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Aim Trak guns with MAME & other Emulators
« on: November 07, 2012, 07:46:09 am »
In the past I tried using the guncon2mouse (and another similar project, the name escapes me now) for MAME & console emulation. I had an issue where the guns were quite off, they would not calibrate well, nor would the PC recognize them as it should. I wasn't sure if this was a software limitation, or perhaps the actual guns.
I tried locally to get another pair of guns, thinking perhaps the pair I had were possibly faulty but they are not easy to find.
Fast forward.............I couldn't find another pair of guns................so I've picked up a pair of Aim Trak modules to house in the GunCon2.

I've done lots of reading and a ton of info exists. Many different opinios, mixed results, etc.
I thought I would come on here and ask the experts about what they have found to work the best. I'd like to use the Aim Trak guns with MAME and other emulators if possible.

Any info anyone can share would be great.
Emulators with good light gun support ?
Tools to use such as the Troubleshooter patch ?
etc etc etc

Thanks all

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« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2012, 03:11:09 pm »
Depends totaly on what you want. I'm using 3 aimtrak guns - two in the Namco guns (Pink/Blue from the arcades) and one Carnevil Shotgun.


I run Troubleshooter for the PC version of HOTD 2 because Demul can't handle two player lightguns -> works with HOTD3 as well. I'm using mostly mame but also Model 2 (only singleplayer possible atm, Virtua Cop 1/2, HOTD 1 etc.), Demul for Confidential Mission etc., PCSXR with plugins for Time Crisis 1/Project Titan and Model 3 for Jurassic Park which actually works with 2 light guns.

Setting everything up can be a PITA and the aimtrak relies on the position of the player and the way they aim. Has it's pros and cons.

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Re: Aim Trak guns with MAME & other Emulators
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2012, 05:48:31 pm »
I guess simply put (or not so simple) I'd like to have as many gun games supported as I could.
Regardless of emulator, system, etc.
I know I've read many issues with off screen reload and game minimizing during play.
With this MAME machine set up in my house for everyone to play I suspect the gun games will be a huge hit.
I'd like it where things just work !
I know I saw some fixes that I DL for Model 2.......the info escapes me now, but I'll post the thread shortly.
And it seems the Troubleshooter is worth an install also.

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« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2012, 07:15:30 pm »
The m2 emulator works great with the offscreen reload "hack"!

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Re: Aim Trak guns with MAME & other Emulators
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2012, 11:16:52 am »
Note that I play with crosshairs on so I can't vouch for how well AimTrak works with them turned off on any of these.  I've had success with the following emulators:

MAME (Arcade)
SNES9X (Super Nintendo)
FCEU Ultra (NES)
Sega Model 2 (Arcade)
Demul (Arcade)
FreezeSMS (Sega Master System)

I've certainly heard success stories about Playstation and will eventually check it out. I've been on the lookout for Commodore 64 and Sega Genesis emulators that work with Aimtrak but I haven't been successful yet.  There's a link in my signature with most of the working games on the above emulators and some PC games as well.

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« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2012, 04:33:26 am »
Psx is no problem with pcxr and juvee's light gun plugin. I play time crisis that way.

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Re: Aim Trak guns with MAME & other Emulators
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2012, 07:51:00 am »
Sweet, thanks for the info on PSX.
I actually am yet to install that EMU on my PC set up, but was thinking about it.
I think I passed on it as I'm told the controls are hard to configure.
(Granted, I've done little to NONE (read NONE) when it comes to homework)

Some good gun games do exist on the PS1 so I think I'lol need to do the install and get that plug in all set up.

I have a pair of Aim Trak modules and a pair of GunCon2. Plan always was gut the GunCon and install the Aim Trak modules. Then I found GunCon 2 Mouse, which granted didn't work flawless on my set up. I've looked for a 2nd set of GunCon....but no luck.
I decided I would just buy the Aim Trak shells from Ultiarc, sadly, the shells he sells now are not suitable for my old Aim Trak. This sucks ! Progress is a lil stalled.

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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2012, 08:56:20 am »
It's really easy with the plugin. If you have any questions about setting it up just let me know.

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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2012, 01:24:04 pm »
Sweet, thanks

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Re: Aim Trak guns with MAME & other Emulators
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2013, 11:44:59 am »
Bumping up an old thread here.....................

Locally I was able to track down a brand new pair of original GunCons.
Really excited to finally get my hands on these, they were not easy to come across.
$15 for the pair, thanks to by buddy Silvereagle over on KLOV for picking these up for me.
Plan now is to house my Aim Trak modules inside the GunCons and get everything set up.
Kinda excited because I like the fact that the GunCons are grey, I've read mixed reviews on painting the GunCon2.
I think the grey will work better with my red Mario Bros cabinet.

Anyway with that said as I now plan to move forward preparing the PC I realize that I've forgot sooo much.
Here are some links to videos I made of my past project. This was going to be a Virtua Cop 2 cabinet with dual Aim Traks.
The PC itself was all gun games, from NES to Dreamcast to PC.






Anyway now I have my best PC set up to date. MAME with custom MaLa menu, and console emulation.
All that is left to make this my "ULTIMATE" set up is get the gun stuff working properly.
I've had lots of issues with Dreamcast emulation in the past, games not launching, not closing, but I'm not going to worry about that now.
What I do want to make sure is that I have all my basics done.

Here is what I plan on including, if I'm missing anything please let me know.

Sega Model 2 Emulator Full Screen SHooter fix by RamjetR

Troubleshooter PC patch (for PC games)
- HOTD 2 & 3 PC versions

Psx is no problem with pcxr and juvee's light gun plugin



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Re: Aim Trak guns with MAME & other Emulators
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2013, 07:37:05 am »
Thank you to my buddy Sergio, I picked up two original GunCon's.
Found them locally on Kijiji and he picked them up for me.
Now I just need to get the Aim Trak units installed into these and begin the configuration.

I'm yet to start on the PC side of this project, but look forward to doing that soon.

Thanks all for the help.

PS - any light gun tips and tricks, thoughts, ideas, please share.

Whats your favorite light gun game ?

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Re: Aim Trak guns with MAME & other Emulators
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2013, 08:55:24 am »
Thank you to my buddy Sergio, I picked up two original GunCon's.
Found them locally on Kijiji and he picked them up for me.
Now I just need to get the Aim Trak units installed into these and begin the configuration.

I'm yet to start on the PC side of this project, but look forward to doing that soon.

Thanks all for the help.

PS - any light gun tips and tricks, thoughts, ideas, please share.

Whats your favorite light gun game ?

Search the main forum.  There are a bunch of threads there, including videos of all the games.
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,119925.msg1270988.html#msg1270988
Check out DarthMarino's videos.
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Re: Aim Trak guns with MAME & other Emulators
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2013, 09:00:21 am »
Well I can tell you NOT to track down a copy of Ed Hunter.  When working on the pc games for the new troubleshooter I realized that it was the only pc game not supported, so I downloaded it.  Even if you like Iron Maiden (which I do), the game is terrible.

I felt like Jesus dying for humanity's sins.  I played it so you don't have to.   :angel:

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Re: Aim Trak guns with MAME & other Emulators
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2013, 07:53:30 am »
Thanks all !
Looks like I have more reading to do.
I want to utilize the guns as best I can.
The most games, the most emulators, etc.

Just need to find a list of emulators that support light gun games.

On topic, random question, is PS1 emulator easy to set up and configure ? I know it has issues using the standard iPac key codes.... but I just wanna use gun games.

Also, does KEGA FUSION support lightgun now ? I looked on the site I found but could not find a feature list. Looking online I see nothing, an old thread here says it has a "Lightgun check box" but was not yet implimented. Anything on this ?
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« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2013, 04:51:04 pm »
Pcsx is a breath to setup... really easy.

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Re: Aim Trak guns with MAME & other Emulators
« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2013, 06:24:28 pm »
Great, thank you.
Going to start this on the weekend.
Does anybody know about Fusion and light gun support ?
I can't find info online.

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« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2013, 07:44:19 pm »
Great, thank you.
Going to start this on the weekend.
Does anybody know about Fusion and light gun support ?
I can't find info online.

The games work with a regular mouse on KEGA (use F12 to capture it) however I had no luck with my Aimtraks.


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Re: Aim Trak guns with MAME & other Emulators
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2013, 07:58:18 pm »
Thanks DarthMarino.

The link BadMouth posted was awesome, some great info.
I want to try and compile a list of games I'd like.
I think the PS1 has some cool gun games, so that rocks that PS1 emulation works with light gun support.
Want to figure out what PC games I want.

I'll need to figure out what emulators to install and configure that support light guns.

Thanks all

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« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2013, 01:12:33 am »
I have psx setup as 2 different emulators. One that I can play with joys and one for light gun games. I have Wii setup as well like this. One of the problems with the Wii is setting up player 2. Dolphin sees both aim-traks as the same device. I have also been trying to setup pcsx2 for light gun games.
         

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« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2013, 09:08:02 am »
I'm ok when it comes to working on PC's and basic stuff, when it gets more advanced I'm lost.
In recent projects I often get stuck at the advance configuration level.
So situations where I need to remap joysticks, etc, often pose big problems for me.

Ideal situation would be multiple emulators that all match the iPac (MAME) default key codes, however PS1 emulation I know doesn't, neither does NullDC, and I believe the same is true of Project 64. (not that they don't match, but certain keys used by the iPac can't be used)

I like sticking with what I know (as limited as that may be). Like Brian74 I was actually thinking of using different emulators for the same console, namely for Sega as I like Fusion but it has no light gun support.

With Fusion I can exit with ESC, I get it to load full screen, and I believe I easily mapped my keys. I'm thinking that I should use another Sega emulator for Gun Games. I can simply copy of the gun games to one folder and for that emulator simply point it to that folder, this way only the gun games come up.

Lastly I found this tutorial for installing Aim Traks into original GunCon's. Like the idea of using some additional joystick cherry switches (real arcade switches) that I have on hand.

http://jaswin.net/mame/installing-aimtrak-into-a-guncon-case/

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« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2013, 01:21:12 pm »
Changing button configuration is the most basic thing in emulation and is usually done in a minute. Get at least into the basics. Its really no science.

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« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2013, 01:26:27 pm »
You'll also get into trouble with Ipacs default keys and some emulators like demul since they really don't like keys like alt, space or ctrl.

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« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2013, 01:56:46 pm »
That's my issue, keys like ALT & CNTRL for example cause the issues.
So for NullDC my control panel is 2 player, 6 buttons per side, plus 2 start buttons.
I also have a credit button wired.

But I'm unable to fully configure based on the issues. I'm looking into some options suggested by Howard Casto, PPJOY or something.
I've just been so busy I haven't read much.

I think I first want to make a sheet to record my issues, then go in and fix it all at one time.

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« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2013, 06:41:07 pm »
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Note that I play with crosshairs on so I can't vouch for how well AimTrak works with them turned off on any of these.  I've had success with the following emulators:

 Playing a gun game with crosshairs, is like shooting fish in a barrel.  Of sparring a guy whos feet and hands are tied...

 Wheres the challenge??!!

 The entire point of a lightgun, is for skill in your ability to judge your aim, without any scope, laser sight, etc.

 The only exception, are games like T2, in which its a positional gun, and a quarter muncher.  No accuracy required.
I dont even consider House of the Dead worth playing, let alone a game at all.  These are just interactive movies, again, no skill required.

 I realize there are few options available.  But you wont catch me playing Shooting Gallery for the SMS (maybe one of the best light gun games ever made) with an Aimtrack, using a crosshair.  Thats a sad joke.


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« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2013, 07:08:31 pm »
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Note that I play with crosshairs on so I can't vouch for how well AimTrak works with them turned off on any of these.  I've had success with the following emulators:

 Playing a gun game with crosshairs, is like shooting fish in a barrel.  Of sparring a guy whos feet and hands are tied...

 Wheres the challenge??!!

 The entire point of a lightgun, is for skill in your ability to judge your aim, without any scope, laser sight, etc.

 The only exception, are games like T2, in which its a positional gun, and a quarter muncher.  No accuracy required.
I dont even consider House of the Dead worth playing, let alone a game at all.  These are just interactive movies, again, no skill required.

 I realize there are few options available.  But you wont catch me playing Shooting Gallery for the SMS (maybe one of the best light gun games ever made) with an Aimtrack, using a crosshair.  Thats a sad joke.

You don't use the guns sights to line up your shot? You just shoot wild west style from your hip? Sorry if I'm not as skilled as you. I need something to line the gun up.  I'd be lying if I said I found lining up using the sights on something like the NES Zapper any more challenging than using crosshairs on an emulator. I still need to quickly line up my shots and that is where I find the challenge.

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Re: Aim Trak guns with MAME & other Emulators
« Reply #25 on: February 20, 2013, 08:15:36 am »
Thanks again all for the info.
I think I have a really good idea of what I should do, what emulators, add-on's to use, etc.
Above I had posted the videos of an older PC I was working on with a custom MaLa menu for shooters. I had run into issues using GUNCON2MOUSE (and another similar tool, name still escapes me). I parked the project and the PC has been in the closet since.

However with my new GUNCON shells and Aim Traks sitting in the box still after one year I'd like to wrap this up. I'm leaning towards pulling the old PC out of storage and making the changes to it as I have the ground work done.

I think now with MaLa you can also use multiple set ups (if I'm not mistaken), so that is something I can look into later.

Thanks again all

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« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2013, 07:33:15 pm »
Downloaded FreezeSMS, thanks for the steer.
HOPING (fingers crossed) to get some major PC work in this weekend.
Keep meaning to take apart these GunCon's.

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« Reply #27 on: February 22, 2013, 06:28:25 pm »
Finally started to break down the GunCon's................ long time coming.
Opinion question, is it worth hooking up both the A & B button to the Aim Trak or just the A button and trigger ?

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Re: Aim Trak guns with MAME & other Emulators
« Reply #28 on: February 22, 2013, 07:14:33 pm »
I don't have an aimtrack, but I'm saying if you have an extra button, you should use it.  Some games will have calibration, ect... you might need it. 

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« Reply #29 on: February 22, 2013, 11:23:03 pm »
Good point.
I think I'll go pick up the 30AWG wire tomorrow.
If I'm lucky complete these for Sunday.

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« Reply #30 on: February 23, 2013, 12:34:35 am »
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You don't use the guns sights to line up your shot? You just shoot wild west style from your hip? Sorry if I'm not as skilled as you. I need something to line the gun up.  I'd be lying if I said I found lining up using the sights on something like the NES Zapper any more challenging than using crosshairs on an emulator. I still need to quickly line up my shots and that is where I find the challenge.

 Neither.

 Hold your arm fully outstretched, and point.. as if its an extension of your finger.  You can use the other hand, grasping the arm or wrist, to help keep the gun still, as well as prevent fatigue.   IE: Police style.

 In most situations, a police officer doesnt have time to line up shots in sights.  In gun games, you dont have that time either... especially on a game like shooting gallery, where 6 or more fast moving targets are flying by.

 Like any skill, its a thing that practice will improve.

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Re: Aim Trak guns with MAME & other Emulators
« Reply #31 on: March 01, 2013, 10:15:49 am »
I have older Aim Traks, actually had them for about 2 years in the box.
When I picked up the GunCon 2 I wanted to use GunCon 2 Mouse, thought if that worked it would be a great alternnative........ anyway, didn't work, blah blah blah, I WASTED MAJOR TIME !

So now I have my pair of GunCon 1 which I think are better, trigger plus 2 buttons, PERFECT !
Gotta say however having the older Aim Trak I'll need to solder on my second button connection. I'll pick up some 30AWG wire this weekend........my solder skills aint that good.
I'm nervous trying to solder on such a small area.

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« Reply #32 on: March 01, 2013, 07:54:49 pm »
Don't be scared. Fear makes you shivering ;) It's really not that hard. Don't fry the pcb and you're fine!

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« Reply #33 on: March 01, 2013, 09:26:42 pm »
What helps me is a digital soldering iron with adjustable temp. 

Making it physically impossible for the Iron to melt the pcb helps.  ;)

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« Reply #34 on: March 08, 2013, 08:25:32 am »
iep i think genplus gx ( the win32 port) supports lightguns, but only in windowed mode, and it isnt resizable. Its a shame because this emu suppors sms gen and mega cd.
For the c64, Vice.
And Javagx4000 also supports aimtraks.
actually i own two ps2 guncon2 (not namco), dont like ir guns.

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Re: Aim Trak guns with MAME & other Emulators
« Reply #35 on: August 19, 2013, 12:15:24 pm »
BUMP! digging out the old PC and getting this back on track.
Can anybody suggest good PC light gun based games ?

Good list of emulators was posted in this thread prior as well as tools like :
TROUBLE SHOOTER 1
TROUBLE SHOOTER 2
THE M2 FULL SCREEN FIX

again if anything else is missed please share the info, tips, tricks.

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Re: Aim Trak guns with MAME & other Emulators
« Reply #36 on: August 19, 2013, 12:21:16 pm »
Get all the Digital Leisure versions of the American Laser Games on DVD. Use Daphne Singe to run them.
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Re: Aim Trak guns with MAME & other Emulators
« Reply #37 on: August 20, 2013, 08:49:36 am »
Thanks!
I look forward to getting this project in order.

Unrelated question that perhaps someone can answer for me.
I have a Hyperspin set up (hard drive image) that I am yet to use.
It has EVERYTHING on it.
Does Hyperspin (like MaLa) allow me to create lists ?
For exmaple in MaLa I can create custom lists of gun games only.
I'd like to perhaps use ROMlister to create Hypserspin lists of gun games for the various emulators.

Thanks

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Re: Aim Trak guns with MAME & other Emulators
« Reply #38 on: August 20, 2013, 05:59:04 pm »
Yes it does, You can create a custom wheel and add roms from individual systems to create a virtual system AKA Gun Games, this is what I'm working on right now but I'm having major issues with my recoils.

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Re: Aim Trak guns with MAME & other Emulators
« Reply #39 on: August 26, 2013, 07:29:20 pm »
Get all the Digital Leisure versions of the American Laser Games on DVD. Use Daphne Singe to run them.

I guess Daphne is better than running this in MAME itself.
I think these ROMS exist in the full set.