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Anyone seen UDOO on kickstart?
« on: April 28, 2013, 10:20:26 pm »
I ran across this on Kickstart.  I am not sure how well it would work but it has 54 on board inputs.  I think it would do good for most games before 1990.  I have a 2.5 GHz P4 with 1 Gig of ram and it runs the games I wanted.  What are your thoughts?  What games do you think this will start to have problem emulating well mid 90's or early 90's?

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/435742530/udoo-android-linux-arduino-in-a-tiny-single-board?ref=category

Sorry if this has been posted before but I did a search and did not find UDOO anywhere I figured it was not posted yet.

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Re: Anyone seen UDOO on kickstart?
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2013, 10:37:11 am »
Interesting little board.  Would be a great little computer to run a cocktail table or bartop.  I'm curious how many games it could support (and if there are any good linux frontends).


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Re: Anyone seen UDOO on kickstart?
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2013, 06:00:02 pm »
Seems to be another Raspi clone that is missing the point of what the Raspi is to the education community.

$109 vs $35

I know the Raspi doesn't have all the bells and whistles that this UDOO board has, but in reality do you really need a SATA port or a quad core processor for basic programming and IO projects?

Short answer is no. 

But without innovation and funding the Raspi would not exist today.
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Re: Anyone seen UDOO on kickstart?
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2013, 09:50:22 pm »
Seems to be another Raspi clone that is missing the point of what the Raspi is to the education community.

$109 vs $35

I know the Raspi doesn't have all the bells and whistles that this UDOO board has, but in reality do you really need a SATA port or a quad core processor for basic programming and IO projects?

Short answer is no. 

But without innovation and funding the Raspi would not exist today.

i have the same thoughts. it appears you are just buying a (and forgive the use of the word...) "retarded" computer. for $10 each I just bought 6 IBM lenovo desktops computers (3ghz P4's with 512mb ram and no harddrives) from the gummit auction here in town.

compare that with the 1.2ghz ARM processor this thing uses. yes i know i'm comparing apples and oranges...but still. they are trying to make it "desktop like"

seems like all these guys want to do is one-up the raspberry pi even if the result is something nobody wants.

sd card for storage? pfffft SATA that ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---.
a single ARM processor...humph....QUADCORE!!
gotta plug an Arduino on there??? Whaaaaaaaaat losers? build that crap in!

so now we basically have the equivelent of the atom computer. A computer which no one wants and falls sort on some of the most basic computing tasks.

and for that reason, i'm out.

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Re: Anyone seen UDOO on kickstart?
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2013, 10:34:50 pm »
Seems to be another Raspi clone that is missing the point of what the Raspi is to the education community.

$109 vs $35

I know the Raspi doesn't have all the bells and whistles that this UDOO board has, but in reality do you really need a SATA port or a quad core processor for basic programming and IO projects?

Short answer is no. 

But without innovation and funding the Raspi would not exist today.

i have the same thoughts. it appears you are just buying a (and forgive the use of the word...) "retarded" computer. for $10 each I just bought 6 IBM lenovo desktops computers (3ghz P4's with 512mb ram and no harddrives) from the gummit auction here in town.

compare that with the 1.2ghz ARM processor this thing uses. yes i know i'm comparing apples and oranges...but still. they are trying to make it "desktop like"

seems like all these guys want to do is one-up the raspberry pi even if the result is something nobody wants.

sd card for storage? pfffft SATA that ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---.
a single ARM processor...humph....QUADCORE!!
gotta plug an Arduino on there??? Whaaaaaaaaat losers? build that crap in!

so now we basically have the equivelent of the atom computer. A computer which no one wants and falls sort on some of the most basic computing tasks.

and for that reason, i'm out.

I agree to an extent -- for many tasks, a PC does better.  But, you know, there's something nice about these ARM boards.  And it's called power efficiency.  All that power you suck up?  Has to go somewhere.

So that el-cheapo P4 you have?  Good luck keeping it cool in an enclosed arcade cabinet without a fan.  Let alone a bartop build, or the mini arcade projects that people like to build.  And sometimes, you don't need a quad core.

There are better priced projects than that UDDO board, such as the Beagle Bone which costs only about $5-10 more than the Raspberry Pi, and has Arduino-like capabilities.

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Re: Anyone seen UDOO on kickstart?
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2013, 12:09:59 am »
Thanks for the link.......looks like it'd be great for the embedded project I'm designing atm.

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Re: Anyone seen UDOO on kickstart?
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2013, 11:32:36 am »
From a big picture perspective there are things this platform would do that I can't do with a Raspberry Pi/Arduino combination but the price point is quite high.

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Re: Anyone seen UDOO on kickstart?
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2013, 03:59:15 pm »
From a big picture perspective there are things this platform would do that I can't do with a Raspberry Pi/Arduino combination but the price point is quite high.

Seriously, check out the BeagleBone.  $40-45 buys you a dual core Cortex A8 at 1ghz with the prototyping ability of an Arduino with PWM and shields.

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Re: Anyone seen UDOO on kickstart?
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2013, 04:46:43 pm »
Unless you really need something tiny, I just don't get the point of this.  As others have pointed out, you can get 2nd hand PCs for less, and they'll do a better job of things.  ARM boards are great, and they certainly have their place, but they're far from ideal for emulator cabinets.  Raw horsepower aside, most emulators have a lot more optimization behind them for the x86 architecture.  The ARM ports are not nearly so refined, so both speed and accuracy suffer.  After dropping several hundred bucks (at least) on a cabinet build, why cheap out on the brains?

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Re: Anyone seen UDOO on kickstart?
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2013, 07:21:42 pm »
From a big picture perspective there are things this platform would do that I can't do with a Raspberry Pi/Arduino combination but the price point is quite high.

Seriously, check out the BeagleBone.  $40-45 buys you a dual core Cortex A8 at 1ghz with the prototyping ability of an Arduino with PWM and shields.

Well you get away with a good chunk of games with this cheap tablet, and you get a screen too!

http://www.ebuyer.com/494729-busbi-tablet-pc-111019
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Re: Anyone seen UDOO on kickstart?
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2013, 10:29:34 am »
From a big picture perspective there are things this platform would do that I can't do with a Raspberry Pi/Arduino combination but the price point is quite high.

Seriously, check out the BeagleBone.  $40-45 buys you a dual core Cortex A8 at 1ghz with the prototyping ability of an Arduino with PWM and shields.

Well you get away with a good chunk of games with this cheap tablet, and you get a screen too!

http://www.ebuyer.com/494729-busbi-tablet-pc-111019

I'm talking automation.  The Arduino's CPU is woefully underpowered when working in high code automation environments.  For instance a home built thermostat system or a pool automation system.  The RaspberryPi is more powerfully but also limited in it's abilities.

From a big picture perspective there are things this platform would do that I can't do with a Raspberry Pi/Arduino combination but the price point is quite high.

Seriously, check out the BeagleBone.  $40-45 buys you a dual core Cortex A8 at 1ghz with the prototyping ability of an Arduino with PWM and shields.

I have and it's awesome.

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Re: Anyone seen UDOO on kickstart?
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2013, 10:45:01 am »
The Arduino's CPU is woefully underpowered when working in high code automation environments.

that was my thought as well. if we are just controlling the arduino, why do we need SATA and quad core ARM processors?

if we simply expanded the PI to have an arduino built in, that would be the end of it.

the PI already has a similarly spec'd machine? called beaglebone that more or less expands the GPIO to 66 for about 90 bucks  :dunno

that puts the BB at about the same price as buying and plunking a arduino shield adapter onto the PI to expand it's capabilities.  :dunno

well, think of the udoo as the answer to the question no one asked.

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Re: Anyone seen UDOO on kickstart?
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2013, 11:08:51 am »
The Arduino's CPU is woefully underpowered when working in high code automation environments.

that was my thought as well. if we are just controlling the arduino, why do we need SATA and quad core ARM processors?

if we simply expanded the PI to have an arduino built in, that would be the end of it.

the PI already has a similarly spec'd machine? called beaglebone that more or less expands the GPIO to 66 for about 90 bucks  :dunno

that puts the BB at about the same price as buying and plunking a arduino shield adapter onto the PI to expand it's capabilities.  :dunno

well, think of the udoo as the answer to the question no one asked.

Actually, lilshawn -- there's a new version of the Beagle Bone -- the old one was about $90.  At $45, the new one is faster, and has exactly what you mentioned -- an 'Arduino' set of capabilities.  It's just faster, better built, and better designed.  The Raspberry Pi has some issues with their design.

Otherwise -- I agree with you.  The Arduino is woefully underpowered for emulation purposes, and the Raspberry Pi doesn't have enough PWM and GPIO capabilities.

I'll be putting my money where my mouth is, and getting one of these BeagleBone.  I'm thinking about a GroovyArcade image for it to put on the 2GB EMMC, as Arch Linux supports the BeagleBone now.  If I do this, then this should make all these micro-builds infinitely more versatile.  A lot of you guys are better at the hardware and cabinet-making, but my forte is software. :)

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Re: Anyone seen UDOO on kickstart?
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2013, 04:12:39 pm »
I found it interesting they showed Track and Field for gaming. Cool....no jump or throw, though.
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Re: Anyone seen UDOO on kickstart?
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2013, 08:04:49 pm »
no VGA/DVI video output, so no sale

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Re: Anyone seen UDOO on kickstart?
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2013, 08:07:16 pm »
no VGA/DVI video output, so no sale

It has HDMI so you can use an HDMI->DVI cable.  It's the same signal.

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Re: Anyone seen UDOO on kickstart?
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2013, 08:17:07 pm »
Unless you really need something tiny, I just don't get the point of this.

I think that is the point: small form factor/low power consumption.

Building anything portable (esp. something moving under its own power), smaller & lighter is better.

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Re: Anyone seen UDOO on kickstart?
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2013, 08:25:33 pm »
no VGA/DVI video output, so no sale

It has HDMI so you can use an HDMI->DVI cable.  It's the same signal.
 

I mean for connecting to analog displays, CRT for instance

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Re: Anyone seen UDOO on kickstart?
« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2013, 08:30:52 pm »
no VGA/DVI video output, so no sale

It has HDMI so you can use an HDMI->DVI cable.  It's the same signal.
 

I mean for connecting to analog displays, CRT for instance

You can get adapters for that.  But I wouldn't expect small boards like the UDOO to include things like VGA ports; there's just no room for it.

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Re: Anyone seen UDOO on kickstart?
« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2013, 09:12:05 pm »
pico ITX boards had daughter cards to put whatever ports you need on them.

i'm sure something similar could have been implemented in cases like this.

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Re: Anyone seen UDOO on kickstart?
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2013, 09:24:00 am »
Until MAME supports OpenGL ES, processor speed will be a primary concern, because software rendering will be required.  The Raspberry Pi could handle the newest MAME versions (though obviously not all games) if it could utilize OpenGL ES instead of requiring either plain OpenGL (which most of these embedded boards do not support) or software only.

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Re: Anyone seen UDOO on kickstart?
« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2013, 10:01:49 am »
Until MAME supports OpenGL ES, processor speed will be a primary concern, because software rendering will be required.  The Raspberry Pi could handle the newest MAME versions (though obviously not all games) if it could utilize OpenGL ES instead of requiring either plain OpenGL (which most of these embedded boards do not support) or software only.

Bingo.  Hopefully this will happen in the near future.

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Re: Anyone seen UDOO on kickstart?
« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2013, 01:10:18 pm »
Looks like MAME4Droid has OpenGL ES support, and it looks like it is built on MAME 0.139u1.

Should not be a huge deal for someone with C/C++ knowledge to create a patch for vanilla MAME, I wouldn't think.