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Skee Ball - Pre-Buy questions
« on: November 28, 2011, 07:18:38 pm »
Hey all,
Found an amusement style Skee ball machine in decent shape that looks like a fair price, but I'm not familiar with market.  Is $800 a fair price for what you see below if in complete working order and cosmetically okay?

Can test before buy, supposedly everything works including ticket dispenser, but no tickets to dispense.  What specifically other than looks and play should I ask/checkout prior to purchase?

Appreciate any insight/information!  ;D
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Re: Skee Ball - Pre-Buy questions
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2011, 07:48:54 pm »
There are 4 bumpers in the scoring rings. Three are in the 10 point ring and one in the 20 point ring. The stock ones on my machines were worn down to the metal fasteners and were used for a long while like that. The metal fasteners chipped away at the wood composite balls bad enough to affect the rolling of the balls. A set of used balls is fairly hard to come by, unless if you're willing to pay an arm and a leg for a NOS set on ebay, and even then used sets go for about $10 a ball. If the bumpers are worn badly, that could be a negotiating point. I don't know if you can get original replacements, but you can buy common furniture parts and hardware very cheaply and have an acceptable substitute.

On the ball subject, I prefer the wood composite balls. But there are also nylon balls. Worn bumpers won't affect nylon balls nearly as bad as wood composite, but there's just something about the feel of the wood composite balls during play...

There are three sand bags in the scoring rings as well. They are in the 50, 40, and 30 point rings. They are there to help prevent the ball from bouncing out of those holes. Nearly all mine are worn through and have no sand. I haven't really had a problem with balls bouncing out though, but it is something else to look at.

I don't think the lane carpet is original on that machine. The original lane carpet was a pinkish red cork. The original material is very expensive. Might be another negotiating point. It looks like a model H machine converted for an amusement place, the marquee and beacon are different as well, but it looks like it has the bones of a model H.

It's missing a front net, not a big deal if this is for personal use. But if it's to go on location, it will be extremely easy to cheat.

The ticket dispenser isn't that important if this is for personal use, but definitely needed if you're going to be putting it on location so you can hand out prizes. If it is for personal use and you have the ticket dispenser enabled via the dip switches, once the tickets run out, the display will say "HELP" and you won't e able to play until either the tickets are refilled, or the dispenser is disabled.

Check the back legs to see if the levelling feet are present in the legs. One of mine is missing one, I haven't done any hunting yet, so I don't know how hard they'll be to find, but I think I might be able to find them in a home improvement store.

Have him pull the score ring out while you're there. Check the switch actuator wires. They'll probably be bent (adjusted) in various ways, but make sure the actuator wires are stiff. If they have been changed out in the past, there might be softer actuators which will require constant adjustment or replacement. New switches are also expensive in the states. But can be found for a reasonable price at arcadeshop.de.

I paid $100 for one of mine and $50 for the other from the same guy. Both were "non-working" but I took parts from one for the other to make a perfectly functional one. Spent about $150 in parts for the other one (including another set of wood composite balls) to get it up to snuff.

$800? If you feel comfortable spending that, sure. But it's not original, if that matters to you. Try to talk him down to around $400 or $500.

I've attached a couple pics of mine for comparison. On the right side, yours is missing a view window for the balls, that piece was might have been replaced with a left side piece, or maybe it's different from the factory. You can see the sand bags and bumpers in the second pic. Also, you might encounter some of the angle pieces being broken that hold the score rings.
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Re: Skee Ball - Pre-Buy questions
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2011, 11:13:51 am »
Thanks a ton Neph,
I've never really crawled around a Skeeball machine before, and you've given me some good things to look at and question.  This is not a money making machine, this is strictly for Basement/Game Room play.  I believe a front net is available, but not installed.  The balls provided look like nylon/rubber type to me, pictured below.

Don't think I ever knew there were sand or bumbers in the rings, so I will definitely check for those.  My main concern is that it is solid, clean, and fully functioning.  I will check the actuator wires and test them out.  Can you provide more information on what I should be looking at there specifically?

Originallity is not that important to me as long as it looks like it should, but can be used to negotiate, so thanks for the feedback that it doesn't appear "stock".
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« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2011, 01:37:20 pm »
The wire on the switches should be stiff and rigid, but bendable for when you need to adjust it. The right actuator wires for these switches have and eye on the end that gets secured to the switch. A couple of switches on mine didn't have the correct wire, and were substituted with copper wire. When a ball hit the copper wire, it would bend a little, taking the switch out of adjustment. I don't think it was common practice to do this with the switches, but it's something to look for since they can be expensive to replace (around $6 per switch from what I've found in the states, but only about $3 per switch from arcadeshop.de). There are a total of 8 switches in one machine.



The balls included with that machine probably won't be effected by worn bumpers nearly as bad as wood composite balls. But if you plan on getting the wood composite balls some day, keep the bumpers in mind.

Good luck with your deal, skeeball machines are a blast!

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Re: Skee Ball - Pre-Buy questions
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2011, 01:54:25 pm »
What's the purpose of the bumpers in the rings?  The sandbags make sense, keep the ball from bouncing back out once you make a good shot.  But the bumpers look to make the ball bounce, but aren't big enough to cause it to bounce from that row to another.

Just there to generate noise/bounce/excitement?
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« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2011, 02:28:34 pm »
The bumpers slow the ball down (and direct it towards the hole) so it goes into the hole on its first pass. If the bumpers weren't present on those rings, the ball could ride the ring fast enough to skip the hole once, maybe even twice, and go back and forth along the ring.
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Re: Skee Ball - Pre-Buy questions
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2011, 03:51:39 pm »
I just got a model H themed for Tilt arcades. Mine doesn't have bumpers, dispenser (removed by seller), or the front net (apparently that was an option). I replaced all the switches with a set from arcadeshop.de. It's extremely hard, if not impossible, to adjust the switches to be 100% accurate. I got mine to about 95% accurate, where once in a great while you'll miss out on 10 points or get an extra 10 points. I have the nylon balls and they're not bad. I'd probably rather have the composite but at least the nylon ones don't get beat up. An ebay auction for a set of 9 used composite balls just went for I think about $82 shipped. It seems to me that since they don't come cheap on ebay, the only way I'll get a set of composite balls for a "reasonable" price is if I happen to come across some locally (I'm not holding my breath).

Mine was "working" but not what I'd call 100% working (switches, beacon light, indicator lights, etc.). I've done a fair amount of work on mine including some repairs on the power supply. Feel free to hit me up if you buy it and find any issues that you'd like to get fixed. I also got the manual and schematics put up at the arcarc manual site.

As far as pricing, mine was $300 which I considered to be a steal. I wanted one badly enough that I would have considered paying up to $800 depending on condition of course, although probably not for one with a non-stock theme like this one or the Tilt one I bought.

BTW, speaking of "complete working order", one of the bulbs that lights up the ring board through the bottom of the marquee area is not lit (the one on the left). So IMO if the guy says it's in "complete working order" I'd wonder what other "minor" details aren't working quite right (like scoring reliability, indicator lights (behind the marquee), beacon light, ball counter, etc).
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Re: Skee Ball - Pre-Buy questions
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2011, 04:59:48 pm »
I also got the manual and schematics put up at the arcarc manual site.

SWEET! You're the man, ShanMan! I've been using that damn model S manual with my model H and tracked down the dip switch settings from somewhere else. Thanks for this!

ETA: Shan, I believe your machine was made in 91. One of mine has a "model" number of 11-89 and a date code of October 89 on the fan between the score ring lights. The other has a "model" number 4-90 and a date code of March 90 on its fan.

I was hoping to find the thumb wheel the manual mentions. Mine is set to a winning score of 50, I would like to set it to about 250. But it looks like only alleys built without ticket dispensers have that option.
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Re: Skee Ball - Pre-Buy questions
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2011, 05:33:32 pm »
Sounds like you're going off of posts I've made on klov. Thanks for the helpful corroborating evidence of the date of manufacture. And as for the "winner" score, I don't recall what all I've said about this on klov but I'm in the process of populating the logic board with the parts needed for setting it. The only concern is that it could be there are separate roms for dispenser models and non-dispenser models so adding in the winner score circuit might not do much for me. I've got the board populated but need to make the thumbwheel cable (I'm just using dips though). Hopefully I'll get some time to do that soon so I can find out if it actually does anything!
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« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2011, 05:38:09 pm »
Sounds like you're going off of posts I've made on klov.

Yes sir. I'll be keeping a hopeful eye out for your winner score work around! :cheers:

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« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2011, 05:26:34 pm »
Did you get it Rando?

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Re: Skee Ball - Pre-Buy questions
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2011, 07:28:33 pm »
Did you get it Rando?
Too tall! :(
Spots of the basement that have the proper length have lower ceiling due to ducts.  Ceiling is about 6'3" in those areas, tallest part of the skee-ball is 6'5"ish! :(

New plans! :)
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Re: Skee Ball - Pre-Buy questions
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2011, 02:30:19 am »
What about taking the beacon light off? Is that measurement excluding the light?
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Re: Skee Ball - Pre-Buy questions
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2011, 06:30:54 pm »
Yes sir. I'll be keeping a hopeful eye out for your winner score work around! :cheers:

No luck. It appears that a "field programmable" score unit has its own rom version. So I posted on klov looking for a rom with field programmable score enabled, or at least a rom with a hard coded score other than 50, to help me locate the score in the code. If I can't find a field programmable rom, I'd at least like to be able to edit the score in the rom image and burn a new rom.
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