GroovyMame 0.171 asio with LCD (again)

[ApB1]

Hi

I know that GroovyMame is optimized for CRT and i use it in my Cab without any problems,
but i would like to use it on my Desktop-PC instead MameUI64/MameUIFX64.

PC is
Windows 10/64bit
i7
Nvidia GTX970
Benq Monitor 2560x1440, 30-222khz, 23-144hz

I created Refreshrates with the Nvidia Tool (all for 2560x1440): 23, 24, 25, 30, 33, 35, 40, 48-62, 66, 70, 72, 75, 80, 90, 96, 99, 100, 110, 120, 140, 144 - all testet and worked ok

With MameUI64/MameUIFX64 i used 'resoluton' 2560x1440 and 'refresh' auto
If i start, for example, R-Type MameUI64/FX64 switch to 56hz and the game runs at 102% (ok 55hz was nearer to original R-Type but Mame rounds up to 56hz and its OK for me)

If i start any game with GroovyMame it cant change the Refresrate. My Desktop-Refreshrate is 144hz and GroovyMame starts every game at 144hz
I tried many different settings in the mame.ini but the Refreshrate is always at 144hz

this shows the command window:
Video chipset is not compatible.

SwitchRes: [magmax] (1) horizontal (256x224@60.000000)->(2560x1440@60.000000)
Average speed: 240.01% (3 seconds)

it looks that GroovyMame change the refreshrate to 60hz but but my monitorinfo shows 144hz and the game runs at 240%

i know that Nvidia is not compatible with GroovyMame but the right refreshrates are present in my Windows (created with the Nvidia tool and also at the right place in the Registry/EDID)

Thanks...

My last mame.ini

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[machyavel]

Try to change your desktop resolution to anything but 2560x1440 before using groovymame.

[ApB1]

i changed my Desktopresolution to 1920x1080  50hz and started a game:

D:\Emulation\MAME\__MAME32\_GroovyMame>GroovyMame64_0171asio magmax
Video chipset is not compatible.
SwitchRes: [magmax] (1) horizontal (256x224@60.000000)->(1920x1080@60.000000)

GroovyMame dont try to change the Resolution to 2560x1440  as defined in the mame.ini
and it dont changed the refreshrate to 60 hz (1920x1080) as shown above, my Monitor Info shows 50hz


Of course, if i change to the right refresh rate before i start a game that it runs at the right refresh rate.
But i would run GroovyMame with an Frontend like MaLa and i wish that GroovyMame changes to the right refreshrate automatically...

[machyavel]

Ok sorry, had this kind of issue on my CRT+LCD setup (i.e. GM cannot change a res that desktop is set to).

Unfortunately I have no experience in running GM on multisync LCD.

Anyway you should post a log so one can have a look at what's going on.

[lettuce]

I think what you need to do what your asking is either a Freesync or Gsync monitor.

As with my Gsync Asus monitor all i have to do is change....

waitvsync 0
monitor   lcd
lcd_range 50-144
triplebuffer 0

in mame.ini set the

Then test with Mortal Kombat on the title screen where the character avatars are scrolling down either side of the screen, they should be scrolling completely smoothly

[ApB1]

Ok, the FreeSync and GSync solutions are another solution approaches (my Benq Monitor has FreeSync but my GraphicCard is a Nvidia GTX970 ;-(  )

But i don't understand why GroovyMame can't change the Refreshrates which are disposal by Windows/EDID/Nvidia driver.

in my make.ini i have set
lock_system_modes         0

so why can't GroovyMame grab the right Refreshrate which provides the OS ?

and why can't GroovyMame not switch the Resolution?
for a Test i changed the desktop resolution to 1920x1080@50hz,
in the mame.ini is the resolution set to:

screen0                   \\.\DISPLAY1
aspect0                   auto
resolution0               2560x1440@0

but the game started with the test resolution 1920x1080@50hz

[Calamity]

so why can't GroovyMame grab the right Refreshrate which provides the OS ?

and why can't GroovyMame not switch the Resolution?

Because you're using the "lcd" monitor preset, which is supposed to keep the desktop resolution whatever it is.

If you want automatic mode switching, you need to create a monitor preset of the "crt_range" type. Post a log of a random game with your current config (not mame.ini, a log).

[ApB1]

ok i would try with a crt range type

but what for is the option
lcd_range                 49-144 ?

[oomek]

I have the same problem. Did you get this working on your LCD?

[ApB1]

until now - no

i dont know how i can create a right CRT preset with my specifications (25-222khz 23-144hz)
but i dont understand the option 'lcd_range' is what for.
It seems it must do the same but it doesnt.

[Calamity]

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,152146.0.html

[ApB1]

hi,
here the LOG.
in the LOG it seems the game startet with 60hz but it starts with 144hz.

[ApB1]

Ok, after reading the other liked thread and some testing i got one step forwarth.

but now, the 'cleanstretch' option and the 'filter' option does not work

[oomek]

It was also explained in the thread I started. 0.171 is forcing prescaler to 3

[ApB1]

Ok, one more -

R-Type starts correctly in 55 hz, the 'prescale 1' option (in command line not in mame.ini) works

'Magmax' and, for example 'Elevator Arction', both 60hz games, choose 48hz and 'prescale 1' is not working, and the aspect of the games are not correct.
Both games are stretched 16:9 Fullscreen

[oomek]

You need also to add -filter in the commandline

[ApB1]

ok, the filter option works by magmax and elevator action but in R-Type 'prescale 1' works fine without the 'filter' option.

the problems with 48hz instead 60hz and 16:9 Fullscreenstretch in magmax and elevator action is still present.

[Calamity]

Remind to add the option -aspect 16:9 in mame.ini, this is required in order to calculate the correct aspect.

Version 171 still had the old scaling options. Since then, integer scaling has been implemented natively in MAME, in combination with -unevenstretchx etc, which now do a much better job.

I'd rather you used updated versions so I didn't need to troubleshoot older ones which worked in a different way. The specific issue with the wrong refresh being selected, is the one I'm interested in, I'd like to see how v0.179 behaves on that.

I know you're sticking to 171 for D3D9ex and ASIO but unfortunately you'll need to live without those until we find a way to replace/reimplement both.

[ApB1]

i tried groovymame64 0.179

Magmax run at 60hz but infoscreen shows 48hz
R-Type run at 60hz but infoscreen shows 55hz

[oomek]

I have exactly the same problem with 0.179, all games are running at 60Hz even though the log says otherwise. That's the main reason (apart from the obvious d3d9ex benefits) i'm sticking with 0.171

Update: it's worth to mention that it's a bgfx problem, not the 0.179. It happens also in 0.171. But I have no other option since d3d9ex is missing.
It would be awesome if the dev has decided to implement back the d3d9ex renderer.

[ApB1]

my Situation is:

in GroovyMame 0.171

Magmax, Elevator Action etc. (all original 60hz) runs with 48hz, Log shows 48hz
R-Type (original 55hz) runs with 55hz, Log shows 55hz

GroovyMae 0.179
Magmax, Elevator Action etc. (all original 60hz) runs with 60hz, Log shows 48hz
R-Type (original 55hz) runs with 60hz, Log shows 55hz

besides the other Refresh Problems (between groovy 0.171 and groovy 0.179)
why does GroovyMame set the 60hz games to 48hz? (48hz is my lowest for GroovyMame released refresh rate)

[ApB1]

my Situation is:

in GroovyMame 0.171
Magmax, Elevator Action etc. (all original 60hz) runs with 48hz, Log shows 48hz
R-Type (original 55hz) runs with 55hz, Log shows 55hz

GroovyMame 0.179
Magmax, Elevator Action etc. (all original 60hz) runs with 60hz, Log shows 48hz
R-Type (original 55hz) runs with 60hz, Log shows 55hz

besides the other Refresh Problems (between groovy 0.171 and groovy 0.179)
why does GroovyMame try to set or set the 60hz games to 48hz? (48hz is my lowest for GroovyMame released refresh rate)

[Calamity]

1.- The issue with rtype is due to bgfx (same as oomek reported). Use -video d3d and it will be ok.

2.- The issue with magmax is different, is due to the pick-best-mode algorithm not working properly with the automatic crt_range we're introducing and the lcd case. It could probably be fixed by tweaking the crt_range, I'll check when I have some time.

[Calamity]

This should fix issue 2:

crt_range0 75120.00-98595.00,48.00-63.00,0.287,0.347,0.634,0.004,0.013,0.100,0,1,1344,1440,0,0

(lower back porch and some border tolerance (224 * 6 = 1344)

As an attempt to fix issue 1, check the google drive for this file: groovymame64_0179.016_alpha3_test.7z
It should fix the full screen refresh issue, not sure if iit has any undesired side effect.

[oomek]

Your test build works, no more 60hz. Unfortunately I'll have to emphasize it again. The latency with bgfx is not even neart that what can be achieved with d3d9ex. I'm begging you, please add it back.

[Calamity]

Your test build works, no more 60hz. Unfortunately I'll have to emphasize it again. The latency with bgfx is not even neart that what can be achieved with d3d9ex.

I'm really interested in knowing how much difference there is, you said you are measuring it with an arduino, do you have any figures to compare?

[oomek]

I was going to do it right now, but my camera refused to work saying the battery reached the end of it's life and needs to be replaced. Murphy's law at it's best. Trying to recharge it now, be patient please.

[oomek]

Damn thing still refuses to work. Bought a new battery on Amazon, will arrive tomorrow.

[ApB1]

This should fix issue 2:

crt_range0 75120.00-98595.00,48.00-63.00,0.287,0.347,0.634,0.004,0.013,0.100,0,1,1344,1440,0,0

(lower back porch and some border tolerance (224 * 6 = 1344)

this change have sovled the problem on both versions 0.171asio and 0179.016_alpha3_test

Magmax runs now with 60hz
but R-Type runs now with 54hz (55hz before the change in the crt_range)

[oomek]

@Calamity OK, I've done a lot of measurements and the results will shock you. I hope you'll understand now my stubbornness.

XLS with a report:
https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=1EF40962E42ABF0B!442&ithint=file%2cxlsx&app=Excel&authkey=!AHU5WnqbyUsYejo

Folder with high speed videos:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0ByeL6qQUr-iUeDYtWnN5SXR3V3M

I measured the latency using the following method:
Orange led turning on as a start frame and as an end frame the dim one just before head of the ninja starts fading(my TV goes dim a little on every vblank, so it was easy to spot).

Can't wait for your decision.

p.s. The lag difference between frame_delay 2 and 10 is negligible as you can see. That's why I use 10. That gives me total control over a tear line (it's stable as a rock, always in one place)

p.s.2 Don't mind a huge latency of my TV. It has 60ms on average.  That's why every ms matters to me. I'm planning to upgrade soon to something faster.