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I just stumbled across this while looking to find a cheap down and dirty projector, figured I'd better share the love after buying one myself...

http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/consumer/consDetail.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=yes&infoType=Overview&oid=63088266&category=Products

Epson PowerLite 410W Multimedia Projector - Refurbished
Ultra short throw distance
2000 lumens color/white
Native WXGA resolution
3LCD, 3-chip technology
Built-in 10W speaker
Built-in closed captioning
E-TORL® lamp – up to 4000 hrs
RJ-45 LAN, RS-232 connectivity

That's a heck of a lot of PJ for not a lot of Groats!!
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Re: Refurb Epson 2000 Lumen WXGA 16:10 Projectors - $199 & Free Shipping!!
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2013, 12:54:27 am »
That is a sweet looking deal. Especially a 60" image from 2' away is badass. Trigger would have been pulled if it had hdmi.


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Thanks for posting this deal.  This thing screams projection arcade machine, with the short projection distance, built in audio and VGA inputs.  This is definitely a better deal than the cheap imported jobs, and it offers a lot more.

I'm in! :cheers:

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Not sure how it's doing the scaling for widescreen, unless it crops top and bottom, but the native resolution of 1280x800 should make for some fairly perfect CPU scaling of 320x200 content, with enough left over to provide some anti-aliasing and/or scanline effects.  Could be very interesting....
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Yeah man glad I could help out, I actually ended up buying two for my pinball project, I'm going to be trying to use them to project all of the game's side art onto the sides of the base cabinet from within, should be a fun challenge.
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Looks like it's out of stock now.  I wonder how far apart Sega gun sensors can be set?  That would make a cool house of the dead 2 setup!

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 >:D Should I get one... How big of a image could this make?
         

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http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/jsp/Product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=yes&sku=V11H318020-N#0

If these come back in stock they are amazing.  I bought three.  They include the mount and everything.  Still no HDMI though.  Same price at $199.

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Re: Refurb Epson 2000 Lumen WXGA 16:10 Projectors - $199 & Free Shipping!!
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2013, 07:39:57 pm »
I think they are all out of stock now Brian

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Re: Refurb Epson 2000 Lumen WXGA 16:10 Projectors - $199 & Free Shipping!!
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2013, 08:46:54 pm »
If you can swing it, buy a replacement bulb at the same time.

This looks like it might be  a good place to get one.

ok, which one is better?

It's hard to say.  The latter certainly has a higher retail price tag, but needs to be closer to the screen at any given screen size than the 410w.  The 450 also requires more distance between the projector and the screen edge, which means that rooms with lower ceilings will reduce the size of the image more than the 410.  The 410 is capable of larger images as well.  Neither has an optical zoom function, so wherever it comes into focus at the desired size, is pretty much exactly where the projector will need to be installed.  Both have digital zoom, so the projector can be placed at a point of providing a larger picture than desired, and the image size reduced at the cost of brightness and resolution (really not desirable).  The 450 boasts more light output, but a shorter lamp life, and much higher power consumption. The increased angle on the 450 may also produce a focus that is less even than the 410.

I used a 2000 lumen projector in a darkened room (the only real way to view a projected image) for a number of years and it was 21' from the screen.  I'm curious to see how much difference there is with a lens arrangement like this, at a much shorter distance.

So it really boils down to what your needs are.  The 450 includes the wall mount, frankly because it needs one.  There are not many other ways to use it, as it was designed with that application in mind.  The 410 still needs to be close, but is probably a bit more versatile.  Regardless, these have been out of production for a while, so it's hard to tell whether they even have any more to offer.

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Re: Refurb Epson 2000 Lumen WXGA 16:10 Projectors - $199 & Free Shipping!!
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2013, 09:34:38 pm »
The 410 is still in stock. Just ordered one!
         

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Re: Refurb Epson 2000 Lumen WXGA 16:10 Projectors - $199 & Free Shipping!!
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2013, 01:16:42 am »
The 410 is still in stock. Just ordered one!

It's in stock again.  Looks like they found some more.  Better get 'em quick!


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Re: Refurb Epson 2000 Lumen WXGA 16:10 Projectors - $199 & Free Shipping!!
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2013, 01:35:59 pm »

Mine just showed up, so I had to plug it in quick to take a look.    It looks like new and the lamp hours counter showed zero, but they could have reset it.  Crazy aspheric lens on the thing, huge, bright picture, a bit of curvature distortion at the top likely due to the lens design.  Might be able to fix this, but I don't know yet.  You will need to place this very near the floor or ceiling.  Very large images will need very tall walls, but not as tall as the 450 design.  The crazy thing about it is the size and brightness of the image from just a couple feet away.  Perfect for a standalone, projection based cockpit a few feet from the screen.    Add a motion base to the whole thing and it would be crazy cool.

I haven't hooked up a source to it yet, but for the price, I'm very impressed.  It's a perfectly portable-sized unit for gaming parties, movie night, etc.  I'll post more once I have a chance to run some different sources through it, but I'd be comfortable recommending that anyone who isn't bothered by the mounting and distance constraints grab one of these while they are still available.  A bright, 6'++ diagonal image for $200....how can you go wrong? :)

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Re: Refurb Epson 2000 Lumen WXGA 16:10 Projectors - $199 & Free Shipping!!
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2013, 01:43:50 pm »
Nice Randy, I'm glad you grabbed one and you're happy with it, I have two en-route. Can you do me a favor and see how close you can get to the wall while still holding sharp focus, can't wait to start experiementing with these in the Pandora cabinet.
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Re: Refurb Epson 2000 Lumen WXGA 16:10 Projectors - $199 & Free Shipping!!
« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2013, 06:07:15 pm »
Think the response time on these will be good enough for games, though?  Granted that's not an issue for displaying a marquee or side art.  Just wondering if you could rear (under) project a pinball table with it...

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Re: Refurb Epson 2000 Lumen WXGA 16:10 Projectors - $199 & Free Shipping!!
« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2013, 05:03:44 am »
Looks like the minimum distance is 11.5 to 12 inches.  It's so bright at that distance that it's difficult to tell where exactly perfect focus is.  As with most projectors, the menus seem to outshine content for brightness. 

So far, I have tried a DVD player with S-video and a laptop at native resolution through one of the VGA ports.  The scaler is pretty decent, so standard def is soft, but watchable.  With projectors, the quality of the content makes a big difference, so the best standard def results will be with a minimally compressed DVD.  Animated content looks very good.   Laptop testing was limited to the basic desktop screen with Netflix for the HD.  I first checked out an episode of "House of Cards" and it seemed a bit dreary.  I'll get to why in a bit.  Then I checked out "The Lorax" and it was very nice, sharp, bright and colorful.

I haven't tried gaming on it yet, but that will be next.  So far, I can say that it's a great value, but don't expect it to compete with units costing 10x as much.  It has many of the same issues as most projectors in the range, as well as a couple extra which are related to the lens geometry.  My testing was at about 12' diagonal, so image intensity will be better at smaller sizes.  But even at that size, it is quite acceptable in a room with subdued lighting.  Blacks, particularly surrounding the image, are not very dark.  If this bothers you, then you might want to frame the image with something which doesn't reflect well.  Reds seem a bit weak, Blues are decent, and Greens are strong.  This is pretty standard for a projector in this range.  The good news is that there are advanced color adjustments which let you tune the primaries and color temperature, so it can be tweaked very nicely.  There is also a "color mode" setting, but I found that "dynamic", which is the default, was really the best option.  Dark content seems a bit muddy, due to the lower contrast.  Content with a lot of these types of scenes may not be especially appealing, but it's certainly viewable.  The speaker would probably be fine for classic arcade games, but don't expect much from it.  It might be ok in a small room, or if you are close to the unit, but it's not "loud" as described by some.  The remote is very low-end, with small buttons laid out in calculator format.  Very difficult to navigate menus, especially in a darkened room.  There are also a few extras, like freeze frame and digital zoom, as well as the ability to grab a frame of video as the boot screen.

Even with the faults inherent to range, it's still a very nice little unit.  As a first projector, for use in a smaller room or for a specific application, you won't find better for the price.  I have seen this unit referred to in a "projectors for gaming" roundup, and there were no mentions about any serious lag.  The author of the article stated that it was important to minimize image processing for all of the units he tested, so I expect that there won't be much of a lag issue running at native resolution.

Don't take my criticisms too seriously, as I am spoiled by the PT-AE4000 hanging in the room.  It really is a nice little unit, and much better than the one I paid $2k for about 7 years ago.

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....out of stock again.....
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Re: Refurb Epson 2000 Lumen WXGA 16:10 Projectors - $199 & Free Shipping!!
« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2013, 09:53:59 am »
Thanks Randy, nice review.

Yeah I have an Optoma 1080p DLP in the man cave so I certainly don't expect this to live up to that standard. This unit is certainly designed for office and classroom use but that also makes it a decent little beater for gaming too.

Wow if this holds focus as close as 12" then I'm home free on the video walls for the cabinet, I was concerned about how close I could get this thing before focus was lost. I'm going to fire these against the back of the screen surface from old Sony 60" protection TVs, bouncing it off a first surface mirror if I have to for the throw length.

Sounds like these are going to be perfect for my mutant needs
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Re: Refurb Epson 2000 Lumen WXGA 16:10 Projectors - $199 & Free Shipping!!
« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2013, 11:06:44 am »
So how big of a screen can I get without losing to much quality of the image?
         

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So how big of a screen can I get without losing to much quality of the image?

That's a bit if a vague question but assuming you are putting a quality picture in - say 720p or above from computer or bluray and use either the VGA or component inputs then I'm sure you could go at least 100" and be happy. The amount of light you have in the room will effect the image quality more than any other factor. Remember these are 'display' projectors not home theater/movie projectors, don't get me wrong they will give you astounding bang for your buck and movies will look awesome, just don't expect 6500k white levels and 100,000:1 contrast ratios.

Put a black cloth border around your projection area for extra visual punch, or make yourself a screen out of light grey spandex or curtain blackout cloth stretched across a wood frame. Here's a link to Carl's place where they show you how to build an awesome DIY screen that looks professional for less than $100.

http://www.carlofet.com/build-your-own-projector-screen/

He has all the materials available for sale on his site, I got all my gear from him and made a fantastic screen for my man cave in about an hour. When people see it with a movie or sports playing they are absolutely blown away by it.
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Re: Refurb Epson 2000 Lumen WXGA 16:10 Projectors - $199 & Free Shipping!!
« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2013, 12:25:14 pm »
Sorry for being vague, I am at work, in between stops delivering beer.
         

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Re: Refurb Epson 2000 Lumen WXGA 16:10 Projectors - $199 & Free Shipping!!
« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2013, 12:39:47 pm »
Sorry for being vague, I am at work, in between stops delivering beer.

No problems man, just drop by my house on your route  ;D.
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So how big of a screen can I get without losing to much quality of the image?

That's a bit if a vague question but assuming you are putting a quality picture in - say 720p or above from computer or bluray and use either the VGA or component inputs then I'm sure you could go at least 100" and be happy. The amount of light you have in the room will effect the image quality more than any other factor. Remember these are 'display' projectors not home theater/movie projectors, don't get me wrong they will give you astounding bang for your buck and movies will look awesome, just don't expect 6500k white levels and 100,000:1 contrast ratios.

Put a black cloth border around your projection area for extra visual punch, or make yourself a screen out of light grey spandex or curtain blackout cloth stretched across a wood frame. Here's a link to Carl's place where they show you how to build an awesome DIY screen that looks professional for less than $100.

http://www.carlofet.com/build-your-own-projector-screen/

He has all the materials available for sale on his site, I got all my gear from him and made a fantastic screen for my man cave in about an hour. When people see it with a movie or sports playing they are absolutely blown away by it.

This will be my first projector. For the price, I'm not expecting much. This is going to take the place of the DIY projector I was going to build. As long as the family and I can watch movies and play games on it. That is good enough for me. When it comes to the screen, I was looking at a retractable one. I live in a townhouse, so I cant have a fixed screen until we get a house. For the mean time, what kind of screen do you suggest?
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http://www.carlofet.com/build-your-own-projector-screen/

He has all the materials available for sale on his site, I got all my gear from him and made a fantastic screen for my man cave in about an hour. When people see it with a movie or sports playing they are absolutely blown away by it.

Our current conference room used to be the dining room of the 120 year old 4-story hotel that is GroovyGameGear's new home.  On one end, there was a framed, old and beat up digital print, which was ~16:10 format, and large enough for a 16' diagonal 16:9 image.  I used the curtain backing material mentioned above to turn this fixed frame into a projection screen.  If anyone has any doubts about that material, they shouldn't.  Great reflectivity, no shiny spots, stretches nicely, and it seems quite durable.  I don't know if I would let the sun beat on it for too long, but we've been careful around it and over a year later, it still looks as good as the day I installed it.  The best part is the price.  There's no need to pay the crazy prices for the "pro" material when this works so well.

So how big of a screen can I get without losing to much quality of the image?

My first question in response to this is "How big do you want it?"  I was testing the unit with a 12' diagonal section of my screen, and even watched a whole movie.  I don't think I ever cursed it for any issues while watching, so that's probably a good indicator.  Anything below that, in a room with subdued lighting, and I'm sure you will be happy.  Keep in mind also that LCD technology has what is known as the "screen door" effect.  All those little LCD pixels have a small black space between them  The larger the screen, and the closer you are to it, the more apparent they become.  The projector can focus an image about 30' wide, but this effect becomes very apparent at that size.


This will be my first projector. For the price, I'm not expecting much. This is going to take the place of the DIY projector I was going to build. As long as the family and I can watch movies and play games on it. That is good enough for me. When it comes to the screen, I was looking at a retractable one. I live in a townhouse, so I cant have a fixed screen until we get a house. For the mean time, what kind of screen do you   suggest?

My first one was 23 years ago.  It was a wooden box with an overdriven 13" TV, a mirror and a projector lens.  The "screen" was a piece of painted masonite.  I wish my first one was as nice as this unit.  :lol

The family will love it, once you get it tweaked in.  The only hurdle you have in front of you is the screen.  Retractable screens are nice, but large ones tend to be seamed (it usually isn't too noticeable).  The biggest issue is cost.  The one I used to use cost $100 more than this projector does, and that was the "budget" offering.  If that's out of your range, I suggest that you look at building your own, with the material discussed above.  The important parts are the weighted bottom, and smooth take-up roller so it hangs flat and doesn't wrinkle when rolled up.  A small gear motor and 2-way switch would probably be easier to put together than a manual roll-up mechanism.

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Re: Refurb Epson 2000 Lumen WXGA 16:10 Projectors - $199 & Free Shipping!!
« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2013, 07:16:49 pm »
Mine arrived today and I am very impressed with the saturation and brightness, they really are strong little light cannons.

I'm struggling to get the projector to use the whole field for the image though. Every resolution I send through VGA seems to float within a black border. As a result there's no way I could get 60” from 24" as advertised. Anyone else managed to get the full picture filled? I've tried all the aspect settings but it seems to top out at a 4:3 image at max height rather than 16:10
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Re: Refurb Epson 2000 Lumen WXGA 16:10 Projectors - $199 & Free Shipping!!
« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2013, 07:45:34 pm »
Mine arrived today and I am very impressed with the saturation and brightness, they really are strong little light cannons.

I'm struggling to get the projector to use the whole field for the image though. Every resolution I send through VGA seems to float within a black border. As a result there's no way I could get 60” from 24" as advertised. Anyone else managed to get the full picture filled? I've tried all the aspect settings but it seems to top out at a 4:3 image at max height rather than 16:10

What resolutions have you tried?  I think the only way to use the entire field would be to output the 1280x800 native resolution, and select the "through" aspect.  Even that may be processed for keystone correction, but the dimensions should stay the same.  16:9 aspect content, using the "full" aspect, seemed to fill the frame for me, but it was through S-video at the time.  I'll have to look again to see for sure.

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Re: Refurb Epson 2000 Lumen WXGA 16:10 Projectors - $199 & Free Shipping!!
« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2013, 09:28:33 pm »
This is a 16:10 projector, what will happen if I use a 16:9 screen?
         

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Re: Refurb Epson 2000 Lumen WXGA 16:10 Projectors - $199 & Free Shipping!!
« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2013, 10:41:39 pm »
Just a little cropping top and bottom brian

Worked out the image issue. On the unit itself there are separate wide and telephoto buttons, punched it all the way out to wide and now its using the full projection area.
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Re: Refurb Epson 2000 Lumen WXGA 16:10 Projectors - $199 & Free Shipping!!
« Reply #29 on: March 07, 2013, 05:23:29 pm »
Just wanted to note that the Chinese have entered the projection screen market since I purchased mine.   There are some very good prices on 120" 16:9 screens on ebay, and they are motorized with a remote.

Here's one which claims to ship from the US and is very reasonable.  Offers both beaded and matte white as an option.  This particular projector would probably work well with a beaded screen, considering the angles, and increase the brightness.

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Re: Refurb Epson 2000 Lumen WXGA 16:10 Projectors - $199 & Free Shipping!!
« Reply #30 on: March 07, 2013, 05:52:08 pm »
Thanks a lot Randy!

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Re: Refurb Epson 2000 Lumen WXGA 16:10 Projectors - $199 & Free Shipping!!
« Reply #31 on: March 08, 2013, 01:54:22 am »
Thanks a lot Randy!

Before you rush off and buy one of these, figure out where you will be putting the projector.  If you run it low (on the floor or low coffee table) the glass beaded version will probably be good.  If you put it on the ceiling, you probably won't get the benefit, as the beads tend to reflect the light back to the source.  Too straight on, which you can't do with these projectors anyway, but thought I would add for anyone else considering this, and you will get "hot spots".

In short, if you put the projector on the ceiling, go for the matte white.

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Re: Refurb Epson 2000 Lumen WXGA 16:10 Projectors - $199 & Free Shipping!!
« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2013, 07:21:39 pm »
I got mine today  :cheers: Yeah, I was planning on mounting it on the ceiling.
         

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Re: Refurb Epson 2000 Lumen WXGA 16:10 Projectors - $199 & Free Shipping!!
« Reply #33 on: March 11, 2013, 02:30:17 pm »
I have to say, with just shooting it at the wall. Im pretty happy with it. Just ordered a ceiling mount and 100" screen today!
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Re: Refurb Epson 2000 Lumen WXGA 16:10 Projectors - $199 & Free Shipping!!
« Reply #34 on: March 11, 2013, 04:07:21 pm »
I have to say, with just shooting it at the way. Im pretty happy with it. Just ordered a ceiling mount and 100" screen today!

That's great Brian I figured you'd be happy with it, I'm happy with the two I got, I'll be putting them to some creative use.
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Re: Refurb Epson 2000 Lumen WXGA 16:10 Projectors - $199 & Free Shipping!!
« Reply #35 on: March 11, 2013, 10:51:26 pm »
I have to say, with just shooting it at the way. Im pretty happy with it. Just ordered a ceiling mount and 100" screen today!

That's great Brian I figured you'd be happy with it, I'm happy with the two I got, I'll be putting them to some creative use.

I have been watching the thread for your pinball machine you are building. Very impressive, wish I had the skills to pull stuff like that off. Not to mention the $$ lol.
         

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Re: Refurb Epson 2000 Lumen WXGA 16:10 Projectors - $199 & Free Shipping!!
« Reply #36 on: March 18, 2013, 10:10:36 pm »
Got my projector and screen mounted. Here are some screen shots.

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Re: Refurb Epson 2000 Lumen WXGA 16:10 Projectors - $199 & Free Shipping!!
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Re: Refurb Epson 2000 Lumen WXGA 16:10 Projectors - $199 & Free Shipping!!
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Re: Refurb Epson 2000 Lumen WXGA 16:10 Projectors - $199 & Free Shipping!!
« Reply #39 on: March 18, 2013, 10:18:57 pm »
 :)  Very nice!  Looks like you have it tweaked in.  What type of screen did you end up using?

BTW, Is the keystone effect due to the angle at which you took the photo?  If not, you need to adjust that setting.
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