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[jennifer]

   **SO EMBARASSED**... lucky I didn't get kicked out for that. ...**SO EMBARASSED

[pbj]

$5 to anyone that can provide an obituary from someone that actually died from discharging an arcade monitor.

[jennifer]

$5 to anyone that can provide an obituary from someone that actually died from discharging an arcade monitor.

There are worse things than death, Stabbing yourself in the face with a screwdriver for example.

[Xiaou2]

Upon further research,  it seems the articles point out that death would be highly unlikely.

 However, it is very painful... and much similar to what Jen said... the effects of your muscles jolting out of control.. could do damages, and or your flying body could impale itself on something.

 There are more warnings about electrocution to do with the CRTs power supply caps (flyback?), I believe.


 Still, having tasted a nice Jolt myself,  and nearly shattering my elbow against the wall... Id still put a good warning up about the potential dangers.

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Interesting articles on the subject:

 http://lowendmac.com/2007/the-truth-about-crts-and-shock-danger/
 http://www.h-i-r.net/2009/12/flyback-transformers-and-crt-discharge.html

 Closest thing to a CRT related death I could find:

 http://goldrefiningforum.com/~goldrefi/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=14676
(Suicide due to nerve damages? done via CRT arc.   He was in unbearable daily pains, if whats said is accurate)

[DeLuSioNal29]

Meh, I just have this guy discharge all my stuff:

[yotsuya]

Meh, I just have this guy discharge all my stuff:

Hear that, vwbus... DeL likes to have a guy discharge his stuff..

[harveybirdman]

Meh, I just have this guy discharge all my stuff:

Here that, vwbus... DeL likes to have a guy discharge his stuff..

 

[Mr. Peabody]

Oh my god, that's so brutal I can't stop watching!

This one is pure gold.

https://youtu.be/_Pmfr5CGDKY?t=8m35s

[jurbanek]

Would I need to worry about hard water leaving deposits that could cause a short?  My town has well water and it is super hard.  I have a softener but only to the inside of the house.  Should I use the soft water or not worry about it?  Thanks.

[yotsuya]

Would I need to worry about hard water leaving deposits that could cause a short?  My town has well water and it is super hard.  I have a softener but only to the inside of the house.  Should I use the soft water or not worry about it?  Thanks.

Ask yourself, what do I gain by washing this. If you're worried about your water, don't wash it.

[behrmr]

$5 to anyone that can provide an obituary from someone that actually died from discharging an arcade monitor.

I have been zapped by a non discharged tube multiple times.  It's not a big deal but it will piss you off.  It's like the worst static shock you've ever gotten when you friend slid their feet on the floor and snuck up behind you and zapped you.  BTW tubes can collect a charge after being discharged just by sitting on your shelf.

I have been zapped by a non discharged G07 filter cap.  That one is scary and sucks balls and is worse than #1.

I have accidentally bumped my hand into the leads on the yoke while adjusting convergence.  That one scared me and left me with burns and is worse than #2.

I once got nailed when adjusting a K4600 without the protective cardboard on the neck board.  That one made every muscle in my body contract and also left the smell of burning hair wafting throughout the house.  That was bad enough to make me stop for the day.

I'm not dead yet.  Maybe stupid.  But not dead.

[ChanceKJ]

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[Phreakwars]

from someone completely lacking in the monitor/tv knowledge... this video just blew my mind. washing the inside of a tv..crazy

Yeah, I think there is this common fallacy that getting water on your electronics will ruin them.

Well, yes, and no.

Let's say you spill some soda on your phone or laptop, keys are all sticky, soda has leaked down on the motherboard, etc, etc.... ruined right??

Not always. You can (and I have), always tear it apart and wash the motherboard to get the gunk off of it. Now, if you dare do this, you will of course, want to remove the CMOS/BIOS battery so you have no electricity from any source pulsing through it. Electricity and water = bad (as any idiot should know). But take away that juice, what do you have?? Just a bunch of soldered circuits and stuff. Washing a motherboard/cell phone (MONITOR) should ALWAYS be a last resort and not a common practice. But then, the way I see it... if you spilled crap on it in the first place and it ain't working, then you really have nothing to lose but a little time and effort to try and revitalize it with a good washing. And OF COURSE you are gonna want to blow dry it REAL REAL good, and let it set for a couple days for good measure. NOT a smart idea to try and rush these types of things.

[pbj]

If it works, you can't see it, and messing with it risks breaking it, why clean it?

Other argument I've heard is that water can seep into the components on the board.

I'll clean boards occasionally but I've always done it with gasoline or lighter fluid.

Do what thou wilt.

[Xiaou2]

[yotsuya]

If it works, you can't see it, and messing with it risks breaking it, why clean it?

Other argument I've heard is that water can seep into the components on the board.

I'll clean boards occasionally but I've always done it with gasoline or lighter fluid.

Do what thou wilt.

Other than a light scrubbing of a monitor chassis with a soft toothbrush I picked up for a buck, I don't wash them either. I've seen it done and I know it can be done, but I've never had a necessary reason to do so.

If you decide to do this, folks, LET. IT. DRY.

[yotsuya]

Yep. 99% of the time, in regards to monitors, it's just dust.

I could see stuff getting spilled on a game PCB because of where they are usually mounted, but a monitor chassis? You'd have to really try hard to spill stuff on that.

[CheffoJeffo]

If I pull a monitor out, I'll usually wipe the tube and frame down. If I work on the chassis and it's gunky, I'll clean it up with whatever I have on hand that works (rubbing alcohol, flux remover, electronics cleaner, degreaser) and a small paintbrush or toothbrush.

I don't have an objection to people who like the insides of their machines to sparkle, I'm just not one of them.

[8BitMonk]

Reasons to wash a monitor:

• A clean monitor and chassis reduces the risk of shorting components and reduces a potential fire hazard
• If you're troubleshooting it's easier to see spot potential issues
• If you're repairing it (cap kit etc.) you don't get crap all over yourself
• It looks better
• It smells better
• The risk of damage (if done right) is extremely small
• It's the opposite of what pbj would do

[jennifer]

Reasons to wash a monitor:

• A clean monitor and chassis reduces the risk of shorting components and reduces a potential fire hazard
• If you're troubleshooting it's easier to see spot potential issues
• If you're repairing it (cap kit etc.) you don't get crap all over yourself
• It looks better
• It smells better
• The risk of damage (if done right) is extremely small
• It's the opposite of what pbj would do

   All valid reasons... However wipe with Foaming glass cleaner, and rinse with contact cleaner is less intrusive and requires hours of dry time as opposed to days.

[behrmr]

Reasons to wash a monitor:

• A clean monitor and chassis reduces the risk of shorting components and reduces a potential fire hazard
• If you're troubleshooting it's easier to see spot potential issues
• If you're repairing it (cap kit etc.) you don't get crap all over yourself
• It looks better
• It smells better
• The risk of damage (if done right) is extremely small
• It's the opposite of what pbj would do

I agree with every one of the above.  Especially if you are going to cap it just wash the chassis while it is out of the frame.  This will give you room to wipe the tube and frame down but carefully so you don't move the rings or yoke.  It's so much nicer to work on them when they're clean and easier to see where problems may lie.   I've been told that the dirt dust and gunk built up on them can also become electrically conductive and cause shorts.  I don't know if that's true or not.  But it certainly would help your components to run a little cooler.  My experience has also been that the monitor is a large source of stench in a smell cabinet.  That and the wiring harnesses tend to really hold the odors.   I've had cabinets I thought I was going to have to burn due the smell come out nice after washing the monitor and wiring harness.

[CheffoJeffo]

It's the opposite of what pbj would do

 

[yotsuya]

Yep. 99% of the time, in regards to monitors, it's just dust.

I could see stuff getting spilled on a game PCB because of where they are usually mounted, but a monitor chassis? You'd have to really try hard to spill stuff on that.

 Uhh,  thats exactly what we are talking about.

 Electronics Cleaners is DESIGNED to clean Electronics, which Includes Game Boards, or any PCB board of any kind.
 It dries quickly,  (in mere seconds to minutes... depending on how much is used at once)  unlike the water hose solution... which takes several Days.

I'm  AGREEING with you, Toe Stab. I'm saying most of the time on monitor chassises, it's going to be dust, not beer or some other crap that got spilled on a machine due to where boards are mounted.

I've seen some dusty, dirty chassis that have cleaned up with a soft toothbrush and a paper towel. No real need for the hose treatment.

[Vigo]

  He's not used to being agreed with.

[CheffoJeffo]

So I was reading Chance's thread over on KLOV and learned something new. Some monitors (I only seem to see EZ-20s mentioned) have water-soluble aquadag and don't react well to being hosed down. You can always repaint, but I didn't know that this even be could be an issue.

http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=273536

The more you know.

[Xiaou2]

 I misread what you posted..  then retracted it immediately after I saw my error.

[behrmr]

So I was reading Chance's thread over on KLOV and learned something new. Some monitors (I only seem to see EZ-20s mentioned) have water-soluble aquadag and don't react well to being hosed down. You can always repaint, but I didn't know that this even be could be an issue.

http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=273536

The more you know.

And some people are a little too aggressive with cleaning.  Chance mentioned it too.  Simple Green will eat any kind of painted surface if a) left on too long and b) scrubbed to aggressively with c) extremely hot water.   In other hobbies folks will soak parts in it to remove paint.    But I can't say enough good things about it used properly.

[ChanceKJ]

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[reptileink]

This was my first foray into "Canadian Arcade" and I have to say it was pretty entertaining. Much more than watching a CNC router cut out a cab, OR the world's largest Teepee. 

Good job Chance! I'd love to see some more in depth stuff for a noob like me.   

EDIT: Also to add, my wife's high school friend was killed when he decided to work on a TV instead of sending it to a shop and never discharged it. I don't know all the details of how exactly it happened, but that was the reason given. So yea, tread cautiously!