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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #40 on: March 05, 2016, 11:59:42 pm »
First time I got to search for images for this cabinet tonight, and I find this in about 2 seconds. BAM! Side art done....


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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #41 on: March 06, 2016, 04:41:59 pm »
LOL, thanks dude.  I like that shot!  Do you have a hi-res version of it?

I am planning to use the "standard" Spider-Man costume and Spider-Woman #1 (Jessica), which you have pictured.  I'm combing through some old Spider-Woman comic books to look for some good, clean shots.  Then pare it down to the 2-3 best ones.  Gonna take me a while. 

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #42 on: March 06, 2016, 08:09:02 pm »
Thinking something along these lines. Of course, you would need to really get the sizing and colors to match, but just quick image of what's in my head


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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #43 on: March 07, 2016, 11:48:04 pm »
Thinking of this for the left side panel:


Want to try and crop and rotate just the characters in this one for the CP:


Sort of two different styles though.  Not sure if I can match them up...
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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #44 on: March 08, 2016, 05:55:01 pm »
You have to pick a style that's either exact, or damn near close for all portions of the cabinet. Otherwise, you need to just Modge Podge a bunch of comic book covers on it and call it a day because that's what it's going to look like. Taking a vertical comic cover and trying to stretch it over the width of a CP is just not going to work, unless you have a GIANT image file of it or can raster it up.

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #45 on: March 08, 2016, 10:31:35 pm »
Yeah, those are my worries.  I'm not going to be too anal about the art being the exact same style, if the colors can be brought in line.  I'll see what kind of magic brush my brother can put on it.  Damn man, this is taking as much time as the build!  :banghead:

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #46 on: March 10, 2016, 10:00:04 am »
Like others have mentioned, nobody is going to care about how many dovetail joints or beveled edges you put on a cabinet, they are going to take one look at the artwork/marquee and that's what will impress them. Artwork, in my humble opinion, should take just as long, if not longer to put together than a bunch of wood panels. (says the guy with an all black cabinet....lol)


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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #47 on: March 10, 2016, 10:02:58 am »
Like others have mentioned, nobody is going to care about how many dovetail joints or beveled edges you put on a cabinet, they are going to take one look at the artwork/marquee and that's what will impress them. Artwork, in my humble opinion, should take just as long, if not longer to put together than a bunch of wood panels. (says the guy with an all black cabinet....lol)
Well said. Artwork is going to be important when you use such a well-known character.
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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #48 on: March 31, 2016, 12:34:29 am »
Been doing a LOT of painting, sanding and painting some more.  I got the power button and admin switch.  Problem is, they are not easily mountable into 3/4 MDF.  The button won't mount in more that 1/2" MAX:


So my plan is to to use this piece of aluminum I cut out and mount the switches to it and then cut out and rebate a small square in the top of the cab and mount the plate there:


I was looking into USB volume options but then discovered the ipac can do it, so my plan is to test out the ipac volume controls and just leave my amp cranked up.

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #49 on: March 31, 2016, 02:52:14 am »
I use the Ipac volume controls they work fine just need a couple of buttons

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #50 on: March 31, 2016, 11:54:42 am »
Thanks for the input.  Do you just "shift" a couple buttons on the CP or do you use dedicated buttons?  About how many button presses does it take to go from mute to full volume?  Do you find there enough incremental steps to fine tune the volume? 

A dial would be nice, as they have a better feel to them.  I have a rotary encoder sitting in my drawer, but I'd need a decoding chip.  It would only cost $5-10, but I'm not sure it is worth the time and not sure I want yet another user "input" sticking out of the cabinet.  There's a certain appeal to using buttons already on the CP...

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #51 on: April 06, 2016, 11:16:59 pm »
I finally measured out the holes for the aluminum plate.  I like to just use the calipers to score the aluminum b/c it's so soft.


A little file work for the switch opening:



Sanded down for painting:



I was really hesitant to blast such a big hole in the top of the cabinet, but I did it:



I got a first coat of paint on the mounting plate and then test fit it into the rebate I cut into the top.  The rebate was tough to cut, but I got it close enough.  I try not to sweat the areas that will likely never be seen up close.



Whew, I'm stoked to finally get to the control panel!

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #52 on: April 07, 2016, 02:24:46 am »
sorry for the delay. I used two Mini buttons, for volume they should hold up fine

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #53 on: April 07, 2016, 02:27:52 am »
as far as control its not like having a dial and works about the same as volume buttons on a keyboard

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #54 on: April 07, 2016, 10:02:56 pm »
Cool thanks dude.  I'll run some tests. 

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #55 on: May 12, 2016, 12:27:00 am »
I'm starting in on the RFID aspect as described up in the initial post.  I picked up these RFID tokens which will be the "magic" game select tokens and the cabinet will use its spidey sense to figure out which game the user wants.  My plan is to print some labels for each of them with a little symbol or game name.  They are 25mm and fit in my suzo-happ mechs, but they are too light and too big to pass through to the coin return.  I just can't seem to get it to happen.  So, I'm thinking of adding a third coin slot between the two and have a different color for the return button.

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #56 on: May 12, 2016, 11:53:07 pm »
I was really hoping to simply modify a coin mech to still accept quarters but pass the plastic tokens to the return slot but I guess it is not meant to be.  I found 20mm tokens which would have worked but they were type B which my reader won't pick up.  I want the tokens to pass through to the return without having to push the reject button.  So... it looks like I'm headed toward the third slot which I will modify to basically pass everything to the return slot. 

What do you guys think looks best for the location of the slot, left side, right side or the middle?  I'm thinking middle looks best even tough it will be more work.  The middle is slightly too small so I'll have to move one of the others to the side a centimeter or so.

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #57 on: May 13, 2016, 11:44:44 am »
You should just buy a three slot door. What you intend, to be honest, is going to be a lot of work, throw off the mechanics and aesthetics of the door,  and look like a compromise.
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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #58 on: May 13, 2016, 03:51:01 pm »
That's a good idea.  I'll see if I can find an affordable one.

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #59 on: May 13, 2016, 04:35:16 pm »
That's a good idea.  I'll see if I can find an affordable one.

If you can't find one, I might have one laying around somewhere in good condition that I'm not using.
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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #60 on: May 14, 2016, 11:12:24 pm »
Wow, thanks that's a really nice offer.  It would certainly save me some time and effort.  I did some internet searches and am having a hard time finding a 3-slot for sale.  If you find one, please let me know.  Otherwise, I'll get to hacking up this one.  I think I could probably get it to line up OK, but it would be a lot of grinding away.

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #61 on: May 14, 2016, 11:31:13 pm »
I've made some good progress with the RFID tag reader.  The prototype is up and running.  I cannot get it to work with type 2 tags, but it works great with the Mifare tags I pictured above.  Plus, the 25mm Mifare tags are pretty common and I think should take the same sized sticker as the button overlays. 

Writing the code was a ---smurfette---.  Not because it is particularly complicated but because I suck at programming.  I know there is a way to emulate a keypress through java or script, but it got too complicated and confusing for me, so I'm just going to wire up a relay and use an extra unused port on the ipac to "escape" out of MAME for a game switch.  Ahh, my stress level is down already.   ;D

Next up is to reduce the form factor and slap this puppy on the side of a coin mech.  Wish me luck!
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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #62 on: May 15, 2016, 10:20:25 pm »
Love the RFID idea, but to mod that coin door would be a major PITA, if you post here or KLOV in buy sell or trade for a three slot it probably wouldn't be long of a wait, Now all you have to do is figure out how those kids are not gonna loose the game tokens

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #63 on: May 16, 2016, 12:56:00 am »
I'll look in my box o' parts tomorrow. I'm planning on having a Yot-sale soon anyway
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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #64 on: May 16, 2016, 02:46:06 pm »
Yot-sale, haha, I like it.  Thanks for checking.

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Love the RFID idea, but to mod that coin door would be a major PITA, if you post here or KLOV in buy sell or trade for a three slot it probably wouldn't be long of a wait,

Thanks for the tip.  If yotsuya doesn't turn one up, I'll give it a try.  The other issue is I already have the cab cut out for a full size door, so it would have to match up with the cut out.  I sort of assume a 3 slot door would have to be full size. 

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Now all you have to do is figure out how those kids are not gonna loose the game tokens

Yeah, I definitely thought about that.  I'll impress upon them that the tokens are worth more than their lives, but it will eventually happen.  The drunken adults might be even worse.  The tokens are relatively cheap and replaceable.  I'm trying to make the code relatively easy to reprogram a new token into.  The stickers will be a ---smurfette--- to replace though.  I'll probably just order at least 2-3 stickers of each game.  I'm also thinking of, instead of a bucket, putting them in a little binder with pages used for coin collectors so there are full sheets to look at and would also be easy to spot missing tokens.

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #65 on: May 17, 2016, 10:26:28 pm »
Something like this may work
http://lumberjocks.com/projects/73471
Put a sticker on the coins and a matching one in the case behind each one for placement , it will be a quick visual if ones misplaced.

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #67 on: May 19, 2016, 11:55:34 am »
Wow, nice find dude, thanks.  Hopefully that's dirt and not rust.  I'll look more closely, but it looks like the dimensions and cuts outs will match up.  Will probably need some paint...

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #68 on: May 22, 2016, 11:58:33 am »
Sorry for the delay, it was Finals/graduation week at work.

Here it is. A bit dusty, but otherwise solid.



If you're interested, PM me a fair offer and we'll go from there.
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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #69 on: May 26, 2016, 11:51:24 pm »
Stoked to get this action done.  I was putting off the final router work, but it feels good to get it done.  Now I'm going through the process of re-installing Hyperspin, etc. on a different tower.  My stupid wifi board won't connect up to the internet and after burning way too much time, I gave up.  Just ran a cord to install.  Not sure if I need wifi after it is set up anyway...  :dunno



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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #70 on: May 31, 2016, 11:16:30 pm »
After painting my brains out and sanding my fingers off, here is how it is coming together:



I need some input on t-molding colors.  As you can see, the cab has a lot of black.  The marquee will be something like this:



The side art and CP art will have some a few pics of the characters, but will have dark backgrounds.  That means lots of black, some reds, a little gold and blue.  And a little white with the marquee (and I might add a few webs in the corners of the side art. 

I was toying with the idea of using white t-molding to kind of tie in with the marquee font and go for a look like the t-molding was spider web.  But... I'm having my doubts if it will really turn out like that.  Other options would be dark red which would go well with the characters or black, which would look slick but be kind of the safe pick.

Thoughts anyone?  Black, red or white??
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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #71 on: June 01, 2016, 08:46:01 am »


Based solely on the marquee graphics, I would go with red t-molding, second choice would be white. Black is a no-go for me.
                  

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #72 on: June 01, 2016, 12:24:15 pm »
Wow, sweet, thanks for the visual!  ;D  Yeah, I think black is out.  For the side art, I'm looking at adding some subtle white webbing in the background, so the white might work out well.  I had not considered painting the marquee mounts, but the way you did that looks pretty good. 

I was thinking a dark red, but the characters will probably be a brighter red.  Would everyone agree the t-molding should be the bright red like the characters?  Or darker red, like a transition with the black? 

I'm still undecided.  I'll put up some of the side art when I get home.  Maybe that will help me decide...

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #73 on: June 01, 2016, 12:48:05 pm »
Three-slot coin door should be there by Friday. Can't wait to see what you do with it!
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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #74 on: June 01, 2016, 07:52:04 pm »
I like the red but you could always light it up

https://www.t-molding.com/led-t-molding-housing.htm
 
should be pretty cool, You can go with RED EL Wire, or RGB Strip

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« Reply #75 on: June 01, 2016, 11:01:59 pm »
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Three-slot coin door should be there by Friday. Can't wait to see what you do with it!

Thanks yotsuya, I can't wait to get it and play around with it.  I'm just about ready to mount it up.  I hope I can do something great with it!

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I like the red but you could always light it up

LEDs always tug at my heart strings, but I think that would be a bit overloaded.  I'm already planning on running a few down low, and in the buttons.  I don't want too much of a Vegas feel.

Leaning toward red now.  But dark red or bright red?   :dunno

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« Reply #76 on: June 02, 2016, 10:35:14 am »
I would first concentrate on getting all the art finished, maybe there will be different tones of red in it. The t-molding literally is a finishing touch, no need to worry about it now. Mayhaps you can order samples in different color tones, put one on the left side, one one the right and then decide which way you want to go. Also keep in mind that if you want to paint the marquee holders, you have to be able to match or approximately match that color to the color of the t-molding.
                  

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #77 on: June 18, 2016, 10:07:22 pm »
Well... crap.  Yotsuya was kind enough to dig out the coin door for me, but the spacing turned out to be too small for my modified mech.  I would have had to modify it anyway.  After much deliberation, I decided to keep it as is and just set out about modifying the 2 coin door I had.  Here's a brief walkthrough:

If the existing slots had been mounted just another 1/8 inch apart I could have just squeezed the third in-between.  For some reason, the designers decided to make my life a little harder.  So, I had to cut a new opening in the middle for the new slot and also slide one of the existing ones over a little bit.

First, I traced a template of the cut-outs onto graph paper:


Then I cut out the template with an exacto knife:


Then I took a paint pen and colored in the cut outs:


Drilled out the corners:


I guess I forgot to take pics, but next I basically just ground out all the yellow parts.  The whole proess took about 2 hours from start to finish.
Still need to loosen them up a little and re-center but here's how it came out.  Not perfect, but I'm pretty pleased. 



Thanks to Yotsuya again for working with me to get the door.  I'm hoping to use it for something someday.  Maybe a future build once I get a smaller RFID reader.

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #78 on: June 18, 2016, 10:11:51 pm »
Bummer the spacing didn't work, but I admire your resilience! Keeping an eye on this!

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #79 on: June 18, 2016, 10:28:50 pm »
Resilience is spot on mate.  Between the RFID research, tokens, programming, soldering and door mod, I've spent as much time on this one feature than anything else! Thankfully, it's finally coming together.  Here's the finished RFID prototype:



And here it is squeezed into the center coin mech slot.  FYI, I did have to remove some of the components of the coin mech to pass through the plastic tokens.  But removing some of the components also allowed for some more much-needed room.



I got the basics working and tested!  It's not battle tested, but I'll try to put up a short demo video when I get the chance.  Time for a drink!   :D

  
 

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