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Best connectors to use for arcade conv?
« on: June 09, 2015, 07:41:18 pm »
So, trying to reuse a DKJ cocktail cabinet and have stupid questions about wiring =)

The cpu board is dead, so I'd like to reuse and turn into a multicade.  But I'm also hoping (possibly deluded) that I'll eventually fix the board and be able to return it to an "original" system.  So want to change as little internally as possible.

The control panel wiring all comes together into an 8-pin (4x2 female) connector block.  I'd love to be able to just wire up my control wiring to a mating connector.  Which'd be better for maintenance, and mean that when/if I fix/replace the original board, it'd be a pretty easy swap-out.  No rewiring.

But I have no clue what I'm searching for here - I don't even know the terminology of what I want, which is making searching difficult.  Even if I could (I sort of have), I'm not clear what the best way of making sure I'm getting the RIGHT connector - the right gap between pins, connector type, and so on.

Similarly the 15khz board I'll be using to drive the monitor has 5 male pins, but with some of the widest diameter pins I've seen on computer equipment - a good 1mm each.  I'd love to be able to use a single connector I can wire to so I can quickly connect/disconnect.  Otherwise I assume there are some kind of jumper connectors I can buy and wire to (or come pre-wired).  But searching for "jumper connectors" isn't turning up what I want, and I'm not sure how I'd make sure they can deal with the pin width I'm talking about.

Even just trying to figure out the standard names for the various connector types out there has been difficult.

I found a couple of sites where I seem to be able to buy connector housings that might be what I need.  But I'm not even sure if they come with the electrical connectors (or just the plastic housing), and if not, how I'd be installing them or what I'd need to order.

Can anyone offer any advice?

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Re: Best connectors to use for arcade conv?
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2015, 08:30:59 pm »
Oh, boy.  Picking a good connector is a surprisingly deep task.  Engineers get into shouting matches (ok, not usually literally) over this because a lot of it comes down to personal preferences.  Tooling (crimpers, etc.) can be a major concern for casual users mostly due to cost.  Solder type connectors don't need special tooling, but you then of course have to solder the wires to the connector which can be challenging for novices.

The old "Pin and socket" Molex 0.093" and 0.062" connectors are go-tos in the arcade industry, at least in the USA.  They're pretty cruddy connectors by most metrics, but they're readily available, cheap, and you can mash the contacts with cheap tools and/or solder the wires to the contact if you don't have a suitable tool.  These were widely used on US arcade and pinball machines in the '80s.

In larger size wire-to-wire connectors, I'm fond of the AMP (TE) Universal Mate-n-Lok series.  They have fully shrouded pins on both gender housings, can handle several amps per pin, and have a pretty nice latching mechanism that's easy to undo and unmate even when the connector gets contaminated with dirt.  It's also available in a wire-to-board variety for times when that's necessary.

The JST VL series is also decent and widely used for AC and DC power connections with larger wires in Japanese games and is readily available in the USA from Digi-Key.  The Europeans like the AMP UP ("Universal Power") series.  It's decent, but it's hard to get in the USA.

There is also the JST YL series which is similar to the VL but smaller.  I like it less since it's prone to being hard to unmate when contaminated with dirt, and it's hard to get in the USA.

Going smaller, many people like "D-Sub" connectors like you would find on an old computer for the serial and parallel ports.  These are available in a wide variety of sizes and are cheap.  They don't have individually shrouded male pins, though, and they're not suitable for AC line voltages.  Current handling is moderate.  These are available in crimp and solder-cup varieties.  Crimp tools are readily available for quite low cost (~$10-15), but those are kinda dodgy.

When hobbyists need 8 or fewer wires, they often use 8P8C ("RJ-45") connectors with standard category 5 or similar phone wire.  These are readily available and very cheap, but the wires are tiny and can't handle hardly any current.  The latches also break easily.

For small wire-to-wire connections, I do like the JST XM series, but it's hard to get in the USA.  AMP/TE has a somewhat similar system in its 0.1" AMPMODU MTE series, IIRC, that should be easier to get in the USA.  This is about as small as is practical for these type of applications.

You might also look at the old DIN 41524 type connectors.  These were used for old PC keyboards (XT/AT, prior to PS/2), MIDI, etc.

I could expound more, but that's probably already more than you wanted...

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Re: Best connectors to use for arcade conv?
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2015, 09:12:33 pm »
Sounds like you may be talking about an 8 pin molex connector.
I'm not sure if that was a standard connector typically used on nintendo cabs.

So molex is one type of connector to look into.
Also Amp Mate-N-Lok is one to look into.

You'd be best off to post some pics of what you've got but you may first need to get a few more post before you're able to.
« Last Edit: June 09, 2015, 09:50:35 pm by mgb »

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Re: Best connectors to use for arcade conv?
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2015, 09:31:06 pm »
It'd make it a lot easier if you snapped a pic of the connectors.

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Re: Best connectors to use for arcade conv?
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2015, 01:01:55 am »
I guess it didn't register with me that he had original wiring with original connectors that he wanted to match...

If it's a US-built cabinet, it's probably a Molex pin and socket as I mentioned or an AMP Universal Mate-n-Lok.  Those are both extremely common.

If you take a picture with some sort of size reference in the frame, preferably a nice, sharp ruler denominated in either mm or decimal (not fractional) inches, somebody can probably ID what you have post-haste.

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Re: Best connectors to use for arcade conv?
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2015, 02:30:10 am »
Sorry, you guys are right.  I should have just posted the pics and asked "where's the best place to get connectors for these?"

Anyway, I'm looking to get mating connectors that I can crimp/solder wires into for connectors like the one in the first picture, and advice on what to do for the connector in the second.


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Re: Best connectors to use for arcade conv?
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2015, 02:33:56 am »
Ok, cool, so the first is an AMP Mate-n-lok then?

So how would I know specifically what type I need?  I guess I need to get really accurate measurements of the distances between the pins?

It seems like most places sell the housing and the pins separately?  I've never needed to assemble or disassemble the pins and the housing, so not sure what's involved there, or how I'd be sure what type I need.  Obviously I'd want something I can solder to or crimp easily.

Any recommendations on suppliers?

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Re: Best connectors to use for arcade conv?
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2015, 06:18:53 am »
I'll try to get better pictures with measurements tomorrow (later today)

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Re: Best connectors to use for arcade conv?
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2015, 07:43:35 am »
Here's a 6 pin mate n lok with the housing and pins
https://www.mikesarcade.com/cgi-bin/store.pl?sku=MNL06P

You would need to crimp the pins. There are many instructionals online for this.

if you really don't want to try the crimping, you can find a used harness with this type of connector already on it and cut it and reuse the wiring.
Here are some
http://thearcadeboneyard.com/wire_harnesses_and_cables/wire_harnesses.php

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Re: Best connectors to use for arcade conv?
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2015, 08:03:57 am »
For the second connector.
Worst case scenero, you can use butt splice connectors to make your own connector.
Just crimp the connector to the end of a wire and push the other end onto the pins.
You'll have to experiment to see which works best, red or blue.
« Last Edit: June 10, 2015, 08:06:01 am by mgb »

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Re: Best connectors to use for arcade conv?
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2015, 03:24:06 pm »
Quite a few manufacturers make the connector in the second photo. I use the 5P-SVF connector from the [JST V] series. The contacts you need are SVF-01T-1.5A

Both are available direct from JST.com in MOQs of 10. You can often get free 'samples' from your local distributor if you inquire.

 

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Re: Best connectors to use for arcade conv?
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2015, 09:21:54 pm »
The first one does not look like an AMP Universal Mate-n-Lok.  It might be a Mini-Universal Mate-n-Lok, though.  Without a real size reference, it's tough to tell.  It looks more like the very common Molex Mini-Fit Jr. (which is crossed by AMP as the 4.2mm PE series and also everybody else and their dog).  The picture is kinda blurry and dark to make an absolute determination.