Things I think are getting out of hand!

[eds1275]

There's a lot of stuff on this site! Here's a list of things that make me roll my eyes.

• CNC cuts for single builds
• 10 pages of argument over angled joysticks or more than 6 buttons
• Weird elitism and insisting on making your preference known (for example "Eww widescreen LCD, I'd rather be dead than use one of those"
• Outright hate for anything new or unconventional
• Kegal buttons
• Walls of text describing things with unrelated comparisons
• Hate for tried and true arcade button layouts such as the street fighter 6
• When someone is trying to solve a problem and instead of helping there is several pages of suggestions that would have been useful before the problem arose such as trackball housing too close to the button/joystick
• Hand holding all the way through a project

That's it for now. I've poked fun at a few people, so just for fun:
My spinal tap cabinet has a 32" widescreen LCD TV and uses the tv speakers. It is a slim cabinet with 7 buttons per player. The theme is not video game based. I enjoy the aimtraks despite their lack of arcade authenticity. I can play on angled joysticks and still have a good time. My cabinet has a full romset, but mostly we just play games in my favourites list. I enjoy many of the adult themed video games. I hate the fact that everyone suggests MDF, because for all it's ease of finishing, everything else about it is horrible.

[chopperthedog]

I just avoid the project forum. 



good day.

[BadMouth]

• Kegal buttons

I need this explained to me.

[vwalbridge]

Here's a list of things that make me roll my eyes.

• Project Squatting
  
  Definition - The act of announcing a new project without having done any work on the actual project. Google sketchups are often present to act as a "placeholder" for one's future idea even though not a single board has been cut yet.

[Token]

I hate the fact that everyone suggests MDF, because for all it's ease of finishing, everything else about it is horrible.

This.

[pbj]

If you hate it around here so much, why not leave for 47 hours?

[wp34]

Here's a list of things that make me roll my eyes.

• Project Squatting
  
  Definition - The act of announcing a new project without having done any work on the actual project. Google sketchups are often present to act as a "placeholder" for one's future idea even though not a single board has been cut yet.

I don't mind this IF the OP's purpose is to get feedback and opinions before cutting any boards.  Otherwise yeah it makes no sense. 

[vwalbridge]

Here's a list of things that make me roll my eyes.

• Project Squatting
  
  Definition - The act of announcing a new project without having done any work on the actual project. Google sketchups are often present to act as a "placeholder" for one's future idea even though not a single board has been cut yet.

I don't mind this IF the OP's purpose is to get feedback and opinions before cutting any boards.  Otherwise yeah it makes no sense.

Very good point. Agreed. You can certainly tell the difference. 

[RandyT]

I hate the fact that everyone suggests MDF, because for all it's ease of finishing, everything else about it is horrible.

This.

There are pros and cons to any material.  But I think there are more pros to using MDF than you might be willing to give it credit for.

1) It's heavy.  While this could be a con for a full sized cabinet one plans to move around, weight gives things stability.  Control panels or small LCD based cabinets in particular might benefit.
2) It can provide for cleaner cuts.  The surface edges don't require much sanding to make a nice sharp edge.  Usually a single swipe with a piece of sandpaper will suffice.
3) Cost.  It's usually cheaper than furniture grade plywood, which is really the minimum suitable plywood grade for a nice end result.  But due to the popularity of MDF, the price is getting closer.
4) No filling required for edges if T-molding isn't to be used.  MDF can provide a nice rounded edge, if shaped with a router, and can be finished nicely with less trouble.
5) Self adhesive overlays adhere much better to the surface of untreated (and clean!) MDF than to the surface of any plywood, other than the very expensive MDO.

I'm sure there are others which might present themselves for a particular scenario, and there are also cons.  But I wouldn't be so hard on it.

[Vigo]

Here's a list of things that make me roll my eyes.

• Project Squatting
  
  Definition - The act of announcing a new project without having done any work on the actual project. Google sketchups are often present to act as a "placeholder" for one's future idea even though not a single board has been cut yet.

I don't mind this IF the OP's purpose is to get feedback and opinions before cutting any boards.  Otherwise yeah it makes no sense. 

Bottom line is projects more often seem to be not going the step by step problem solving route anymore. Wood is cut before opinion is asked, or nothing is done and the thread turns into a debate of theoretical 'best practices'. A lot of the same people are giving the same opinion, but the audience seems to be no longer looking for those opinions, picking the solution that works for them and moving on to the next step. Maybe we are just in the Kaneda era and need to find a new way to approach offering help.

And to be honest, I haven't felt any real elitist attitude since a certain bearded hipster with a bulbous ego was trashing everybody who didn't conform to his monitor opinions.

[JDFan]

Things I think are getting out of hand!

Threads about What the Poster thinks are things wrong with the Forum !!!

Sure you wind up with too many responses that are exactly the same with the posters opinion about certain aspects of building a system - but that is probably because every thread that is started is exactly the same asking for feedback on their next great build that will have buttons to play every one of the 20,000 games that have ever been emulated including every type of controller they ever used and a 60 inch widescreen LCD monitor that is 5 inches from your face while playing but will be built on a budget !!

[yotsuya]

Things I think are getting out of hand!

Threads about What the Poster thinks are things wrong with the Forum !!!

Sure you wind up with too many responses that are exactly the same with the posters opinion about certain aspects of building a system - but that is probably because every thread that is started is exactly the same asking for feedback on their next great build that will have buttons to play every one of the 20,000 games that have ever been emulated including every type of controller they ever used and a 60 inch widescreen LCD monitor that is 5 inches from your face while playing but will be built on a budget !!

[Xiaou2]

If you hate it around here so much, why not leave for 47 hours?

 Troof

 The more Inflexible and Attached you are to something... the more you cause it to Effect yourself.
The wind does not topple most trees... because the trees are made to bend and flex, flowing with the wind.
Nature adapts and changes... to its surroundings.
Take advice from nature.

 Buddha said:   "Human Kinds greatest suffering comes from Attachment  (Expectations)"

 If you are emotionally attached to the idea that you should be getting promoted tomorrow..  and that promotion does not happen... it was your expectations and attachments that made your own suffering.

 Contentment is what we should strive for.   Meaning, you are just fine, with whatever you have now, and whatever comes to you in the future.

 Things are always going to be 'out of hand'...   and thats fine,  so long as its not destructive on the personal attack level.

[chopperthedog]

Troof

I feel gypped out of 1372 more words.



good day.

[jennifer]

If you hate it around here so much, why not leave for 47 hours?

 Troof

   Ok, I will, So for the next 47 hours no Jennifer .... Starting right... In 3,2,1....POOF!!

[SavannahLion]

Here's a list of things that make me roll my eyes.

• Project Squatting
  
  Definition - The act of announcing a new project without having done any work on the actual project. Google sketchups are often present to act as a "placeholder" for one's future idea even though not a single board has been cut yet.

I don't mind this IF the OP's purpose is to get feedback and opinions before cutting any boards.  Otherwise yeah it makes no sense. 

Bottom line is projects more often seem to be not going the step by step problem solving route anymore. Wood is cut before opinion is asked, or nothing is done and the thread turns into a debate of theoretical 'best practices'. A lot of the same people are giving the same opinion, but the audience seems to be no longer looking for those opinions, picking the solution that works for them and moving on to the next step. Maybe we are just in the Kaneda era and need to find a new way to approach offering help.

And to be honest, I haven't felt any real elitist attitude since a certain bearded hipster with a bulbous ego was trashing everybody who didn't conform to his monitor opinions.

Kaneda era? You mean the pres for Nintendo?

I guess so. It's hard to make a blanket statement. I don't feel too many people are interested in any sort of incremental updates. There's this sort of fine line of just enough info to keep interest and too much info where it bores everyone to tears. For a lot of projects, this is a hard line to walk.

In addition, it's a PITA to document a build. For instance, I don't like to do it much for software, preferring to comment code or embed comments within code of which a very tiny segment of people here will read anyways. In the time it takes for me to draft a write up about said code for posting, I could have debugged said code or added a new feature so the writeup never gets done. Same holds true for hardware. Stopping and photographing builds adds about say... 10% more time. Add another say... 10-20% of time to the build to select and crop photos and do a write up and it's easy to see why builds appear to "stop".

Once the cabinet is playable, good luck with the rest of the writeup.

[Slippyblade]

Kaneda era? You mean the pres for Nintendo?

I thought you were around for this debacle...  Just google the name with arcade or MAME or anything similar.  The ass-hat was a mockery of the hobby in new and creative ways.

[yotsuya]

Troof

I feel gypped out of 1372 more words.



good day.

You just had to say "Beetlejuice" three times, didn't you...?

[monkeybomb]

You should change the title of the thread to "Things that have always been here and I'm finally sick of it" or something like that.

I like the hand holding.  It makes me feel good. What makes me feel bad are TV speakers!

Yotsuya, is that the correct use of an exclamation mark?

[yotsuya]

Yotsuya, is that the correct use of an exclamation mark?

I respectfully decline to answer that question on the grounds that my answer may tend to imcriminate me.

Yeah, I ain't touchin' that one.

[Vigo]

Kaneda era? You mean the pres for Nintendo?

I thought you were around for this debacle...  Just google the name with arcade or MAME or anything similar.  The ass-hat was a mockery of the hobby in new and creative ways.

Yes, and not in a sense of calling others a whiny ---tallywhacker---, but just in a sense that more people are more interested in doing a show and tell and not interesting in building something with community support. One of Kandedas infamous moves was doing a project build thread on a machine he paid someone else to make.

[yotsuya]

I think it boils down to this, some of us want to recreate the authentic arcade experience, and some people just want to play games. Neither side is right or wrong, but I think you have to understand that probably colors the type of feedback and advice you're going to get.

[pbj]

Yeah, but we got him to straighten out the sticks and use a bigger TV, IIRC.

[yotsuya]

Since he didn't have giant ape hands, we also got him to move the buttons closer. But there was a lot of wailing and gnashing of the teeth to get him to that point, followed up by an insincere apology, then rinse and repeat.

[BadMouth]

His initial freak out over the criticism of a pedestal he was paying a ton of money for was understandable.
(although, yeah it was apparent his original intention was only to show off)
Still, it led to productive changes and a better cab for himself.

Where things got weird was over on KLOV where he responded to criticism by bragging about his car or something.  (I'm better than you people, see what I drive!)
I don't even know.  I'm not a member over there, but remember browsing through the thread and laughing ---my bottom--- off at him.
People who accuse other people of being jealous are always the biggest --bags of cream-filled twinkies--.  Only other --bags of cream-filled twinkies-- would ever be jealous of them.

[yotsuya]

His initial freak out over the criticism of a pedestal he was paying a ton of money for was understandable.
(although, yeah it was apparent his original intention was only to show off)
Still, it led to productive changes and a better cab for himself.

Where things got weird was over on KLOV where he responded to criticism by bragging about his car or something.  (I'm better than you people, see what I drive!)
I don't even know.  I'm not a member over there, but remember browsing through the thread and laughing ---my bottom--- off at him.
People who accuse other people of being jealous are always the biggest --bags of cream-filled twinkies--.  Only other --bags of cream-filled twinkies-- would ever be jealous of them.

Well said. In the end nobody was jealous of his designer jeans or his $500 flip flops or his friendship with Fat Axel. In the end, even those who defended him could see that people weren't commenting out of jealousy. He was an ---uvula---, pure and simple. All you had to do was read that Wired article to see that.

[Vigo]

Or just the title... "Man chooses video games over fiancee"

[opt2not]

I'm not going to give my opinion on this thread for fear of the wrath of the sensitive members.   I will just say, great job on this thread!  Keep up the good work!  Subscribed!  (seems like that's the appropriate postings of this forum now)

[pbj]

Meh I got a free Dr. Pepper because of that dude's marketing campaign.  Y'all can suck it.

[yotsuya]

Meh I got a free Dr. Pepper because of that dude's marketing campaign.  Y'all can suck it.

So we're established that Jimmy is a low-price prostitute. Good call.

[eds1275]

ahaha start a thread while bored on a night shift and look at all this.

• Kegal buttons

I need this explained to me.

USE THE SEARCH BUTTON! I jokingly made up an analogue pressure sensitive kegal button. You know, to play track and field with.

[SavannahLion]

Kaneda era? You mean the pres for Nintendo?

I thought you were around for this debacle...  Just google the name with arcade or MAME or anything similar.  The ass-hat was a mockery of the hobby in new and creative ways.

Was that the dude in New York that slept in TMNT bed sheets or something?

I think I remember him now. There's talk about a custom pedestal he paid stupid amounts of money for......

[yotsuya]

You should have seen his flame out on KLOV. I think I still have his "---fudgesicle--- You" email somewhere.

[BadMouth]

[Xiaou2]

Ehh.  Why the Hate Bros?  >.<

 I dont understand why people make these things so personal.     Someone posts something they love and are proud about... and yeah,   a lot of people take offense to criticism.   Especially if the thing was already being built.   People react negatively,   and you want to remember that aspect... yet,  how many times has the 'friendly helper'  been keen to put some jab-juice in their medicine?   

 The often bad attitudes, coupled with them taking it too personal when the said Op isnt jumping immediately or at all.. for the help...  is the wrong attitude.    Help should be genuine, and if its not accepted... then that should be fine.   Allow them to enjoy or regret things as they intend to do.   Most of us in this world have to learn the hard way.  We do not appreciate being forced or told what to do... especially if there is a toxic attitude from the said truther.    Also, your truth may not be his truth.   Some prefer Arcade monitors... while others are fine with LCDs.  Some care about looks..  and some prefer being able to play a larger variety of games... and could care less about how it looks.

 When you choose to Invest your emotion into someone else's project...  you again are setting yourself up for being hurt when they do not do or respond as you believe they should.   You can be helpful, without having such an invested connection.

 So the guy may brag..   maybe hes an Ego fueled Narcissist.  I dont know... cause I really didnt know much about the guy.   I just saw a guy who had a love of the games.  So what.   He decided to have someone build it... and that somehow offends others.  Why?   There are many things we choose that have others make for us.  Especially if they do not have the time, energy, tools, workspace... nor care to partake in such a thing.   This is that persons choice, and thats fine.

 I cant tell you what the guy was like personally.   And how do we know that his demeening post regarding his car... wasnt fueled by some jealous attitudes that were posted?   But if so... it has no bearing on me and my life,  nor you and yours.   Let it go.   How long do you have to hold the beat-down sticks?   Dont you get tired of keeping hate and harsh feelings inside of yourselves?  They are toxic to yourself.  Detract from your own quality of life.  Let it go.

 Nobody here is perfect in this world.   We have all made terrible mistakes..  and many of us have learned from them.   Hopefully,  others will eventually learn... and become more enlightened.

 Its very different if someone has some negative personality traits.. that are more of an annoyance,   than someone who is an outwardly poisonous Abuser...  whom consistently spreads harm and negativity.

 In such a case... then I can understand,   and actions should be taken.

 In the former...  who cares.   Let it go.
 Focus on your own self betterment, and enjoyment of life.


 This place should not be about judging differences.   It should be about sharing shared Loves.


 Edit:

 Im going to add... that I personally have changed completely from when I was a child, to a teen..   and continue to further change for the better, every day that I can.   My Narcissist mother was caught telling my EX a bunch of Bull that was not true about me... after we had broken up.   After listening in at the door for about 30 min... I finally layed into her.. correcting her on everything..  and finally disowning and association with her since.     She would hold every single action, word.. and attitude in her personal file cabinet... and act as if people never changed.   Always able to full up the file, and continue to judge that person with this data... even though,  that person is No longer the same person as before.   Of course, it made her delight to gain attention to bash others with assumptions, negative judgements, and old stories.  Trying to make herself and her own lack of self worth.. boosted.   She was a bottomless pit however...   and hurting and judging others unfairly, was just fine to her.   (But dont you dare do it in return!)

 This kind of Filecabinet mentality is very bad for people to have.    Just because YOU do not change... does not mean others are the same.  Allow forgiveness, understanding, and have compassion.   Give some "wary but fair Bennefit of the Doubt"  at times.   Dont hold people to their past forever.   Imagine if many of you were held to your pasts?   I cant imagine everyone here as never done something horrible... and have since changed for the better.

 And finally, Jealousy.   Stop it.   Its Toxic to you, and those around you.
I have plenty of collector friends..  who have far more than I could ever attain.   Ive never held them with any sense of Jealousy.  Im happy that they are happy.   Im fine with what I have.   Im glad to have made friends with them, and thankful they have allowed me to share the joys of their collections with me.

 To feel Jealous, is to poison yourself,  and to internally start to wreck that relationship bond that you might have had... and may never get.. due to that splitting wedge of negativity inside of yourself.   Its internal weakness.   Learn to spot it when it shows up,  and shame it right out of your mind and heart.

Some of the richest people on this earth, are among the most unhappy.
Learn to be Content with what you have, and whom you are.    That is where true wealth and happiness comes from.

[SavannahLion]

You should have seen his flame out on KLOV. I think I still have his "---fudgesicle--- You" email somewhere.

Well... when I learned he slept in TMNT sheets, I kind of wrote him off as being irrelevant and forgot about him for the most part. TMNT sheets? Yeah, they were cool when I was like... I dunno.... 8 or something. Actually, I had Snoopy, Pac-Man and Superman sheets in that rough order as TMNT wasn't around then.

I still like Snoppy et al but let's be realistic here. Does anyone honestly think they can hook up a hot non-cosplay chick with TMNT bed sheets? Dude gets plopped right into the same category as the Dion Dakis. Only reason I remember Dakis' name is I almost got burned by him. I want NG stuff, not rebranded NGF crap.

[Token]

Since we are talking about Kaneda now...

He thought paying people to build his projects would earn him accolades on a DIY forum.  There's nothing wrong with paying someone to build for you, but don't expect the experts to give you props for it.

He was later banned from KLOV. More recently, he  was literally paying people to give him attention on pinside.

Dude's cancer everywhere he goes.

[yotsuya]

Since we are talking about Kaneda now...

He thought paying people to build his projects would earn him accolades on a DIY forum.  There's nothing wrong with paying someone to build for you, but don't expect the experts to give you props for it.

He was later banned from KLOV. More recently, he  was literally paying people to give him attention on pinside.

Dude's cancer everywhere he goes.

Token gets it.

"Hey, dudes at Build Your Own Bookshelves! I went to Ikea and bought myself a Sklurgg and had them put it together for me! I added the glass doors and light kit. It's bad ass, isn't it!!!"

[SavannahLion]

Sorry. I got _really_ bored reading through his posts. I fell asleep reading them when he thanks the forum for convincing him not to order his pedestal with angled joysticks the 7th or so time.

But yeah, the synapses connected to his memory cells are starting fire up again.

I think I shut down his memory cells because I never considered him very relevant. I'll reorganize the memory and slot him under, "don't act like him" category.

[BadMouth]

I can't wait to see what the next big thing we complain about is. 

EDIT:
How about those chrome buttons that come with black collars that make them sit 1/2" above the control panel surface?
It's not the chrome that bothers me, it's that people keep the black collars on them so all their buttons are atop little individual pillars.

[RandyT]

How about those chrome buttons that come with black collars that make them sit 1/2" above the control panel surface?
It's not the chrome that bothers me, it's that people keep the black collars on them so all their buttons are atop little individual pillars.

Yeah, some folks were steered incorrectly in the past about the purpose of those rings.  They are intended to go under thin (i.e. metal) panels, as the threads on the button body don't go high enough for the nuts to tighten them down on very thin substrates.  If installing onto wood panels, chuck the black plastic spacers .

[yotsuya]

Wait..... people thought those rings go on TOP of the Control Panel....?

Don't be a hater, BadMouth, if people want to put those rings on TOP of the control panel, that's their right and that's their money. Who are you to tell them they're wrong. Narcissist.

[Vigo]

[harveybirdman]

Oh please YOTS knock it off with that word salad!

[eds1275]

How about those chrome buttons that come with black collars that make them sit 1/2" above the control panel surface?
It's not the chrome that bothers me, it's that people keep the black collars on them so all their buttons are atop little individual pillars.

Can you post a pic where someone did that?

[BadMouth]

Can you post a pic where someone did that?

Don't want to use my time to scour BYOAC at the moment, but this was the first one that popped up in a google search.


from http://www.savjee.be/2015/04/Building-a-mini-arcade-machine-part2/

I've seen it a few times on BYOAC. On otherwise nice looking CPs IIRC.

EDIT:

From BYOAC



I know another one of them had carbon fiber vinyl on the CP and a 6 button SF layout.

[eds1275]

Those buttons are more 3d than most arcade games!!!