 10:34:07 am »
If history is any indication, this has about a zero percent chance of success. And I am rounding up. I hope I am wrong.

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Re: Sinden Lightgun Kickstarter date revealed!
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2019, 10:49:07 am »
You lost me at Kickstarter.  I will not be burnt again.

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Re: Sinden Lightgun Kickstarter date revealed!
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2019, 11:27:44 am »
The kickstarter thing is a bit worrying, but he does seem very committed and it looks to me like he has learnt from his previous failed one.

I'd definitely rather just buy it but if this is the only way to get a working lightgun then I think its worth a little risk.

Its interesting that PDP are releasing the Mars lightgun soon (ish) as well. Maybe the time is right for a revival!
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Sinden Lightgun Kickstarter date revealed!
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2019, 11:51:43 am »
2019 year of the lightgun!

I get the hatred towards crowd funding.
Lots of people have been stung by it even by companies they thought they could trust....

But on the flip side there is honest companies on there to.

I have backed a few different campaigns so far and all of them have come through for me so far.

Fingers crossed I stay lucky with it.
« Last Edit: March 14, 2019, 01:25:00 pm by Titchgamer »

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Re: Sinden Lightgun Kickstarter date revealed!
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2019, 06:41:37 pm »
Great news!  I'm not a huge fan of Kickstarter but it has it's benefits.  So far I have not been burned on anything I've KS backed.  But I also won't pledge more than I am prepared to lose.  I'm prepared to take a fair chance for this, it's been something I've been waiting for for a long time.

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Re: Sinden Lightgun Kickstarter date revealed!
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2019, 06:44:04 pm »
Not to be a drag on this, because I'm excited to see what can be brought to the market, but didn't he ask for over $300,000 on his last kick starter? how is that not looking to make max profit?

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Re: Sinden Lightgun Kickstarter date revealed!
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2019, 06:51:53 pm »
Not to be a drag on this, because I'm excited to see what can be brought to the market, but didn't he ask for over $300,000 on his last kick starter? how is that not looking to make max profit?

Well from my understanding that was including further development costs, prototypeing etc.

He has since forked all of that out of his own pocket and had a PCB manufactured and a prototype shell etc produced so I am guessing it will be less this time around but the guys still got to try and recoup his money.

Hell hes spent years developing this thing on his own without any sort of financial reward so why shouldnt he hope to make a few quid?

I dunno but thats my take on it.

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Re: Sinden Lightgun Kickstarter date revealed!
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2019, 10:53:27 pm »
Not to be a dick, but you recoup your development costs by selling your product.  If he's got the guns working and ready for production then it's time to just sell them, not try another kickstarter.  If he isn't that far long, like Mike said, without the aid of a manufacturer this probably isn't going to get built. 

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Re: Sinden Lightgun Kickstarter date revealed!
« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2019, 03:38:57 am »
Not to be a dick, but you recoup your development costs by selling your product.

Exactly, But you need a product to sell and manufacture of PCBs and moulded shells aint cheap.


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Re: Sinden Lightgun Kickstarter date revealed!
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2019, 05:07:27 am »
I dont want to sound rude, but I just can`t imagine he bought expensive equipment, if there are companies that make you custom pcbs and send them to you for very little money. It would not be very economic for such a small batch product to get loads of machinery. I'm guessing most of his investment was his time. If you tinker a little, you probably have tools like a 3d printer at home.
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Re: Sinden Lightgun Kickstarter date revealed!
« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2019, 05:21:40 am »
I dont want to sound rude, but I just can`t imagine he bought expensive equipment, if there are companies that make you custom pcbs and send them to you for very little money. It would not be very economic for such a small batch product to get loads of machinery. I'm guessing most of his investment was his time. If you tinker a little, you probably have tools like a 3d printer at home.

Yeah but you cant mass produce gun shells with a 3D printer.
And the software creation side of things has literally taken him years.

Not really sure why everyone is being so negative about this, If you dont want to back the KS dont its a simple risk vs reward thing.

We dont even know how much hes asking for atm but if you lot can do better with less then why aint you posting about it or selling the idea to Nintendo or Sony?

Everyone is moaning they want a good lightgun solution that works well.
So I have provided a update on one someone has tried to make but he aint a multi national and needs some support.

This is a opportunity for a well supported solution with what I think is going to be a sort of open source software so the community can get behind it to make improvements and continue development for future platforms and solutions.

The dude may make the best lightgun in the world or he may do a bunk to Hawaii who knows but if he aint given a chance then we will never know will we?




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Re: Sinden Lightgun Kickstarter date revealed!
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2019, 06:14:39 am »
Maybe I was a bit harsh, I just have a bad gut feeling, that if he (maybe already) spent too much on tooling, parts & r&d, and he has to set the price too high, very few people are going to buy the gun.

I don`t think you cant print 3d models in higher volume, look at the different sla printers. They can very high quality, very detailed parts. I think it would really make sense to wait until he sees how many ppl are going to back the kickstarter, and then decide wether or not he gets e.g. injection molded pieces.

But lets see, only one more month to go.

P.S.: I`m hoping that this is going to be a great product, too.
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Re: Sinden Lightgun Kickstarter date revealed!
« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2019, 08:40:38 am »
If youíve ever tried to order anything from Alibaba then youíd see they want a large volume order on anything custom.  There would be considerable up front cost to get a commitment from a manufacture in China.  While printing the shells may work a few orders, itís still inferior to injection and can not nearly keep up with a large volume demand.

Iím with Titch on this, seems like itís a simple choice of back it or donít, but since no one has built a viable alternative I say give the guy a shot.  Early work looks promising.  My only hesitation would be the white border thing, Iím sure you get use to it but my initial reaction was blah as I really hate messing with the image in any way.

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Re: Sinden Lightgun Kickstarter date revealed!
« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2019, 08:58:30 am »
If I am honest you dont notice the white border once you get going.

The thickness of the border is variable but I think it depends on the environmental conditions how thick it needs to be.
Light levels etc.

I think he is looking at different methods in the future but dont think its high on the list.