How do I mount a Coin door light in this door?

[eightbit]

Was this coin door supposed to have lighted coin returns? If so where did they mount the bulbs?

[SirPeale]

I'm not totally familiar with this one.  I have a similar door, but older.  I think you're missing a piece.

[eightbit]

I'm not totally familiar with this one.  I have a similar door, but older.  I think you're missing a piece.

Well I do have the frame for it to go in. Do you mean a different peice than that?

[arizonacats]

I just "restored" my coin door that looks identical to that one (it's a Happ, right?).  The lights on it are mounted directly behind the red plastic hooks that return the coin (sorry I don't know the technical name for these parts).  The bulbs are mounted, using the two holes on the top, facing towards the return so that the light shines through.  I don't have a picture of mine right now, but I think you can check out an exploded view of one on their web site:

http://www.happcontrols.com/coindoors/40003800_exploded.htm

Turns out they don't show the bulbs mounted there either.  

A quick follow up question... after removing and repainting my door, I managed to leave off a ground wire somewhere, so my bulbs don't currently light up.  Any idea where that should hook up, or where I might be able to find a simple wiring diagram?  

[eightbit]

 I don't have a picture of mine right now, but I think you can check out an exploded view of one on their web site:

http://www.happcontrols.com/coindoors/40003800_exploded.htm

Turns out they don't show the bulbs mounted there either.  

It would be great if you or someone else with this style of door could take a pic for me. They show the lightbulb and holder in the exploded diagram but its rotated the wrong way to see where or how it mounts.

[PedroSilva]

 I don't have a picture of mine right now, but I think you can check out an exploded view of one on their web site:

http://www.happcontrols.com/coindoors/40003800_exploded.htm

Turns out they don't show the bulbs mounted there either.  

It would be great if you or someone else with this style of door could take a pic for me. They show the lightbulb and holder in the exploded diagram but its rotated the wrong way to see where or how it mounts.

Mine is similar ... I'll try to get a picture for you tonight ...

[Brad Lee]

Mines got the same mech holders. It uses a little white plastic clip that snaps onto the little raised part

The bulb is a wedge base, so it plugs right into the front ofthe holder, and there are 2 wire terminals coming out the back.


If your coin mechs work, then they have a ground wire. SImply extend that to both of the light bulbs

[screaming]

If your coin mechs work, then they have a ground wire. SImply extend that to both of the light bulbs

  Okay, I'm still learning as I go with all this arcade business, so please excuse the ignorance.

  Can I really ground my 12v bulbs with my I-PAC (which supposedly only outputs 5v)?

/Steve

[Ken Layton]

Yes, that is a late model Happ Controls door. They sell replacement (white) wedge base lamp sockets for it.

[SirPeale]

If your coin mechs work, then they have a ground wire. SImply extend that to both of the light bulbs

  Okay, I'm still learning as I go with all this arcade business, so please excuse the ignorance.

  Can I really ground my 12v bulbs with my I-PAC (which supposedly only outputs 5v)?

Run it from your power supply.

[Brad Lee]

^^ I thought a ground was a ground.

Obviously the +5v from the ipac wont light 12v lamps(it might but it'll be very dim). For that you would need to either hack one of the power supply connecters or an independent 12v source(for example a transformer for a cell phone charger, pc speakers, something liek that- CHECK the voltage)

[screaming]

Run it from your power supply.

  Yeah, that's what I thought. There has to be a complete connection for the electricity to run in a loop, right?  If the ground was plugged into the IPAC with the power coming from your PC's PSU, then you wouldn't have that complete circuit.

  Right?

/Steve

Edit: fixed formatting.

[Stingray]

It just needs to be grounded, it doesn't matter if the ground is in the same location as the power source. As Brad Lee said, a ground is a ground.

-S

[screaming]

It just needs to be grounded, it doesn't matter if the ground is in the same location as the power source. As Brad Lee said, a ground is a ground.

  So when I had all my 'normally open' leads from my microswitches connected to the IPAC, but all the grounds wired up someplace other than the IPAC and it didn't work.. That was just a fluke and it should have worked?

/S

[eightbit]

It just needs to be grounded, it doesn't matter if the ground is in the same location as the power source. As Brad Lee said, a ground is a ground.

I don't think it will work but regardless it is best practice to get the ground from the same source as the power.

So if you getting power from the ipac to light your bulbs get the ground from there, if your using your PC power supply then get the ground from there. Your origanel wiring may have grounded the bulbs to the coin door which might have used a common ground for the lights and the coin mechs which isn't how you want it hooked up anymore.

[Stingray]

Okay upon further thought I suppose I could be (probably am) wrong about this. I was thinkingin terms of auto wiring. Doesn't matter where your ground goes in that case, but when I thought about it, the whole car is grounded to the neg terminal on the battery.

-S

[eightbit]

Okay upon further thought I suppose I could be (probably am) wrong about this. I was thinkingin terms of auto wiring. Doesn't matter where your ground goes in that case, but when I thought about it, the whole car is grounded to the neg terminal on the battery.

In a car that is true since you are using a common power source.

[PedroSilva]

Here:

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Hope it helps ...

[Techoverload]

OK On the I-pac yes it needs to return to the I-pacs ground as that is how the Ipac works it needs to be able to see that the connection is closed. That is the diffrence between a switch and a light. Your I-pac could care less if there are lights on your cabinet or not. A light works by passing electricity through the filament and to a ground....any ground..... so long as the electricity has a place to flow TO and the filament is somewhere in between the source and the ground you should be fine. People Tend to confuse positive...negative and ground. In electronics It can be important that your current returns through the negative wire as it uses that as part of a "am I open or closed signal" which is then also dumped off at "ground".

A switch isnt the end user of the power the end user is the I-pac. In a light bulb the end user is the light itself.

A diffrent way to look at it is this...... measure the current going into a micro switch with a multi meter then close the switch and measure the current on the "negative" side of the switch.....it should be the same (save for a very small fraction of current loss due to the switch)


Ok so that was really long winded but I am not great at explaining things all the time.

Yes you can drop the ground wire from a light bulb to a chassis ground.......no you cant do the same with an I-pac unless it is made to use chassis ground as its return (car alarms are usually done this way.....one wire from the alarm box goes to chassis ground, then all the "sensor" switches negative side can be wired to the metal anywhere on the car instead of having to go back to the control box)

[eightbit]

Here:

Side view:

Top view:

Hope it helps ...

I LOVE THIS PLACE!!!!

[spidermonkey]

Here's the part #s

Bulb- Happ part #91-1219-00  or just by two   14 volt #161 bulbs at an auto part store.

Socket with molded clip to hold it in place. Happ part #
42-0351-00

I love this place too.

[PedroSilva]

Here:

Side view:

Top view:

Hope it helps ...

I LOVE THIS PLACE!!!!

Well ... mines are orange ... but I think you can manage ...  

By the way ... I love it also ...  

[Stingray]

That is the diffrence between a switch and a light. Your I-pac could care less if there are lights on your cabinet or not. A light works by passing electricity through the filament and to a ground....any ground..... so long as the electricity has a place to flow TO and the filament is somewhere in between the source and the ground you should be fine

Okay, so what I said is true, for a light, then? Good, I feel slightly less stupid.  

-S

[arizonacats]

I'm basically in the same boat... I finally jumped into BYOAC scene (after reading these boards for MONTHS) and removed the CPS2 from my JAMMA cabinet.  I then hooked up my J-Pac and got everything working (the easy way out, I know).  Viola!  The coin door lights no longer light up.  Could that be the same problem that was just talked about in this thread -  that the ground isn't correct anymore?  It was originally set up to ground to the coin door frame, but that's no longer working.  Should I try running a common ground from the J-Pac?  I apologize for my confusion!

[Techoverload]

I dont see why running A common ground from an I-pac, J-pac, Opti-pac wouldnt work........However I would check with Andy first as it is his product and I would hate to say yes and have it cause an issue. However theoretically It shouldnt be an issue....

I tested my I-pac and the grnd terminals on it do have continuity with the computer chassis that it is plugged into, So the I-pac is sharing the common ground the computer/powersupply is using.

[KevSteele]

If you're curious, I just finished a video this week on wiring up the same type of coin door to your PC power supply, as well as a "how-to" article on the same thing:

http://www.retroblast.com/articles/coindoor.html

I also decided to replace the #161 bulbs with LED lamp equivalents - here's the review:

http://retroblast.com/reviews/superbright.html

Kevin