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Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
« Reply #760 on: October 27, 2018, 03:27:39 pm »
Gah, those LCDís look terrible. Aspect ratios isnít the only problem with the display...

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Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
« Reply #761 on: October 27, 2018, 05:57:20 pm »
The cool thing about BYOAC is it's always been very accepting. Quite the opposite of KLOV. Someone needs help with their Midway Arcade Treasures machine, they come to BYOAC and there are people who offer help and not belittle their choice by calling their machines toys, trash, etc.

If the winds are changing, and I'm part of the old guard, well, that sucks. If this is just normal resistance between the old and new, akin to Rasberry Pi's, LCD monitors, etc - it'll work itself out over time.

Completely agree. No one is forcing anyone to buy this thing and if one doesn't like it, return it. It's sounding to me like old men :censored:ing about some youngin on their lawn.

I'm glad they brought this to market, even if it's not for me because I'm more of a candy and showcase guy myself... I'm still happy arcade cabinets are getting some love and attention and I hope they do well.

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Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
« Reply #762 on: October 27, 2018, 06:40:41 pm »
My local Walmart had one centipede and two asteroids cabs in stock this evening.  I would bet these things will be $249 in a few weeks before the x-mas rush.

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Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
« Reply #763 on: October 27, 2018, 11:14:56 pm »
Looks like you can test out the deluxe atari unit at frys:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgtacMGVU3A

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Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
« Reply #764 on: October 28, 2018, 12:34:42 pm »
this is a great example of the community coming
around this product, and fixing it:

Two of the best videos showing how to replace the spinner, very detailed:

this one is a cheaper solution:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8q1PkXbc6GA

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this is a more expensive one:

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Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
« Reply #765 on: October 28, 2018, 01:10:33 pm »
Gah, those LCDís look terrible. Aspect ratios isnít the only problem with the display...

Yes, they have a terrible viewing angle, and of course, the black levels aren't great.

That said, the lighting is terrible in that shot.

CRT's are horrible in daylight, and the picture shows the arcade cabinet monitor
doesn't look great either.

The only way to make things better, and compare, is to show them both in dark rooms,
with no lighting.

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Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
« Reply #766 on: October 28, 2018, 04:47:42 pm »
CRT's are horrible in daylight, and the picture shows the arcade cabinet monitor
doesn't look great either.

The only way to make things better, and compare, is to show them both in dark rooms,
with no lighting.
All screens are terrible in daylight. But that LCD shown looks much worst than any cheap lcd youíd buy in a store.

So on top of replacing controls, the emulation hardware and now the screen to make these cabinets remotely close to a quality experience, that $300 toy is now looking closer to $500-600.
And you still have a brittle cabinet with rub-off graphics!

Garbage product is still garbage.

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Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
« Reply #767 on: October 28, 2018, 05:27:52 pm »
CRT's are horrible in daylight, and the picture shows the arcade cabinet monitor
doesn't look great either.

The only way to make things better, and compare, is to show them both in dark rooms,
with no lighting.
All screens are terrible in daylight. But that LCD shown looks much worst than any cheap lcd youíd buy in a store.

So on top of replacing controls, the emulation hardware and now the screen to make these cabinets remotely close to a quality experience, that $300 toy is now looking closer to $500-600.
And you still have a brittle cabinet with rub-off graphics!

Garbage product is still garbage.

I have several 17" Dell LCDs lying around.  I get them at salvation army when I see them for $5-10.  When, if, I ever get my Galaga, I plan to use one of these LCDs along with a free computer, a zero delay, and possibly upgrade the joystick to a decent 4-way leaf.  All that should come in less than $50.  *shrugs*

By the way - I just checked Ebay Sold listings.  The Galaga is selling for $599.  No wonder they are delaying my preorder.  If that price holds up I will be selling mine.  $450 or so after Ebay fees and shipping costs?  I'll flip it and wait until the craziness dies down and then buy one to keep...   ::)
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Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
« Reply #768 on: October 28, 2018, 06:27:39 pm »
Still, my point stands. You have to practically replace everything to have a decent product here. At that point, you might as well roll your own, or buy a pre-cut kit.


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Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
« Reply #769 on: October 28, 2018, 07:13:15 pm »
Renewed interest in Arcade cabinets can only be a good thing imo. I can totally see a good amount of people collecting all of these and having their own Arcade Rooms. Which will just bring more attention and people to the hobby. If anything, that will make the CLASSIC old cabs MORE valuable.

Think about it like this, the first group of Arcade collectors/fans will have Arcade 1ups. Then the second  more dedicated fans will have MAME machines. The third group, the SERIOUS collectors will have the original machines. I fall into the second category myself. If these Arcade 1ups really take off, it's just going to bring more people to the hobby, I feel that's something to be embraced. This could be the ground floor for an Arcade revival. Just more on a personal/private scale, not actual Arcades like the days of old.
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Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
« Reply #770 on: October 28, 2018, 07:50:30 pm »
CRT's are horrible in daylight, and the picture shows the arcade cabinet monitor
doesn't look great either.

The only way to make things better, and compare, is to show them both in dark rooms,
with no lighting.
So on top of replacing controls, the emulation hardware and now the screen to make these cabinets remotely close to a quality experience, that $300 toy is now looking closer to $500-600.
And you still have a brittle cabinet with rub-off graphics!

Garbage product is still garbage.

Controls: While the spinner is nearly universally hated, the joysticks and buttons are considered adequate.
Emulation Hardware: The Rampage cabinet is having issues, otherwise the rest of the cabs work as advertised. Not sure what the complaint is here.
Screen: The viewing angles are terrible, but while playing and looking straight at it, I didn't have an issue. Would be nice if there was a scan line option, but the screens aren't awful. I'd say they do the job, but definitely aren't top of the line.
Brittle Cabinet: Time will tell
Rub-Off graphics: True statement....

I think the best cabinet of the bunch is Galaga and Street Fighter. I think they were a bit stingy of the game options on those cabinets, but it's not a surprise. You know going in that you are basically getting 1 game per cabinet.

If your point is that spending twice as much gets you a better experience. True. Most of the Arcade1up folks I see are not "roll your own" types so I don't think that's an option for them.

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Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
« Reply #771 on: October 28, 2018, 08:18:14 pm »
Conversely, this is a great opportunity for some of you guys to make money off of people who want to add 5000 games to their cabinets but donít have the wherewithal to do so.
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Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
« Reply #772 on: October 29, 2018, 01:02:10 am »
Conversely, this is a great opportunity for some of you guys to make money off of people who want to add 5000 games to their cabinets but donít have the wherewithal to do so.

Or mod the controls for them. I see people requesting that in the comments on people that
have done mods already, like the spinner ones.

Some people will be put off by the cost of getting real arcade parts though.
and feel like its good enough as is.

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Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
« Reply #773 on: October 29, 2018, 03:56:33 am »
looks like even the original tempest dial isn't that great,
at 6:40, there are replacements to fix it to spin better,
and last longer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PhrGpSzB3k
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Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
« Reply #774 on: October 29, 2018, 05:37:22 am »
Yeah. Those Tempest spinners are crap. After 30 years they might need a little maintenance. ::)

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Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
« Reply #775 on: October 29, 2018, 09:37:54 am »
Yeah. Those Tempest spinners are crap. After 30 years they might need a little maintenance. ::)

This thread has now taken a sad, sad turn.
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Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
« Reply #776 on: October 29, 2018, 09:48:22 am »
Yeah. It has gone stupid even for an internet thread.

Favorably comparing that ---smurfy--- dial to a Tempest spinner is laughable.

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Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
« Reply #777 on: October 29, 2018, 09:55:19 am »
How else is he going to pump those post numbers up?  Why contribute something meaningful when you can triple post youtube video links in this thread?  The exact same thread is going on at pinside
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Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
« Reply #778 on: October 29, 2018, 12:42:11 pm »
looks like even the original tempest dial isn't that great,
at 6:40, there are replacements to fix it to spin better,
and last longer:

oh boy.  that upgrade is like putting higher performance/lighter wheels and tires on your car.  the A1UP "spinner" is like putting square wheels and cement tires on your car.

btw, the bitwrench(for arcade buttons) he sells on klov is awesome.

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« Reply #779 on: October 29, 2018, 12:55:33 pm »
no one's comparing anything, you are making that assumption.

the point is old arcade games are like luxury cars, great when they work,
and expensive to fix and maintain. and are a pain in the neck to keep
running at times, thats the point of hundreds of videos about old and
new arcade games. sometimes thats the fun part.

atari tempest dial
----------------------
- Atari part # 73-834
- tooth count 72
- yes, they were weighted and worked well, but got stuck, and had issues if you didn't oil them
- arcade games got more abuse than at home games of course
- cost about $70 for NOS :   https://www.arcadefixit.com/category.sc?categoryId=24
NOS part. Used on Tempest and other games. Very limited qty. Atari part # 73-834. Includes 2 set screws\


- repros cost about $30, but not sure how long they last either


so yeah, after 30 years, they will wear out, and break just like they did originally.

as i mentioned, i have a 20 year old blasteroids machine, thats in near mint condition,
and plays like day 1, since i barely use it.

blasteroids dial:
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- atari knob part # 038319-01


- tooth count 72
- much more rubber on it, and less spokes
- different assembly

so maybe 7 years later, dials got better (blasteroids is 1988), i have no idea if real ones wore out also,
since no one except me a few other people ever played this game.

i'm lucky, the only thing i've ever replaced in my machine when i got it, was
a power supply, and thats it. its been working ever since then.

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Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
« Reply #780 on: October 29, 2018, 01:01:57 pm »
Yeah. It has gone stupid even for an internet thread.

Favorably comparing that ---smurfy--- dial to a Tempest spinner is laughable.

who's comparing anything, todd is comparing the old bad tempest spinner
to a newer improved part that makes it work better.

the brass fittings work much better than the nylon ones, thats the point.
even the originals never had that.

watch the actual video, and you would have seen that.

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Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
« Reply #781 on: October 29, 2018, 01:04:27 pm »
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no one's comparing anything, you are making that assumption.
You make numerous comparisons all throughout this thread. Stop smoking crack. It is bad for your brain.

I am not going to waste my time watching your ---smurfy--- video links.

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« Reply #782 on: October 29, 2018, 01:07:49 pm »
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no one's comparing anything, you are making that assumption.
You make numerous comparisons all throughout this thread. Stop smoking crack. It is bad for your brain.

I am not going to waste my time watching your ---smurfy--- video links.

tell, me where i said the dial is acceptable as a replacement for the arcade one. oh, you can't.

i said its acceptable to play the game. period.

todds videos are probably the best arcade comparison, and repair videos out there.

he tells it like it is, bad monitors, bad parts, all in the original games.
he doesn't sugar coat it to make people think all those old games worked well,
or were designed well. they all had flaws, and newer parts are better made,
and can make them last longer, and work better than they ever did originally.

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Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
« Reply #783 on: October 29, 2018, 01:10:03 pm »
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The game is PERFECTLY playable as is, because in Tempest, you NEVER need to spin fast
to play. You use slow controlled movements a segment to the left or right, especially
in the upper levels with the pulsars and fuses.

You were busy bragging about your Tempest prowess at the time.
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« Reply #784 on: October 29, 2018, 01:23:13 pm »

i said its acceptable to play the game. period.


yeah, no.  if you call the way you struggled playing tempest with their spinner, acceptable, well, i don't know what to say.   can it be fun?  sure, in a, let's see how far we can get with terrible control, type of fun. 

if A1UP didn't advertise "Authentic Arcade Controls and Gameplay" or, "True Arcade Tactile Feel - Plays exactly as you remember" that would be one thing, but that's how they are marketing these cabinets.  Their "spinner" is none of that, at all.

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Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
« Reply #785 on: October 29, 2018, 01:31:26 pm »
I've said this many a time on this site over the years and I think it's appropriate in this instance.  You CAN do a lot of things, but it doesn't mean you SHOULD.  I can play tempest in mame with a frikkin keyboard and do acceptably well in it, but it doesn't mean I should.  The game was designed to be played with a spinner, so if you want to play the game as intended, you play it with a spinner, even if it was EASIER to play via the keyboard.  Why?  Well if I have to answer that question to you then you probably shouldn't be on this forum. 

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« Reply #786 on: October 29, 2018, 01:33:40 pm »
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i'm sure i can crush any score you can ever put up, along with 99% of the rest of the people
here or that bought it.

Sounds like you think it is more than just acceptable.

Just own your douchiness.

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« Reply #787 on: October 29, 2018, 02:16:21 pm »
@negative1

For chrisstsake can you stop posting youtube videos?  Your passive promotion of this thing is really annoying, and is becoming pointless noise in this thread.

I've now started flagging your posts to the mods. This Spamming needs to stop.

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« Reply #788 on: October 29, 2018, 02:18:48 pm »
@negative1

For chrisstsake can you stop posting youtube videos?  Your passive promotion of this thing is really annoying, and is becoming pointless noise in this thread.

I've now started flagging your posts to the mods. This Spamming needs to stop.

I agree. It's obnoxious. The videos don't even show up for me anyway (which is good, because I would never watch them) but I still get a big empty space saying the video is no longer available which makes his (very numerous) posts take up a ton of vertical space when scrolling this thread.

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Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
« Reply #789 on: October 29, 2018, 03:51:09 pm »
the last video i posted from todd's channel was about the tempest dial improvements.

the prior videos posted were about using arcade parts to replace the stock dial.

if there's something wrong with that, sure flag it.

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Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
« Reply #790 on: October 29, 2018, 09:35:46 pm »
tutorial for making a lighted marquee:
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« Reply #791 on: October 29, 2018, 10:59:06 pm »
You seriously canít stop yourself huh?

  
 

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