Sharing Controls Diy Switcher

[Brian74]

So I have googled and searched for a alternative way of sharing the buttons and trackball between my silver strike and bag toss games. I have both pc's mounted in my ssb cab. For the video and audio I plan on using a kvm switch. I tried splicing the ground and 5v between the i/o board and trackball with a dpdt switch. Then wiring the rest of the wires together. But it didn't work. Is there another way beside happs perfect solution or a db9 switch to do this? There is a jamma connector on the bag toss i /o board, but there isn't one on the ssb.

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[Brian74]

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[opt2not]

chopperthedog had a nice thread about using relays for switching between a PC and a JAMMA Multi-williams.  I think he said it cost him $50 in parts at the end of the day.
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,132445.msg1360682.html#msg1360682

I plan on doing something similar for a future project.

[Brian74]

I seen that, but I have never used relays before. Maybe I will msg him see if he can dumb it up for me so I can understand. Thanks opt!

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[Fursphere]

A relay is an electronic switch.  In one state without power, in another state with power.  Closed / Open / Closed are standard.

But that post doesn't say anything about what the guy used..  so its kind of worthless. 

[Brian74]

A relay is an electronic switch.  In one state without power, in another state with power.  Closed / Open / Closed are standard.

But that post doesn't say anything about what the guy used..  so its kind of worthless.

Thats what I meant when I said I would ask him to dumb it up for me. Even if I dont put that bag toss game it that cab. I plan on putting one of my mame pc's in it.

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[opt2not]

A relay is an electronic switch.  In one state without power, in another state with power.  Closed / Open / Closed are standard.

But that post doesn't say anything about what the guy used..  so its kind of worthless.

Worthless? Did you not read what he wrote? He lists everything he uses.
7 relays, 2 1\8" TRS female audio jacks, 2 female 15 pin vga plugs and a low profile rocker switch.

You can see how he wired up his loom, and the relays clear as day. It's pretty straight forward for someone who knows basic wiring, heck, if you can wire up a CP, you should be able to wire this up.
Relays are ---steaming pile of meadow muffin----simple to understand. They're switches that get activated with power.

[Fursphere]

I was expecting something like a basic schematic.  Not a screenshot.   

[opt2not]

Ahh I getcha. Yeah, schematics would be nice...if you know how to read them.

[Fursphere]

Ya.. knowing how a relay works and what the circuit is trying to accomplish are two very different things. 

I was just contemplating building a relay bank to swap a set of controls (joystick + buttons) between and I-Pac(2) and an A-Pac.   

[SavannahLion]

To be fair, a schematic would have done little good. A lesson on wiring and relay function might be more appropriate.

Not all relays controls the same way. Basic relay works like thus. Apply power, switch goes one way. Take away power, switch goes the other way. That is what is used in that post. But what if I pick up a latching relay? What then? The wiring and even the activating switch changes. One coil or two? Oops different circuit.

Personally, I would choose a latching relay because it bugs me a tiny bit knowing I'm losing electricity holding a relay closed when a simple pulse would do the trick. Odd thing considering I like CRTs so much.

[michelevit]

It's comical how people can be so demanding in the anonymity of the internet.

Can someone help me cook a thanksgiving turkey? 15 posts later chock full of recipes and good advice...

"Actually what I meant was , I was hoping someone could come over and thaw that 15 pound bird, brine it, dress it and throw it in my oven. While I relax in my pjs and catchup on my netflix que.. Can't anyone do this for me?"

[opt2not]

There are time delayed relays too right?
I wonder if there is a latching time delayed relay as well.

Yeah, I'd much rather use latching as well. But what is the amp draw of a basic relay? I'm guessing it would depend on the relay type, but is there an average number as an idea?

[Fursphere]

To be fair, a schematic would have done little good. A lesson on wiring and relay function might be more appropriate.

Not all relays controls the same way. Basic relay works like thus. Apply power, switch goes one way. Take away power, switch goes the other way. That is what is used in that post. But what if I pick up a latching relay? What then? The wiring and even the activating switch changes. One coil or two? Oops different circuit.

Personally, I would choose a latching relay because it bugs me a tiny bit knowing I'm losing electricity holding a relay closed when a simple pulse would do the trick. Odd thing considering I like CRTs so much.

Ok, a design schematic with callouts for parts used.   Better?

When I read pinball schematics, 99% of the time they've got the mfg. part numbers used as well.  (now, sometimes they're not made anymore so you have to find a suitable replacement...  but values, models, "intended functions" are needed.

Otherwise its just a "black box" that does "stuff"

[Brian74]

It's comical how people can be so demanding in the anonymity of the internet.

Can someone help me cook a thanksgiving turkey? 15 posts later chock full of recipes and good advice...

"Actually what I meant was , I was hoping someone could come over and thaw that 15 pound bird, brine it, dress it and throw it in my oven. While I relax in my pjs and catchup on my netflix que.. Can't anyone do this for me?"

I am not asking anyone to build this for me. All I was trying to do was pool ideas together on how to do it. I can do basic wiring, that's about it. Everything I know about modding consoles, arcade cabinets and computers is either self taught or Google and YouTube. As I posted earlier, I tried using a dpdt switch to swap the ground and power between the two, it didn't work. I have seen people talk about using a db9 printer switch. Problem with that is, I dont have enough pins to cover everything. Thanks for the ideas and help so far guys. This is what this forum is about, learning and sharing.
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[chopperthedog]

You can use ANY double pole double throw relay that you happen to get your hands on. There are many different coil voltages to choose from (I went with 12v) when it comes to relays. I linked you to a drawing I did in one of your other threads that was pretty much a schematic to help visualize the relay and basic wiring of the important components. 



In the drawing you can see with no power applied to the relay coil everything is set for Golden Tee. Apply power to coil to switch over to silver strike wiring. Obviously this isn't specific to your set up at all. But it shows the basic functions that would need to be switched. I know nothing of the type of wiring that the 2 games you have has. It's up to you to identify where and how to start hacking the wiring to isolate and switch power, video, sound and control from the 2 sources.



good day.

[Brian74]

Thanks so much for chiming in chopper. The video and audio I can switch with the kvm. Its the trackball and buttons im trying to figure out.

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[Fursphere]

chopperthedog - you've got some mad mspaint skills!   

[mgb]

There are time delayed relays too right?
I wonder if there is a latching time delayed relay as well.

Yeah, I'd much rather use latching as well. But what is the amp draw of a basic relay? I'm guessing it would depend on the relay type, but is there an average number as an idea?

The altronix 6062 is a great little time delay relay that you can set to activate after a time delay or to reset after the time delay.
They're not super cheap as relays go though.
Any dpdt relay can be wired for latching.

I had a candy crane for a customer that had board issues causing the crane to release at different times.
  A few latching relays and some other bits and pieces, it's now more reliable than it was ever was.

[madboy007]

nice