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Golden Tee Fore won't start
« on: November 15, 2016, 10:47:33 am »
I've got a Golden Tee Fore that I cannot get to start up. It has the green/blue board in it instead of the red board. The hard drive was replaced as an attempt to get it back up and running. The hard drive is set in stand alone operation rather than master or slave. And the voltage is at 5.02 Vdc. On start up it will say that a hard drive is detected and instantly resets and does the same. Any thoughts?

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Re: Golden Tee Fore won't start
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2016, 03:26:50 pm »
first:

when you replaced the harddrive, did you upgrade the boot rom too as well?

the older versions of eagle bootrom don't work correctly with newer hard drives, the latest version boot rom was patched to fix this issue. (version 2.09)

Second:

your voltage ON the board should be about 5.1 volts. if you measure at the power supply at 5.02, by the time it makes it through the harness and the jamma connector through to some of the chips on the board it could be as low as 4.8 or lower.

I pick a inline package chip on the board somewhere away from the JAMMA connector and probe the pin opposite the pin 1 indicator....it's usually the Vcc (which is the 5 volt rail) and adjust the voltage to read about 5.0 to 5.1 right there.

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Re: Golden Tee Fore won't start
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2016, 03:47:04 pm »
I did not upgrade the boot rom when the hard drive was replaced. It was replaced to resolve the same issue that I'm having new. It's obvious that it wasn't the solution now. Lol so I will just put the old hard drive back in there so I don't have to upgrade the boot rom. I tried using the dial on the power supply and the voltage did not change no matter where the dial was turned to. So sounds like I'm gonna need a new power supply to up the voltage to get it at 5.2vdc at the board?

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Re: Golden Tee Fore won't start
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2016, 03:56:37 pm »
stop right there
why would u not upgrade to 2.09 ?
your logic fails me in every way possiable
a=the old drive could have nothing but errors on it (causing this)
b=with the bootrom u can use any harddrive size u wish (2.09)
c=if u just did a clone of the old harddrive ? u just copyed over the same problem.
i have gone to extensive effort to detail the do's and do nots on these boards (both green/red)
please read and follow the insturcitons
i agree with the power supply problem
but as a rule at 4.9 volts the board should boot to a screen to tell u (voltage-low/normal/high)

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Re: Golden Tee Fore won't start
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2016, 04:17:30 pm »
be cautious, some of these power supplies have an adjustment for the 5 volt as well as some have a 3.3 volt adjustment as well. (even if unused) make sure you aren't tweaking the wrong adjustment.

if you bought a replacement drive (say off ebay) they probably should have supplied one for you. (most listings for replacement drives i've seen also include the bootrom.

if you copied the old drive... your "new drive" is no better than your old drive and will have the same broken bits copied over.

the TL;DR on the bootrom is the old boot rom versions required a drive capable of telling the system it was the only harddrive. (the original drive did this... newer drives do not)

if your replacement drive is an older drive capable of being set as a "single" drive, (has single SP/master/slave/CS settings) you don't need to change the bootrom for a new one. the drive just needs to be configured as a single/master drive

if your replacement drive is a newer drive with only master/slave/CS settings, you need a newer version bootrom.

long version:

Each IDE/ATA channel can support either one or two devices. IDE/ATA devices each contain their own integrated controllers, and so in order to maintain order on the channel, it is necessary to have some way of differentiating between the two devices. This is done by giving each device a designation as either master or slave, and then having the controller address commands and data to either one or the other. The drive that is the target of the command responds to it, and the other one ignores the command, remaining silent.

Devices are designated as master or slave using jumpers, small connectors that fit over pairs of pins to program the drive through hardware. Each manufacturer uses a different combination of jumpers for specifying whether its drive is master or slave on the channel. As long as one drive is jumpered as master and the other as slave, any two IDE/ATA/ATAPI devices should work together on a single channel. Unfortunately, some older hard disks will fail to work properly when they are placed on a channel with another manufacturer's disk.

One of the reasons why drives don't always "play nicely together" has to do with the Drive Active / Signal Present (/DASP) signal. This is an IDE/ATA interface signal carried on pin #39, which is used for two functions: indicating that a drive is active (during operation), and also indicating that a slave drive is present on the channel (at startup). Some early drives and computers don't handle this signal properly (a residue of poor adherence to ATA standards many years ago).

When using only a single drive on a channel, Newer hard disks have only a jumper for master or slave; when the drive is being used solo on a channel it should be set to master. Other manufacturers, notably Western Digital, actually have three settings for their drives: master, slave, and single. The last setting is intended for use when the drive is alone on the channel. This type of disk should be set to single, and not master, when being used alone.

Newer computers fixed this issue with the IDE/ATA interface by simply timing out if there was no response from a slave drive. (or no connection)

So the issue arises that the Golden tee board waits for the signal from the drives to ensure they are ready to boot. in a nutshell the original hard drive says "yes i'm ready...I'm also the only drive...so don't bother waiting for any other drives" the game says okay and proceeds to boot... the newer drives say "yes i'm ready." then the computer waits for a response from a slave drive that never comes... thinks there is something wrong and reboots in an attempt to fix the issue, hoping to hear from the drive again after a reboot.

the latest eagle bootrom fixes this issue by forcing the boot process to continue with only one drive because there was only ever one drive to begin with.

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Re: Golden Tee Fore won't start
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2016, 04:28:35 pm »
wow that was tech :)

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Re: Golden Tee Fore won't start
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2016, 05:51:28 pm »
Alright, i got home and verified some information and found out I gave some incorrect statements. My bad! lol

The board is actually the red version. The boot rom was replaced with an Eagle V2.09 when the hard drive was replaced.

When the unit is powered up the main red board has both of the green LEDs blinking indicating it is "good" according to the manual.

The screen says
"Eagle 40 HB System Boot ROM Version: 2.09
(C) 1999-2005 Incredible Technologies
Detecting IDE hard drive
3
Hard drive detected"

Once the hard drive detected shows up that is when the text goes away and it starts over.

I've tried switching it to to a master w/ slave setting on the hard drive and the same result.

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Re: Golden Tee Fore won't start
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2016, 05:58:36 pm »
I've tried switching it to to a master w/ slave setting on the hard drive and the same result.

it needs to be set as single or master. either way will work fine with the 2.09



the red version board is one of those boards that usually has a unisan power supply with a 3.3 and a 5 volt adjustments on it. but sometimes just the 3.3 volt.

verify that the red wires are 5 volt, the orange wires are 3.3 volts and the yellow 12 volts. (but sometimes these colors are mixed up with 12 volt being orange your cabinet may vary)

luckily a standard ATX computer power supply wil operate these boards just fine.

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Re: Golden Tee Fore won't start
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2016, 07:45:59 pm »
to be honest here
with 2.09 in u have a few options
first how ever with status 1/2 blinking (good) i highly doubt u have a power problem
u have to understand that on the (red board) the start up 3.3volt comes from the power supply (led1)
so if it is blinking u have a safe bet the power supply is in range (u get lots of time to chk this later)
what i would do is first find out what version of gt u have ? 4 is perty generic
u53 will tell by the #'s used on it , my guess is it will be a complete
then i would google goldentee.chd
it will lead u to a site u can download the chd file
i would fully clean the drive any drive  (ide) u have
take out the jumpers or set to master
and un-chd the complete file to the drive
then see what u get , if it went well ? u will have a complete to play
just make sure u53 matchs the s/w u want to use (red) is the last gen of its-gamming golden tee board set series
so my best take is it will be a complete

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