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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #120 on: November 15, 2016, 12:20:02 pm »
It's going to be a while before anything practical is possible.  Right now you have to solder on a serial cable to do anything useful.  You CAN gain access to the OS via the usb port, but what you can do atm is limited due to lack of info.  Most likely someone will have to gain full access via the serial port, figure out the commands for the usb connection, and then we can use the usb port for full access.  In the past at least, Nintendo has used nes roms pretty much as we find them on the internet.  Sometimes they are in this odd LZ compressed archive, but I have notes to all of that.  Images are a bit trickier, and I haven't kept up on that tbh.  That being said, they used a highly compact image format on the wii due to it's small ram size.  It might be that they have moved on to regular dds images or pngs at this point.

I would guestimate that it'll be late winter or early spring before it's cracked wide open and they should be back in stock by then.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #121 on: November 15, 2016, 12:26:09 pm »
It's all of three wires, I think we can manage that.  :lol


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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #122 on: November 15, 2016, 02:04:07 pm »
Sure but then you've got a stupid serial wire hanging out the back of the case and you have to mutilate it ect....

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #123 on: November 17, 2016, 03:12:39 pm »
You read it here first:

I predict Nintendo does the GameBoy Classic next.
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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #124 on: November 17, 2016, 03:21:00 pm »
SNES with the same exact motherboard inside it is my guess.


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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #125 on: November 17, 2016, 08:45:34 pm »
Yeah crt filters aside (that eats up processing power) that thing could probably do up to n64 level emulation without the least bit of strain.  It isn't the most powerful Linux all-in-one by any means, but it's a nice form factor, it runs silent and it's already geared towards gaming. 

It's going to be a neat little toy.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #126 on: November 18, 2016, 12:03:55 pm »



It does beg the question "how many ways do we need to play the same games from 1988?"  Every time some device comes out, even when it is intended to play the old games, everybody salivates over hacking it so it can play the old games.  Is this really any better than any other similar device hacked to play on an HDTV?

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #127 on: November 18, 2016, 12:51:26 pm »
In short yes. 

1.  It's by Nintendo, so the build quality will be high.
2.  It looks like a NES, which is awesome.
3.  It's already designed with gameplay in mind.
4.  It's only 60 bucks, without having to buy bunches of add-ons to get it ready to play games (see # 3).


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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #128 on: November 22, 2016, 10:34:25 pm »
Hey I found something for when they get them back in stock:

https://www.amazon.com/Hyperkin-Classic-Adapter-NES-Controller/dp/B01N3LNI3Q/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1479871893&sr=8-10&keywords=nes+classic

Instead of buying extension cables just buy this and use real NES gamepads.... problem solved!

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #129 on: November 22, 2016, 10:48:57 pm »
Hey I found something for when they get them back in stock:

https://www.amazon.com/Hyperkin-Classic-Adapter-NES-Controller/dp/B01N3LNI3Q/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1479871893&sr=8-10&keywords=nes+classic

Instead of buying extension cables just buy this and use real NES gamepads.... problem solved!

Saw those the other day and almost ordered it - Figure I have one of the Nes Advantage controllers that works well still and it has a nice long cable on it !

Also was thinking could just buy several feet of 18Ga 7 conductor wire (think it only has 6 connections but Lowes only has either 5 or 7 conductor alarm cable in bulk) for $0.60 a foot at Lowes and just splice - solder - shrink wrap the one that comes with it.

Ebay also has these Mayflash adapters that can be used for both Nes and Snes controllers for around $15

« Last Edit: November 22, 2016, 10:52:29 pm by JDFan »

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #130 on: November 22, 2016, 11:02:22 pm »
Unless the serial port is the only way to hack it, I'm going to try not to mangle mine. 

That particular one you linked to is actually a famicom/super famicom adapter.  Sometimes it comes with the famicom2nes dongle and sometimes it doesn't. 

Has anyone saw news on the retrobit generations?  It's a cheap-knockoff of the nes classic, only with a bunch of games from different systems just thrown on the thing.  I mean there are Gameboy and cps2 arcade games on there... it's that odd. The gamepads look pretty crap as well BUT, they are usb gamepads and the system has a sd card slot.  So I'm curious if it'll be hacked because there is more potential there in terms of what you can run with the native interface.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #131 on: November 22, 2016, 11:22:22 pm »
Unless the serial port is the only way to hack it, I'm going to try not to mangle mine. 

That particular one you linked to is actually a famicom/super famicom adapter.  Sometimes it comes with the famicom2nes dongle and sometimes it doesn't. 

Has anyone saw news on the retrobit generations?  It's a cheap-knockoff of the nes classic, only with a bunch of games from different systems just thrown on the thing.  I mean there are Gameboy and cps2 arcade games on there... it's that odd. The gamepads look pretty crap as well BUT, they are usb gamepads and the system has a sd card slot.  So I'm curious if it'll be hacked because there is more potential there in terms of what you can run with the native interface.

Your right -- that one does include the 9 pin to 7 pin adapter also
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1 x NES/SNES Adapter
1 x 9-pin to 7-pin Convert Cable


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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #132 on: November 23, 2016, 12:21:54 am »
Retrobit Generations YouTube videos are an emotional roller coast.

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« Reply #133 on: December 30, 2016, 01:01:10 pm »
Retrobit Generations YouTube videos are an emotional roller coast.

 :embarassed:

It looks like a product that was horribly rushed. Terrible emulation, input lag, and one vertical game that displays strictly in horizontal (no setting to fix it). Sounds like they cannot even release a patch for this thing. Waste of money.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #134 on: January 06, 2017, 06:37:21 pm »


Yeah so as I predicted it was fairly simple to get extra games on the console.  This isn't the guy that did it, but the reddit discussion is mostly in Russian and translating it doesn't end well.  I have no clue if only 30 games were added due to a size limitation, or the modder just got tired of adding roms. 

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #135 on: January 06, 2017, 06:40:34 pm »
*Update*

Man the internet is fast.  Here are the instructions in English, and it's just a soft-mod, so no hardware hacking required. 

http://pastebin.com/af2RxZ6z

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #136 on: January 07, 2017, 12:24:46 am »
Thanks for the update.  Maybe some day Nintendo will make more of these.


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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #137 on: January 07, 2017, 02:10:23 am »
They're starting to trickle in.  Gamestop had some in a few days ago... of course I was afk when it happened.  :(

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #138 on: January 07, 2017, 03:18:09 am »
It does beg the question "how many ways do we need to play the same games from 1988?"  Every time some device comes out, even when it is intended to play the old games, everybody salivates over hacking it so it can play the old games.  Is this really any better than any other similar device hacked to play on an HDTV?
In short yes. 

1.  It's by Nintendo, so the build quality will be high.
2.  It looks like a NES, which is awesome.
3.  It's already designed with gameplay in mind.
4.  It's only 60 bucks, without having to buy bunches of add-ons to get it ready to play games (see # 3).


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(a) What Howard Casto said

(b) This:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLWY7fCXUwE

Manufacturers *need* to start commercially capitalizing on emulation, for a whole bunch of reasons.  Consider that the film industry is still selling millions of re-prints of old films for a few bucks each.  That's a good thing for everyone.  Gaming needs to follow the same path.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #140 on: January 07, 2017, 10:49:00 am »
Now if Nintendo would only start making more of them. I really thought shelves would be overflowing with them by now.

Makes me wonder if Nintendo realized how easy it was going to be to hack so they have halted production to correct the exploit on v1.1
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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #141 on: January 07, 2017, 11:46:58 am »
Wait so can you add more than 30 games or not?

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« Reply #142 on: January 07, 2017, 12:49:15 pm »
Wait so can you add more than 30 games or not?

Looks like YES -- How many extras has not been said but there is a couple of examples that show them with about 2x the games and the nice part is they get added to the default menu system as well !

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #143 on: January 07, 2017, 02:00:27 pm »
*bah*  my browser ate the page... disregard what I just said.  lilshawn's post about it being hacked a full day after I already posted that kind of threw me off as well.

I'm sure there is a physical limitation in regards to how many games can be added... only so much storage after all.  Then again it might just be a list limitation.  What I found interesting is that the exploit is using a game save yet you don't have to load said game save.  It makes me wonder how the unit handles saves. 
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« Reply #144 on: January 07, 2017, 02:19:47 pm »
According to reddit... the total size of the storage is 512mb and no one has ran into any kind of limitation yet.  So depending upon how much space is used by the jpgs, saves, meta data and emulator that potentially means a lot of games could be added. 

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« Reply #146 on: January 07, 2017, 03:50:15 pm »
I wonder if they can get rid of the images and all that to make a simple text based list to save room for more roms.

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« Reply #147 on: January 07, 2017, 04:20:21 pm »
I wonder if they can get rid of the images and all that to make a simple text based list to save room for more roms.

THe images are really pretty small - one 140x204 image and 1 28x40

For example the files for 1943 are 220KB on disk (actual 208KB filesize) - ( desktop file 557Bytes, .nes file 128KB,large pic 76.1KB, small pic 3.31KB )

So deleting the pics wouldn't make for that many extra games available. Haven't been able to find any info on the number of games that can be added but seems to have room for at least around 100 games including the original 30 - which should be plenty (figure the added games can also be deleted if needing room for new ones if you do run out )

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« Reply #148 on: January 07, 2017, 04:24:45 pm »
100 games isn't bad though. Can't be more than 100 that are any good.

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« Reply #149 on: January 07, 2017, 04:30:29 pm »
100 games isn't bad though. Can't be more than 100 that are any good.

though according to wikipedia there are a total of 713 known licensed game titles so narrowing it to 100 might be a challenge !

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« Reply #150 on: January 07, 2017, 04:41:30 pm »
151 cartridge pretty much nails it.  Delete the crap version of Punch Out from this, cull the 151 list, good to go.

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« Reply #151 on: January 07, 2017, 09:48:50 pm »
Yeah it's a surprisingly good cart.  If they had only taken the time to use the NTSC English versions of the games. 

Nintendo's 30 is already a good list... imho to fill it out perfectly:

As mentioned fix punch out
Add all the Mega Mans, TMNT games, Contras, Double Dragons and Castlevanias
Tetris
Rad Racer
All the remaining Capcom and Konami games
All the Dragon Warriors
The remaining black box and silver box games. 
Replace Donkey Kong with that 3 in 1 rom with all the DK's on it to save space
Maybe some hidden gems like Little Sampson?
Super Dodge Ball (The rest of the RCR games aren't really that great)
Honestly I doubt that's even 100. 

*edit*

Like mentioned you could always rotate the games out once you get sick of them.  My *nix skills are virtually non-existent, but assuming I ever get my hands on one of these little buggers I would be more than willing to write an app that creates scripting to where you just drag n drop the roms.  We could make a little pack with all the images and cfg.desktop info pretty quickly with existing archives.
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« Reply #152 on: January 08, 2017, 07:48:18 am »
Yeah it's a surprisingly good cart.  If they had only taken the time to use the NTSC English versions of the games. 

Nintendo's 30 is already a good list... imho to fill it out perfectly:

As mentioned fix punch out
Add all the Mega Mans, TMNT games, Contras, Double Dragons and Castlevanias
Tetris
Rad Racer
All the remaining Capcom and Konami games
All the Dragon Warriors
The remaining black box and silver box games. 
Replace Donkey Kong with that 3 in 1 rom with all the DK's on it to save space
Maybe some hidden gems like Little Sampson?
Super Dodge Ball (The rest of the RCR games aren't really that great)
Honestly I doubt that's even 100. 

*edit*

Like mentioned you could always rotate the games out once you get sick of them.  My *nix skills are virtually non-existent, but assuming I ever get my hands on one of these little buggers I would be more than willing to write an app that creates scripting to where you just drag n drop the roms.  We could make a little pack with all the images and cfg.desktop info pretty quickly with existing archives.

Gotta add battle toads and if you are looking for a gem, check out Conquest of the Crystal Palace.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #153 on: January 08, 2017, 08:48:33 am »
I really enjoyed the puzzle games. Solomons key, fire and ice, and the wizards and warriors games. Still don't know if I'd get one of these tho, I can play those Roms on so many other platforms. The nintendy form factor is nice but I don't have a classic console in the house period. Xbox on coinops was the closest I've come in years and that lasted less than a month before it was just taking up space and less than a year before I sold it.

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« Reply #154 on: January 08, 2017, 12:53:43 pm »
looks like there is a correlation between the number of games installed and the number of saves you can have before getting an error -- every 2 saves takes up the space of 1 game added so if you get above 60 or so games you have to limit your saves to one or 2 slots per game rather than 4 and once you get to 90 or so you only have a couple saves for the entire system before you start getting errors as it runs out of space. So probably best to stay around 60+/- games and swap them out for others as wanted rather than adding 100 or so games !!

Breakdown shown on reddit here : ( https://www.reddit.com/r/nesclassicmods/comments/5mrmgw/total_gamesave_countspace_issue_what_you_should/ )

which makes sense as to why they included 30 games with 4 save slots with the hardware specs of the unit ! ( as the break point for 4 saves per game would be 32 games ) - so once you put 65 games you are at the point of having 1 save slot per game - and for 2 slots per game you need to stay around 48 games.

So I'll probably narrow it down to 50 games in order to have a couple save slots for most games - ( figure a few games will not need saves leaving a few more than 2 slots for others) so should be a good number for safety and also enough variety in the games. Then can always sub out games every few months. )

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« Reply #155 on: January 08, 2017, 01:37:05 pm »
Eh, I figured as such, but for many games this really isn't an issue.  For every game like Metroid or Castlevania, which you need saves in this day and age there are dozens that don't, like Super Mario Bros., TMNTII, ect. 

So long as you aren't giving it as a gift to a non techie, I think most people really only need 4 saves total for the entire library.  After all, you only play one of the longer games at a time.... or at least I do. 

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« Reply #156 on: January 08, 2017, 02:02:57 pm »
Looks like the mad modding community is really on top of this one.  They've already wrote an app and streamlined the process.

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« Reply #157 on: January 08, 2017, 03:39:20 pm »
Alright, now I want to see the thing running rom hacks.

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« Reply #158 on: January 08, 2017, 04:12:46 pm »
I'm curious what would happen if you tried games that don't use traditional controllers like 4p games and zapper games.  Obviously they wouldn't be playable, but I'm wondering just how complete the emulator is.  The classic controllers work on it and have way more buttons, so would 4p games use the extra button slots for the other players?  Would zapper games have the trigger and light sensor switches hooked up to buttons?

I'm just thinking it would be kind of cool to hack a pad to make a multi-tap, ect...

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« Reply #159 on: January 09, 2017, 10:43:29 am »
I'm curious what would happen if you tried games that don't use traditional controllers like 4p games and zapper games.  Obviously they wouldn't be playable, but I'm wondering just how complete the emulator is.  The classic controllers work on it and have way more buttons, so would 4p games use the extra button slots for the other players?  Would zapper games have the trigger and light sensor switches hooked up to buttons?

I'm just thinking it would be kind of cool to hack a pad to make a multi-tap, ect...

Along the same lines - it would be interesting to see if the emulator and front end on the mini could be copied off of the unit and installed on the rpi or similar device. Or since the USB  is hooked up for data transfer in Fel mode if it could be activated in regular mode to use as extra storage space using a thumbdrive to store the entire nes library.
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