How I dumped 30 lbs in three weeks

[javeryh]

I killed it this morning.  45 minutes of Insanity followed by a 30 minute run followed by 20 minutes of light weightlifting.  I was a sweaty mess.  If I could just get my diet under control I'd be OK but who has time to actually go food shopping and cook dinner all week?  Ugh.

Anyone know of any good things to snack on during the day?  Nuts are out because I'll eat too many.

[HaRuMaN]

Nuts are out because I'll eat too many.

You know how I know you're...

Nevermind...   

[ChadTower]

NUTS:  Crunch all you want, we'll make more!

[stu33]

I killed it this morning.  45 minutes of Insanity followed by a 30 minute run followed by 20 minutes of light weightlifting.  I was a sweaty mess.  If I could just get my diet under control I'd be OK but who has time to actually go food shopping and cook dinner all week?  Ugh.

Anyone know of any good things to snack on during the day?  Nuts are out because I'll eat too many.

That is awesome, man.  Great job.

I snack on clif bars during the day.  Their granola bars especially are damn good, but a total and complete mess.  I used to keep sunflower seeds at my desk, but I ate way too many of those each time.

[lordnacho]

Don't rule out nuts cause of that.  Set aside a portion before, don't eat directly out of a bag.  Dump some on a napkin on your desk, then put the bag away.  If you get the bag back out, punch yourself in (uhh what you are eating)

[ChadTower]

Seriously.  Don't eat nuts directly out of the bag.  Use a napkin. 


And if you take the bag back out for more, punch yourself.






 

[lordnacho]

Uhh, salty nuts are the worst nuts

[javeryh]

Nut jokes never get old.   

[shmokes]

I do the warrior diet for the most part, which is basically skip breakfast, skip lunch, eat absolutely as much of whatever you feel like for dinner. I love it. Raw fruits and veggies during the day if  need to take the edge off the hunger. I also have a bit of dark chocolate during the day, which is surely against the rules, but one can't be too inflexible.

Javery, have you tried just snacking on cherry tomatoes, carrots, grapes, berries? One nice thing about those is you can hardly make an accidental full meal out of them cos your body pretty much burns them up as soon as they're swallowed.

[Xiaou2]

ark, just be careful on what you eat, make sure you're getting the nutrients your body needs and continue to exercise.

xiaou2, who are you arguing with? who cares about the fat little girl? didnt you sell the mom the snack for the girl? dont you reserve the right to refuse service to any customer? You are part of the problem.

 My job was to sell Ice Cream and Yogurt.   I had no authority to tell someone they couldn't eat the 28oz take-home container in one setting.   But I WAS offended, and Really wanted to tell the mother off.   I wasn't however, going to lose my job over it.

 The argument here isnt about distribution.  Its about stupidity and ignorance:

 

Cream cheese is a good alternative for desserts.

 

 REALLY?!!!?!!!    Come on man, get Real.    A LUMP of FAT, is supposed to be better for you than a bowl of fruit?!   Your OUT OF YOUR MIND!

 1oz of Cream Cheese:

 83 Calories.   (72 calories from FAT)
 Cholesterol = 216mg  (71%  !!!!!!!!)
 Total Fat = 8 grams    (12%)
 Sat Fat = 5 grams      (25%!!! )
 Carbs = 1g  (from sugar)
 
 Now, a single OZ of cream cheeze, is probably like 2 crackers worth of topping.  Im guessing you eat way more than that.
Your probably eating a 4oz glob of it, and getting 100% maximum DV of Saturated fat in one setting,  and a heart seizing 284% of Cholesterol   !!!)

 
 1oz  Raw Carrot

 Calories = 11
 Fat = 0g
 Carbs = 3g   (Fiber =   2g,  Sugar = 1g)
  Vit.A = 94%,   Vit.C=3%,   Calcium 1%

 
 1oz  Raw Strawberries

 Calories = 9
 Fat = 0g
 Carbs = 2g   (Fiber =   1g,  Sugar = 1g)
 Vit.C=27%,   Calcium 1%

 (there are far more vitamins actually.  You can see the complete list here:  http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/fruits-and-fruit-juices/2064/2)


 Sorry, but you are not going to tell me that eating Cream Cheese is Healthier than some sugars.  Especially if that Sugar is balanced with nutrients, and fiber, which the body needs.   And that the Cholesterol and high fat content, are somehow better for you, than the natural sugar, and natural carbs.    Sorry.. but again, your understanding of Health and Weight Loss is wrong.

 All your bragging is pathetic.   You will go off Atkins, and gain all your mass back again... just like the last time.   And in the process... you are clogging up all your arteries, and doing irreparable health damages in the process.   Your starving the body of its proper nutrients... and so damages will not be repaired.  Cells overall health will eventually decline, and could turn serious.   You will thus then look and feel much older, due to accelerated aging from the nutrient starvation damages.

 You need to learn common sense.  Read up on the actual nutritional values and compare them to realistic serving sizes.  Read up on the dangers of Saturated Fats, Man Made fats/oils.

 Learn that some carbs and sugars, are well more beneficial, than high-fat foods.

 One has to wonder... if what you really like, is the Attention that rapid loss gives you.
Or the Attention, on the forums.  And or maybe you like to think your some kind of rebel..  Ticking people off
and or getting a rise out of them,  to try to get a rise out of yourself.

 I could care less about your recklessness... but I dont think such reckless and ignorant things, should be
promoted to others.

[Malenko]

My job was to sell Ice Cream and Yogurt.   I had no authority to tell someone they couldn't eat the 28oz take-home container in one setting.   But I WAS offended, and Really wanted to tell the mother off.   I wasn't however, going to lose my job over it.

 The argument here isnt about distribution.  Its about stupidity and ignorance:

You did have the authority to not sell it to her, you chose to sell it. I think the"argument" is about apathy not ignorance. I digress. You never read what other people post and try to see it from their side. I completely understand you didn't want to lose your job over some fat ---smurfing--- kid going to moo town on the treats you were slinging, but to say you didn't have a choice is a fallacy. It may have been a choice you couldn't afford to make financially and if you refused to sell the item they would have gotten it from someone or somewhere else but the choice *could* have been made.  And please don't take that as "Malenko is better than you" cause I would have sold that kid the treat too, hell I would have asked the mom if she wanted another one to go. Difference is I wouldn't post about it on BYOAChad.

[AtomSmasher]

And in the process... you are clogging up all your arteries, and doing irreparable health damages in the process.   Your starving the body of its proper nutrients... and so damages will not be repaired.  Cells overall health will eventually decline, and could turn serious.   You will thus then look and feel much older, due to accelerated aging from the nutrient starvation damages.

Studies have shown that the Atkins diet is actually quite good for you and that it actually lowers cholesterol.   I have a health nut friend who already is extremely skinny, but he's been doing the ketosis diet (essentially the Atkins diet) for 6 months now solely because he feels it's an extremely healthy diet.  I think he's a little insane, but all the studies do seem to show the diet is good for you.

[pinballjim]

[citation needed]

[HaRuMaN]

[citation needed]

Yeah, no kidding.

[AtomSmasher]

http://bit.ly/Pqehyo

Here's an example of one study:  www.tcd.ie/tsmj/2001/2001pdf/ketogenic.pdf

In that study after 16 weeks of being in the ketosis diet:
Cholesterol dropped 5.6%
HDL's went up 8.8%
Cholesterol/HDL ratio went down 16.7%
Triglycerides when down 42.6%

I'm not saying that everyone should switch to the ketosis diet, I know I'll never be doing it again, I'm just saying that studies are showing it's much better for you then most people assume.

[AtomSmasher]

http://www.diabeteshealth.com/read/2009/01/13/6044/extremely-low-carb-ketogenic-diet-leads-to-dramatic-reductions-in-type-2-bg-levels-medications

Another article discussing studies done on the diet shows that 95% of diabetics on the ketosis diet can reduce or even eliminate their diabetes medication.  Also, "they said that the ketogenic group enjoyed lowered A1cs, greater weight loss, and a larger increase in "good" cholesterol compared to the low-glycemic group."

And here's another one: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15148063

CONCLUSIONS:
Compared with a low-fat diet, a low-carbohydrate diet program had better participant retention and greater weight loss. During active weight loss, serum triglyceride levels decreased more and high-density lipoprotein cholesterol level increased more with the low-carbohydrate diet than with the low-fat diet.

In short, Ketosis diet lowers the bad cholesterol, better regulates your insulin, and increases the good cholesterol.

[ark_ader]

ark, just be careful on what you eat, make sure you're getting the nutrients your body needs and continue to exercise.

xiaou2, who are you arguing with? who cares about the fat little girl? didnt you sell the mom the snack for the girl? dont you reserve the right to refuse service to any customer? You are part of the problem.

 My job was to sell Ice Cream and Yogurt.   I had no authority to tell someone they couldn't eat the 28oz take-home container in one setting.   But I WAS offended, and Really wanted to tell the mother off.   I wasn't however, going to lose my job over it.

 The argument here isnt about distribution.  Its about stupidity and ignorance:

 

Cream cheese is a good alternative for desserts.

 

 REALLY?!!!?!!!    Come on man, get Real.    A LUMP of FAT, is supposed to be better for you than a bowl of fruit?!   Your OUT OF YOUR MIND!

 1oz of Cream Cheese:

 83 Calories.   (72 calories from FAT)
 Cholesterol = 216mg  (71%  !!!!!!!!)
 Total Fat = 8 grams    (12%)
 Sat Fat = 5 grams      (25%!!! )
 Carbs = 1g  (from sugar)
 
 Now, a single OZ of cream cheeze, is probably like 2 crackers worth of topping.  Im guessing you eat way more than that.
Your probably eating a 4oz glob of it, and getting 100% maximum DV of Saturated fat in one setting,  and a heart seizing 284% of Cholesterol   !!!)

 
 1oz  Raw Carrot

 Calories = 11
 Fat = 0g
 Carbs = 3g   (Fiber =   2g,  Sugar = 1g)
  Vit.A = 94%,   Vit.C=3%,   Calcium 1%

 
 1oz  Raw Strawberries

 Calories = 9
 Fat = 0g
 Carbs = 2g   (Fiber =   1g,  Sugar = 1g)
 Vit.C=27%,   Calcium 1%

 (there are far more vitamins actually.  You can see the complete list here:  http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/fruits-and-fruit-juices/2064/2)


 Sorry, but you are not going to tell me that eating Cream Cheese is Healthier than some sugars.  Especially if that Sugar is balanced with nutrients, and fiber, which the body needs.   And that the Cholesterol and high fat content, are somehow better for you, than the natural sugar, and natural carbs.    Sorry.. but again, your understanding of Health and Weight Loss is wrong.

 All your bragging is pathetic.   You will go off Atkins, and gain all your mass back again... just like the last time.   And in the process... you are clogging up all your arteries, and doing irreparable health damages in the process.   Your starving the body of its proper nutrients... and so damages will not be repaired.  Cells overall health will eventually decline, and could turn serious.   You will thus then look and feel much older, due to accelerated aging from the nutrient starvation damages.

 You need to learn common sense.  Read up on the actual nutritional values and compare them to realistic serving sizes.  Read up on the dangers of Saturated Fats, Man Made fats/oils.

 Learn that some carbs and sugars, are well more beneficial, than high-fat foods.

 One has to wonder... if what you really like, is the Attention that rapid loss gives you.
Or the Attention, on the forums.  And or maybe you like to think your some kind of rebel..  Ticking people off
and or getting a rise out of them,  to try to get a rise out of yourself.

 I could care less about your recklessness... but I dont think such reckless and ignorant things, should be
promoted to others.

I think you are doing pretty good on the attention front.  I'm counting carbs, so fruit is a no no.  Carrots is full of sugar.  You need to subtract the fibre too as I am counting net carbs.

Getting a rise?  Only from the non believers.  Even the doc has seen the improvements.

Regardless what you think I lost another 2 lbs today.

[ChadTower]

I instantly distrust any notion of a diet where fruits and vegetables are a no-no.

[AtomSmasher]

I instantly distrust any notion of a diet where fruits and vegetables are a no-no.

Fruits are a no-no, but vegetables are a highly encouraged in the diet, you just can't eat the high carb vegetables.

[ChadTower]

That's just a foolish idea.  Fruits and vegetables have been a large part of the human diet for thousands of years.  I will not accept the notion that all of a sudden, in this fast food driven generation, it's the real food that is the problem.  Obesity was never a problem until recently.  Fast food didn't exist until recently.  This is not a coincedence.


This generation mostly sits all day.  Every prior generation did mostly physical labor of one sort or another.  The calorie burn of every person now is completely different and yet portions continue to get bigger and food continues to come more processed and with more fat/salt.  Make people work less and have them eat more and you end up with fat people.


Why is that so hard to accept? 

[Vigo]

I do the warrior diet for the most part, which is basically skip breakfast, skip lunch, eat absolutely as much of whatever you feel like for dinner.

I do this as well. Works great. My additional rules are, eat vitamins daily, no eating after 9:00, don't absolutely stuff myself at dinner and drink pretty much water during the day. My company did a biggest loser competition. It motivated me to not cheat. I lost 27 pounds and won $350 for first place. So far I used my winnings to buy an arcade machine (Tempest converted to Time Soldiers), a 3DS XL, a bunch of video games and the first deposit in my table saw fund. 

[AtomSmasher]

That's just a foolish idea.  Fruits and vegetables have been a large part of the human diet for thousands of years.  I will not accept the notion that all of a sudden, in this fast food driven generation, it's the real food that is the problem.  Obesity was never a problem until recently.  Fast food didn't exist until recently.  This is not a coincedence.


This generation mostly sits all day.  Every prior generation did mostly physical labor of one sort or another.  The calorie burn of every person now is completely different and yet portions continue to get bigger and food continues to come more processed and with more fat/salt.  Make people work less and have them eat more and you end up with fat people.


Why is that so hard to accept?

That's not hard to accept and I agree with you.

Fruits and vegetables are not causing people to be overweight, that is absurd.  First off, once again, vegetables are strongly encouraged on the ketosis diet.  Vegetables are good, even on the Atkins diet.  Second, the reason fruits and some vegetables are bad on the ketosis diet is not because they are bad to eat in general, but because they will take your body out of ketosis and therefore ruin the diet.
I'm on a fairly normal reduced calorie diet and I eat all sorts of fruits.

[javeryh]

I instantly distrust any notion of a diet where fruits and vegetables are a no-no.

Fruits are a no-no, but vegetables are a highly encouraged in the diet, you just can't eat the high carb vegetables.

I just don't trust diets like these for long term results.  Fruit is awesome - I eat a ton of it every single day and I'm in pretty great shape.  When I dropped some weight a few years ago I ate a ton of fruit every single day.  My secret: I exercise like a mofo.

[ark_ader]

I instantly distrust any notion of a diet where fruits and vegetables are a no-no.

Fruits are a no-no, but vegetables are a highly encouraged in the diet, you just can't eat the high carb vegetables.

I just don't trust diets like these for long term results.  Fruit is awesome - I eat a ton of it every single day and I'm in pretty great shape.  When I dropped some weight a few years ago I ate a ton of fruit every single day.  My secret: I exercise like a mofo.

And there you have it:  "I exercise like a mofo."  You can eat pretty much what you want if you work out every day (resting upper and cardio alternatively) which is something I aspire to.  Well actually is the real key to any weight loss. 

I think it is the best and honest answer so far.

Kudos!   

[Xiaou2]

You did have the authority to not sell it to her, you chose to sell it. I think the"argument" is about apathy not ignorance. I digress. You never read what other people post and try to see it from their side. I completely understand you didn't want to lose your job over some fat ---smurfing--- kid going to moo town on the treats you were slinging, but to say you didn't have a choice is a fallacy. It may have been a choice you couldn't afford to make financially and if you refused to sell the item they would have gotten it from someone or somewhere else but the choice *could* have been made.  And please don't take that as "Malenko is better than you" cause I would have sold that kid the treat too, hell I would have asked the mom if she wanted another one to go. Difference is I wouldn't post about it on BYOAChad.

 And so now its semantics?   You really dont know how to drop your anger and hate.   You should look into meditation.

 As for the Reason I posted it.. was to prove a point.   That many overweight people, are overweight because of stupid choices... such as the example I listed.


 Im also with Chad on this.  If your body is going into some kind of super-crisis mode... due to you starving it of the correct nutrients... eventually its probably going to destroy itself.   Maybe taking off 30 yrs off your lifespan, and destroying your quality of life.

 I also distrust media 'studies'...  Many of which are paid for, by the very people who created the problems... and are tainted, riddled with holes, and false data.


 There is always a price to pay for ignorant recklessness.


 Common Sense is the key.
 Sadly, many people are severely lacking in that department.

[ChadTower]

  Second, the reason fruits and some vegetables are bad on the ketosis diet is not because they are bad to eat in general, but because they will take your body out of ketosis and therefore ruin the diet.
I'm on a fairly normal reduced calorie diet and I eat all sorts of fruits.

The crux of my point is that if people burn more calories, and stick with the necessary amounts of real food, they will lose weight.  There is no trick here.  There are no ketosis diets or crash methods that are going to work in the long run.  There is a reason those diets have such high failure rates.  All they are is laziness.  People will suffer more in the short term so that they don't have to change in the long term.   Eventually, they get fat again, because they want to eat all that crap and not work out enough. 


One can't change from being a fat person physically until one changes from being a fat person mentally.

[Malenko]

You did have the authority to not sell it to her, you chose to sell it. I think the"argument" is about apathy not ignorance. I digress. You never read what other people post and try to see it from their side. I completely understand you didn't want to lose your job over some fat ---smurfing--- kid going to moo town on the treats you were slinging, but to say you didn't have a choice is a fallacy. It may have been a choice you couldn't afford to make financially and if you refused to sell the item they would have gotten it from someone or somewhere else but the choice *could* have been made.  And please don't take that as "Malenko is better than you" cause I would have sold that kid the treat too, hell I would have asked the mom if she wanted another one to go. Difference is I wouldn't post about it on BYOAChad.

 And so now its semantics?   You really dont know how to drop your anger and hate.   You should look into meditation.

How is that semantics? I clearly explained my point. You said you had no authority to not sell it, as the dolt behind the register you had the power not to sell it, its not a difficult concept.  I'll work on meditation when you work on your comprehension, deal?

[ark_ader]

One can't change from being a fat person physically until one changes from being a fat person mentally.

Well you can if your doctor tells you to, but the hypocrite talks about losing weight the absolute slowest way possible, which can consume a person's ability or purpose towards losing weight.

You learn as you go along.  The biggest deterrent is my fat picture when the breakfast rolls are on display in Starbucks.

I feel sorry for those who are huge and borderline diabetic.  Losing limbs is no joke.

[ChadTower]

Well you can if your doctor tells you to, but the hypocrite talks about losing weight the absolute slowest way possible, which can consume a person's ability or purpose towards losing weight.

Yeah, imagine that, a doctor trying to address the root cause and avoid causing more problems than you're solving.  What an asshat!

[ark_ader]

Can we talk about makeup and shopping now?

Aren't boys just the worst.

...If you must. 

[ChadTower]

The worst thing about ark_ader is probably those heels he wears.  I mean, really, can you say cankles?  If he had more pump fat his shoe would need a liposuction license.

[Xiaou2]

losing weight the absolute slowest way possible,

 I lost about 20lbs in a month, (I think it was closer to 3 weeks actually)  by stopping my intake of
soda.  I drank way too much of it.    That in combination with my already low-fat and healthy diet, and basic exercise 3x a week... made quick work of the buldge.  I went from a tight 36, to a comfy 32" pant size.

 And I didnt have to do it with dangerous methods, such as depletion of needed nutrients, nor sending the
body into crisis mode.

which can consume a person's ability or purpose towards losing weight.

 As stated, one Can lose weight fast, yet safely.

 The problem with you is that you dont have any real WILLPOWER.

 You dont have the will to look up correct health information.
 You dont have the will to stop eating fatty Garbage in large quantities.
 You dont have the will to take the reins. 

 You Blame others for your poor eating habits. (as in, blaming the Doc for the speed of safe un-doing)
 You deflect obvious and sensible information.
 You choose to ignore health concerns, in favor of keeping the same mindset and behavior, for an achievement you know Wont Last.
 You also choose to be irresponsible, spreading unhealthy solutions, to others.


 Will Power, is the decision to take control of yourself... rather than letting the body respond on its instincts and urges... and or bad-programming.


     You also should look into daily meditations.


 Meditation, is a person using his WILL, to CONTROL his mind/body/soul.  You may try to think of a peaceful flowing stream..  and your mind does everything it can, to change and alter that image / vision... because its literally OUT-OF-CONTROL.  Eventually, over time, you can gain & maintain control, with very little to no effort.

 Meditation also builds a better connection to the Sub-Conscious mind.   This leads to profound positive changes.

 Our conscious mind deal with typical waking reality.   The Sub-Conscious mind, does things like regulate breathing and heartbeat.. with no need for you to Consciously think about it.   

 However, the Subconscious mind is much more than just that.  If you were in a loud and busy room of 30 people, and talking to a person next to you... your conscious mind will hear the person, and possibly little bits of others talking.   But mostly, you tune out, and cant focus, on more than one conversation.   They sub-c. mind however.. will hear almost all of the conversations... and it records and stores all that information... as well as:  The smells, other sounds, details of the room / deco., and much more.    If the Conscious mind were to try to focus on all of that... it would explode... which is another reason why the division exists.

 However, the Sub.C.  mind can be crippling.   Your lifes experiences.. both negative and positive... actually PROGRAM the Suc.C. mind... leading it to do and act certain ways.   Even with typical limited conscious control, the Sub.C. can often over-ride things... un-doing  our attempts at change / progress.

 In order to stop the negative running programs of the Sub.C ,and RE-Program yourself..  you have to get better access and  "Conscious Control"  over the Sub.C. mind.   This is only achieved with seriously dedicated meditation efforts,  over a certain period of time.

 When you finally gain mastery of the deeper inner mind, emotions, and body... etc... you can begin to
make a positive change... and it will finally "stick".   And the new Positive Sub.C. Programming... will then work for you.. making your Conscious waking life much much better.

 Meditation wont for example... make you a good Guitar Player like Eddie Van Halen..  However, it may for example.. make you decided to work overtime at work... when you normally would decline... simply to gain the needed money for the Guitar, AMP, & Lessons you will need.   Then, it will often lead you to be in the right places, at the right times... to meet up with the best people to help you progress in your learning.  And all this again... without your real conscious efforts.

 You will however, need to actually Consciously practice.  The Sub.C. cant make the full jump for you.  Only select few people can do this... usually due to brain abnormality and or damages.  However, due to these talents being 'Thoughtless' ...   there is little control over them.   As well as the lacking control of other conscious things, such as communication and relationship abilities.


 After you make a breakthrough with Meditation... eventually, you can cease its daily practice, and still retain its positive effects.   The changes are pretty much permanent... and so kind of go through life in a sort of waking-meditative state.  Much more calm, peaceful, at ease... and able to handle life a lot better.   Other benefits, include better appreciation of things, being "content" or Happy most of the time...  Less fearful / anxious, more conscious of situations.. leading to better communications and thus better positive relationships.

 However, it all starts with desire to be better, and then actually putting forth real serious effort...
Its like a workout, for your Mind.


 A quick note:  That besides learning & practicing basic meditation(s)...  If you want deeper more profound progress... you should also be learning and developing certain specialized breathing methods... Such as
Dan-Tian (lower abdominal)  breathing.     There are moving meditations as well.. but I suspect that those will take a much longer time to get the kind of internal progress that comes from shutting down the body / physical.   You may wish to progress to these Qigong / Tai Chi moving meditations, after internal breakthrough.

[ark_ader]

I need to rename this thread to X2's Dietary Advice Thread.

Can any mod rename it for me? 

[stu33]

My mother did the Atkins diet in the 90s, I was still a teenager and home at the time.  Worked great for her, while she was on it.  She lost a ton of weight.  But we all paid the price for it.  When you eat that much mashed cauliflower (her favorite 'mashed potato analogue'), it has certain undesirable side effects...

[Malenko]

I need to rename this thread to X2's Dietary Advice Thread.

Can any mod rename it for me? 

And you thought I was annoying. Eating like Xiaou2 get's you brittle bone disease, FACT!

[ark_ader]

I need to rename this thread to X2's Dietary Advice Thread.

Can any mod rename it for me? 

And you thought I was annoying. Eating like Xiaou2 get's you brittle bone disease, FACT!

Well you made it off my ignore list.  So you are dong well so far. 

Not sure about X2 yet but we are all very different, I guess.

[rogerskevin67]

That's just a foolish idea.  Fruits and vegetables have been a large part of the human diet for thousands of years.  I will not accept the notion that all of a sudden, in this fast food driven generation, it's the real food that is the problem.  Obesity was never a problem until recently.  Fast food didn't exist until recently.  This is not a coincedence.


This generation mostly sits all day.  Every prior generation did mostly physical labor of one sort or another.  The calorie burn of every person now is completely different and yet portions continue to get bigger and food continues to come more processed and with more fat/salt.  Make people work less and have them eat more and you end up with fat people.


Why is that so hard to accept?

I am completely agreed with you, our life style is the only cause behind this fattiness.

[stuckpixel]

The problem with you is that you dont have any real WILLPOWER.

 You dont have the will to look up correct health information.
 You dont have the will to stop eating fatty Garbage in large quantities.
 You dont have the will to take the reins. 

 You Blame others for your poor eating habits. (as in, blaming the Doc for the speed of safe un-doing)
 You deflect obvious and sensible information.
 You choose to ignore health concerns, in favor of keeping the same mindset and behavior, for an achievement you know Wont Last.
 You also choose to be irresponsible, spreading unhealthy solutions, to others.

Look X2, I'm glad that normal 'healthy' diet works for you. What you fail to realize is that simply because that method of eating worked well for you, doesn't mean it's going to be the best for others.

For a very long time, I tried eating a traditional low fat, low calorie diet. At the time, I weighed somewhere around 325. Couple a sub-2000 calorie low fat diet with going to the gym every day for an hour, and I did lose weight. But, not very much. I _maaybe_ got down to the 290s. I'm sure you'll brush this off as me not sticking to the diet, or not calculating what I was eating -- but rest assured, I was pretty consistent. On top of the very very slow weight loss, I also felt hungry _ALL_ the time, and was pretty much miserable.

Given that I didn't feel like spending the next couple of years feeling miserable (which is about how long it would have taken to get to where I wanted to go at that rate) - I decided not to eat that way any longer. I went off diet and quickly ballooned up to 325 again. Happened to coencide with my daughter being born, so I couldn't hit the gym every day after work like I had been doing either.

After I got sick of being fat - I stumbled across keto. I read the research, and figured I'd try it for a couple months and see if it worked. It definately took some getting used to - but the weight MELTED off, and I wasn't feeling hungry all the time. My lowest at this point has been about 225 -- I've been in a diet slump lately and I've packed a few back on, but I'm getting back on board and going to try to hit a new low.

For me, a low fat diet leaves me feeling TERRIBLE. Yes, I can lose weight, but it takes forever, and I feel like hot garbage the whole time. Eating a ketogenic (high fat, moderate protein, very low carbohydrate) diet, I never feel hungry, and the weight melts off.

Forks over Knives and it's ilk is a very one sided view on nutrition. But hey, if it works for you, more power to you. But don't go off and start insulting people and their willpower without actually understanding their diet and the factors behind it (metabolic syndrome, sugar addiction, pre-diabetes, etc), .

You come off as very much 'holier-than-thou' - some humility would probably go well with the 'meditation' that you seem to think that everyone else needs.

[shmokes]

Low fat is stupid. Think of when the Low Fat craze took off in America. Exactly. Right about the same time when we were ballooning into a bunch of walking manitees. Fat was never the problem. People subconsciously have this absurd notion that you eat fat and it just, like, attaches itself intact to your thighs or belly. Think about what we ate prior to our rapid descent into obesity. Red meat. Butter. Whole milk. Lard. Crisco.

To the extent that low fat helps, I suppose it's that fat is high in calories. But it also takes a comparitively long time to be broken down into sugars by your body, so you don't end up getting hungry and eating again as soon as if you forego the fat.

[Xiaou2]

Of all people, Im very aware, sympathetic, and compassionate... towards people who have issues / disabilities.

 Ive known, and defended, people who ate very little.. but were still 'massy'.

 On the other hand... there are many who, unlike yourself, ...do not stick to a standard sized portion... Eat a lot of fatty junk foods, high calorie drinks,  sometimes skip meals,  tons of fatty milk butter, and cheeses, high-fat deep-fried foods, and Eat late at night right before bed... etc.   These types of things are guaranteed to make things worse.. not better...  And its often why people have gained such mass, and why they can not keep it off.

 I never said that its Always the case.  And if I was seriously overweight.. I too Might try something like Atkins.  Or surgery.  However.. I dont think Id ever brag about it... nor would I openly recommend others to try it.  These things are very risky.  There's no telling what kinds of future damages that could result...  such as a 30yr lifespan drop / hyper - accelerated aging... and or irreversible damages to important cellular functionality.   And the worst thing is... people will just gain it all back.. unless they learn and stick to better dietary measures...

 This is why I raise my voice and concern.   I personally do not think its a healthy and safe thing to do.  And do not believe its good to promote such a thing.   And if we are going to hear about it regardless... Im going to at least put in my 2cents worth of dietary advice... which may, or may not, help others... in a more natural and lasting way.


 On a personal side note...

 Ive found within myself... that a small serving of lean meats... such as Turkey or Chicken, work far better to satisfy hunger than carbs or sugary substances.  So, Ill eat like 2 cold-cuts worth, possibly a carrot & few maybe a couple of tortilla chips.  Taking with me a piece of fruit for mid-morning,  then head off to work.   

 For lunch...  if I get a lunch... a very small portion of meat, with a much larger portion of veggies, and some rice. (little to no oils in the mix. No butter/margarine.  Just lots of great spices)   Real steamed rice, with good seasoning is very filling, and has decent protein content on its own.  Rice is much cheaper than meat... so it makes for a good mix.

 Dinner is a larger portion, and often fruits for snacks in the night.  Ill eat some sugary things, like pudding or ice cream once in a while... and some tortilla chips here and there as well.   Almond milk, for calcium.  (which is very low in fat, higher in calcium, low in calories... and tastes great to boot)


 I used to have the inverse problem:  Bone-Showing thin / frailty.  Could eat and eat and eat.. and still be way too hungry.  This turned out to be mass food allergies... and gluten (wheat) intolerance.  Age and worsening allergic reactions, have played a huge shift in my mass, health, and now my new-found diet.

 Age slowed my metabolism down significantly.  Which gained me mass.  But the allergens worsened, and caused 'Major Havok'    ,in my system.  Causing chemical imbalances, depression, horse throat (constant production and thus hacking of phlegm), and the eventual need for removal of my Gall Bladder... and later, a benign but annoying Nodule that developed on my thyroid.

 Its been a tough ride.... and I merely wish to share my own dietary experiences, and knowledge that Ive gained from this whole journey.  Most especially because Im much more sensitive to even small changes... due to a much weaker  "low-nutrient-absorbing"  system.

 I tell you... I think Id rather be massively overweight... than to be intolerant to Dairy, Eggs, Soy, Wheat, and probably some other things Ive yet to discover.   At very least, its made me a better cook.. and able to make things that are healthier, with a lot less fat.. and still maintain great taste.   But with conditions like this... you cant just order out... nor drive-thru.. and cost of allergen free foods that are not easy to make... are wallet draining.  (3x or more the standard cost)