So ... 3d Printers....

[Gilrock]

Bunch of my parts are arriving.  My Misumi black aluminum extrusions are already in.  I have an E3D and a Dragon hot end because I ordered one and then read about the other.  I have 2 different build plate kits on order.  They guys at DigMach took several days to reply and I had already ordered one from China.  But I kinda liked the looks of the DigMach set and it was higher wattage so I'll probably have an extra set if any AZ folks need one.

[yotsuya]

I’ve been building the Voron Afterburner hot end gantry. It’s cool to see it come together.



Here’s the extruder. I’m just waiting for the heat inserts to come in so I can finalize the assembly.


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[nitrogen_widget]

I’ve been building the Voron Afterburner hot end gantry. It’s cool to see it come together.



Here’s the extruder. I’m just waiting for the heat inserts to come in so I can finalize the assembly.


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those are some round circles.
very nice.

[yotsuya]

I’ve been building the Voron Afterburner hot end gantry. It’s cool to see it come together.



Here’s the extruder. I’m just waiting for the heat inserts to come in so I can finalize the assembly.


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those are some round circles.
very nice.

Yep - couldn’t have done that without the aluminum frame!


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[nitrogen_widget]

I’ve been building the Voron Afterburner hot end gantry. It’s cool to see it come together.



Here’s the extruder. I’m just waiting for the heat inserts to come in so I can finalize the assembly.


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those are some round circles.
very nice.

Yep - couldn’t have done that without the aluminum frame!


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I noticed my circles were off a tad on my chiron.
which means i need to check the belts, bearings and for loose screws then recalibrate e-steps as last resort.

[yotsuya]

I still need two more parts before I can install the actual hot end, but this has been fun to print and assemble!



Heat inserts are awesome to work with!!


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[Gilrock]

Cool yots...not sure when I'll get to assemble mine.  The fans from Digikey had a 4 month backorder.  So many parts arriving and I'll be held up from simple fans.

[yotsuya]

Yeah, one of them things I’m waiting for is a blower motor. It’s been stuck in Oklahoma for a week now, so I just ordered one right now from Amazon, it’ll be here tomorrow.


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[Gilrock]

Well they told me the fans were back ordered until 6/20 but I double-checked status and now they've shipped them already.  Gotta watch some of these websites.  I thought I was paying about $168 but they shipped in 3 different deliveries and now my total they charged me is $209.  McMaster Carr does the same thing.  They shipped my entire order except for these tiny 1mm washers.  Those got shipped from somewhere else so an extra $9 shipping.  It was such a small envelope my wife said they ripped you off on shipping...lol.

[yotsuya]

Have you guys used heat inserts yet? They’ve awesome!



So much nicer than just screwing directing into the plastic. You use a heated soldering iron to heat the insert, and then push it into the hole. They go in firmly and are snug.

Word of advice. Make sure you ordered the M3x4mmLx5mmOD ones. If you ordered the M3x5mmLx4mmOD ones, they aren’t going to work. I speak from experience.


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[Gilrock]

Well you had me thinking I ordered the wrong ones because I knew mine were 3x5x4 but the ones on AliExpress have the diameter as the middle number so I think I'm ok.
Product properties: M3 X D5.0 X L4.0

[yotsuya]

Well you had me thinking I ordered the wrong ones because I knew mine were 3x5x4 but the ones on AliExpress have the diameter as the middle number so I think I'm ok.
Product properties: M3 X D5.0 X L4.0

Yeah, Ali and Amazon both list them differently. So if you bought them from Ali, you’re Golden.

They’re fun to use. I picked up a special soldering tip to insert them, but you can use a regular clean soldering tip.


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[yotsuya]

Ok, I spent the afternoon replacing the white X carriage parts on my machine. Since the new frame is so dialed in, I felt comfortable printing these high precision parts in PETG.

So now all the parts on the printer match the color theme. Waiting on some wiring to come in so I can install the Voron Afterburner extruder. Good times!




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[BadMouth]

Looking good.
Notice any less ghosting n stuff with the improved frame?

[yotsuya]

Looking good.
Notice any less ghosting n stuff with the improved frame?

Oh yeah - I can print at higher speeds, with much greater accuracy. My circles are perfectly round as well


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[Gilrock]

I'm attempting to build one of those Lack table enclosures for my son's printer so he could print ABS for the Voron.  He printed all the parts for it but the table is not tall enough so I've got to figure out how to modify the design.  I had already ordered the plastic before I figured that out so I've got to modify in a way to hopefully still use those pieces.  Thinking it should be a making a wooden square piece to raise the top up more.  His printer uses a bowden drive so it has a stiff wooden tube that loops up over the top along with a wire bundle which makes you need at least 6 more inches above the printer.

[BadMouth]

Maybe you could scale up the topper for the V0 or do something similar.
(flip table upside down)

[BadMouth]

Hey Gilrock, what was the determination on the size of the bowden tube required for the Voron 2.4?
I saw the sourcing guide was updated to say that the size depending on your setup, but am still unclear if that means filament size or bowden vs direct drive.
What ID did you end up ordering?

[yotsuya]

Are you guys going Bowden or Direct Drive on your Voron? My friend suggested Direct, as does everything else I’ve seen.


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[yotsuya]

I'm attempting to build one of those Lack table enclosures for my son's printer so he could print ABS for the Voron.  He printed all the parts for it but the table is not tall enough so I've got to figure out how to modify the design.  I had already ordered the plastic before I figured that out so I've got to modify in a way to hopefully still use those pieces.  Thinking it should be a making a wooden square piece to raise the top up more.  His printer uses a bowden drive so it has a stiff wooden tube that loops up over the top along with a wire bundle which makes you need at least 6 more inches above the printer.

I built a Lack enclosure that’s designed a bit taller:

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2751130


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[Gilrock]

I found the sourcing guide has several mismatches with the BOM spreadsheet you get from the configurator so I've been using the BOM as the master.  It said "PTFE Tube (4mm OD 3mm ID) - 1m" so that's what I ordered and will see how it works out.

[Gilrock]

I'm attempting to build one of those Lack table enclosures for my son's printer so he could print ABS for the Voron.  He printed all the parts for it but the table is not tall enough so I've got to figure out how to modify the design.  I had already ordered the plastic before I figured that out so I've got to modify in a way to hopefully still use those pieces.  Thinking it should be a making a wooden square piece to raise the top up more.  His printer uses a bowden drive so it has a stiff wooden tube that loops up over the top along with a wire bundle which makes you need at least 6 more inches above the printer.

I built a Lack enclosure that’s designed a bit taller:

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2751130


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Thanks for the link...  Yes I also saw a couple other designs after I had already ordered the plastic sides so now I'm trying to decide a way to not throw those pieces out. 

[Gilrock]

I kinda like BadMouths idea of something similar to the V0 enclosure but my son's feed tube and wires currently loop up over the top back rail of the frame.  The Bowden drive is attached exterior to the frame cube so its not inside that cube space for an easy way to contain it.

[Gilrock]

I looked back at the photo I posted and that was when he first built it and the tubing is not even installed in that photo.

[BadMouth]

Are you guys going Bowden or Direct Drive on your Voron? My friend suggested Direct, as does everything else I’ve seen.

Direct drive.  The stepper motor was out of stock in the US, so I ended up ordering it from China (from stepperonline).  Only shipping option it gave was DHL.  $20 shipping on an $8 motor. 
Not even trying to have a budget at this point.  Mostly what's left to order at this point is the hotend and boards.  A long interview with the guy from E3D popped up in my youtube feed and I listened to it while getting ready for work this morning.  Sounds like they are coming out with a new hotend, possibly with copper heatsinks, possibly a replacement for the V6.  I will wait, as my black extrusion won't be here until May and will very likely be the last thing to arrive.

Been dealing with personal stuff and long work hours, but I hope to have Voron parts coming off the mp mini select by this weekend.  I just try to accomplish one thing a day with the one free hour I have.
The Marlin firmware build I had been using became corrupted somehow, so I started over with Visual Studio as Atom is no longer recommended.
As of this morning, the mp mini had the new board installed with a fresh Marlin build and seemed to be working fine.
This evening I will finish my leveling process of printing .3mm tall squares in each corner and measuring them with calipers, then print a new hotend mount out of ABS so it won't sag.
The enclosure gets to and holds at 90 degrees Fahrenheit fairly quickly with only the bed heating it.  Not sure how much higher it will go when left alone for hours.

[yotsuya]

I got my stepperonline pancake motor from eBay for 10 bucks I think.


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[Gilrock]

BadMouth where did you order those extrusions from?  I ordered from Misumi and they got here fairly quick.  They are black anodized.

I ordered the Voron stepper motor kit with all 7 motors from StepperOnline and it was $14.81 shipping.  They got here fairly fast.

[Mike A]

I don't know anything about 3D printers.

Isn't there a model out there that does what you guys want without spending a bunch of time, money, and frustration trying to modify a cheap one?

I am not trying to be critical. I am just curious.

[yotsuya]

I don't know anything about 3D printers.

Isn't there a model out there that does what you guys want without spending a bunch of time, money, and frustration trying to modify a cheap one?

I am not trying to be critical. I am just curious.

Sure, but they’ll cost you a lot. The fun is in the tinkering, for me. Can’t wait to build my Voron.

Let’s put it this way - what’s more fun, buying a $100 Pac-Man and restoring it, or dropping $3000 on Barcade Trent’s restored one? One will save you time, but cost a lot more. The other is cheaper, and you’ll learn a lot from the process. It depends on what you’re looking for.

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[Mike A]

I understand what you are saying. I guess I consider it a tool. And I don't like tinkering with my tools. I just want them to do their job.

I have my answer now. Carry on.

I like reading these posts because I don't have a 3D printer.

[yotsuya]

I understand what you are saying. I guess I consider it a tool. And I don't like tinkering with my tools. I just want them to do their job.

I have my answer now. Carry on.

I like reading these posts because I don't have a 3D printer.

I was the SAME EXACT WAY..... until I bought one.

I find the tinkering enjoyable.

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[BadMouth]

I looked into a Makerbot, but they have become expensive.  I also felt like it might lock me into their software and filament.

Closest thing to what we are building would be Daedalus. https://www.projectr3d.com/shop/p/daedalus
I didn't find out about them until after ordering most of the Voron parts.
Probably couldn't bring myself to spend that much anyway.

I am surprised that I laid out the money for Voron parts, but felt like a cheaper prebuilt printer would nickel and dime me on upgrades then fail to perform anyway.
I am not real comfortable with what I've spent, but hopefully the end result will be worth it.

[yotsuya]

I looked into a Makerbot, but they have become expensive.  I also felt like it might lock me into their software and filament.

Closest thing to what we are building would be Daedalus. https://www.projectr3d.com/shop/p/daedalus
I didn't find out about them until after ordering most of the Voron parts.
Probably couldn't bring myself to spend that much anyway.

I am surprised that I laid out the money for Voron parts, but felt like a cheaper prebuilt printer would nickel and dime me on upgrades then fail to perform anyway.
I am not real comfortable with what I've spent, but hopefully the end result will be worth it.

I hear you. I think you’ll be happy with the Voron. Having a friend who can vouch for it goes a long way for me. I’ve seen the quality firsthand.


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[BadMouth]

I understand what you are saying. I guess I consider it a tool. And I don't like tinkering with my tools. I just want them to do their job.

I have my answer now. Carry on.

I like reading these posts because I don't have a 3D printer.

I was the SAME EXACT WAY..... until I bought one.

I find the tinkering enjoyable.

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I still kinda laugh about the fact that most people use them to print figurines.  It reminded me of the King of The Hill episode where Peggy was obsessed with miniatures.  Upon review, it was Hank's mother who was obsessed with miniatures which isn't as funny for some reason.  (sorry Nitrogen_Widget)

I vowed to only print useful stuff, but since getting one I have also started tinkering with cheap 1/16th scale WPL RC trucks.
I couldn't resist the urge to print 1/16th scale coolers/chainsaws, and other accessories for them.  It's easy to scale an STL to whatever size you want.

I have become what I previously ridiculed. 

[Gilrock]

I'm itching to print this:

[yotsuya]

I understand what you are saying. I guess I consider it a tool. And I don't like tinkering with my tools. I just want them to do their job.

I have my answer now. Carry on.

I like reading these posts because I don't have a 3D printer.

I was the SAME EXACT WAY..... until I bought one.

I find the tinkering enjoyable.

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I still kinda laugh about the fact that most people use them to print figurines.  It reminded me of the King of The Hill episode where Peggy was obsessed with miniatures.  Upon review, it was Hank's mother who was obsessed with miniatures which isn't as funny for some reason.  (sorry Nitrogen_Widget)

I vowed to only print useful stuff, but since getting one I have also started tinkering with cheap 1/16th scale WPL RC trucks.
I couldn't resist the urge to print 1/16th scale coolers/chainsaws, and other accessories for them.  It's easy to scale an STL to whatever size you want.

I have become what I previously ridiculed. 

I have printed a million of these. Just printed this last night. If you’re a BYOACer who went to ZapCon, you probably have one.



I bet you 90% of what I printed have been upgrades to this machine. :-)


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[yotsuya]

I'm itching to print this:

That’s bad ass


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[Gilrock]

Yeah the guy uploaded all his STL files but there is nothing showing which piece goes where or how many of each piece you need.  People asked for instructions and he said he had uploaded all the instructions and somehow the site he used to upload deleted his entire description so he said just forget it.  Now its been a couple years and he seemed to have disappeared.  But its one of those things where you probably have nowhere to store it.

[BadMouth]

I am amazed at how little airflow it takes to warp ABS (at least 5yo ABS of unknown quality).  My heatsink fan was loose and wasn't staying put, but whatever direction it was facing was the place where the ABS warped.  It was pulling air from that direction, but was also throwing a little air to the side of the blades.  I flipped the direction to pull air from the heatsink and couldn't feel any air to the sides, but the part still warped.  Installed the elbow pictured and the warping problem has miraculously stopped.  At least the current part has passed the point where it previously failed.  The highest temp that I can maintain on the bed is 89 and the edges aren't as hot.  That is holding me back from doing full plates of parts.

With the mini back up and running, I decided to try and improve the Mega.  Nearly every print off of it has been disappointing despite spending hours testing and adjusting slicer setting.  It was like it randomly underextruded and overextruded. This evening I installed a V6 heatsink and heatbreak on the spare stock hotend and nozzle.  The difference was immediately noticeable.  The filament flowed smoothly and the first print looked worlds better.  Unfortunately although the mega hotend looks like a V6, the real deal is a half inch shorter so the parts cooler is below the nozzle.  Bought this thing so I'd have a printer to use while messing with other printers.  Now it is also a project.

[BadMouth]

Getting consistent full plates of ABS parts off the mini now.  The last (I hope) piece of the puzzle was giving the pei sheet a quick wipe of acetone between prints.

Ordered wires for the Voron today and strayed from the BOM a bit.  It calls for 220ft of 24awg silicone wire and the sourcing guide links to a pack of 5 <20ft spools in assorted colors.  Running all those separate strands for the steppers bugs me.  Both because of spaghetti and the rainbow visible through the drag chain.  The four steppers on the z-axis are stationary and the wire they come with is plenty long enough.  I opted for a 50ft roll of 4 conductor black silicone wire instead.  The conductor on one edge is marked and that's all you really need for a stepper motor. Ordered one pack of the stuff in the sourcing guide for limit switches and such.

The BOM only calls for 10ft of the 20awg wire.  I'm assuming it's mostly for power distribution, so ordered a roll of black and red 2 conductor instead of the assortment.  If any of this was the wrong move, I can get wire quickly from Amazon.

Not sure what I'm doing for the drag chain yet.  The cheap stuff I've used on other projects doesn't lay flat.