[Linux][SVGA 15" CRT monitor] - geometry issues on some systems

[tiben]

Hi,

Today i played a little with GroovyArcade 0.204 and a 15" IIyama SVGA crt monitor using the `arcade_31` monitor setting. I'm on linux using a Nvidia card.
Its works well on most systems when unsetting `doublescan`. If i set doublescan, pixels are not square, the resolution seems just wrong.
So, in this configuration, while most of the systems i tried work well, there is geometry issues in some of them. For example:

Genesis (genesis):
Resolution is good (doubled), but mame screen itself does not seems to be doubled.




Super Nintendo (snes):
Width is wrong:




C64 (c64): same as snes:




An exemple of working system (nes):



Some others systems tested with success: lresort (neogeo), punisher, sms, rtype

Here is my mame.ini:

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#
# CORE CONFIGURATION OPTIONS
#
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# CORE SEARCH PATH OPTIONS
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# CORE OUTPUT DIRECTORY OPTIONS
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state_directory           $HOME/.mame/sta
snapshot_directory        $HOME/.mame/snap
diff_directory            $HOME/.mame/diff
comment_directory         $HOME/.mame/comments

#
# CORE STATE/PLAYBACK OPTIONS
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#
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#
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#
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# CORE DEBUGGING OPTIONS
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#
# OSD KEYBOARD MAPPING OPTIONS
#
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#
# OSD FONT OPTIONS
#
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# OSD OUTPUT OPTIONS
#
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#
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#
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#
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# OSD ACCELERATED VIDEO OPTIONS
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# OpenGL-SPECIFIC OPTIONS
#
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# OSD SOUND OPTIONS
#
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#
# PORTAUDIO OPTIONS
#
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#
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#
# SDL PERFORMANCE OPTIONS
#
sdlvideofps               0

#
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#
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#
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#
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#
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#
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#
# FRONTEND COMMAND OPTIONS
#
dtd                       1


Same results using "nouveau" or proprietary binary drivers.
What could be the problem ? I configured something wrong ?
By the way, what is the purpose of `doublescan` option which is set by default ? The geometry issues does not seems to occurs with it but resolutions are just wrong.

[Calamity]

Try setting aspect 4:3 in mame.ini

[tiben]

Hi Calamity,

Thanks for the help.

aspect 4:3 fixes c64 and snes but not genesis:

[Calamity]

Insert log.

[tiben]

Logs for "genesis sonic" bellow:

SwitchRes: v0.017l, Monitor: arcade_31, Orientation: horizontal, Modeline generation: enabled
SwitchRes: Monitor range 31400.00-31500.00,49.50-65.00,0.940,3.770,1.890,0.349,0.064,1.017,0,0,400,512,0,0
SwitchRes: xrandr version 1.6
SwitchRes: Found output connector 'VGA-0'

SwitchRes: Entering switchres_modeline_setup
SwitchRes: v0.017l:[genesis] Calculating best video mode for 256x224@60.000000 orientation: normal

SwitchRes: (   1)x(   1)_(60=60.000000Hz)
   rng(0):  512 x 448_60.000000p 31.440000 [integ] scale(2, 2, 1) diff(0.00, 0.00, 0.0000) ratio(2.000, 2.000)

SwitchRes: [genesis] (1) horizontal (256x224@60.000000)->(512x448@60.000000)
   rng(0):  512 x 448_60.000000p 31.440000 [integ] scale(2, 2, 1) diff(0.00, 0.00, 0.0000) ratio(2.000, 2.000)
SwitchRes: Modeline "512x448_60 31.440000KHz 60.000000Hz" 20.624640 512 536 616 656 448 475 477 524   -hsync -vsync
Switchres: CRTC 0: mode 0x27f, 1280x1024+0+0.
Switchres: xrandr mode (GM-512x448_60.000000) (0x32e) 20.624640MHz
SwitchRes: Setting option -rotate
SwitchRes: Setting option -noror
SwitchRes: Setting option -autoror
SwitchRes: Setting option -norol
SwitchRes: Setting option -noautorol
SwitchRes: Setting option -keepaspect
SwitchRes: Setting option -nounevenstretch
SwitchRes: Setting option -nounevenstretchx
SwitchRes: Setting option -noblack_frame_insertion
SwitchRes: Setting option -syncrefresh
SwitchRes: Setting option -waitvsync
SwitchRes: Setting option -nofilter
Available videodrivers: x11 wayland KMSDRM dummy
Current Videodriver: x11
   Display #0
      Renderdrivers:
             opengl (0x0)
          opengles2 (0x0)
           software (0x0)
Available audio drivers:
   pulseaudio         
   alsa               
   dsp                 
   jack               
   disk               
   dummy               
Build version:      0.204 (mame0204-dirty)
Build architecure: 
Build defines 1:    SDLMAME_UNIX=1 SDLMAME_X11=1 SDLMAME_LINUX=1
Build defines 1:    LSB_FIRST=1 PTR64=1
SDL/OpenGL defines: SDL_COMPILEDVERSION=2009 USE_OPENGL=1
Compiler defines A: __GNUC__=8 __GNUC_MINOR__=2 __GNUC_PATCHLEVEL__=1 __VERSION__="8.2.1 20181105 (Red Hat 8.2.1-5)"
Compiler defines B: __amd64__=1 __x86_64__=1 __unix__=1
Compiler defines C: __USE_FORTIFY_LEVEL=0
Enter init_monitors
Adding monitor screen0 (512 x 448)
Leave init_monitors
Enter sdlwindow_init
Using SDL multi-window soft driver (SDL 2.0+)

Hints:
   SDL_FRAMEBUFFER_ACCELERATION             (null)
   SDL_RENDER_DRIVER                        (null)
   SDL_RENDER_OPENGL_SHADERS                (null)
   SDL_RENDER_SCALE_QUALITY                 (null)
   SDL_RENDER_VSYNC                         (null)
   SDL_VIDEO_X11_XVIDMODE                   (null)
   SDL_VIDEO_X11_XINERAMA                   (null)
   SDL_VIDEO_X11_XRANDR                     (null)
   SDL_GRAB_KEYBOARD                        (null)
   SDL_VIDEO_MINIMIZE_ON_FOCUS_LOSS         (null)
   SDL_IOS_IDLE_TIMER_DISABLED              (null)
   SDL_IOS_ORIENTATIONS                     (null)
   SDL_XINPUT_ENABLED                       (null)
   SDL_GAMECONTROLLERCONFIG                 (null)
   SDL_JOYSTICK_ALLOW_BACKGROUND_EVENTS     (null)
   SDL_ALLOW_TOPMOST                        (null)
   SDL_TIMER_RESOLUTION                     (null)
   SDL_RENDER_DIRECT3D_THREADSAFE           (null)
   SDL_VIDEO_ALLOW_SCREENSAVER              (null)
   SDL_ACCELEROMETER_AS_JOYSTICK            (null)
   SDL_MAC_CTRL_CLICK_EMULATE_RIGHT_CLICK   (null)
   SDL_VIDEO_WIN_D3DCOMPILER                (null)
   SDL_VIDEO_WINDOW_SHARE_PIXEL_FORMAT      (null)
   SDL_VIDEO_MAC_FULLSCREEN_SPACES          (null)
   SDL_MOUSE_RELATIVE_MODE_WARP             (null)
   SDL_RENDER_DIRECT3D11_DEBUG              (null)
   SDL_VIDEO_HIGHDPI_DISABLED               (null)
   SDL_WINRT_PRIVACY_POLICY_URL             (null)
   SDL_WINRT_PRIVACY_POLICY_LABEL           (null)
   SDL_WINRT_HANDLE_BACK_BUTTON             (null)
Leave sdlwindow_init
Enter sdl_info::create
window: using renderer opengl
renderer: flag SDL_RENDERER_PRESENTVSYNC
renderer: flag SDL_RENDERER_ACCELERATED
Leave renderer_sdl2::create
Audio: Start initialization
Audio: Driver is pulseaudio
Audio: frequency: 48000, channels: 2, samples: 256
sdl_create_buffers: creating stream buffer of 25600 bytes
Audio: End initialization
ALSA lib seq_hw.c:466:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: Permission denied
Keyboard: Start initialization
Input: Adding keyboard #0: System keyboard (device id: System keyboard)
Keyboard: Registered System keyboard
Keyboard: End initialization
Mouse: Start initialization
Input: Adding mouse #0: System mouse (device id: System mouse)
Mouse: Registered System mouse
Mouse: End initialization
Joystick: Start initialization
Joystick: End initialization
Searching font Liberation Sans in -. path/s
Matching font: /usr/share/fonts/liberation/LiberationSans-Regular.ttf
Region ':maincpu' created
Region ':soundcpu' created
Region ':mdslot:rom' created
unzip: opened archive file /home/share/pkg/mame-roms/mame-roms/genesis.zip
unzip: found /home/share/pkg/mame-roms/mame-roms/genesis.zip ECD
unzip: /home/share/pkg/mame-roms/mame-roms/genesis.zip has no ZIP64 ECD locator
unzip: read /home/share/pkg/mame-roms/mame-roms/genesis.zip central directory
unzip: closing archive file /home/share/pkg/mame-roms/mame-roms/genesis.zip and sending to cache
unzip: opened archive file /tmp/megadriv/sonic.zip
unzip: found /tmp/megadriv/sonic.zip ECD
unzip: /tmp/megadriv/sonic.zip has no ZIP64 ECD locator
unzip: read /tmp/megadriv/sonic.zip central directory
unzip: closing archive file /tmp/megadriv/sonic.zip and sending to cache
Optional memory region ':tmss' not found
Optional device ':segacd' not found
Optional device ':sega32x' not found
Optional device ':genesis_snd_z80:finder_dummy_tag' not found
Optional device ':genesis_snd_z80:finder_dummy_tag' not found
Optional device ':genesis_snd_z80:finder_dummy_tag' not found
Optional device ':gen_vdp:finder_dummy_tag' not found
Optional device ':gen_vdp:finder_dummy_tag' not found
Optional device ':gen_vdp:finder_dummy_tag' not found
Optional device ':gen_vdp:finder_dummy_tag' not found
Optional device ':gen_vdp:finder_dummy_tag' not found
Optional device ':gen_vdp:finder_dummy_tag' not found
Optional memory region ':gen_vdp:palette:finder_dummy_tag' not found
Optional device ':gen_vdp:snsnd:finder_dummy_tag' not found
Optional device ':megadriv:finder_dummy_tag' not found
Optional device ':megadriv:finder_dummy_tag' not found
Optional device ':megadriv:finder_dummy_tag' not found
Optional device ':ymsnd:finder_dummy_tag' not found
Starting Genesis (USA, NTSC) ':'
  (missing dependencies; rescheduling)
Starting Motorola MC68000 ':maincpu'
Starting Zilog Z80 ':genesis_snd_z80'
Starting Timer ':md_scan_timer'
Starting Sega 315-5313 Megadrive VDP ':gen_vdp'
  (missing dependencies; rescheduling)
Starting palette ':gen_vdp:palette'
Starting Sega VDP PSG ':gen_vdp:snsnd'
Starting Video Screen ':megadriv'
Starting Speaker ':lspeaker'
  (missing dependencies; rescheduling)
Starting Speaker ':rspeaker'
  (missing dependencies; rescheduling)
Starting YM2612 OPN2 ':ymsnd'
Starting Mega Drive Cartridge Slot ':mdslot'
Starting MD Standard cart ':mdslot:rom'
Starting Software List ':cart_list'
Starting Genesis (USA, NTSC) ':'
  (missing dependencies; rescheduling)
Starting Sega 315-5313 Megadrive VDP ':gen_vdp'
Starting Speaker ':lspeaker'
Starting Speaker ':rspeaker'
Starting Genesis (USA, NTSC) ':'
Region ':mdslot:cart:rom' created
Attempting to parse: default.cfg
Attempting to parse: genesis.cfg
Average speed: 96.39% (4 seconds)
sdl_kill: closing audio
Sound buffer: overflows=0 underflows=2
Enter sdlwindow_exit
Leave sdlwindow_exit
SwitchRes: xrandr original video mode restored.
Switchres: xrandr error in XRRDestroyMode

[Calamity]

Could you check if there's any genesis.ini file available for GM that might be getting in the middle?

[tiben]

No genesis.ini file anywere. I carefully checked, removed any other files but mame.ini in my ~/.mame directory. I changed inipath to be "$HOME/.mame" only. Issue remains.

[Calamity]

The scale is properly calculated as it's shown in the log:

rng(0):  512 x 448_60.000000p 31.440000 [integ] scale(2, 2, 1)

So it's either some random .ini getting in the middle or some weird problem in sdl. Just to make sure, run groovymame from command line with the option -aspect 4:3. This will override any ini contents.

If everything else fails, you have the pair of options intscalex & intescaley, that you can force either from command line or inside an ini file.

[tiben]

Using `-aspect 4:3` from command line does not fixes the issues (the same as in mame.ini)

If i understand the purpose of intscale(x|y) option correctly, i tried using `intscalex 2`. The screen seems now a little too wide, picture is cropped (noticeable by text in top left):



Interestingly i found the game Contra to have the "Konami logo sequence" correctly sized (test made using -aspect 4:3 only):





It seems the megadrive supports 2 or 3 resolutions. Could this be a resolution switch issue ?
The monitor does not seems to change resolution in game (changeres is set to 1)

[tiben]

According to Wikipedia, The genesis has two resolutions: 320x224 and 256x224.

Forcing a resolution of 640 442 (double of 320x224) now give correct picture for sonic and contra menu/in-game.

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[crt@localhost ~]$ gtf 640 448 60

  # 640x448 @ 60.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 27.84 kHz; pclk: 22.27 MHz
  Modeline "640x448_60.00"  22.27  640 656 720 800  448 449 452 464  -HSync +Vsync


and using:

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modeline_generation     1
modeline                22.27  640 656 720 800  448 449 452 464  -HSync +Vsync

On the other hand Konami Logo sequence seems to be at 256 224, the screen as correct aspect but pixels are not good.

[Calamity]

Yes, now that you mention that, it's clearly an issue with in-game mode switching not working. However, your log doesn't even show a mode change during game, but maybe it's because you exited too early to catch the change. Could you confirm this by a running a longer log? I want to check whether it's sdl not being able to switch modes (I don't remember what was the current state of this as things tend to break on Linux every few months) or it's actually Swichres not catching the mode change.

In either case, you may bypass the issue by using super resolutions (set -resolution 2560x0)

[tiben]

Attached to this post are logs of a 5/10min run of contra

[tiben]

-resolution 2560x0 gives the following resutlts:




Maybe a limitation of my monitor ?

[Calamity]

The mode switch is certainly not catched, for whatever reason. I'll need to check this. God knows how long this has been broken.

[Calamity]

-resolution 2560x0 gives the following resutlts:

?? What resolution is it using?

[tiben]

About 2056x0 resolution:


About resolution switch,  maybe the mame genesis driver is broken ? I can test another driver (arcade game or other) which has resolution switch if you know one..

Thank you for your help Calamity.

**EDIT**: Maybe the strange 2056x0 ratio is a bug in nvidia binary drivers. I'll try with nouveau. However it has nothing to do with initial bug as i tried with both drivers with same results.

[Calamity]

About 2056x0 resolution:

I don't understand why it picks 2560x224, while in theory you're using the arcade_31 preset. It should be scaling the vertical by 2. I'd need to see a log to figure out what it's doing.

About resolution switch,  maybe the mame genesis driver is broken ? I can test another driver (arcade game or other) which has resolution switch if you know one..

Genesis driver is fine. It's a bug with the sdl build. Anyway the last log you posted was from Konami, not Genesis.

**EDIT**: Maybe the strange 2056x0 ratio is a bug in nvidia binary drivers. I'll try with nouveau. However it has nothing to do with initial bug as i tried with both drivers with same results.

No, it has nothing to do with that.

[tiben]

command line:

./mame64 -resolution 2560x0 genesis contra &> /tmp/groovymame-genesis-contra.txt

Logs are attached.

Note: -aspect is set to 4:3. Here are the result when set to auto:


(logs are attached too)

Genesis driver is fine. It's a bug with the sdl build. Anyway the last log you posted was from Konami, not Genesis.

To avoid confusion, it is the Genesis (US megadrive) game "contra" (which is a Konami game).

[Calamity]

-aspect 4:3 is compulsory on GA due to how the desktop is configured (we'd need to set by default in the cd), so don't touch that.

I'm seeing an issue with super resolutions on Linux & 31 kHz (one case I had never tested).

By now, I believe using -resolution 2560x480 should fix it.

[tiben]

By now, I believe using -resolution 2560x480 should fix it.

It is far too slow to be playable but the screen resolution is OK. My nvidia card is a PCI-e 1x, i believe this resolution is simply too high for my system.

Anyway, GM works pretty well for most of the Mame drivers i use so i'm happy with that.

By the way i can run tests to debug "in-game resolution switch" and "2560x0 resolution" issues above in Linux if it could help. Let me know.

Again thanks for your help.

[Calamity]

Yeah, I'll let you know when I have a fix. Two bugs found in a thread, not bad 

[tiben]

haha. Where do i enter my name in the hall of fame ?