New Product: Dominux8™ Premium Leaf-Switch 8-Way Joystick

[RandyT]

I've been hinting at this one for a while.  I guess it's about time that I show something

GroovyGameGear.com's Dominux8™ Premium Joystick is the first new joystick incorporating true arcade quality leaf switches and rubber encapsulated steel centering grommet in decades!  If you think WICO sticks are the best you can get, you'll definitely want to try this one before paying upwards of $50 for an old and used stick with less features.

Dominux8 Features:

• New design, almost completely built from custom made or special order parts
• Amazingly smooth feel, quick actuation, rapid centering and silent operation when installed.
• Can be optionally ordered with pre-installed True 4-way or "Octo" 8-way fixed restriction plates.
• Standard US (WICO/Midway/HAPP/IL/X-Arcade) mounting pattern for easy installation on existing panels and arcade machines.
• Two user adjustable height configurations for wood or metal panel compatibility:  Measured with optional Hand Candy™ ball top, the distance between the bottom surface of the panel and the top of the ball is as follows:  Long: 3.4"  /  Short: 2.78"
• Large, solid stainless steel shaft for highest durability and longevity
• Standard 6mm threads for compatibility with all common ball and bat top options
• Gold-plated true arcade quality leaf switches
• True arcade quality and feel molded-rubber-on-steel centering grommet
• Mirror-finish, laser-cut black acrylic dust washer
• Reduced below-panel depth requirements when in the "Long" configuration.

The laundry-list of special parts makes this one of our pricier offerings, but worth every penny to those who can appreciate what this one will bring to the game.  The price will be $46.95 with choice of "economy" bat or ball top included. Available now, just click on the image above.

As usual, my appreciation goes out to everyone who supports GroovyGameGear.com with their purchases, which help to make new items like this one possible

RandyT

[jdbailey1206]

All these fancy new products EXCEPT the Omni2 Robo.   

[jimmer]

I assume it's circular restriction? Will there be an octagon too?

What about 4way, or is that covered by the Pac-Pro?

[RandyT]

All these fancy new products EXCEPT the Omni2 Robo.   

One thing at a time

I assume it's circular restriction? Will there be an octagon too?

What about 4way, or is that covered by the Pac-Pro?

All proper, dedicated 8-ways are circular or nearly circular restriction, so yes.   The square restricted 8-ways came about when manufacturers decided to produce sticks with restrictors which could rotate to support 4-way operation.  Great for Q*bert, but only "middle of the road" for pretty much everything else.

I will be looking at the possibilities for 4-way and octagon restriction in the very near future.  To do either well (or pehaps at all), some design/part changes may be required.

[wp34]

Dang that is nice. 

 

[yotsuya]

I'll keep an eye out for the 4-ways. I love the Pac-Pro, so improving on it can only be better! 

I look forward to X2 telling you how this product is inferior. 

[bikeguychicago]

I've been on the fence between a 49-way and one of the Omni2's for my MAME cabinet. Thanks for making my decision that much harder

[jdbailey1206]

I've been on the fence between a 49-way and one of the Omni2's for my MAME cabinet. Thanks for making my decision that much harder

I bought a 49 and a 8 way for my cab and found I dont play enough games that require a 49 way.  I pulled it out and it is on its way into another project.  So in the end it all depends on what games you'll play to mediate what stick you'll need.

[pbj]

Looks cool, can't afford it.

 

[mgb]

Looks good so far.
I love the fact that it has a centering grommet and no square restriction.
But the price, jeesh.
It starts at $47
That's a little pricey

[RandyT]

Believe me, I did what could on the pricing.  If you look at the retail cost of the total of similar parts, it ends up at about $60, and then you just have a pile of parts which don't go together.  The only reason I can even offer these for this price is because of the large investment I made in the parts quantities in order to get the cost down, and the fact that I don't make nearly as much as my car mechanic for my labor.

The Dominux8 line is really one that is intended for folks who want the best arcade joystick possible (again, it's better than the revered WICO leaf in many ways) and who are able to pay for such luxuries.  But I'll put out a warning for folks who venture to try one of these:  Once you do, you'll likely not be satisfied with other sticks afterward.

 (ok, small amount of hyperbole in that last statement, but not much   )

[ChadTower]

But I'll put out a warning for folks who venture to try one of these:  Once you do, you'll likely not be satisfied with other sticks afterward.

He uses that line on all the ladies.

[wp34]

Based on what NOS or even gently used Wico's are going for these are reasonably priced IMHO.  Heck a replacement Wico grommet is $25 if you can find one. 

[Cynicaster]

I think most wood panels are probably between 1/2 and 3/4"... will this work on that whole range in the "long" configuration?  How big of a hole is recommended/required?

Very enticing, indeed, especially since just last night I was playing some Robotron and thinking that my control panel is long overdue for some new sticks.  Yes, $100 is pricey for a pair of joysticks, but just like most anything, there are different ranges of pricing for different levels of product.  If these are as cool as they look at first glance, then the price is right about where I'd expect it to be.  Besides, if guys out there are willing to bring new products to market that improve our experience of playing 30 year-old games in 2014, I'm totally OK with them making a fair profit from doing so. 

 
 

[RandyT]

I think most wood panels are probably between 1/2 and 3/4"... will this work on that whole range in the "long" configuration?  How big of a hole is recommended/required?

The shaft length configurations were very carefully selected.  Based on the 3.4" measurement with an optional Hand Candy balltop, the exposed heights for 1/2" and 3/4" panels would be 2.9" and  2.65" respectively.  With a 1/2" panel, the result is very close to a standard WICO stick mounted on metal.  This also allows an installer with a 3/4" panel the option of routing a 1/4" pocket for the base to get the same height if desired.  But the length in the "Long" configuration still provides a significant advantage over standard WICOs in 3/4" panels, even without routing.

I use a standard 1 1/8" button hole sized hole with a 3/4" panel, and this seems to be fine, so long as the shaft is right in the center.  The supplied dust washer is large enough to cover a bigger hole, so 1 1/4" is probably what I would recommend.

Very enticing, indeed, especially since just last night I was playing some Robotron and thinking that my control panel is long overdue for some new sticks. 

If you like Robotron, you wouldn't be disappointed with these in the slightest

[bandit721]

Wow, looks like another great product Randy!  Was about to pull the trigger on a pair of Super-pros and a Pac-pro, but think I'll hold out for these.  Hopefully the 4-way version of this works out...

[Jimbo]

This looks great! 

One question: Can it be supplied with an illuminated ball-top? (RGB) ?

Cheers

[RandyT]

One question: Can it be supplied with an illuminated ball-top? (RGB) ?

Sorry, I'm afraid it's not possible with this particular design.  I had considered going that route, but it would be a $100 joystick before it was done, and I felt it would be better to keep it more accessible and focus strictly on better than "old school" performance..

If there's sufficient demand down the road, I may consider a special version for lighting.

[Jimbo]

Ah ok, no problem... so I could buy one and then hack it perhaps?   Do you think that would be doable?

[mrclean]

If you think WICO sticks are the best you can get, you'll definitely want to try this one before paying upwards of $50 for an old and used stick with less features.


RandyT

Hey Randy...It's not that I think Wico's are the best you can get... but it's what was originally used on majority of the games. Most collectors have a tendacy to keep what was originally used. Some collectors seek NOS parts, others rebuild with repro stuff, it really blows my mind  why is it that no one makes a 1:1 wico reproduction ? That's the most common stick used on most 80's games... It's only a matter of time. I know various people make parts for the i.e. rubber grommets, ball tops, etc. I hope someone makes those down the road and affordable ones. Can you pop on wico shafts on yours ?

[jimmer]

Hey Randy...It's not that I think Wico's are the best you can get... but it's what was originally used on majority of the games. Most collectors have a tendacy to keep what was originally used. Some collectors seek NOS parts, others rebuild with repro stuff, it really blows my mind  why is it that no one makes a 1:1 wico reproduction ? That's the most common stick used on most 80's games... It's only a matter of time. I know various people make parts for the i.e. rubber grommets, ball tops, etc. I hope someone makes those down the road and affordable ones. Can you pop on wico shafts on yours ?

I doubt if this is much different to a wico, it may be an exact copy geometrically, it looks close.

Wico's used a non-standard grommet, so to make a repro you'd have to find a lot of NOS stock, or find the original manufacturer if they are still in business, or commision a custom run of grommets. Easier to make a shaft to match the available grommets.

For a part you can't see below the panel, the same characteristics is good enough for a restoration isn't it ?

[RandyT]

Hey Randy...It's not that I think Wico's are the best you can get... but it's what was originally used on majority of the games. Most collectors have a tendacy to keep what was originally used. Some collectors seek NOS parts, others rebuild with repro stuff, it really blows my mind  why is it that no one makes a 1:1 wico reproduction ? That's the most common stick used on most 80's games... It's only a matter of time. I know various people make parts for the i.e. rubber grommets, ball tops, etc. I hope someone makes those down the road and affordable ones. Can you pop on wico shafts on yours ?

No, the WICO shafts will not fit these.  I have a couple of WICO leaf sticks here I use for reference.  One is actually the stick from my original Colecovision panel build back in the 80's.  To be honest, I wouldn't go through the trouble of a 1:1 reproduction.  It would be insanely expensive due to the tooling involved, and the limited audience would mean high prices to recoup the costs.  On top of that, IMHO they just don't feel as nice as the Dominux8.  Almost "clunky" in comparison.  And in the end, it would still be a reproduction, so not much value for a true restoration project.

If someone screwed a 1.5" balltop onto onto a Dominux8 stick, I think most wouldn't know the difference from the outside of the machine, other than the stick would probably feel smoother in operation.

[RetroGreg]

When are you going to get these on the website? I think I want to order one....or two 

[benarcade]

While you're at it, can you please add a top fire option?

One can dream...

[mvolke1]

Hey Randy,

Thanks for pushing our hobby to another level - yet again!

[emphatic]

Looks nice, how thick is the shaft?

[RandyT]

Looks nice, how thick is the shaft?

The shaft is 1/2" (or very close to that). 

Apologies for the delay on these.  Had some other projects and higher order volumes this week, which got in the way.  Hope to have them up before the weekend.  Also trying to work out a 4-way version to launch at the same time.  I'll need some more time to see how that one goes, as it's not a simple matter of a restrictor change with this one.

[Jimbo]

Great news   Do you have the dimensions?  (specifically depth under the CP, height of stick above  the CP.

Cheers

[bandit721]

Also trying to work out a 4-way version to launch at the same time.

That is awesome news...hopefully the throw will be close to that of the original Wico 4-ways...

[opt2not]

Awesome product Randy.
I've been holding off on replacing the two Wico's in my Robotron, but with these I'm definitely enticed.

Looking forward to reading some reviews!

Great news   Do you have the dimensions?  (specifically depth under the CP, height of stick above  the CP.

[Le Chuck]

Great news   Do you have the dimensions?  (specifically depth under the CP, height of stick above  the CP.

Cheers

Your question in the () isn't answerable as CP is a non standard measurement. How are you mounting it?  3/4" panel flush with top?  3/4" panel flush with bottom?  1" panel recessed 1/2".  I'm pretty sure RandyT gave the measurements from the housing to the top of the ball top in his first post tho. 
 

[Jimbo]

I'm pretty sure RandyT gave the measurements from the housing to the top of the ball top in his first post tho.

So he did. Thanks.

Nice!

[zanna5910]

All proper, dedicated 8-ways are circular or nearly circular restriction, so yes.   The square restricted 8-ways came about when manufacturers decided to produce sticks with restrictors which could rotate to support 4-way operation.  Great for Q*bert, but only "middle of the road" for pretty much everything else.

I know, I would pay ALOT of money for restrictors that could either be octagonal ( AND square (4) or round ( and square (4) and switchable via servo.  Never liked the square 8 way. 

Looks like a real nice dedicated 8 way though.  Hows the dead zone and travel?  Can you mod the leafs a little to tighten them up?

[RandyT]

I know, I would pay ALOT of money for restrictors that could either be octagonal ( AND square (4) or round ( and square (4) and switchable via servo.  Never liked the square 8 way. 

Looks like a real nice dedicated 8 way though.  Hows the dead zone and travel?  Can you mod the leafs a little to tighten them up?

Something which does everything would have a high probability of doing nothing extremely well, or would do one thing well at the expense of the other things, negating the usefulness of including them.  The only thing I could envision to do everything well, would be a Transformers-esque mechanical assembly which would cost a small fortune.   Multiple dedicated sticks, designed for the best possible performance in each configuration, really makes more sense for anything but panels where a "minimalist" appearance is highly desired.

The switch position and actuator size on the Dominux8 has been optimized to provide a small dead-zone, but the leaf switches can be tweaked to make it quicker or slower to actuate, depending upon preference.  It's probably also important to note that the effective deadzone size will be larger (and physical resistance smaller) in the long configuration, as more travel is required at the ball position.  But again, tuning the switches will still allow for quick actuation in that configuration.

[BadMouth]

Meh, I've messed around with squares & octagons.  Grew to become annoyed by the banging into corners when moving the joystick around a lot.

I can see where people would like the diamond pattern for the 4-way classics, but other than that I've come to believe that round is the way to go.

EDIT: using the extra length of the wood panel mount option, someone could probably fabricate and automated topside restrictor for it.  (the end user, not Randy)

[Vigo]

Are these close enough in measurement that they could be dropped into a classic cab that used wicos, such as a TMNT?

[RandyT]

Are these close enough in measurement that they could be dropped into a classic cab that used wicos, such as a TMNT?

Absolutely.

[Vigo]

Are these close enough in measurement that they could be dropped into a classic cab that used wicos, such as a TMNT?

Absolutely.

Sweet! 

[DeLuSioNal29]

Or X-men.  :-)

[RandyT]

It's been a while, so I thought I would provide an update on my progress.  As indicated earlier, I wanted to have at least a 4-way option for the Dominux sticks before going live.

I have some good news.  After a few mis-steps, at about 4am this morning I assembled a couple of final restrictor prototypes:  4-way and Octo.  Both work and feel great!  The only caveat is that these will be an extra $4, which doesn't  cover the extra parts and labor but I'm doing what I can to make these accessible for those who want them.  I think it will become obvious why these carry the price tag they do, once customers are holding them in their hands.

I'll have these available on the store before the weekend is out, and post here when that happens.

Thanks for being so patient

[RandyT]

First post has been updated and they can now be ordered at our store.

[Jimbo]

Time to put my order in then  

[Jimbo]

the distance between the bottom surface of the panel and the top of the ball is as follows:  Long: 3.4"  /  Short: 2.78"

Could you please clarify what you mean by "bottom surface of the panel" ?  Space is an issue for my project and I'm trying to determine if I can get away with the long shaft.  Thanks

[Xiaou2]

Why the use of such a thick shaft?   Mod of existing shaft hardware?

 Ive noticed that it becomes less comfortable with an overhand balltop grip is used, for thicker shafts.
It also looks oddly proportioned.

 Any way to reduce the shaft diameter?  At least on the top end?  Maybe a diagonal taper at minimum?
 
 How about a pic of the bottom?

 Otcagonal restrictor?  Ugg.   

 Obviously, cant afford at this time... but may be a future option.

 Thanks

[RandyT]

Why the use of such a thick shaft?   Mod of existing shaft hardware?

 Ive noticed that it becomes less comfortable with an overhand balltop grip is used, for thicker shafts.
It also looks oddly proportioned.

It's only 1/16" larger in diameter than the original WICO shaft.  The shaft diameter is about the same as our popular VersaBall2 shafts, and there have been no complaints.  The proportion looks that way in the photo because the unit shown is in the "long" configuration, where it is expected that at least 3/4" will be buried in the panel thickness.  Not sure how many folks grip a balltop like a gear shifter when playing, but I would venture a guess that it's very few. 

It's also an almost perfect fit to the economy Bat-top knobs.  Virtually no gaps at the underside edge, so it works out very nicely for folks who like Bat-tops as well.

Otcagonal restrictor?  Ugg.   

The standard 8-way configuration is perfectly round and smooth.

Octo is provided as an option due both to the fact that it was requested, and because I found a way to do it which is no more difficult to achieve than the 4-way.  The Octo restrictor I designed is very mild, yet very functional.  I dare say it's one of the best feeling octagonal restrictors I have used.  With it, one can still actuate all eight directions without hitting the retaining parts, but for 4-way, 2-way games and diagonal games, it offers a positive hold and guidance of the shaft specifically in those directions, with just a little more travel of the stick.  Honestly, I think once tried, it could grow on folks pretty quickly, and become a "dark horse" feature of this stick.

[adder]

if i can chuck in an opinion i prefer thick shafts, as it makes the entire joystick 'feel' (and function) more solid and stronger, as opposed to cheap and flimsy (such as the zippyy balltop sticks, which just feel like a cheap toy to me).

[pbj]

The Octo restrictor I designed is very mild

Will you have a spicier version for your South Texas customers?

[RandyT]

Will you have a spicier version for your South Texas customers?

I'll soak one in concentrated capsaicin just for you, Jim.   

[Jimbo]

Hi Randy

I'm close to making an order for 4 of these sticks and a bunch of other stuff from you but I really need the dimension from the top of the ball to the upper base of the unit.  If you can clarify that would be great.  Even better would be a diagram with dimensions.

Thanks

[RandyT]

I'm close to making an order for 4 of these sticks and a bunch of other stuff from you but I really need the dimension from the top of the ball to the upper base of the unit.  If you can clarify that would be great.

Measured with optional Hand Candy™ ball top, the distance between the bottom surface of the panel (also the top surface of the joystick base) and the top of the ball is as follows:  Long: 3.4"  /  Short: 2.78".  This is the dimension you are looking for.

No need to sweat the long and short option.  This is something which can be re-configured by the user if necessary.  We just provide the option so we can save folks some time and effort by building it in that configuration initially.

[Xiaou2]

Occtagonal comment was more of a rolls-eyes comment.  IMO,  its just a way to ruin your gameplay further.

 As for the overhand grip... Its often done with Robotron by many players ... and even in various 'transitional' movement's... as well as other classic games.  Hence... a ball shape, rather than a stick / bat  shape.

 Still no bottom / assembly pics?

 If I had to guess... id bet the stick is much like the leaf buttons you made... In which are more suited to modern games.... as they easily bottom out.   These probably will crash hard into the sidewalls.

 Id love to be proven wrong... but the track record isnt favorable so far...

 

[RandyT]

I should have known better.  At least you're consistent.

[pbj]

$50 cash on the barrel head says that ear plugged and blind folded he can't tell the difference between a leaf switch and microswitch button or joystick. 

That offer is good any time, any place.

 

[Jimbo]

I'm close to making an order for 4 of these sticks and a bunch of other stuff from you but I really need the dimension from the top of the ball to the upper base of the unit.  If you can clarify that would be great.

Measured with optional Hand Candy™ ball top, the distance between the bottom surface of the panel (also the top surface of the joystick base) and the top of the ball is as follows:  Long: 3.4"  /  Short: 2.78".  This is the dimension you are looking for.

No need to sweat the long and short option.  This is something which can be re-configured by the user if necessary.  We just provide the option so we can save folks some time and effort by building it in that configuration initially.

Thank you.  I want to hack these sticks to illuminate (RGB) the ball top on them.  Do you have a compatible ball-handle suitable for illuminating?

[RandyT]

I want to hack these sticks to illuminate (RGB) the ball top on them.

Ii wouldn't purchase these with that goal in mind.  It will be exceeding difficult, if not impossible, as it would require drilling a straight .090" hole through ~4.5" of stainless steel, or replacing parts.

[opt2not]

Ain't nothing wrong with Octagonal gates. I actually prefer them when playing shmups. 
But for Robotron, circle gate is the de facto standard.

[RandyT]

Ain't nothing wrong with Octagonal gates. I actually prefer them when playing shmups. 
But for Robotron, circle gate is the de facto standard.

I'll have to hook up a second unit with the Octo to see how well they do with Robotron.  The switches engage before the gates, so you really don't hit the gates unless you want to, and it doesn't lock in too hard if you do.

But yeah, the authentic Robotron experience will be without restriction of any kind.

[pbj]

You idiots spend more time arguing about Robotron joysticks than anyone has ever spent playing it.

 

[RandyT]

You spend more time arguing about Robotron joysticks than any idiot has ever spent not playing it.

Fixt. 

[mgb]

You idiots spend more time arguing about Robotron joysticks than anyone has ever spent playing it.

 

There is truth in this.
I have seen this argument many times around here

[opt2not]

For the record, I play my Robotron cabinet on a weekly basis. Otherwise, the skillz get rusty.

[Jimbo]

Thanks again RandyT... do you have the depth measurement?  i.e. from the top surface of the joystick base to the bottom point of the joystick base.  This is the only other measurement I need.  Cheers.

[WindDrake]

Wow, nice work.

What's a new centering grommet run?

Also, what shaft length would you need for Robo stick height on a metal panel?

[RandyT]

For the record, I play my Robotron cabinet on a weekly basis. Otherwise, the skillz get rusty.

It's literally the first thing I play whenever the machine is booted up.  No better way to burn off some stress.

Thanks again RandyT... do you have the depth measurement?  i.e. from the top surface of the joystick base to the bottom point of the joystick base.  This is the only other measurement I need.  Cheers.

If you are looking for lower clearances, this changes with the height configuration of the shaft.  The restrictors also add just shy of 1/32" to the overall thickness, if one is used.  So the recommended below panel clearance requirements are:

Long Configuration: 2.1"
Short Configuration: 2.75"

What's a new centering grommet run?

Replacement grommets will be available to Dominux8 owners for $7.95 each.  I don't expect to sell many, though.  The ones you typically see in bad shape today were beaten mercilessly for a number of years, dry rotted in storage, had who-knows-what spilled into them, etc...  I.e. things which private owners usually wouldn't subject them to.

Also, what shaft length would you need for Robo stick height on a metal panel?

I tried very hard to mimic the length of the two WICO models with the height configuration options.  The short configuration is pretty much spot on to the WICO 3.5" shaft model, but the long configuration is about 1/16" longer than the WICO 4" shaft model.  The long configuration is a compromise between accurate 4" WICO emulation on metal panels, and accurate 3.5" WICO emulation on wood panels.

The action, however, is significantly different.  It will be like using the 4" WICO with the optical upgrade, coupled with a little less resistance.  Silky smooth.

One of the interesting things about the design is that the length can basically be tuned within that range through the use of different spacers.  I may look into offering a "tweakers" pack of spacers if there turns out to be interest in such a thing.

[ChanceKJ]

Oooooo, pretty.

...Damnit Randy, where are the crystal clear CLASSX buttons!?! 


i'm gonna pick up one of these sticks in the new year for sure, gotta get projects FINISHED before i start on the new one...

[RandyT]

...Damnit Randy, where are the crystal clear CLASSX buttons!?! 

On my shelf. 

Seriously, these and the others will be the next thing to be added to the store.  Our new shipment of Helio9 light units just arrived, so we're finally ready to get those buttons launched.

[opt2not]

It's literally the first thing I play whenever the machine is booted up.  No better way to burn off some stress.

Agreed. It really helps take me out of whatever mind-state I was in before playing.
Normally I play to 1 million then call it quits, but lately I've been feelin' it more and been playing till the 2 million mark.

These joysticks are getting me really curious though.  I'd like to hear some testimonies from some of the folks who are serious players as well, to get a more Robotron-centric review. 'Cause the grommets in my sticks feel good atm, but I know they're on a timer and eventually I'm going to have to either track down some replacements, or just replace the sticks altogether.

[yotsuya]

Normally I play to 1 million then call it quits, but lately I've been feelin' it more and been playing till the 2 million mark.

My high is like 179,000, and I was PROUD of that....

[opt2not]

If we ever meet up in person and there is a Robotron set-up available, I will gladly give you some tutoring lessons

[LightningBolt]

I am working on a 90s style CP right now but in like a year or so I can't wait to make a 3-4 player panel with these on there to simulate Wicos. I probably won't be able to find NOS Wicos or good condition Wicos, if I do I may just get one to collect until I need it for a cabinet.

I think in the mean time though I might get some Hand Candies and shafts and put them on my competition bases..might work well?

[bandit721]

Just checking in to see if anyone that has installed these sticks has any feedback...

It would be great to hear about performance in the wild.

Thanks in advance!

[RandyT]

Just checking in to see if anyone that has installed these sticks has any feedback...

I've been waiting for the same thing .  We've shipped a bunch of them at this point.

[opt2not]

Randy, send me a couple, I'll throw them into my Robotron Cabaret and write up a review for you free of charge.

[Jimbo]

waiting for customs....  will review once I have them!

[ChanceKJ]

Randy, send me a couple, I'll throw them into my Robotron Cabaret and write up a review for you free of charge.

Nice try.  you beat me too it.

[ChanceKJ]

...Randy, he's from our West Coast, and he's a 'Nucks fan.  Who would you really trust to do a good Canadian review?

 

[opt2not]

Someone who can hit over 7 million (and more if need be) in Robotron:

Also, for the record, I am also a Ducks fan since I lived in SoCal for 4 years and have gone to many of their games. Can beat the price of tickets in a psuedo-hockey-market city.

[ChanceKJ]

/Gracefully backs out of the conversation

[yotsuya]

Someone who can hit over 7 million (and more if need be) in Robotron:

Also, for the record, I am also a Ducks fan since I lived in SoCal for 4 years and have gone to many of their games. Can beat the price of tickets in a psuedo-hockey-market city.

[SpatzST]

real cool Randy. keep up the innovations!

[Slippyblade]

Ice hockey in the freaking desert.  Makes total sense.

[opt2not]

Phoenix Coyotes

Hey keep your sub .500 team outta this!

Ice hockey in the freaking desert.  Makes total sense.

What boggles my mind is the Cardinals being 8-1! I shouldn't have traded away Ellington in my fantasy league. 

[yotsuya]

Phoenix Coyotes

Hey keep your sub .500 team outta this!

That's ARIZONA Coyotes, bub.

Ice hockey in the freaking desert.  Makes total sense.

With all the winter visitors and people who move here escaping the cold, makes total sense. I've been a hockey fan since the mid 80s, well before we had an NHL team. I use to go to the coliseum and watch the Phoenix Roadrunners, who originally started in the WHA.

What boggles my mind is the Cardinals being 8-1! I shouldn't have traded away Ellington in my fantasy league. 

On a serious note, it's a change in organizational philosophy that comes from the top down - mainly, Michael Bidwill took control of the team from his cheapskate dad and hired football people to make football decisions. The change in everything has been refreshing.

[ChanceKJ]

So i take it a few of these are out in the wild now?  Any reviews? more images?   

[Jimbo]

I've got 2... not wired them up yet, but they feel great - can't wait to play something with them soon.  I needed to make mounting plates for mine, so I pulled them apart and took a couple of photos of the shaft/grommet.  It's a quality product for sure.  Will report more after playing.

 

[ChanceKJ]

Why did you need to make plates?

[Jimbo]

Why did you need to make plates?

I'm top-mounting the joystick into 12mm ply.

[haynor666]

Nice stick but expensive. I hopw to see in future rotary stick based on rubber/leaf parts.

[opt2not]

Nice stick but expensive. I hopw to see in future rotary stick based on rubber/leaf parts.

It's not that bad really. I mean, a Silent Sanwa JLF with octagonal gate will cost you well over $50 and people buy that specifically to play fighters.
This isn't that different.

[ChanceKJ]

I'm thinking one of these in my new project with an octogon restrictor. I was gonna go servostik and hack it into the ArcadeSD for switching, but I think the feel of this over the servostick will be the way to go. Still kinda on the fence.

[BadMouth]

I'm thinking one of these in my new project with an octogon restrictor. I was gonna go servostik and hack it into the ArcadeSD for switching, but I think the feel of this over the servostick will be the way to go. Still kinda on the fence.

IMO, 4-8 way switching is overrated when using a modern MAME build.  I wish I hadn't bothered with it in my cab and am thinking of removing it.
(mine is an oddball, as it reduces the sensitivity of the optical switches instead of moving a physical restrictor.  Same round restrictor either way)

MAME doesn't allow two directions to be triggered simultaneously anyway, it reacts as if only the most recent switch is being pressed.
So maybe the change in direction would register sooner than it would on a 4-way, but I'd think that would be a good thing.
I didn't do any better at the games with the joystick in 4-way mode.
When testing to see if an overlap or a gap between 4-way directions would be more preferable, an overlap was better.
I didn't know it at the time, but MAME was eliminating the overlap and making an instant transition anyway.

Some people say they just like the feel of the diamond pattern restrictor when playing 4-way games.
I can understand that.  Especially with a square restrictor where you have big corners.
...but my next build won't bother with it and I am considering removing it from my current build.
It's just one more thing to go wrong.  To keep the circuit simple, mine had to default to 4-way.
It sucks when you launch USSFIVAE and the joystick is in 4-way mode because there was some hiccup with a script.

[jaharr01]

Is there any way you could hook a servo kit up to the dominix stick ?

[jaharr01]

I'm thinking one of these in my new project with an octogon restrictor. I was gonna go servostik and hack it into the ArcadeSD for switching, but I think the feel of this over the servostick will be the way to go. Still kinda on the fence.

IMO, 4-8 way switching is overrated when using a modern MAME build.  I wish I hadn't bothered with it in my cab and am thinking of removing it.
(mine is an oddball, as it reduces the sensitivity of the optical switches instead of moving a physical restrictor.  Same round restrictor either way)

MAME doesn't allow two directions to be triggered simultaneously anyway, it reacts as if only the most recent switch is being pressed.
So maybe the change in direction would register sooner than it would on a 4-way, but I'd think that would be a good thing.


I didn't do any better at the games with the joystick in 4-way mode.
When testing to see if an overlap or a gap between 4-way directions would be more preferable, an overlap was better.
I didn't know it at the time, but MAME was eliminating the overlap and making an instant transition anyway.

Some people say they just like the feel of the diamond pattern restrictor when playing 4-way games.
I can understand that.
...but my next build won't bother with it and I am considering removing it from my current build.
It's just one more thing to go wrong.  To keep the circuit simple, mine had to default to 4-way.
It sucks when you launch USSFIVAE and the joystick is in 4-way mode because there was some hiccup with a script.

Are you saying you would use only a 4 way or only an 8 way? I had a lever switching stick and the only games I switched it on was like the 19XX games. I could tell a difference using it 8 way instead of 4way like on pacman type games.It didn't seem to maneuver near as well in 8 way mode.

[BadMouth]

Are you saying you would use only a 4 way or only an 8 way? I had a lever switching stick and the only games I switched it on was like the 19XX games. I could tell a difference using it 8 way instead of 4way like on pacman type games.It didn't seem to maneuver near as well in 8 way mode.

I'm saying I would use an 8-way joystick with a round restrictor all the time.  Because of the way current MAME builds handle input, the 4-way games are just as playable with an 8-way joystick in my opinion.  This wasn't the case with older versions of MAME.  On Donkey Kong, Mario would get stuck at the top of ladders. Pac Man would miss turns, etc.  I don't know when the changes were implemented, but in my experience this just doesn't happen with recent builds.

  Play an 8-way game with a 4-way stick?  That's unpossible!

[deadmoney5]

Are you saying you would use only a 4 way or only an 8 way? I had a lever switching stick and the only games I switched it on was like the 19XX games. I could tell a difference using it 8 way instead of 4way like on pacman type games.It didn't seem to maneuver near as well in 8 way mode.

I'm saying I would use an 8-way joystick with a round restrictor all the time. Because of the way current MAME builds handle input, the 4-way games are just as playable with an 8-way joystick in my opinion.  This wasn't the case with older versions of MAME.  On Donkey Kong, Mario would get stuck at the top of ladders. Pac Man would miss turns, etc.  I don't know when the changes were implemented, but in my experience this just doesn't happen with recent builds.

  Play an 8-way game with a 4-way stick?  That's unpossible!

hmmmm..really?  playing 4-way games with an 8-way joystick is not a problem with newer versions of MAME?

[Fursphere]

I was interested until I saw the price   

[deadmoney5]

I was interested until I saw the price   

$50?  Big deal.  You only live once, and you get what you pay for.

[Xiaou2]

Are you saying you would use only a 4 way or only an 8 way? I had a lever switching stick and the only games I switched it on was like the 19XX games. I could tell a difference using it 8 way instead of 4way like on pacman type games.It didn't seem to maneuver near as well in 8 way mode.

I'm saying I would use an 8-way joystick with a round restrictor all the time.  Because of the way current MAME builds handle input, the 4-way games are just as playable with an 8-way joystick in my opinion.  This wasn't the case with older versions of MAME.  On Donkey Kong, Mario would get stuck at the top of ladders. Pac Man would miss turns, etc.  I don't know when the changes were implemented, but in my experience this just doesn't happen with recent builds.

  Play an 8-way game with a 4-way stick?  That's unpossible!

 I disagree.

 Yes, you Can play 4 way games with an 8 way stick in mame... but they dont play as good when you actually use a PHYSICALLY RESTRICTED 4-way.

 Now, it sounds like you have that analog magnetic stick... so yeah, I can understand why you wouldnt see much of a difference... nor would care to have a limiter.   Its just not the same as a physical diamond shaped restrictor.

 The Diamond shape guides your stick directly from one direction to the next... in a much Shorter pathway...  Much like a Baseball diamond.  Imagine if the runners accidentally ran in a full square around the plates... instead of going directly to each plate...   even One single instance of this, or heck.. even if the runner ran slightly outside of the diamond in a curved manor..   that could cause him to get tagged out due to critical timing.  Similarly, if he didnt end up precisely at the plate.. either a hair above, below..etc...  he would also run risk of getting tagged... and would now need more distance & time to correct for that mistake.

 With a true diamond restricted 4way,  Your stick wont get stuck in any of the Corners... which can easily happen on an 8way stick.  On an intense game of speed-up modded ms pacman.. you cant afford getting stuck in the corners... and thus missing a critically timed turn.  You will also be guided perfectly to the contacts...so theres no accidents of shooting slightly above or below it.

 I highly recommend you play some 4 ways with a real 4way restricted stick, and compare them to your performance and feel, from an 8way.  Your ideas and opinions will change in the first few minutes of play.

 Also, I believe there is at least one 4 way game that mame doesnt handle well with 8 ways:   Assault.   (dual 4 way trigger sticks)   Maybe one of the best tank games ever made.

[Fursphere]

I was interested until I saw the price   

$50?  Big deal.  You only live once, and you get what you pay for.

My first cab had Ultimarc Mag-Sticks in it.   $37 a pop.     Second cab has Sanwa JLFs.  $20 a pop.   

The Sanwa is a much better stick IMO.

[opt2not]

My first cab had Ultimarc Mag-Sticks in it.   $37 a pop.     

  Mag-sticks.  I love Andy's stuff, but I could not enjoy playing on those sticks.

Second cab has Sanwa JLFs.  $20 a pop.   

The Sanwa is a much better stick IMO.

You're comparing Apples to Oranges here. Japanese joysticks have a extremely different feel than the oldschool North American leaf-switch joys. Some people have a nostagic preference, and there are a lot of games that both Sanwa and Rubber Grommet Leaf-switch do not fit for optimal play.

Plus, if you wanna compare prices then compare 'em with the same options:

1. Sanwa JLF = $20
2. Silencing (Sanwa Flash 1- optical PCB, or softer force Microswitch Kits, ie. Omron D2RV-G) = $25-30
3. Optional Octo-gate (Sanwa GT-Y) = $5

In the end you're paying pretty much the same thing with these features, if not a little more, so the question comes down to personal `feel`preference.  PERSONALLY, using a Sanwa for Robotron/SmashTV does not feel right to me -- which I'm assuming is one of the games the Dominux8 is targeting.

Besides, JLF's are only best suited for fighters and brawlers. Seimitsu's for Shmups/Shooters.  Wico leaf-switch, Happs, or even Sanwa JLW's for Classics.   Though the JLW's are decent for Shmups too. IMO

[BadMouth]

I highly recommend you play some 4 ways with a real 4way restricted stick, and compare them to your performance and feel, from an 8way.  Your ideas and opinions will change in the first few minutes of play.

Have done testing (w/MAME v.146) and that is how I formed my opinion.
I acknowledged the shortcomings of square restrictors in my first post.

Both my optical modded JLFs and the Dominux 8-ways which are the subject of this thread have round restriction.
ChanceCK is considering buying these sticks and seemed concerned with having 4/8 way switching.

I am voicing my opinion that the need for a dedicated 4-way or 4-way switching isn't as major as it might appear on BYOAC.
Seeing all the trouble people go to do add a 4-way stick (myself included), you'd think 4 way games were unplayable without a 4-way stick (and they were on old builds of MAME).  Old threads state as much and I myself have even contributed to this by regurgitating what I'd read posted by others.

Now that I've tested for myself, I have a different opinion.

I'm not saying that they are absolutely 100% as good as a physically restricted 4-way.
I'm saying that it's not a big enough difference for me to bother with on the next cab.

People should test it for themselves.
As stated earlier, I do believe square restrictors are a hindrance on 4-way games.

[mgb]

badmouth, I get what you're saying and that's cool if an 8-way suits you fine for 4 way games on later versions of mame
but for me. I've gotta have that short throw 4-way restriction for proper game play.

I wish I didn't have to lie awake at night worried about how I can have proper 4-way, 8-way switching on my player 2 stick but I'm not about to give up on grasping for that star.

sure you can play Frogger with a Happ Comp but go play the original and you'll fine a nice tight 4-way restriction that an 8-way just can't satisfy.
thats for me anyway.

as for this Dominux 8, I've got a customer with a Robotron whom I'm talking into trying out a pair of these. Hopefully we'll see soon.

[ChanceKJ]

...why did I bring back this thread? 

[jaharr01]

You know tonight I was playing my little girls arcade and it has a cheap ebay 8way stick, and it sucks balls trying to play MS pac man on it. I went to my cab that has a four way and it played 10,000 times better. I'm running like Mame .15X, it is a newer version

[deadmoney5]

I was interested until I saw the price   

$50?  Big deal.  You only live once, and you get what you pay for.

My first cab had Ultimarc Mag-Sticks in it.   $37 a pop.     Second cab has Sanwa JLFs.  $20 a pop.   

The Sanwa is a much better stick IMO.

I DO agree with that...The Ultimarcs weren't for me, either

[yotsuya]

...why did I bring back this thread? 

You like the attention. 

[Vigo]

I can't play a 49-way game on a 2-way stick. Even with a parallelogram restrictor.

[yotsuya]

I can't play a 49-way game on a 2-way stick. Even with a parallelogram restrictor.

Use a pair of trackballs. Easy peasy.

[BadMouth]

I can't play a 49-way game on a 2-way stick. Even with a parallelogram restrictor.

You can't really play your best game of Polybius without a parallelogram restrictor.

[yotsuya]

I can't play a 49-way game on a 2-way stick. Even with a parallelogram restrictor.

You can't really play your best game of Polybius without a parallelogram restrictor.

LIAR! According to this authentic photo of Polybius from back in the day, the controls consisted of just one button!

[AzureKnight]

I can't play a 49-way game on a 2-way stick. Even with a parallelogram restrictor.

You can't really play your best game of Polybius without a parallelogram restrictor.

LIAR! According to this authentic photo of Polybius from back in the day, the controls consisted of just one button!

If you look under the hood that button has a parallelogram restrictor....odd I know.   

[BadMouth]

Joystick and parallelogram restrictor clearly visible:



Maybe the one you posted had the joystick removed for safety reasons.
There is no question about the proper font though.

[yotsuya]

Wow......... maybe the government made different machines to do different experiments on people...  I know this guy who knew this guy who knew this guy who knew this guy's brother who swore this dude ate some Pop Rocks, drank some Jolt Cola, played a Polybuis, and his head exploded all over the arcade. But it happened in Hollister, CA, so I can't prove it.

[smbhax]

I've got a thin metal panel with only 2" of clearance beneath it. Will the Dominux8 fit in there in either "Short" or "Long" configurations?

Edit: Ack, despite having read this thread over multiple times, I somehow missed RandyT's answer to this question earlier in the thread:

The restrictors also add just shy of 1/32" to the overall thickness, if one is used.  So the recommended below panel clearance requirements are:

Long Configuration: 2.1"
Short Configuration: 2.75"

Sorry for the unnecessary bump!

[joe35car]

I know the topic is old but am looking to get a pair of these. Just want to know which configuration to go. I need the long shaft 8 way. Just need to know if I should get the smooth circular or the short-throw circular? Will be used for 8 way games and also for robotron.   

Thanks

[Cynicaster]

I know the topic is old but am looking to get a pair of these. Just want to know which configuration to go. I need the long shaft 8 way. Just need to know if I should get the smooth circular or the short-throw circular? Will be used for 8 way games and also for robotron.   

Thanks

I've got a pair of these that I had bottom mounted on a wood panel in the long configuration with the short-throw circular restrictor, but I have since moved them to a different panel where they are mounted with an adapter plate in the short configuration, and the restrictor removed. 

The throw in the long configuration with the restrictor is roughly the same as the throw in the short configuration without the restrictor, although I think the long+restrictor setup might have an ever-so-slightly smaller throw.  Full disclosure, the panel with the short D8's is still not up and running so I haven't actually played anything with it yet, so these are just impressions I get from holding the assembled panel and moving the joysticks around.

I think the general consensus seems to be that these sticks have a throw that is a bit too sloppy in the long configuration without the restrictor, so I'd strongly recommend you get the short-throw circular restrictor.  If on the odd chance you don't like it, you can just take it off.  It is also very "smooth" by the way, so you're not sacrificing a smooth circle by using it.  And these sticks are awesome for Robotron, which is why I bought them.