newb build. Struggling to get twin off the ground

[Howard_Casto]

You plop em in the "roms" folder within model 2, not sure how you can screw that up.

Also make sure you are using the correct roms. 

While Model 2 technically uses mame rom sets the emulator is fairly old.  Many of the sets have been changed since then. 

[deathrow]

Thanks,

I did crate the folder and go through the instructions.
Making sure the pathway was correct etc.

I did read the "readme" file and do what I was asked. I think the roms that I got bundled are not great.

I will try something else and do it one by one as seen elsewhere.

The apology I left was for linking a download. just got ahead of myself a bit and broke the rules.

I will figure it out I'm sure.

Thanks to everyone for your kind help/support

[BadMouth]

roms should be in the rom folder
they should be zipped files, do not extract them
IIRC, the path to the rom folder can be changed in emulator.ini

There really is nothing more to it than that.
If you got the roms and the emulator from the same place, they should work together.

Download all the variations of a rom.  There are things in the main "parent" rom that the other variations need.
For example, if you download Daytona Turbo, it only contains extra files needed to play the turbo version.
You also need the original Daytona rom for the main files.

The official site for the emulator is here:
http://nebula.emulatronia.com/

(At my workplace, Trend Micro blocks it as malicious, but I've never had any issues)

[deathrow]

Hi mate,

Yes its all pretty simple and should work but I think the computer is crap lol
Getting an occasional blue screen fault too.

I think I am going to wait until I can get some space in the house for a nice warm indoor build where I will feel more comfortable spending out of a couple of i5 or i7 computers.

I will continue on with the PS2's inside her for now and may add a couple of Dreamcasts etc on a dragon cast cable to play daytona ntsc-j linked up.

You've all helped me a great deal and have given me more time/help than was reasonable to ask for.

I thank you very much 

[deathrow]

Yup was deff the old PC thats been giving me the headache.

I borrowed my sons laptop and quickly a couple of roms in the emulator..





Very simple as you guys have stated and not much can really be messed up. Im sooooo glad I'm not a thick as I thought lol

Been playing 24hr on the keys and had a little fun with setting things up.
Sound was a little here and there as to be expected from an old laptop but was perfectly useable.

So.... DAYTONaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa     

 

Just got to resist the urge to buy a couple of pc's 

[BadMouth]

I wouldn't give up on the old pc if the only time it crashes is when the emulator is ran.
It's probably an issue with the video drivers.  You might try pulling the video card and seeing if it still crashes with the onboard video.
Yes it will run like crap, but if it runs without crashing then you know the problem is with your video card drivers.

EDIT: I seem to remember someone posting that they were getting the blue screen of death with M2 and it turned out that they needed more memory.

[Howard_Casto]

Yeah model 2 isn't super demanding spec wise. 

I think it requires a card that does shaders 3.0 ( or possibly 2.0) though.  Pretty sure you can turn that off in the ini though. 

[deathrow]

Thanks much appreciated.

Will pull out the new card and see what happens.

The blue screen fault is interesting too.

 

[deathrow]

Ok,

I made sure the new card was fitted correctly and all drivers installed correctly.
Disabled the old and enabled the new.

Nowt. Still crashing.

Removed the car and restored everything and even did an update.

Still crashing.

Time for google, Found a thread of old with some handy tips from badmouth.
Followed this and changed the following to a '1'.



And...



We have a game.... well sort of??

The characters are in colour but the game screen is in Black and white. Obviously the graphics chips on the main board are not up to the job.
Glitchy as hell and the sound is bad.

In general just a lacking computer.

I could upgrade the ram etc and fit yet another card but its still only a p4 3.0.

I'm not sure why the new card wouldn't cut it? It states on the box that it supports pixelshader 5.0 so would have thought it to be backwards compatible? or maybe just a dud or dirty port on the mother board.

either way this needs something a little better to run it. Shame as it owes me nowt.

Will watch and see what comes up on ebay.

Just out of interest what 2 player games on v1.0 are stable as a twin?

I know sega rally and Daytona are but what others?

Cheers

[Drnick]

Since you made the change in the ini file have you put the old card back in and tried again.

[deathrow]

Since you made the change in the ini file have you put the old card back in and tried again.

I think the change in the ini file is to do with the pixelshader? Im guessing the new card isnt compatible.

I have spoken to pc world today and they have told me to try a geforce card. I didn't bother but if you think its worth a try then I will.
Nothing ventured = nothing gained

 

[BadMouth]

Since you made the change in the ini file have you put the old card back in and tried again.

I think the change in the ini file is to do with the pixelshader? Im guessing the new card isnt compatible.

I have spoken to pc world today and they have told me to try a geforce card. I didn't bother but if you think its worth a try then I will.
Nothing ventured = nothing gained

 

Found a reprint of lucisac's guide that used to be on the old M2 forums.
http://javaexpert.tistory.com/52
If anyone has a copy of his guide, please attach it here.
I thought it was lost and would like to see it preserved.
The weird website this is on won't let me copy and paste it.

It says:
ATI: Radeon 9500 or newer
Nvidia: GeForce FX, 6 series, or newer

Keep in mind that you'll need something that works with your TVs.
I'm limited to S-Video here in the U.S. 
I think there is a way to do VGA to SCART, but I never paid much attention since we don't have SCART here.

I'm running nvidia 8600GT in three of my systems and they all play M2 fine.

[Nuexzz]

test this executable is for pixel shader 2.0

 

[deathrow]

VGA to scart is pretty straight forward here I think, there are loads of cables for sale to do this.

I found a similar set of instructions but for v0.9 and was working from that.
I will give that a look. Thanks 

I' will take another look at the cards.

*Nuexx- Thanks for the download, will have a play with it tonight.

[Drnick]

I have spoken to pc world today and they have told me to try a geforce card. I didn't bother but if you think its worth a try then I will.
Nothing ventured = nothing gained

I did say go Nvidia    I don't know what it is about ATI and emulation but it seems to be just so much hassle all the time. 

(Actually the post where I said go Nvidia isn't there as when I went to post it you had posted that you had purchased a card already)

[deathrow]

I have spoken to pc world today and they have told me to try a geforce card. I didn't bother but if you think its worth a try then I will.
Nothing ventured = nothing gained

I did say go Nvidia    I don't know what it is about ATI and emulation but it seems to be just so much hassle all the time. 

(Actually the post where I said go Nvidia isn't there as when I went to post it you had posted that you had purchased a card already)

well you almost told me 
The compute now has an Nvidia 210 1gb card..... and.....



Very fast with no obvious lagging that I have noticed on either 24hr or indi 500.
However the sound is jittering.

Would the sound be jittering because of the ram only being 1gb? or is the sound just like that on those games? I have not downloaded any other roms yet as I was just experimenting.

The game play is very good on these two.

what are your thoughts oh guru ones 

[deathrow]

I have spoken to pc world today and they have told me to try a geforce card. I didn't bother but if you think its worth a try then I will.
Nothing ventured = nothing gained

I did say go Nvidia    I don't know what it is about ATI and emulation but it seems to be just so much hassle all the time. 

(Actually the post where I said go Nvidia isn't there as when I went to post it you had posted that you had purchased a card already)

well you almost told me 
The computer now has an Nvidia 210 1gb card..... and.....



Very fast with no obvious lagging that I have noticed on either 24hr or indi 500.
However the sound is stuttering.

Would the sound be stuttering because of the ram only being 1gb? the processor sepped? or is the sound just like that on those games? I have not downloaded any other roms yet as I was just experimenting.

The game play is very good on these two.

what are your thoughts oh guru ones 

[BadMouth]

Not sure if the memory would affect the sound like that.  I'd think 1GB would be enough, but you are using Vista.
Most likely culprit is the processor.  You might see enough improvement by disabling background services to get by.
Uninstall anything that isn't needed for emulation, turn off auto-update, turn off system restore, remove any anti-virus software.
(or if you have an xp key, just start over again with xp.  MAME would benefit from using XP64, but it's harder to find EDIT: scratch xp64, your processor isn't 64 bit)

I use tweaks from here as a guide:
http://www.blackviper.com/

Before getting into any of that, make sure you're using the multi-core exe for m2emulator. 

[Howard_Casto]

Yeah I'm like bad mouth on this one... vista is going to really eat up your resources.  It has a spiderweb of background services.  Xp would be better, but play with the settings first to make sure it isn't something obvious. 

[deathrow]

Before getting into any of that, make sure you're using the multi-core exe for m2emulator. 

Sorry but is this the multicpu version of the emulator or an add on?

And no I wasnt, I was using the standard.

will give this a go.

The computer has been taken to bare bones. I was concerned about vista too after some interesting reading on google.

Getting closer and closer thanks to you guys 

[Drnick]

Found a reprint of lucisac's guide that used to be on the old M2 forums.
If anyone has a copy of his guide, please attach it here.
I thought it was lost and would like to see it preserved.
The weird website this is on won't let me copy and paste it.

Here you go If you have another like this that won't let you copy try changing the page style to No Style.  It gets a bit ugly but lets you copy and paste 

[BadMouth]

Found a reprint of lucisac's guide that used to be on the old M2 forums.
If anyone has a copy of his guide, please attach it here.
I thought it was lost and would like to see it preserved.
The weird website this is on won't let me copy and paste it.

Here you go If you have another like this that won't let you copy try changing the page style to No Style.  It gets a bit ugly but lets you copy and paste 

THANK YOU!
I was actually five pages into retyping it.
I'm glad you didn't wait until the end of the week to post it!

I plan to make a setup guide sticky.
Don't have much free time at the moment, so it's just going to be this guide and a link to the supermodel help pages for now.
Whenever my next cab build gets off the ground, I'll document all the software setup as I do it.

[Drnick]

Not a problem,  Just been spending the day cruising the site reading up on stuff.   I finally got round to wiping and reinstalling a spare PC and setting up some old wheels I had floating about.  I can run anything that runs with DX9 & XP32 SP2 with Feedback so Model2 emulation is working fine.  Haven't tested model 3 yet, I guess we will see.

[deathrow]

Thanks guys 

The project has taken a turn and I am now building things into a twin daytona cab.

I have the pc's (dual core 3.4ghz) and I am just looking for the right G-cards

Will start a build thread when I have shifted a few of the spares I wont be using.

Where would I be without you guys