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Re: R-Pi haters and game originalist, get your hat on.
« Reply #40 on: April 27, 2018, 10:54:16 pm »
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Re: R-Pi haters and game originalist, get your hat on.
« Reply #41 on: April 27, 2018, 11:07:48 pm »
I don't get why paige and op fear linux so much.
From what I've seen in this thread they would fit in nicely over at some of the linux forums i've been to.



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Re: R-Pi haters and game originalist, get your hat on.
« Reply #42 on: April 27, 2018, 11:34:59 pm »
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Lol you better frame that one Mike! :)

I don't get why paige and op fear linux so much.
From what I've seen in this thread they would fit in nicely over at some of the linux forums i've been to.
Donít know what that means, but I donít fear Linux. Iíve got a Linux box running a small render farm here at home.

No, Iím just trying to be as obnoxious as the pi fans are, and Iíve seemed to have reached that goal. :lol

Piís still suck.

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Re: R-Pi haters and game originalist, get your hat on.
« Reply #43 on: April 28, 2018, 06:55:43 am »
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Lol you better frame that one Mike! :)

I don't get why paige and op fear linux so much.
From what I've seen in this thread they would fit in nicely over at some of the linux forums i've been to.
Donít know what that means, but I donít fear Linux. Iíve got a Linux box running a small render farm here at home.

No, Iím just trying to be as obnoxious as the pi fans are, and Iíve seemed to have reached that goal. :lol

Piís still suck.

obnoxious?
nah.
I find the effort people go to just to hate on the pi funny.

Hey, you should make that render farm out of the new Pi 3's.




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Re: R-Pi haters and game originalist, get your hat on.
« Reply #44 on: April 28, 2018, 10:25:20 am »
I use a pc for my mane MAME setup and Have a R-pi running retro pi as well. They are both fine fine for the different task I use them for.

If people can beat punchout with the nestopea core then the R-pi is fine for thousands of games.

Not everyone but It does seem that a lot of people here are just dissmisive if it means not using Windows.



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Re: R-Pi haters and game originalist, get your hat on.
« Reply #45 on: April 28, 2018, 11:29:17 am »

I just have one question regarding the original topic of this thread.  How is handling input faster than the original hardware allowed, not considered to be a "cheat"?  The original programmers knew full well what the limitations were in the hardware they were developing for, and likely did things in the design differently than they normally would have, if these 1 frame input delays did not exist. And if using these modified routines provides some sort of advantage while playing, which seems to be the claim, how is this not considered to be cheating at the game?

Pi's are all right.  I've been amazed when seeing what those little things can do, like being a better Amiga than a full blown original machine with an expensive modern accelerator, and being able to emulate a Mac under the Amiga emulator, with the Mac emulation being faster than an original Mac :)  That said, mine is collecting dust.  I have too many old PCs, and too little time to go too far down the "Linux rabbit hole."  If you already have better hardware just laying around doing nothing, dealing with the Pi just seems like hacking for hacking's sake.

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« Reply #46 on: April 28, 2018, 12:01:06 pm »
Just to be clear, I have no Linux hate at all. I used to dual boot everything back in the days when Linux was actually a nightmare to set up. Although my true love was BeOS. Used to have both a Be laptop and desktop.
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Re: R-Pi haters and game originalist, get your hat on.
« Reply #47 on: April 28, 2018, 01:07:11 pm »


I agree, the Pi's are alright. At least the pi 3b, older ones are a bit too ---smurfy--- for my standards. Great for console games. Its not gonna be perfect, played castlevania 3 yesterday and I noticed a few odd artifacts. Tossed a pi in the van for a 10 hour road trip a few weeks ago and all three of my kids were quiet the whole time.

Hell, the pi plays dreamcast soul calibur pretty well. That is impressive. N64 and Jaguar are a complete no-goi. If you are gonna accept that emulation is not gonna be perfect, and some things are gonna play better than others, its a pretty good party machine, or for specialty projects.

I just would still recommend something more powerful for a real mame cab. maybe ill change my tune even more when the pi4 comes out in a year or two.

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« Reply #48 on: April 28, 2018, 03:48:02 pm »
Bloated premade images loaded with chips&salsa being upscaled and waiting for sync along with other post video processing through hdmi is a sure fire way to a crappy experience.


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« Reply #49 on: April 28, 2018, 06:23:49 pm »
Still waiting for someone to get Stepmania going 100% on a Pi.  Once someone does that, Iím leaving my pads active 24/7.


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Re: R-Pi haters and game originalist, get your hat on.
« Reply #50 on: April 30, 2018, 10:01:53 pm »
Still waiting for someone to get Stepmania going 100% on a Pi.  Once someone does that, Iím leaving my pads active 24/7.

Would be sweet. I been testing a setup on some HP computers at work with a cheep pad. Been thinking about buying 19 more and doing a PE class with Stepmania. If it works out I may do donors chose project next year for two nice pads.

To be clear, I don't use a a R-pi as my mane emulate setup. But form experience, there are lots of use cases where it does fine. I like a lot of old Geneses, NES, SNES, particularly RPGs. It is totally fine for most of the games I have tried on it using the faster "core" (emulator) IE Nestopea is fare superior to the default option.       

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Re: R-Pi haters and game originalist, get your hat on.
« Reply #51 on: May 01, 2018, 02:22:30 am »
For the love of God, keep computers out of PE class.

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« Reply #52 on: May 01, 2018, 06:55:13 am »
It would be added on to the ends of the dance unit. My students live in a tuff barber hood and many are not aloud to really play out side. This is at least an activity they could do in side.

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« Reply #53 on: May 01, 2018, 07:42:57 am »
If they are not aloud to play outside in their free time, why would you coop them up inside during PE class?

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Re: R-Pi haters and game originalist, get your hat on.
« Reply #54 on: May 01, 2018, 10:09:55 am »
Hey Locke, p.m. me your email address. As the Technology Integration Specialist at the school I work at, Iíve got a great resource for teachers on how they can integrate technology into PE and Health classes in ways that truly stimulate physical activity.
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« Reply #55 on: May 01, 2018, 10:11:12 am »
If they are not aloud to play outside in their free time, why would you coop them up inside during PE class?

Apparently, they need to be quiet as well :)

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Re: R-Pi haters and game originalist, get your hat on.
« Reply #56 on: May 01, 2018, 10:21:41 am »
It would be added on to the ends of the dance unit. My students live in a tuff barber hood and many are not aloud to really play out side. This is at least an activity they could do in side.


Oops. I made a spelling error. I was reading this post while typing mine. My brain didn't make the proper correction.
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« Reply #57 on: May 01, 2018, 10:30:38 am »
Dude, I heard those barbers can be vicious. Be warned.

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« Reply #58 on: May 01, 2018, 11:11:22 am »
Thanks Yots, PM sent.

MikeA I get what your saying and we do go out side. Keep in mind that we are in NYC and it does get to cool, hot, and or wet to go out on some days.


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« Reply #59 on: May 01, 2018, 11:28:07 am »
I understand that. I just feel that kids are bombarded by technology 24/7. Give them an hour a day where they are not staring at a video display of some kind.

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« Reply #60 on: May 01, 2018, 12:01:43 pm »
I understand that. I just feel that kids are bombarded by technology 24/7. Give them an hour a day where they are not staring at a video display of some kind.

I agree. Are we really to the point where we can't get students to perform physical activity without some kind of video game or other electronic stimulus?

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« Reply #61 on: May 01, 2018, 12:25:03 pm »
Keep in mind that I have each class twice a week and Iím only talking about adding  a 3 lesson exstention to a dance unit.

Also, my school has very little computers. To the point where I have been fundraising endlessly to add R-pi computer lads to each class room. Iím now up to 7 classroom labs and 3 more in the fundraising stage. My students live in poverty and not all on computers all day.

I have a soft spot for the Raspberry foundation. With out them my cloud funded labs would not be possible.

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« Reply #62 on: May 01, 2018, 02:24:19 pm »
Thereís nothing wrong with tapping into their personal technology to help them get active. I lost like 40 lbs BITD using the Wii. Keep on keeping on, Locke!
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« Reply #63 on: May 01, 2018, 03:48:19 pm »
I understand that. I just feel that kids are bombarded by technology 24/7. Give them an hour a day where they are not staring at a video display of some kind.

He's a PE teacher in Brooklyn.
the fact a school has a PE teacher in that neck of the woods is significant in itself.
Most City schools that way don't even have an outside the kids can use for PE.
Most places don't even have an inside for PE.
it's pretty bad.

so having them "bust a move" in a class room is not a bad idea at all.

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« Reply #64 on: May 01, 2018, 04:17:52 pm »
Youíd think they would get enough exercise running from the cops. Lol I kid!

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« Reply #65 on: May 01, 2018, 05:04:58 pm »
Hard to run with a cell phone in your hand and 9 bullets in your back.


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Re: R-Pi haters and game originalist, get your hat on.
« Reply #66 on: May 01, 2018, 07:26:40 pm »
Sorry but canít participate in a thread once people start joking that my students are criminals and or about to be shooting.

I know your joking and mean then no harm but I need to walk away.
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« Reply #67 on: May 01, 2018, 07:37:19 pm »
Sorry but canít participate in a thread once people start joking that my students as criminals and or about shooting them.

I know your joking and mean then no harm but I need to walk away.

Donít forget to PM me your email address, I havenít gotten it yet and I have that resource for you.
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« Reply #68 on: May 01, 2018, 08:50:56 pm »
Sorry but canít participate in a thread once people start joking that my students are criminals and or about to be shooting.

I know your joking and mean then no harm but I need to walk away.

Guess this means we'll never find out what the original topic had to do with Raspberry Pi.

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« Reply #69 on: May 06, 2018, 10:23:39 pm »
Pi's are so easy to work with... N64 still sucks though. I dont do alot of Hyperspin these days, might even switch to attract mode for PC.
odroid xu4 n64 emulation is really good. it has retropie and everything. almost all n64 games run full speed.

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« Reply #70 on: May 06, 2018, 10:30:36 pm »
also I dont really notice input lag on p.

not sure if I am casual :dunno I mean I won multiple street fighter tournaments in person and online :burgerking:

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« Reply #71 on: May 07, 2018, 11:57:46 pm »
Just to be clear, I have no Linux hate at all.
Some of my best friends are Linux!
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« Reply #72 on: May 08, 2018, 12:09:23 am »
Hell, the pi plays dreamcast soul calibur pretty well...
With which emulator? I've had lousy luck with Dreamcast emulators on Linux.
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« Reply #73 on: May 11, 2018, 01:53:00 pm »
I've been away for a while and the Rpi3 has me thinking of starting a new (small) project very soon.  Does it not run MAME well?  I'm only interested in it for that application.  I want to boot straight to a game list for MAME only.  Probably a mix of 4-way and 8-way classics.  SFIII/SFA3 would be the beefiest games I'd want to run but if I can't no big deal. 

Is the Rpi3 not good for this type of project?  What am I missing?

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« Reply #74 on: May 11, 2018, 04:46:00 pm »
It can run the games well enough. You are dealing with an old revision of MAME and the inability to do some things that a pc can do well. It depends on your standards that you expect out of a pi.

The pi is so cheap, just buy a board and try it out for yourself before building anything else. The MAME version it runs best is like .78


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« Reply #75 on: May 11, 2018, 05:08:05 pm »
Consoles emulate on Pi better because they have written console emulators specifically for the ARM processor on Linux. A functional 2D console emulator is downright trivial compared to something like Mame. Most of those old console emulators we loved 20 years ago were part time projects of a single developer. But why would you want to emulate a console on a Pi when whatever you are accessing this forum from would be better?


Look at me in my Kia, aren't I cool? Best car you can buy, uses the same gas as real cars, but it makes less noise. Fully capable of transporting Taylor Swift, and I don't notice any lag in the steering or brakes.

Proper console emulation is actually a lot more difficult than any single arcade driver in MAME.  Individual pieces of arcade hardware were typically under utilized, and only ran a handful of games so you have a lot of room for bad emulation without it being immediately obvious.  This is why a lot of the console drivers in MAME don't have the best compatibility rates yet, doing it properly is hard.

The Pi appears to run console stuff well because people are only really testing it and developing it against the most common cases, in reality most of the emulators aren't that good at all, it's all an illusion.

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« Reply #76 on: May 11, 2018, 09:22:37 pm »
I didn't mean to imply that a console emulator is easier than writing a single Mame driver, I meant a console emulator is easier than writing something like Mame (the whole thing).

Consoles emulate on Pi better because they have written console emulators specifically for the ARM processor on Linux. A functional 2D console emulator is downright trivial compared to something like Mame. Most of those old console emulators we loved 20 years ago were part time projects of a single developer. But why would you want to emulate a console on a Pi when whatever you are accessing this forum from would be better?


Look at me in my Kia, aren't I cool? Best car you can buy, uses the same gas as real cars, but it makes less noise. Fully capable of transporting Taylor Swift, and I don't notice any lag in the steering or brakes.

Proper console emulation is actually a lot more difficult than any single arcade driver in MAME.  Individual pieces of arcade hardware were typically under utilized, and only ran a handful of games so you have a lot of room for bad emulation without it being immediately obvious.  This is why a lot of the console drivers in MAME don't have the best compatibility rates yet, doing it properly is hard.

The Pi appears to run console stuff well because people are only really testing it and developing it against the most common cases, in reality most of the emulators aren't that good at all, it's all an illusion.
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