Adding a PS3 AND a PS2 to a cab (Update 4/11: PS3/PS2 Game Compatibility list)

[SegaOutrun]

I wanted to shed some light on how to add a PS3 and/or PS2 to your racing cabinet. I have completely rewritten my post with updated information.

This of course requires that your cabinet uses a ps3 or PS2 compatible steering wheel. For this tutorial, I will be testing everything with my logitech driving force gt. Result may vary if you use a different wheel.

Connecting your wheel to your PC and PS3/PS2

Option 1: Using a USB Switch (untested by me but, it should work as it is the same premise as option 2) http://www.amazon.com/Plugable-One-Button-Swapping-Between-Computers/dp/B006Z0Q2SI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1397238125&sr=8-1&keywords=usb+switch

Option 2: Using USB extension cables. It's the cheaper route and the extension cables means you dont have to go the back of your PC or Console (For example, I have my extension cable in my Control Panel, When I want to switch, I lift my CP, unplug my wheel from one ext cable and into the other). Its not perfect but, it takes seconds and I dont have to move my cabinet to get to the back of the PC.


PS3 Background
All phat ps3 and some ps3 slims (must be made before July 2010) can be jailbroken to play ps3 backups and ps2 backups. (No super slim PS3 can be jailbroken) This tutorial will not cover how to jailbreak your ps3. I had mine done by someone on Craigslist for $50. There are two ways ps2 backups can be played on the PS3 (Hardware and Software). The only PS3s that offer hardware playback are model numbers CECHAxx and CECHBxx(These are preferable and are normally sold at a premium). PS2 Software playback was offered by Sony on model number CECHCxx and CECHExx only but, thanks to advances in the Jailbreak community, all jailbreakable PS3s can now have ps2 Software playback using Custom Firmware. You can also go the full legal route and just hookup your PS3 into your cabinet but, it you will need to access it every time to change disc games and PS2 playback is only available in the first two models. The PS3 is not region locked so, you can play original Japanese racing games without having to mod your PS3.

Software playback is essentially a ps2 emulator made by Sony for the PS3. It does not have 100% compatibility, some games will not play at all and some will have graphical issue and/or playback issue. More importantly, since it is an emulator, it does not have peripheral support for PS2, meaning STEERING WHEELS ARE NOT SUPPORTED ON NON-BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE PS3(PS2 Software versions). I sadly had to learn this the hard way. My PS3 slim will load ps2 games but, it will not recognize my steering wheel as a steering wheel(it sees it a regular dualshock controller) which makes it useless for playing ps2 racing games. If you want to buy a PS3 to play PS2 racing games with your steering wheel, you must purchase a model that uses hardware playback (model numbers CECHAxx or CECHBxx ONLY)  

PS3 CFW
Once jailbroken, you can install a custom firmware that adds features like playing PS3 backups and PS2 backups. If you are looking for simplicity, I recommend any custom firmware that includes "Cobra". CFW infused with Cobra add additional features including playing games in ISO format (makes life easier) and other options like loading games from your network or NTFS HDD.

For Non-backward Compatible PS3 I recommend "Habib's 4.55 CFW with Cobra" (Has PS2 ISO playback for NON-Backward Compatible only). For Backward Compatible PS3s, i recommend "HABIB 4.46 V1.03A COBRA EDITION" (this version has PS2 ISO playback on Backward Compatible PS3(hardware version) so, its perfect for playing ps3 and ps2 racing games). I cannot stress enough that you should do additional research when deciding what CFW to use and that you are careful to avoid bricking your PS3 or getting your PS3 banned.

PS3 Games that are steering wheel compatible

Tested by me:
Initial D: Extreme Stage
Burnout Paradise
Dirt Series (1,2,3,Showdown)
Grid 1 and 2
Gran Turismo 5 and 6
Juiced 2
Midnight Club : LA
Motorstorm Apocalypse
Nascar series (ive only tested 2k14 but, they are all listed with wheel support)
Need for Speed Series (ive only tested HP and Shift but, they are all listed with wheel support)
Sega Rally Revo
Ridge Racer 7
Ridge Racer Unbounded
Wangan Midnight: Maximum tune

The following have not been tested by me but are listed as having wheel support

F1 Series (2010-14)
Ferrari Challenge
GTA 4 (cars only)
Sonic All star racing
Test Drive 2
WRC (2010-2012)


PSN GAMES that are Steering Wheel Compatible (note: Most of these games are no longer available legally due to licenses ending)
Tested by me:
Outrun Online Arcade
Daytona USA Online
Sega Rally Online

PS2 Background
Almost all PS2 can be softmodded using Free MCBOOT (Slim version SCPH-9xxxx with date codes 8c and on cannot be softmodded). Free MCBOOT uses a memory card exploit to load external applications. http://bootleg.sksapps.com/tutorials/fmcb/ There a multiple methods of getting free mcboot onto your memory card and there are also communities that will add it to your memory card as long as you provide the card and postage. My second memory card slot is broken, so I cannot make a copy for you. Please do not pm. Once you have Free MCBOOT, you can load PS2 backups from the DVD Drive, USB stick, ext and internal HDD and your network. Since it is not an emulator like the PS3, peripheral like a steering wheel WILL work on a modded PS2. I have a fat PS2 and im using a spare IDE HDD to load my games. Once again, you can go the fully legal route and just add a PS2 system to your cabinet but, you will need to access it to change games and the PS2 is region locked so, Japaneses and European racing games will not play on a non-modded ps2.

PS2 Games that are Steering Wheel Compatible

Tested by me:
Initial D: Special Stage (J)
Battle Gear 3 (j)
Burnout Series
Auto Modellista
Gran Turismo (3 and 4)
Tokyo Extreme Racer (3 and Drift 2)
Sega Rally Championship 1995 (Arcade port and kind of hard to find) (j)
Sega Rally 2006
Enthusia
Need for Speed Series
18 Wheeler
Outrun 2 SP (j)


The following have not been tested by me but are listed as having wheel support

Colin McRae Rally Series
EA sport F1 Series
Ferrari F355
Juiced 1 and 2
Nascar Series
Test Drive Series
Toca Series
WRC series

The following are racing games I have tested that do NOT have steering wheel support (for my DFGT atleast, other wheels may be different)

Outrun 2 C2C - Does not see my wheel and does not have wheel settings in options menu like the Japanese version does(outrun2SP).
Battle Gear 2 - (Japanese Version) / Tokyo Road Race (European version)- Although the splash screen in Tokyo Road race mentions a steering wheel, it would not see my wheel at all.
Ridge Racer V - Does not see my wheel but after a deep google search, someone once mentioned using their madkatz wheel to play so maybe its my wheel.
Road Rage 3 - (european ver) / Touge 3 (japanese version) - a budget game that actually pretty fun. its like a budget mix of initial d and battle gear. Does not see my wheel

Once I have everything in place and hidden. I will make a video. I will also add more specific information like how to load ps3 games from your PC and how to add games to an internal PS2 HDD, etc

[vandale]

Cool idea. I like the USB switch to keep it slick, maybe add that at a later date?

Outrun 2, that's what my current build will be modelled off. Any idea where I can get hi res artwork files for that?

Thanks

[BadMouth]

i found out that ps3 could now be modded to boot ps2 games from the HDD even if it was not a backward compatible model. So I decided to spend a bit more and bought a ps3 =). $100 for the system(160gb slim) and $50 for the jailbreak.

I'm paying attention now. 

[Malenko]

you running a CFW or a Cobra?

PS2Classics is a game changer.

[SegaOutrun]

i didnt want to get the usb switch because i was worried it would not break power contact which is needed to reset the wheel. The usb switch should do that but, I didnt want to spend $20 to find out. Plus I already had one usb extension cable so $5>$20.

for artwork, i just google with preferences set to large. Outrun 2 is new enough that you will plenty of hi-res artwork.

im currently running team zero 4.55 cfw atm. I am thinking about updating to habib cobra 4.55 because a cobra infused cfw allows you to boot ps2 isos directly from the HDD so there is no need for make PS2 placeholders like I did. But on the other hand, I get to make the artwork for the ps2 placeholder so its prettier than just booting initiald.iso from a list

[ant2]

Like.my plan was to buy a ps2 for ps2 games. Think I may get a ps3 as you did in the future when the price drops further.

[pbj]

Direct boot of PS2 games?  Man, CFW's finally come along a little bit.  Post a video when you get this all going.

 

[Malenko]

Direct boot of PS2 games?  Man, CFW's finally come along a little bit.  Post a video when you get this all going.

 

yeah you can direct boot em and you can PS2CLassics hold them and launch from main menu or Multiman.  I however cant figure out retroarch for SNES and the like.

[SegaOutrun]

Another small update: Netbooting

The Bad news: I went a bit crazy with the games and went over what my 160gb ps3 could hold so I bought an external HDD (1tb WD element USB 3.0). But i ran into an issue, the HDD was not compatible with the PS3. It couldn't pull enough juice out of the usb port to power it. It would see it an unknown usb device.  I google around and saw others had a similar issue and fixed it by getting a powered usb hub. I didnt feel like spending more money so, I searched for alternative.

The Good news: After searching, I found a solution that was even better than my original idea. Certain CFW can load games from a network drive. So I updated my CFW to Habib's Cobra 4.55 and now I can load ps3, ps2 and psp games/isos for my network. Ps2 isos means I no longer have to manually make a placeholder on the dashboard for each game, just select and play. Even better my ext hdd does not need to a special format so I can use it a regular hdd for my PC without issue at the exact same time.

The Worse news: Some older ps2 games with steering wheel compatibility recognize my driving force gt wheel but not my pedals. I think my wheel is too new (in comparison to the game) and the game is looking for the original force gt wheel configuration. I will have time to test all the games on the weekend to give you guys a compatibility list.

[Brian74]

Nice job so far! I plan on sending one of my ps3's in to get downgraded. Only guy I can find is in Indiana... Keep up the good work!

[SegaOutrun]

SAD UPDATE:

 I was worried when 2 games wouldn't recognize my wheel as a wheel (it would see it as a reg controller) and my worst nightmare has been realized. I can now confirm that NO PS2 GAMES will see my wheel as driving force wheel. It seems that it is a limitation of the sony ps2 emulator and not of CFW. i did some research and it seem that no ps2 peripherals work in emulation mode so, its not specific to my wheel, CFW or ps2 game.

PSN GAMES and PS3 games read my wheel just fine so, i will keep the ps3 but, im going to go back to my original plan to mod my original PS2 system to netboot. Now my wheel will run triple duty in my cabinet. PS3 system, PS2 system and PC.

For information sake, the following PSN games read my Driving force GT without issue.

Outrun Online Arcade
Daytona USA Online
Sega Rally Online

The PSN version of Crazy Taxi does not have wheel support.

[SegaOutrun]

My MCBOOT memory card arrived today and i got it up and running right away. Games are currently running off a USB thumb drive. I tried network loading today but it wasnt working. I will try again but i think im just going to stick an old IDE harddrive in there for simplicity. The best part is that games see my steering wheel as a steering wheel and not just a Dualshock controller (the issue i ran into when loading ps2 games on my PS3). i can finally race with my wheel.

I will update this thread with the stuff need to get a ps2 and/or ps3 running in your cab. I think im going to have all 3 in my cab. ps2/ps3/PC and just use usb extension cable to quickly plug my wheel into whatever im in the mood to play.

Ignore the mess. the control panel is currently being redone to incorporate my new wheel. The PS2 and PS3 will ofcourse be hidden once im done setting up. This is Initial D running of the USB stick on my PS2.

[Malenko]

I didnt know you needed a McBoot card, I coulda made you one :p

Im workin on a driving set up myself (racing seat with a stand in front of a TV, not a cab) so I'll be watching how you do the consoles. My Fanatec Wheel works on PS2, PS3, 360, and PC so I plan to try and utilize them all. Already have a backward compatible PS3 (thanks to Haruman) with CFW on it, I was hoping that'd take the place of a PS2, but I have a PS2 as well (thanks to jmike!)

[Brian74]

I didnt know you needed a McBoot card, I coulda made you one :p

Im workin on a driving set up myself (racing seat with a stand in front of a TV, not a cab) so I'll be watching how you do the consoles. My Fanatec Wheel works on PS2, PS3, 360, and PC so I plan to try and utilize them all. Already have a backward compatible PS3 (thanks to Haruman) with CFW on it, I was hoping that'd take the place of a PS2, but I have a PS2 as well (thanks to jmike!)

Not to jack this thread, but Haruman knows ps3's?

[Malenko]

Not to jack this thread, but Haruman knows ps3's?

You'd have to PM him, he had a first run PS2 backard compatible PS3 for sale and I bought it, then I took the time to update the CFW and Multiman,etc  psx-scene.com is a good resource.

[SegaOutrun]

ive compiled a steering wheel compatibility list. I also change my original post to reflect everything ive learned the last two weeks

This was tested with a Logitech Driving Force GT. Result may vary with a different wheel.

PS3 Games that are steering wheel compatible

Tested by me:
Initial D: Extreme Stage
Burnout Paradise
Dirt Series (1,2,3,Showdown)
Grid 1 and 2
Gran Turismo 5 and 6
Juiced 2
Midnight Club : LA
Motorstorm Apocalypse
Nascar series (ive only tested 2k14 but, they are all listed with wheel support)
Need for Speed Series (ive only tested HP and Shift but, they are all listed with wheel support)
Sega Rally Revo
Ridge Racer 7
Ridge Racer Unbounded
Wangan Midnight: Maximum tune

The following have not been tested by me but are listed as having wheel support

F1 Series (2010-14)
Ferrari Challenge
GTA 4 (cars only)
Sonic All star racing
Test Drive 2
WRC (2010-2012)


PSN GAMES that are Steering Wheel Compatible (note: Most of these games are no longer available legally due to licenses ending)
Tested by me:
Outrun Online Arcade
Daytona USA Online
Sega Rally Online

PS2 Background
Almost all PS2 can be softmodded using Free MCBOOT (Slim version SCPH-9xxxx with date codes 8c and on cannot be softmodded). Free MCBOOT uses a memory card exploit to load external applications. http://bootleg.sksapps.com/tutorials/fmcb/ There a multiple methods of getting free mcboot onto your memory card and there are also communities that will add it to your memory card as long as you provide the card and postage. My second memory card slot is broken, so I cannot make a copy for you. Please do not pm. Once you have Free MCBOOT, you can load PS2 backups from the DVD Drive, USB stick, ext and internal HDD and your network. Since it is not an emulator like the PS3, peripheral like a steering wheel WILL work on a modded PS2. I have a fat PS2 and im using a spare IDE HDD to load my games. Once again, you can go the fully legal route and just add a PS2 system to your cabinet but, you will need to access it to change games and the PS2 is region locked so, Japaneses and European racing games will not play on a non-modded ps2.

PS2 Games that are Steering Wheel Compatible

Tested by me:
Initial D: Special Stage (J)
Battle Gear 3 (j)
Burnout Series
Auto Modellista
Gran Turismo (3 and 4)
Tokyo Extreme Racer (3 and Drift 2)
Sega Rally Championship 1995 (Arcade port and kind of hard to find) (j)
Sega Rally 2006
Enthusia
Need for Speed Series
18 Wheeler
Outrun 2 SP (j)


The following have not been tested by me but are listed as having wheel support

Colin McRae Rally Series
EA sport F1 Series
Ferrari F355
Juiced 1 and 2
Nascar Series
Test Drive Series
Toca Series
WRC series

The following are racing games I have tested that do NOT have steering wheel support (for my DFGT atleast, other wheels may be different)

Outrun 2 C2C - Does not see my wheel and does not have wheel settings in options menu like the Japanese version does(outrun2SP).
Battle Gear 2 - (Japanese Version) / Tokyo Road Race (European version)- Although the splash screen in Tokyo Road race mentions a steering wheel, it would not see my wheel at all.
Ridge Racer V - Does not see my wheel but after a deep google search, someone once mentioned using their madkatz wheel to play so maybe its my wheel.
Road Rage 3 - (european ver) / Touge 3 (japanese version) - a budget game that actually pretty fun. its like a budget mix of initial d and battle gear. Does not see my wheel

[BadMouth]

Don't forget about the spreadsheets we started....
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aq37CSO6oe1fdGNQUGN5UU1QeTl0ZFQ3WkFKYTR1aWc#gid=5