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Sinden Lightgun Kickstarter date revealed!
« on: March 14, 2019, 07:39:11 am »
Thought I would start a new info thread on this as lots of people have been asking.

So Andy put out a mail today to say he is planing on launching the KS on the 13/14th April.

He has confirmed that the PCB has now be fully tested and is now production ready working on the Pi and the PC. He has also confirmed the gun will be as per the last lot of prototype videos:

Assignable trigger, Pump action, 2 buttons each side AND a small cluster of Up, Down, Left, Right buttons.

In additional news he is also looking at implementing a option for a "innovative recoil solution" to those who want it. I have no idea what that is at this time but hopfully he will release more details on that soon.
He has stated though that it will not be prioritized over the main project which obviously makes sense.

So all pretty exciting stuff.

He has also promised a detailed performance video to come soon.

So there we have it, I am excited :D

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Re: Sinden Lightgun Kickstarter date revealed!
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2019, 07:49:05 am »
Tell him to sell his IP to a company that can actually produce a product. Production of small run items is not profitable. He will get mired down in fundraising and production problems. Neither of which he has any experience with. He should try to sell what he has to someone else.

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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2019, 10:29:10 am »
Tell him to sell his IP to a company that can actually produce a product. Production of small run items is not profitable. He will get mired down in fundraising and production problems. Neither of which he has any experience with. He should try to sell what he has to someone else.

Dont think he has any intent of that.

Its his baby and he wants to make the best lightgun solution and make it compatible with as much as he can.

If he sold the idea to a company they would just take it as is and throw them out making max profit in the mean time.
There would be no future updates or systems supported.

As a end user that would be the worse thing imo.

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Re: Sinden Lightgun Kickstarter date revealed!
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2019, 10:34:07 am »
If history is any indication, this has about a zero percent chance of success. And I am rounding up. I hope I am wrong.

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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2019, 10:49:07 am »
You lost me at Kickstarter.  I will not be burnt again.

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Re: Sinden Lightgun Kickstarter date revealed!
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2019, 11:27:44 am »
The kickstarter thing is a bit worrying, but he does seem very committed and it looks to me like he has learnt from his previous failed one.

I'd definitely rather just buy it but if this is the only way to get a working lightgun then I think its worth a little risk.

Its interesting that PDP are releasing the Mars lightgun soon (ish) as well. Maybe the time is right for a revival!
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Sinden Lightgun Kickstarter date revealed!
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2019, 11:51:43 am »
2019 year of the lightgun!

I get the hatred towards crowd funding.
Lots of people have been stung by it even by companies they thought they could trust....

But on the flip side there is honest companies on there to.

I have backed a few different campaigns so far and all of them have come through for me so far.

Fingers crossed I stay lucky with it.
« Last Edit: March 14, 2019, 01:25:00 pm by Titchgamer »

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Re: Sinden Lightgun Kickstarter date revealed!
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2019, 06:41:37 pm »
Great news!  I'm not a huge fan of Kickstarter but it has it's benefits.  So far I have not been burned on anything I've KS backed.  But I also won't pledge more than I am prepared to lose.  I'm prepared to take a fair chance for this, it's been something I've been waiting for for a long time.

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« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2019, 06:44:04 pm »
Not to be a drag on this, because I'm excited to see what can be brought to the market, but didn't he ask for over $300,000 on his last kick starter? how is that not looking to make max profit?

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« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2019, 06:51:53 pm »
Not to be a drag on this, because I'm excited to see what can be brought to the market, but didn't he ask for over $300,000 on his last kick starter? how is that not looking to make max profit?

Well from my understanding that was including further development costs, prototypeing etc.

He has since forked all of that out of his own pocket and had a PCB manufactured and a prototype shell etc produced so I am guessing it will be less this time around but the guys still got to try and recoup his money.

Hell hes spent years developing this thing on his own without any sort of financial reward so why shouldnt he hope to make a few quid?

I dunno but thats my take on it.

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Re: Sinden Lightgun Kickstarter date revealed!
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2019, 10:53:27 pm »
Not to be a dick, but you recoup your development costs by selling your product.  If he's got the guns working and ready for production then it's time to just sell them, not try another kickstarter.  If he isn't that far long, like Mike said, without the aid of a manufacturer this probably isn't going to get built. 

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Re: Sinden Lightgun Kickstarter date revealed!
« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2019, 03:38:57 am »
Not to be a dick, but you recoup your development costs by selling your product.

Exactly, But you need a product to sell and manufacture of PCBs and moulded shells aint cheap.


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Re: Sinden Lightgun Kickstarter date revealed!
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2019, 05:07:27 am »
I dont want to sound rude, but I just can`t imagine he bought expensive equipment, if there are companies that make you custom pcbs and send them to you for very little money. It would not be very economic for such a small batch product to get loads of machinery. I'm guessing most of his investment was his time. If you tinker a little, you probably have tools like a 3d printer at home.
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« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2019, 05:21:40 am »
I dont want to sound rude, but I just can`t imagine he bought expensive equipment, if there are companies that make you custom pcbs and send them to you for very little money. It would not be very economic for such a small batch product to get loads of machinery. I'm guessing most of his investment was his time. If you tinker a little, you probably have tools like a 3d printer at home.

Yeah but you cant mass produce gun shells with a 3D printer.
And the software creation side of things has literally taken him years.

Not really sure why everyone is being so negative about this, If you dont want to back the KS dont its a simple risk vs reward thing.

We dont even know how much hes asking for atm but if you lot can do better with less then why aint you posting about it or selling the idea to Nintendo or Sony?

Everyone is moaning they want a good lightgun solution that works well.
So I have provided a update on one someone has tried to make but he aint a multi national and needs some support.

This is a opportunity for a well supported solution with what I think is going to be a sort of open source software so the community can get behind it to make improvements and continue development for future platforms and solutions.

The dude may make the best lightgun in the world or he may do a bunk to Hawaii who knows but if he aint given a chance then we will never know will we?




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Re: Sinden Lightgun Kickstarter date revealed!
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2019, 06:14:39 am »
Maybe I was a bit harsh, I just have a bad gut feeling, that if he (maybe already) spent too much on tooling, parts & r&d, and he has to set the price too high, very few people are going to buy the gun.

I don`t think you cant print 3d models in higher volume, look at the different sla printers. They can very high quality, very detailed parts. I think it would really make sense to wait until he sees how many ppl are going to back the kickstarter, and then decide wether or not he gets e.g. injection molded pieces.

But lets see, only one more month to go.

P.S.: I`m hoping that this is going to be a great product, too.
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Re: Sinden Lightgun Kickstarter date revealed!
« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2019, 08:40:38 am »
If youíve ever tried to order anything from Alibaba then youíd see they want a large volume order on anything custom.  There would be considerable up front cost to get a commitment from a manufacture in China.  While printing the shells may work a few orders, itís still inferior to injection and can not nearly keep up with a large volume demand.

Iím with Titch on this, seems like itís a simple choice of back it or donít, but since no one has built a viable alternative I say give the guy a shot.  Early work looks promising.  My only hesitation would be the white border thing, Iím sure you get use to it but my initial reaction was blah as I really hate messing with the image in any way.

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« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2019, 08:58:30 am »
If I am honest you dont notice the white border once you get going.

The thickness of the border is variable but I think it depends on the environmental conditions how thick it needs to be.
Light levels etc.

I think he is looking at different methods in the future but dont think its high on the list.



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« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2019, 04:40:00 pm »
Is there no video of this yet?

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« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2019, 06:28:26 pm »
Is there no video of this yet?

There are loads of videos on youtube and his website?

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Re: Sinden Lightgun Kickstarter date revealed!
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2019, 11:29:45 am »
No updates about the recoil.

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« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2019, 12:30:16 pm »
Not that I have seen, I am expecting a announcement anytime soon...

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« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2019, 02:19:57 pm »
Why doesn't he just sell it as a installation kit?  You can buy happs gun shells for cheap these days. Why bother with the hassle of creating your own shell?

Just sell the PCB and internals to allow customers to install them into a shell of your choice, and be done with it. Maybe offer completely built units at additional cost for those who aren't comfortable with an install method.

This is what a lot of home-brewers are doing these days for console mods.

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« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2019, 02:31:11 pm »
Let see in the weekend what news we get about the sinden gun. Wonder how much he will ask for the gun.

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« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2019, 02:42:47 pm »
Why doesn't he just sell it as a installation kit?  You can buy happs gun shells for cheap these days. Why bother with the hassle of creating your own shell?

Just sell the PCB and internals to allow customers to install them into a shell of your choice, and be done with it. Maybe offer completely built units at additional cost for those who aren't comfortable with an install method.

This is what a lot of home-brewers are doing these days for console mods.

It is because he is a dreamer and not a businessman. That is why all of these things unfortunately fail. Everybody thinks coming up with the idea is the hard part. Marketing, manufacturing, and distributing are the hardest parts. They require cash, connections, and experience. I hope this guy succeeds. His idea looks like it works. I am just not confident in how the business end is going to be handled.

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Re: Sinden Lightgun Kickstarter date revealed!
« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2019, 03:23:43 pm »
. If he has all what he needs to produce the guns. Why he needs  kickstarter?

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« Reply #25 on: April 10, 2019, 03:52:45 pm »
. If he has all what he needs to produce the guns. Why he needs  kickstarter?

Been covered already but basically production costs etc.


Why doesn't he just sell it as a installation kit?  You can buy happs gun shells for cheap these days. Why bother with the hassle of creating your own shell?

Just sell the PCB and internals to allow customers to install them into a shell of your choice, and be done with it. Maybe offer completely built units at additional cost for those who aren't comfortable with an install method.

This is what a lot of home-brewers are doing these days for console mods.

He is planning on releasing a DIY kit if he can get the thing off the ground to start with.

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« Reply #26 on: April 13, 2019, 08:37:13 am »
Waiting for sinden news..

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« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2019, 12:51:06 pm »
Just had this pop up on YT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dILD3kwP5Og&feature=push-u-sub&attr_tag=eBl8EIQBUvdTmCEN%3A6

Also this, Time Crisis looks to be running pretty good considering its on a Pi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me18cNd4grM&feature=push-u-sub&attr_tag=N7H2_RF3SNJ8zplo%3A6

Also just seen on his blog he will be opening the KS sometime this evening (in the next few hours)
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Re: Sinden Lightgun Kickstarter date revealed!
« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2019, 01:47:34 pm »
You keep telling me that border is adjustable, but in every vid he does the border is a frikkin inch and a half wide.  That makes me think even if it's adjustable it doesn't work reliably unless it's big.  That's a non-starter for me.  Even with the many, many issues associated with them, it makes me want to look towards the laser-based guns.  If he could do a few vids sans the gigantic border I think it would help the cause and believe it or not I really want him to succeed... it's just good for the community in general. 

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« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2019, 02:15:23 pm »
You keep telling me that border is adjustable, but in every vid he does the border is a frikkin inch and a half wide.  That makes me think even if it's adjustable it doesn't work reliably unless it's big.  That's a non-starter for me.  Even with the many, many issues associated with them, it makes me want to look towards the laser-based guns.  If he could do a few vids sans the gigantic border I think it would help the cause and believe it or not I really want him to succeed... it's just good for the community in general.


If you look at the videos I did the border is smaller.

The tracking one the border was around 15mm across a 42Ē tv.

The one with the CRT was even thinner.

I think it basically depends on the distance and lighting conditions as tge camera needs to clearly see it.

So if you are far away in a well lit room it would need to be thicker (as per his videos) and if you look at the CRT one which was done in a dark room much thinner.



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« Reply #30 on: April 14, 2019, 03:09:30 pm »
Ok his Kick Starter is now live so for those willing to give it a chance go contribute :)

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« Reply #31 on: April 14, 2019, 04:05:08 pm »
Ok his Kick Starter is now live so for those willing to give it a chance go contribute :)
Thank you. Checking it out now.

Edit: Backed for one lightgun.  $130 USD shipped is a reasonable price and target of October 2019 delivery isn't bad.  He also has recoil options for those that want that.
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« Reply #32 on: April 14, 2019, 04:48:07 pm »
Then lets hope he gets enough backers to get something shipped. Could be tough again. I'd love to see this thing open source at some point in the future.  20 Backers, 29 days to go.
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« Reply #33 on: April 14, 2019, 04:58:13 pm »
Well its at 14% at the moment so good start for a few hours.

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Re: Sinden Lightgun Kickstarter date revealed!
« Reply #34 on: April 14, 2019, 06:54:07 pm »
Going back to the border thing for a moment - I'm running groovymame so I've got 1:1 pixel mapping on my CRT. I would assume that to mean that if I run this with the white borders, I'm actually going to be losing xx pixels of game display around the inside border of the screen?

Otherwise scaling the screen loses the 1:1 pixel mapping.

I'd be ok if that was maybe 2-4 pixels on each edge but more than that important stuff could be cut off.


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« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2019, 04:40:20 am »
Going back to the border thing for a moment - I'm running groovymame so I've got 1:1 pixel mapping on my CRT. I would assume that to mean that if I run this with the white borders, I'm actually going to be losing xx pixels of game display around the inside border of the screen?

Otherwise scaling the screen loses the 1:1 pixel mapping.

I'd be ok if that was maybe 2-4 pixels on each edge but more than that important stuff could be cut off.

Well if you look at my CRT video it should give you a idea.

That was a 19Ē 4:3 screen

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Re: Sinden Lightgun Kickstarter date revealed!
« Reply #36 on: April 15, 2019, 06:42:18 am »
Anyone know something about the recoil system.  It is 63 euros extra but no info about the pcb of the recoil.

There is something worry me about the gun. no calibration needed but what happens if the pointer is not aimed with the gun aim reticle. How we correct this problem i mean to install the camera in the exact spot in the gun shell can be a challenge

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« Reply #37 on: April 15, 2019, 07:58:36 am »
It's well over halfway there in less than one day. Fingers crossed.

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« Reply #38 on: April 15, 2019, 09:15:06 am »
Anyone know something about the recoil system.  It is 63 euros extra but no info about the pcb of the recoil.

There is something worry me about the gun. no calibration needed but what happens if the pointer is not aimed with the gun aim reticle. How we correct this problem i mean to install the camera in the exact spot in the gun shell can be a challenge

Afraid I dont know any details about the recoil.

But the gun can be calibrated, It just does not need to be done after its set up unless something changes.

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Re: Sinden Lightgun Kickstarter date revealed!
« Reply #39 on: April 15, 2019, 09:41:15 am »
Why can't you just put white tape around the edges of the monitor? 
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