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Does this ebay trackball suck?
« on: December 29, 2015, 11:59:52 am »
http://www.ebay.com/itm/LED-2-1-4-Trackball-MAME-PS2-Arcade-Pc-Not-HAPP-/120966914183?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368

I can't find anywhere that states where it's manufactured.  I checked the classicgamerooms.com site, it's not listed there.

Typically, i know you get what you pay for, but for 24.95, reasonable shipping to Canada ($17), and a simple ps-2 plug, what am i missing?

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Re: Does this ebay trackball suck?
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2015, 12:13:50 pm »
http://www.ebay.com/itm/LED-2-1-4-Trackball-MAME-PS2-Arcade-Pc-Not-HAPP-/120966914183?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368

I can't find anywhere that states where it's manufactured.  I checked the classicgamerooms.com site, it's not listed there.

Typically, i know you get what you pay for, but for 24.95, reasonable shipping to Canada ($17), and a simple ps-2 plug, what am i missing?

That it probably isn't very good.
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Re: Does this ebay trackball suck?
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2015, 12:46:18 pm »
They have sold 582 of them apparently.

Doesn't necessarily mean they are any good (my gut says they aren't) but it might be worth trawling through the seller's feedback to see if any useful info turns up.

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Re: Does this ebay trackball suck?
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2015, 01:38:15 pm »
A few guys here have used them in projects. I mean, I wouldn't, but others have.
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Re: Does this ebay trackball suck?
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2015, 03:28:13 pm »


 Shows the internals..   A little fuzzy,  but there really is no traditional bearings in it.

 He spins it a few times... and you can tell that there is a lot of friction.

 Its basically a PC trackball.  Low quality.  And its PS2 to boot.

 There are some things you just cant skimp on..  else the control and feel, will be dismal.  Not worth the unhappiness / disappointment, that follows.

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Re: Does this ebay trackball suck?
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2015, 03:42:23 pm »
My guess is made in China*. Is it China*? What do I win?






* Complete load of cheap turd

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Re: Does this ebay trackball suck?
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2015, 03:44:56 pm »
My guess is made in China*. Is it China*? What do I win?






* Complete load of cheap turd
You win a Chinese trackball!
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Re: Does this ebay trackball suck?
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2015, 03:58:27 pm »
My guess is made in China*. Is it China*? What do I win?






* Complete load of cheap turd

You win a Chinese trackball!
Yaa... Oh!  :cry:

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Re: Does this ebay trackball suck?
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2015, 04:07:12 pm »
if you have a happ trackball already (or can get one super cheap), you can get encoders that pop right into the happ trackball housing that output USB mouse control as well as 3 buttons. (56-0113-00K) for a little more than what that kit will cost...except this will be a much higher quality trackball.

otherwise you can just pop for the premade thing... (56-0300-11)

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Re: Does this ebay trackball suck?
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2015, 04:24:33 pm »
No, I don't have one yet, which is why the cost of this one caught my eye. But it seems that it really is a case of you get what you pay for. I can't break the bank with this first cabinet, but I don't want JUNK either.  Thanks.

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Re: Does this ebay trackball suck?
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2015, 04:25:53 pm »
I have one of these on my arcade do the job. Really happy with it. I buy mine on sparkfun but look like they are out of stock.

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Re: Does this ebay trackball suck?
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2015, 04:48:23 pm »
My guess is made in China*. Is it China*? What do I win?

* Complete load of cheap turd


Almost Everything is made in China...   Even some of the highest quality brand name tools, appliances, auto parts...etc.

 The Chinese will make whatever the other countries pay them to make, and at that quality levels specified.   The gripe should be with the companies that created the poor and cheap design..   not the country of its creation.   

 Imagine having to slave all day long, with low wages, for years... making junk that you knew was going to fail with ease and certainty...  and there was nothing you could do about it.

 You can also blame the Ignorant,  and often poor,  public... for purchasing cheap goods, without good research, mechanical knowledge depth, and willingness to take a rigid stance against this kind of thing.   

 If we instituted time sensitive penalty fees, for companies producing lemon products... then the world would be a better place.
So, direct your anger and actions, at your government bodies instead.
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 As far as I know,  no PC based trackball has ever used arcade quality bearings.   The factor is one of cost.  MFGs want as much profit as possible...   and typically trackballs in PCs are designed for simply scrolling around,  not for precision hardcore gaming.


 The main factors for a good arcade trackball experience are:

 1)  Bearing type and quality + Roller diameter, material, and precision quality:   

 They should be grease-less ball bearings, no smaller than 1cm.  Low friction, spin fast and long.    Rollers should be metal, and use standard arcade diameters.   

 Pc based trackballs tend to use much thinner rollers (sometimes plastic).. and they are more libel to flex, slip, wear down quicker,  and get dirty / gunked up   quicker.     

 Many PC trackballs do not even use bearings.   They just use a form of bushing... which results in a lot more friction and thus poor performance, and thus very low spin times.    The ones that do use Ball Bearings... often use very small, low quality bearings... that pale in comparison to arcade quality ball bearings.

 2)  Ball diameter, Material, and mass: 

 Too small of a ball, reduces mass..  as well as makes control much less accurate.   Furthermore, it means tighter mechanical tolerances are needed... and could lead to failures, if anything gets just a little bit out of alignment. 

 Also, smaller balls get dirtier more quickly (less surface area), and this gunk easily will jam up the tighter tolerance assembly. (Rollers and Bezel)

 Larger diameter balls are better,  however,  material plays a factor in the mass of the ball.   If the ball is lightweight plastic... it may have short spin times.   Heavier density balls will retain their fast spun vectored momentum, for a much longer duration.

 The ball material should be smooth, and durable...  as to reduce friction, aid in keeping the ball cleaner longer,  and to keep the ball from getting worn down from typical usage.

 3) Encoder Type,  Mechanical Ratios

 PC mice require much higher resolutions than an arcade trackball.   As a result, a PCs optical wheel may be far too sensitive to use for arcade emulated games.   Dialing back the sensitivity is an option,  but even then,  it still may provide too much feedback, throwing off the games difficulty balance.  (basically, causing the character to accelerate and move much faster than should be possible... and thus "cheating".)

 Some PC trackballs use odd sensors instead of the typical dual optical encoder wheels.   Their accuracy may not be all that great, even with their higher resolution...  and they often require their own specific custom mfg. balls to be used, for the thing to even work at all.

 As mentioned, the diameter of the ball and the rollers is important...  as that will form the mechanical gearing ratio, for the correct resolution.
For example,  one half roll of a typical trackball, might make the rollers turn about 3 times.

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Re: Does this ebay trackball suck?
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2015, 04:50:24 pm »
I have one of these on my arcade do the job. Really happy with it. I buy mine on sparkfun but look like they are out of stock.

Im sorry to say... but you probably have never played using a well working arcade trackball.
If you did... then you would not be able to make such a statement.

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Re: Does this ebay trackball suck?
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2015, 05:30:13 pm »
You are right. I never played a game using a "real" trackball. I'm just saying this one do the job for me. For 20$ I can play some golf game etc. Trackball games are 1% off the game a played anyway. Dont be sorry. You have your standart I have mine.

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Re: Does this ebay trackball suck?
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2015, 05:38:22 pm »
I can't break the bank with this first cabinet, but I don't want JUNK either.

Cut the money out of the computer budget. If you buy good controls then you will never replace them. You will replace the computer eventually.
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Re: Does this ebay trackball suck?
« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2015, 05:45:10 pm »
I've got one of these in my setup (not finished the setup yet but tested it a few times in a test rig).

It's fine for occasional use, say a multi game machine that plays the odd trackball game (as I'm using it for, had to have missile command :) ) but I wouldn't use it for a dedicated trackball game system.

The color scheme is a bit of a pain (green when no buttons pressed, red when a button is depressed) but if you are handy with a soldering iron it's easy to switch them out for other colors (i switched mine to all red to match the control buttons).

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Re: Does this ebay trackball suck?
« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2015, 05:54:32 pm »
I have a happ 3" that I modded with a green high ball and green led. Willing to sell. Brand new and unused. Pm me to work out a price if you are interested.

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Re: Does this ebay trackball suck?
« Reply #17 on: December 29, 2015, 05:58:20 pm »
I can't break the bank with this first cabinet, but I don't want JUNK either.

Cut the money out of the computer budget. If you buy good controls then you will never replace them. You will replace the computer eventually.

This is good, I see too many people doing the opposite!! I love seeing the posts with Ebay controls for dirt cheap then they mentioned they are putting a i7 with a 970 GTX card lol
« Last Edit: December 29, 2015, 06:01:34 pm by 05SRT4 »

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Re: Does this ebay trackball suck?
« Reply #18 on: December 29, 2015, 06:18:51 pm »
I have one. It is still sitting in the box. It feels like a mouse trackball. I managed to get a Happ for free and I like it much more....

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Re: Does this ebay trackball suck?
« Reply #19 on: December 29, 2015, 06:20:31 pm »
I can't break the bank with this first cabinet, but I don't want JUNK either.

Cut the money out of the computer budget. If you buy good controls then you will never replace them. You will replace the computer eventually.

Well, the computer budget was a successful $0, so if someone wants to give ME money, i'd happily accept it, haha.  Otherwise, i see your point.

I should add, while i don't have money to break the bank, i'm certainly not cheapening out on controls either.  There have been many ebay auctions with hardware similar to the trackball above, and i haven't bought them for that exact reason.  But i post it here because if something like this could be legit, it'd be something to jump on.

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I have a happ 3" that I modded with a green high ball and green led. Willing to sell. Brand new and unused. Pm me to work out a price if you are interested.

Thanks for the offer, I'll keep it in mind.  I'd buy it IMMEDIATELY, but i recently learned that a 3" ball setup might not fit my ancient cab.  I was looking into 2 1/4", hoping that would fit. Its an old Zaxxon cab, with very little depth available for the CP, unless i start hacking up the front of the cab.  I'm not good enough to "modify" the front, it would just be hacking. so...  :dunno

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Re: Does this ebay trackball suck?
« Reply #20 on: December 29, 2015, 06:27:12 pm »
It's decent.  It is definitely NOT "arcade quality".  I have one that I got as part of a bundle purchase of parts.  It does the job and is extremely hackable.

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« Reply #21 on: December 29, 2015, 08:03:32 pm »
A 3" ball should fix on a Zaxxon panel just fine. You won't be able to put anything above it or below it though.
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Re: Does this ebay trackball suck?
« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2015, 08:14:01 pm »
A 3" ball should fix on a Zaxxon panel just fine. You won't be able to put anything above it or below it though.

really?  Well i will certainly investigate this further.  If that's the case, i owe you one, cause i would MUCH prefer a 3" ball. 

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« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2015, 09:21:57 pm »
A 3" ball should fix on a Zaxxon panel just fine. You won't be able to put anything above it or below it though.

really?  Well i will certainly investigate this further.  If that's the case, i owe you one, cause i would MUCH prefer a 3" ball.

Definitely double check. I don't own my Zaxxon anymore, but it seemed to me like it would have fit with a good inch to spare top and bottom.
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