Opinion on my machine

[SAVAGExMLGPRO]

I was wondering what people thought of this machine so far. i haven't finished it all the way but here is a link to youtube im basing it off of.

[yotsuya]

Looks tall and wide.

[Nephasth]

Can it play Galaga?

[SAVAGExMLGPRO]

Looks tall and wide.

very tall, its only about 33" wide

Can it play Galaga?

it can play every mame game. Using a raspberry pi 3 with retropie installed onto it

[FALSE]

Looking good so far!
What type/size monitor are you going to use?
Build thread?

[Slippyblade]

very tall, its only about 33" wide

Can it play Galaga?

it can play every mame game. Using a raspberry pi 3 with retropie installed onto it
[/quote]

That was a community joke.  It's referencing the fact that showing any non-arcade junky a MAME machine, their first response tends to be, "Can it play Galaga?"

[BadMouth]

Design looks decent so far.  Center panels might be recessed from the edges a bit much.

it can play every mame game. Using a raspberry pi 3 with retropie installed onto it

Post video of it running Ridge Racer, Gauntlet Legends, & Deathsmiles. 

[tomstewdevine]

It's not finished, but from what you have it's too wide, and too tall.

[paigeoliver]

A pi3 cannot run every mame game.

I feel like you are building a big expensive project and then cheaping out on a critical component. You are building a brand new hot rod and installing a 30cc lawnmower engine in it, when you could probably get a free V8 with a few minutes of asking around.

The pi is the worst possible thing available that anyone is actually powering their cabinets with.

Looks tall and wide.

very tall, its only about 33" wide

Can it play Galaga?

it can play every mame game. Using a raspberry pi 3 with retropie installed onto it

[cj138]

It looks like you are on track to build a similar cab as the link. Interested to see the progression!

[Titchgamer]

A pi3 cannot run every mame game.

I feel like you are building a big expensive project and then cheaping out on a critical component. You are building a brand new hot rod and installing a 30cc lawnmower engine in it, when you could probably get a free V8 with a few minutes of asking around.

The pi is the worst possible thing available that anyone is actually powering their cabinets with.

Looks tall and wide.

very tall, its only about 33" wide

Can it play Galaga?

it can play every mame game. Using a raspberry pi 3 with retropie installed onto it

Bit harsh!

They aint great but have a place.

Admitidly I would only use one for something space limited personally (bar top for instance) but hell the size of that cab you could fit my works server unit in there!!

[opt2not]

Paige is spot on. (I don't think it was a harsh reply either. this is an opinion thread, and he wasn't being antagonistic, just anecdotal).

The pi is only perfect for pre-90's arcade games and up to 16-bit era console games. though I've seen the n64 emulation on it and it's decent. But some titles after that will not run 100%,and don't even think about running any of the 3D polygon arcade games.
Typically the Pi is better suited for smaller projects like mini-cabs and bartops.

With your full-sized machine you could mount a good secondhand PC in there that will run everything without hiccups, and those machines can be had for cheaper than a full pi set-up.

Personally I don't think the Pi is there yet to have a place in this hobby. yet being the key word, since there are people improving on the emulators these days so perhaps one day it'll be solid like an actual PC.

As for the size/shape, etc...  the design is interesting. It has a sort-of Vewlix cabinet look to the base.  But as the guys said, it's too tall and wide.
An average arcade cabinet's width is usually around 28-30". Consider an Dynamo HS-5 (classic conversion cabinet that you would normally find Street Fighter 2 in),  which is pretty much the defacto average size cabinet that hosts a 30" width and a 75" height.  Normally showcase cabinets have a much large width, at around 33", but those have pedestal-like control panels.

I would cut a bunch of inches off the width and see about getting the height down to 75" or lower. It would make your cabinet much easier to deal with, as well as easier to offload if you ever plan on selling it in the future.

[Titchgamer]

Paige is spot on. (I don't think it was a harsh reply either. this is an opinion thread, and he wasn't being antagonistic, just anecdotal).

Typically the Pi is better suited for smaller projects like mini-cabs and bartops.

I meant harsh to the Pi not the OP

You said it yourself they are good for smaller projects which is what I said above

I had a go with a Pi just for the hell of it to see what it was like more than anything and it emulated all the classics perfectly well which is exactly what I would want it to do if I was building a cab with it.
No it cant play really heavy games but I would not expect to be playing those on a small machine either.

The point is it has a place and to dissmiss it as "the worst possible thing available that anyone is actually powering their cabinets with." is IMO harsh.

The downside to the Pi is the shear amount of work required compared to the gain.

Where as you can set up a low end PC running a FE and mame with all the nice box art etc quite quickly doing the same for the Pi takes ALOT of time.
You certainly cant just dump a full rom set on it and expect it to work you need to rebuild the set, sift through all the stuff that wont work, take ages transfering all the files over and then start looking at the nice bits.
Not to mention the whole powering up and down bits etc.
Admitidly though once you have a good set up it is very quick and easy to replicate and reproduce.

But yeah for small projects I think they are wonderfull, But they dont hold a candle to a PC or JAMMA set up.

[opt2not]

Naw, it's not the worst thing to go with, it's just over-hyped and a hellava lot more work to set-up.

Re: heavier games, I would completely expect people want to play some 3D games like virtua fighter or die hard, tekken, Gauntlet Legends, NFL Blitz  on a small form cabinet like a bartop. As far as I know, the Pi cannot emulate these at their full fps in it's current state.  It's questionable whether it ever will.

If you want small-form hardware, you could always get a mini-itx computer that's fast enough to run everything.  That's a decent compromise between size and power.

[SAVAGExMLGPRO]

A pi3 cannot run every mame game.

I feel like you are building a big expensive project and then cheaping out on a critical component. You are building a brand new hot rod and installing a 30cc lawnmower engine in it, when you could probably get a free V8 with a few minutes of asking around.

The pi is the worst possible thing available that anyone is actually powering their cabinets with.

Looks tall and wide.

very tall, its only about 33" wide

Can it play Galaga?

it can play every mame game. Using a raspberry pi 3 with retropie installed onto it

it plays every game that i want to play. So works perfectly fine for me!

It looks like you are on track to build a similar cab as the link. Interested to see the progression!

Thank you very much!

Looking good so far!
What type/size monitor are you going to use?
Build thread?

Im using a 32in tv

It's not finished, but from what you have it's too wide, and too tall.

I really like the length and width of it. I think it reminds me of something old, like playing the games. But also something new, as in using a flat screen tv and making the design smaller and using the same buttons from old machines.

[Malenko]

The pi is perfect.......................





















to netboot my Naomi NetDIMM.

Cab looks too tall and too wide.

[SAVAGExMLGPRO]

The pi is perfect.......................





















to netboot my Naomi NetDIMM.

Cab looks too tall and too wide.

The cab was built by someone else and I just got his plans because i personally liked it and copied it.

[Malenko]

The cab was built by someone else and I just got his plans because i personally liked it and copied it.

That's fine, but here's a pro tip : Don't ask for peoples opinions if you don't want them.
  Maybe rename your thread  "Here's my cab, stroke my ego please" ?

[SAVAGExMLGPRO]

More progress on it! I only have to cut a couple more pieces and mount the tv. I also have to drill the holes for the buttons. It almost there and completed, im actually very happy with this machine build and excited to see it finished!

[opt2not]

If you're really happy with it and excited to get it finished, what's the point of asking for opinions?  Just create a project thread instead and post your progress. Project threads are probably more of what you're looking for in terms of feedback. Most people will likely say "good job" "it looks great" in a proper project thread, rather than an opinion thread where we're lead to think that you're actually looking for honest feedback.

[yotsuya]

The pi is perfect.......................





















to netboot my Naomi NetDIMM.

Cab looks too tall and too wide.

I thought you were going to write "...for me to poop on!"

The style cab you're planning is really associated with two-player fighting games. Do those run well on the Pi?

[SAVAGExMLGPRO]

The pi is perfect.......................





















to netboot my Naomi NetDIMM.

Cab looks too tall and too wide.

I thought you were going to write "...for me to poop on!"

The style cab you're planning is really associated with two-player fighting games. Do those run well on the Pi?

actually i havent played any fighting games yet

[yotsuya]

Best of luck with the build,  my friend!

[paigeoliver]

I am not trying to be a jerk or some sort of elitist when I say the Pi is the worst thing that anyone is using. I am actually just telling the truth.

There are basically only 3 things people are using for Mame.

PC
Xbox
Pi

The pi is absolutely the worst one of the 3, and the only reason you will ever see me endorse an Xbox is because you can pair that up with a 25" TV set to put in an original cabinet. Most don't know it, but there is a serious shortage of 25" arcade monitors. The games from that era ran on the arcade floor 2-3 times as long as the older games and couldn't take advantage of the spare monitors coming out of the gambling industry since those were all 19".

[SAVAGExMLGPRO]

I am not trying to be a jerk or some sort of elitist when I say the Pi is the worst thing that anyone is using. I am actually just telling the truth.

There are basically only 3 things people are using for Mame.

PC
Xbox
Pi

The pi is absolutely the worst one of the 3, and the only reason you will ever see me endorse an Xbox is because you can pair that up with a 25" TV set to put in an original cabinet. Most don't know it, but there is a serious shortage of 25" arcade monitors. The games from that era ran on the arcade floor 2-3 times as long as the older games and couldn't take advantage of the spare monitors coming out of the gambling industry since those were all 19".

Im also playing nes, snes, and any other consoles that are compatible with the raspberry pi. But what im using it for, is just enough! 

[SAVAGExMLGPRO]

Best of luck with the build,  my friend!

Thank you very much!

[Mr. Peabody]

The width is fine. The height might be a bit much, even with a 27" CRT. 33 CRT, maybe. I'd cut those front-sticking feet off.....unless they're a gag to make people eat it when getting up. I'd also bevel the edges of the outer walls.

[paigeoliver]

The console emulators for the pi are certainly better than Mame is. A console emulator just has to emulate a single platform that is usually relatively simple and well understood for its era.

While in Mame every single game is possibly a different platform.

I am not trying to be a jerk or some sort of elitist when I say the Pi is the worst thing that anyone is using. I am actually just telling the truth.

There are basically only 3 things people are using for Mame.

PC
Xbox
Pi

The pi is absolutely the worst one of the 3, and the only reason you will ever see me endorse an Xbox is because you can pair that up with a 25" TV set to put in an original cabinet. Most don't know it, but there is a serious shortage of 25" arcade monitors. The games from that era ran on the arcade floor 2-3 times as long as the older games and couldn't take advantage of the spare monitors coming out of the gambling industry since those were all 19".

Im also playing nes, snes, and any other consoles that are compatible with the raspberry pi. But what im using it for, is just enough!

[Titchgamer]

I am not trying to be a jerk or some sort of elitist when I say the Pi is the worst thing that anyone is using. I am actually just telling the truth.

There are basically only 3 things people are using for Mame.

PC
Xbox
Pi

The pi is absolutely the worst one of the 3, and the only reason you will ever see me endorse an Xbox is because you can pair that up with a 25" TV set to put in an original cabinet. Most don't know it, but there is a serious shortage of 25" arcade monitors. The games from that era ran on the arcade floor 2-3 times as long as the older games and couldn't take advantage of the spare monitors coming out of the gambling industry since those were all 19".

Allthough that is true I still wouldnt want to be putting a XBOX or a PC in a bartop :p

Sure PC's can be put in bartops pretty easily but keeping em cool is the hard part!

[Nephasth]

I am not trying to be a jerk or some sort of elitist when I say the Pi is the worst thing that anyone is using. I am actually just telling the truth.

There are basically only 3 things people are using for Mame.

PC
Xbox
Pi

The pi is absolutely the worst one of the 3, and the only reason you will ever see me endorse an Xbox is because you can pair that up with a 25" TV set to put in an original cabinet. Most don't know it, but there is a serious shortage of 25" arcade monitors. The games from that era ran on the arcade floor 2-3 times as long as the older games and couldn't take advantage of the spare monitors coming out of the gambling industry since those were all 19".

Allthough that is true I still wouldnt want to be putting a XBOX or a PC in a bartop :p

Sure PC's can be put in bartops pretty easily but keeping em cool is the hard part!

Decase the PC. Install fan in bartop. Yup, pretty hard...

[Titchgamer]

I am not trying to be a jerk or some sort of elitist when I say the Pi is the worst thing that anyone is using. I am actually just telling the truth.

There are basically only 3 things people are using for Mame.

PC
Xbox
Pi

The pi is absolutely the worst one of the 3, and the only reason you will ever see me endorse an Xbox is because you can pair that up with a 25" TV set to put in an original cabinet. Most don't know it, but there is a serious shortage of 25" arcade monitors. The games from that era ran on the arcade floor 2-3 times as long as the older games and couldn't take advantage of the spare monitors coming out of the gambling industry since those were all 19".

Allthough that is true I still wouldnt want to be putting a XBOX or a PC in a bartop :p

Sure PC's can be put in bartops pretty easily but keeping em cool is the hard part!

Decase the PC. Install fan in bartop. Yup, pretty hard...

Yeah and what about when it does not cool enough and the HDD fails?

Becasue yes I have seen that happen several times!

[Nephasth]

Then you're doing it wrong.

[Titchgamer]

Then you're doing it wrong.

Not me, I used a Pi :p

But I have seen it happen to numerous people.
They work great for a few months or whatever then they fail.

If I was going to use a PC i would prob use a fully cased micro PC and add a additional extract fun tbh but ya know each to there own :p

[Nephasth]

Then you're doing it wrong.

Not me, I used a Pi :p

But I have seen it happen to numerous people.
They work great for a few months or whatever then they fail.

If I was going to use a PC i would prob use a fully cased micro PC and add a additional extract fun tbh but ya know each to there own :p

 

[Titchgamer]

Then you're doing it wrong.

Not me, I used a Pi :p

But I have seen it happen to numerous people.
They work great for a few months or whatever then they fail.

If I was going to use a PC i would prob use a fully cased micro PC and add a additional extract fun tbh but ya know each to there own :p

 

And whats the prob with using a cased micro pc with extra fan?

[Malenko]

If I was going to use a PC i would prob use a fully cased micro PC and add a additional extract fun tbh but ya know each to there own :p

 

[Nephasth]

Maximize air flow. Get rid of that ---smurfing--- case.

[Titchgamer]

Pc cases are designed to suck the air through the case and out the other side to create a wind tunnel effect.

If you take it out of the case you are stopping that from happening.
You can create a cabinet which has the same effect but I think that is where people go wrong and the components over heat.

You can have all the air around it you want but if the hot air is not being expelled and cool air drawn in then its going to fail.

All my cabs have had cased PC's in them and none of them have had any issues.
The only machine I have had fail on me was a cocktail cab I had aquired from someone who had stripped the PC and sure enough The HDD failed followed by the processor.
I knew it was going to happen I just couldnt be arsed to fix it until it did.
Then I replaced it with a cased pc and sold it :p

Anyways I will drop out here as I think we have derailed the OP's thread a little!

[Nephasth]

Agree on case design... But they're not intended to be stuffed in small wooden boxes. (Talking bartops here)

[Titchgamer]

Well agree with you there they are not designed for that lol
But this is where design is inportant!

[Nephasth]

Super inportant.

[Malenko]

Ive done both, usually decase the PC. When I fixed up the bartop for charity I left it in the case but I checked air flow and stress tested. I covered all the  inportant stuff.

[dylaninwv]

My opinion? rotate the pics prior to posting...

A;ll kidding aside, looks nice. Will the CP be a separate unit that sits on top? If so, you should be fine. Based on the height to wheel base ration though, you may have some issues with it tilting backward due to the center of gravity being shifted back due to the angle. But if it is against a wall, you should be fine.

This is my favorite part of the build - just prior to painting. It really starts to come alive here.

[SAVAGExMLGPRO]

My opinion? rotate the pics prior to posting...

A;ll kidding aside, looks nice. Will the CP be a separate unit that sits on top? If so, you should be fine. Based on the height to wheel base ration though, you may have some issues with it tilting backward due to the center of gravity being shifted back due to the angle. But if it is against a wall, you should be fine.

This is my favorite part of the build - just prior to painting. It really starts to come alive here.

Thank you, the cp will sit on top but screw into place. Ill post more pics when its done. But for the photos, i have no clue why they post sideways. Also it does rock abit but it will be against a wall. Can always add weight to the bottom base of it.

[opt2not]

Pc cases are designed to suck the air through the case and out the other side to create a wind tunnel effect.

If you take it out of the case you are stopping that from happening.
You can create a cabinet which has the same effect but I think that is where people go wrong and the components over heat.

You can have all the air around it you want but if the hot air is not being expelled and cool air drawn in then its going to fail.

All my cabs have had cased PC's in them and none of them have had any issues.
The only machine I have had fail on me was a cocktail cab I had aquired from someone who had stripped the PC and sure enough The HDD failed followed by the processor.
I knew it was going to happen I just couldnt be arsed to fix it until it did.
Then I replaced it with a cased pc and sold it :p

Anyways I will drop out here as I think we have derailed the OP's thread a little!

 
In a bartop design 9/10 people de-case their monitors as well. LCD monitors generate a lot of heat, and while you're right about the PC case windtunnelling air, that doesn't count when we're talking about an enclosure surrounding your PC. With the LCD monitor there will be only Hot Air in the bartop!  So not only are you in-taking hot air into your PC, and expelling hotter air, you've got an encased component inside a wooden case!  De-casing the PC will allow you to maximize the space in your bartop for airflow, and at the same time of cutting in proper vents and installing fans , it's by far a better solution for keeping things cool than just leaving your PC in a case.  Like Neph said, if you've decased everything and still getting component burnout, then you've obviously didn't think about proper air-flow and venting. 

[RandyT]

Based on the height to wheel base ration though, you may have some issues with it tilting backward due to the center of gravity being shifted back due to the angle. But if it is against a wall, you should be fine.

This was the first thing that my brain rebelled against when I saw the profile.  As a general rule, the base depth should be at least the same as the top part of the cabinet, especially at this height where there is a fair amount of weight toward the top.  I noticed in the video that one view showed it an inch or so from the wall, and another view looked like it had been pushed against it.  Purely conjecture, but it appears that he found out that it was tippy and pushed it back to make contact.  Even if the cabinet is designed to rest against the wall, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to make the base shallower.  The room footprint will be the same regardless.  But I guess if the form is more important than inherent stability, one could always sandbag the bottom to add ballast.

I also have to wonder about using such a large screen, so close to the players.  Mine has a 27" 4:3, and for horizontal games, that even feels pretty large.  I tend to favor the showcase-style cabs for big screens, but if you've mocked it up and like the big screen, that's fine too.  I had people tell me a 27" was too big, but you get used to it.

[Titchgamer]

Pc cases are designed to suck the air through the case and out the other side to create a wind tunnel effect.

If you take it out of the case you are stopping that from happening.
You can create a cabinet which has the same effect but I think that is where people go wrong and the components over heat.

You can have all the air around it you want but if the hot air is not being expelled and cool air drawn in then its going to fail.

All my cabs have had cased PC's in them and none of them have had any issues.
The only machine I have had fail on me was a cocktail cab I had aquired from someone who had stripped the PC and sure enough The HDD failed followed by the processor.
I knew it was going to happen I just couldnt be arsed to fix it until it did.
Then I replaced it with a cased pc and sold it :p

Anyways I will drop out here as I think we have derailed the OP's thread a little!

  my god the stubbornness of these new members. jeezus eff.

In a bartop design 9/10 people de-case their monitors as well. LCD monitors generate a lot of heat, and while you're right about the PC case windtunnelling air, that doesn't count when we're talking about an enclosure surrounding your PC. With the LCD monitor there will be only Hot Air in the bartop!  So not only are you in-taking hot air into your PC, and expelling hotter air, you've got an encased component inside a wooden case!  De-casing the PC will allow you to maximize the space in your bartop for airflow, and at the same time of cutting in proper vents and installing fans , it's by far a better solution for keeping things cool than just leaving your PC in a case.  Like Neph said, if you've decased everything and still getting component burnout, then you've obviously didn't think about proper air-flow and venting.  I swear these noobs are killing BYOAC.

Because I am new on here does not mean I am new to the hobby or indeed this kind of "work" Just to elaborate on that I am a Electricaly biased facilities engineer with lots of experience of large AHU's, Air conditioning and a whole host of other crap.

I agree you have alot of hot air in a bar top which is why IF I used a PC (Which I said before I prefer Pi for bartop) then i would install additional intake and extract fans at the sides to keep a constant air change within the machine.
I operate the  same system in my full size cabs which all run with cased (or partially in my main cabs case) PC's without any problems.
Indeed there is the added noise of 2 additional fans but when you are playing a game and the music is blaring out of the 2 speakers above my head I cant even hear them doing there thing.

Also keeping everything in one place keeps it tidy and "modular", Which when you have to move a large cab is nice to be able to remove a little of the weight etc and transport the guts without any chance of damage.

Just because I prefer to do things a different way to you (and probably others) is not necisarily a bad thing and certainly doesnt make me a noob.

Live with it.

[opt2not]

Just because I prefer to do things a different way to you (and probably others) is not necisarily a bad thing and certainly doesnt make me a noob.

Live with it.

Let's see your work then. IMO, put up or shut up.  (incoming "i don't need to prove anything to you" response in 3-2-1..."

[Titchgamer]

Well you are right I have nothing to prove and this is totally derailing the OP's thread for no real purpose.
I use cased you dont we have established that and we all agree that you need to keep everything cool and good air flow we just do it in different ways.

But just becasue you asked so sarcastically here is a pic of my cab:


Its gone through several incarnations as my needs, funds and ambitions grew over the last 6 or 7 years but its still the same cased PC buzzing away in there.

I did have to change the CRT last year though that finally died of old age but well no biggy.

As I said before though I prefer Pi now for smaller projects like my Mega Drive i did.





Runs a Rpi 3 with retro pie front end and accepts original joy pads.

Simple and effective with little consideration towards cooling required.
Admitidly no good for heavier games but hell I dont really play alot of those kind of games on cabinets etc so personally not a problem for me.

[opt2not]

Well you are right I have nothing to prove and this is totally derailing the OP's thread for no real purpose.

Well this is a fake "opinions wanted" thread anyway so derailing it is completely fine.

I use cased you dont we have established that and we all agree that you need to keep everything cool and good air flow we just do it in different ways.

But just becasue you asked so sarcastically here is a pic of my cab:

Its gone through several incarnations as my needs, funds and ambitions grew over the last 6 or 7 years but its still the same cased PC buzzing away in there.

So you just have the PC sitting at the bottom of the cabinet, unattached?   That's another reason I pull for de-casing, it's easier to mount the PC in the cabinet so that it doesn't move around. This is important for when you have to move the cabinet from one place to another.   I don't know if you've ever had to transport a cabinet, but one of the rules-of-thumb when moving a cabinet around is to have NOTHING loose inside the machine, for fear of bits flying around inside causing shorts.

Here's a pic of one of my cabinets from awhile back:

Everything is mounted, bolted, L-bracketed down (including the sub woofer). Don't mind the mouse in there, I was in the middle of updating the software when I took this pic. The cables are also tied-up now as well, and a KVM switch is in there too for attaching an external console. In this case it was a XBOX360 for a little while. This cabinet was finished in '09 and the PC and internals have been running strong ever since.

And yes, of course we agree on the heat issue, but I still don't agree with not having the PC or Xbox de-cased. I can live with that disagreement though.

[Titchgamer]

Well thaty is true but still totally derailed   

Nice build, Whats the white dome thing next to the HDD?

As for the computer yes it is technically loose, Its secured in place with battons the same as the monitor but like I said its basicly modular.
Sadly I have had to move it twice and as I am sure you know yourself they are damn heavy and awkward to move.

But because the PC and monitor are cased and secured with battons I can remove 8 screws and remove them totally from the cab to take most of the weight out (My old CRT was the best part of 25kg on its own!) also all of the things powered off the PC that are not removeable are wired with plugs so they just plug in and out.
Pretty much everything else including the amp, Fans, Lighting etc are fixed to the cab but they add marginal weight so no big deal.
It also has castors on the bottom so i can wheel it around easily.

[opt2not]

Nice build, Whats the white dome thing next to the HDD?

That's a white push-button actually (hard to see), it's for the PC's power. I had a separate PC power button so that I can run my external console(s) without having to power-up the PC and having it sit idle. When I powered up the cabinet the lights, monitor and sound components would fire up, and I had to just reached into the coin door and hit the button to get the PC on if I was going to play mame. Same with the KVM switch.

[Titchgamer]

Ahhh that makes sence!

I mounted my power switch under the CP I didnt want to be fumbleing around trying to find it and when I first built it I didnt have a coin door so that wasnt a option 

I do have a powered USB hub mounted under the coin door now though for easy updateing etc So I dont need to drag it out and get the back off or fumble around the back of the PC for the right cable.

[monkeybomb]

You two should get a room.

[ark_ader]

I'll reserve comments until you have finished the cab, except of course, it is too low.