Author Topic: STERN TRANSFORMERS (Read 11091 times)

smartbomb2084 · « **on:** August 20, 2011, 08:44:34 am »

Let the hype begin!

Meph · « **Reply #1 on:** August 20, 2011, 09:02:37 am »

The video is pretty cool. Its nice to see Stern starting to properly advertise and build hype for their machines, BUT are they going to use their new advertising costs to justify 8k for their regular machines and 10k for LE's? I think the transformers theme will translate well to pinball though. Can't wait to see more.

ChadTower · « **Reply #2 on:** August 20, 2011, 09:20:25 am »

Another theme that is two decades too late.

TOK · « **Reply #3 on:** August 20, 2011, 01:10:50 pm »

Quote from: ChadTower on August 20, 2011, 09:20:25 am

Another theme that is two decades too late.

Think you're way wrong on this one. It's generating a lot of interest and gonna be a hit. It will be movie themed too, so your comment seems a bit off.

ChadTower · « **Reply #4 on:** August 20, 2011, 02:21:30 pm »

Quote from: TOK on August 20, 2011, 01:10:50 pm

Think you're way wrong on this one. It's generating a lot of interest and gonna be a hit. It will be movie themed too, so your comment seems a bit off.

If it helps I think the movies are two decades too late as well. Plus they suck which really doesn't help here.

ChadTower · « **Reply #5 on:** August 20, 2011, 05:34:49 pm »

Quote from: pinballjim on August 20, 2011, 03:38:13 pm

So it's gonna be three pop bumpers, one ramp, two banks of targets, and one cheap jiggle toy, right?

It's the Iron Avatar Tron edition.

Q*Bert_OP · « **Reply #6 on:** August 20, 2011, 09:51:38 pm »

They have money for this kind of s*** and can't include a proper manual and playfield support brackets?

Xiaou2 · « **Reply #7 on:** August 21, 2011, 01:58:51 am »

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and gonna be a hit.

You are Psychic

Can you PM me winning Lotto numbers Please ?

Transformers was a fun cartoon and set of toys, growing up. But seeing the previews for the movies, and it turned me off. The CGI is horrible, horrible camera work. Everything was a blurry dark mess, and it all looked pathetic.

When it was on DVD, a friend played it for his kids, and I was so un-interested and non-captivated, that I pretty much ignored it.

Todays Re-Makes are pretty much train wrecks. Then again, most remakes are.
And because of that... it would be far better to use the source materials.

In this case, a pin based on the original Transformers cartoons would be far more epic than the modern movie crap. Same would have been true for Tron.

The fact that Stern produced a mini-movie shows incredible waste of money. Guess who pays for it? Yup... anyone who buys the machine. That money could have been better spent elsewhere.

A video of the game working, explaining the shots, etc.. like how it used to be done, is a far better tool to captivate interest and sales. (this time with internet, it would be more impactful, than sending out limited vcr tapes) Do they really think a this cheezy vid is going to get people to pre-order?

ugg >.<

TOK · « **Reply #8 on:** August 21, 2011, 09:05:38 am »

You're not psychic? I thought you had all kinds of super powers.

I'm amazed that without your support the 3 Transformers movies still managed to make over a billion dollars. Its almost like people don't care what you think!

smartbomb2084 · « **Reply #9 on:** August 21, 2011, 10:39:21 am »

ANYONE who claims to LOVE pinball but won't even TRY a particular game ONCE because of the THEME or the ARTWORK or the DESIGNER or the MANUFACTURER is just a HYPOCRITICAL IDIOT whose words fall on the DEAF ears of true pinball fans.

If you are REALLY that MISERABLE in your life then be a MAN and CHANGE IT or do us a favor and END IT by YOUR OWN HAND!

Why is something that is supposed to be FUN always end up NEGATIVE with you people?

smartbomb2084 · « **Reply #10 on:** August 21, 2011, 11:47:30 am »

You automatically hate a theme because you can't afford it or have to drive 6 hours to play it?

That is one of the LAMER copouts I have heard.

If one of your kids came up with that one you would thnk it was lame too.

I guess it is just easier to outright hate what is unaffordable or too hard to obtain in life so you don't feel like it's something you are missing out on?

Interesting...

ChadTower · « **Reply #11 on:** August 21, 2011, 11:57:36 am »

smartbomb2084 is protesting a bit too much.

TOK · « **Reply #12 on:** August 21, 2011, 12:50:22 pm »

Smartbomb, pretty much everything Xiaou2 says is a thread crap (just look at other threads he's wrecked for proof) so I don't really give weight to anything he says.

For the rest of what you said -I actually like that themes make people opinionated, its one of the cool things about pinball.
I think WOZ is an awful theme, but it still seems to be getting a lot of buzz. Stern has a ton of themes I absolutely hate (Shrek, Wheel of Fortune, CSI, Big Buck Hunter), but I'd still happily play the games because I enjoy pinball as a whole. I think much of the opinion here comes from the perspective of actually owning the games because thats what a lot of us do.

ChadTower · « **Reply #13 on:** August 21, 2011, 12:55:31 pm »

Until about a year ago I would have had zero chance of ever playing anything Stern has made in recent years. It didn't even really matter to me what their themes were. They didn't actually exist in my world. Now there is a monster pinball arcade within an hour of me that does include most of the recent Sterns. I'll try Transformers but odds are I'll put 2-3 credits into it and then move on to other stuff. Playing Avatar, Iron Man, and Tron right next to each other was an eye opening experience. All three feel pretty much the same. That's not a good trend.

ChadTower · « **Reply #14 on:** August 21, 2011, 05:38:30 pm »

I didn't realize until I saw that PAPA vid just how many recent Sterns "still don't exist" to me. I've never seen 24, Wheel of Fortune, Big Buck Hunter, CSI. I think I have seen Dark Knight and World Poker Tour once.

Xiaou2 · « **Reply #15 on:** August 21, 2011, 10:02:58 pm »

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You're not psychic? I thought you had all kinds of super powers.

I'm amazed that without your support the 3 Transformers movies still managed to make over a billion dollars. Its almost like people don't care what you think! LOL

The stuff that came to me when I was actively meditating +2hrs a day, 7 days a week, was random. Possibly just me being very attuned to things on a subconscious level, and bringing it to the conscious level much better than most others. However, when speculating on things such as seeing a full body, moving apparition... in a well lit stairwell, 12 feet away.. becomes a lot harder to brush off.
Personally, I believe at most, there are percentages based on patterns.I dont tend to believe in Fate ( solid set unchangable future / path).

What Transformers made money wise, was pretty crappy compared to the many other films. (and part of that money was made just by suckers who used to like the original, being curious, only to be let down)

And had all the Original fans loved the 1st movie, they would have seen 2 & 3 right? So far, theres 2 people here that have nayed. The rest of the audience? A bunch of new-genner children who probably never saw the original cartoon in their lives.

I like how you Assume Smartbomb was trashing me. If you actually Read what was written, maybe you wouldnt be putting your foot in your mouth.

Ive played almost every Stern thats been made, at least once, if not a few times.
That said, Ive rarely walked away wanting to play more, even when most times I played for free. (Or the game was on free-play at a pay show)

Telling people I dont like the New Transformers, is not thread crapping. Its called having an Opinion.

"I think its going to be a hit" = opinion
"Its Going to be a hit" = unproven guesstimate, by fanboy

Donkbaca · « **Reply #16 on:** August 22, 2011, 12:50:23 am »

It is going to be a hit

pinballwizard79 · « **Reply #17 on:** August 22, 2011, 12:55:49 am »

TOK · « **Reply #18 on:** August 22, 2011, 06:46:24 am »

Quote from: Xiaou2 on August 21, 2011, 10:02:58 pm

Quote
You're not psychic? I thought you had all kinds of super powers.

I'm amazed that without your support the 3 Transformers movies still managed to make over a billion dollars. Its almost like people don't care what you think! LOL

The stuff that came to me when I was actively meditating +2hrs a day, 7 days a week, was random. Possibly just me being very attuned to things on a subconscious level, and bringing it to the conscious level much better than most others. However, when speculating on things such as seeing a full body, moving apparition... in a well lit stairwell, 12 feet away.. becomes a lot harder to brush off.
Personally, I believe at most, there are percentages based on patterns.I dont tend to believe in Fate ( solid set unchangable future / path).

What Transformers made money wise, was pretty crappy compared to the many other films. (and part of that money was made just by suckers who used to like the original, being curious, only to be let down)

And had all the Original fans loved the 1st movie, they would have seen 2 & 3 right? So far, theres 2 people here that have nayed. The rest of the audience? A bunch of new-genner children who probably never saw the original cartoon in their lives.

I like how you Assume Smartbomb was trashing me. If you actually Read what was written, maybe you wouldnt be putting your foot in your mouth.

Ive played almost every Stern thats been made, at least once, if not a few times.
That said, Ive rarely walked away wanting to play more, even when most times I played for free. (Or the game was on free-play at a pay show)

Telling people I dont like the New Transformers, is not thread crapping. Its called having an Opinion.

"I think its going to be a hit" = opinion
"Its Going to be a hit" = unproven guesstimate, by fanboy

If you read my original reply to Chad, I said that I think he's wrong and that led into my sentence about the game being a hit.
That was an opinion. I think you're replying to my comments based on your inability to use the quote function, hacking 1/3 out of my original sentence and going into your Tranformers manifesto from there.

Xiaou2 · « **Reply #19 on:** August 22, 2011, 10:28:20 am »

Maybe English isnt your main language, or your understanding is poor.. but heres the deal:

Quote

Think you're way wrong on this one. It's generating a lot of interest and gonna be a hit.

When you end the sentence with a Period, It completes the Thought / Statement.

EX: I think this guy has an attitude. My balls itch.
(Opinion.Statement)

"I think your Wrong." - is one opinion,
"Its Generating a lot of interest, and is going to be a hit" - Is not affiliated with the previous 'I think', or 'in my opinion'.

It contains two statements:

1) Its Generating a lot of interest
2) Its going to be a hit.

To reword it to reflect Opinions on both cases, and not just statements, it might look like this:

"I think your wrong on this one. Its generating a lot of interest, and I think its going to be a big hit."

Jeff AMN · « **Reply #20 on:** August 22, 2011, 11:24:55 am »

Eh, I'm going to agree that the theme is too late. Maybe it's not 20 years too late, but it's pretty late given that three movies came out (that got progressively worse) before the machine hit. At this point I think it would have been best to move on to another theme.

Here's hoping it's good. I think Tron is quite a bit of fun and has its fair share of challenging shots, and Gomez is responsible for Lord of the Rings...so there's some hope for a good game.

Donkbaca · « **Reply #21 on:** August 22, 2011, 12:35:09 pm »

I heard Tron is pretty fun. I don't think the theme is too late at all, better than Tron which was based on 2 crappy movies 20 years apart. Wizard of Oz, and Rolling Stones, now THOSE are 20 year too late themes

Nephasth · « **Reply #22 on:** August 22, 2011, 12:59:35 pm »

Quote from: Xiaou2 on August 22, 2011, 10:28:20 am

Maybe English isnt your main language, or your understanding is poor..

Xiaou, you capitalize words in the middle of a sentence that aren't proper nouns. I don't think you're qualified to be giving English lessons.

You may find this list of rules helpful.

Edited to add link.

TOK · « **Reply #23 on:** August 22, 2011, 02:01:24 pm »

Thanks for the attempted English lesson Xaiou, but until your writing stops resembling retarded Haiku's I think I'll skip it.
More evidence of your intent to crap every thread by turning it into a personal battle. Who here hasn't already read your epic tale of being born as a baby bird and pulling yourself up by your beak to become an English professor and karate master?
Now please run along and glue some random blocks of wood together so I can talk to the grown ups.

When I read Stern was releasing a Tron 2 themed pin after the movie was already gone from the theaters and out on DVD, I swore they were out of their minds. I felt the hype was over and it was too late. The pin still seemed to generate a ton of interest and pre-orders.
I guess their timeline is OK, to the point where I no longer think its going to affect the sales of Transformers.

Wizard Of Oz is timeless at this point. What has it been, 70 years? Its polarizing though. A lot of guys think its a very lame theme, including me. Guys on RGP are excited about rumors of a Muppets pin, which sounds about as douchey to me as WOZ. Its a crazy market.

Jeff AMN · « **Reply #24 on:** August 22, 2011, 02:40:46 pm »

Well TRON is getting a 3rd movie, so Stern will probably get another run on the machines at that time. As for Transformers, I guess they'll keep pumping them out as they're really successful.

Still...I want my Ghostbusters, and I don't care how late it is.

yotsuya · « **Reply #25 on:** August 22, 2011, 02:59:34 pm »

I think the point behind a Wizard of Oz pin is that it'll tap into two potential markets- pinball collectors AND Wizard collectors. There's probably more of the latter than there are the former. Have you seen some of the Wizard of Oz collectables out there? I think the market for this one is older people with disposable income who probably love Oz and grew up with pinball, so the two are a natural fit. It's not a bad move for his first pin.

ChadTower · « **Reply #26 on:** August 22, 2011, 03:10:40 pm »

The point behind the WoZ theme is that they already owned the rights to make coinop amusement games with WoZ characters. It's not like they went out and chose that based on market research.

yotsuya · « **Reply #27 on:** August 22, 2011, 03:23:34 pm »

Quote from: ChadTower on August 22, 2011, 03:10:40 pm

The point behind the WoZ theme is that they already owned the rights to make coinop amusement games with WoZ characters. It's not like they went out and chose that based on market research.

True, but I still think their risk is minimal when you factor in the Wizard of Oz collectors market. If my mom had the $$$, she'd probably add this pin to her collectable dolls, plates, and other crap. If they made a Gone With the Wind pin, I GUARANTEE she'd buy it.

ChadTower · « **Reply #28 on:** August 22, 2011, 03:33:13 pm »

Quote from: yotsuya on August 22, 2011, 03:23:34 pm

True, but I still think their risk is minimal when you factor in the Wizard of Oz collectors market. If my mom had the $$$, she'd probably add this pin to her collectable dolls, plates, and other crap. If they made a Gone With the Wind pin, I GUARANTEE she'd buy it.

Nobody ever succeeded by developing over the top niche products to the desires of consumers who don't have the money to buy them.

Watch, the next game will be Deal or No Deal.

Jeff AMN · « **Reply #29 on:** August 22, 2011, 03:55:35 pm »

Quote from: pinballjim on August 22, 2011, 03:14:18 pm

And doesn't 'Captain Jack' claim that Wizard of Oz has been a successful redemption piece? Might be using that same bonehead logic that success in one area of coinop means guaranteed success in another... that's why we got stuck with Wheel of Fortune and Big Buck Hunter...

I have a 2 yr. old, so we go play redemption games often. I've yet to see one of those Wizard of Oz machines. I'd like to, but maybe they don't get out West.

RayB · « **Reply #30 on:** August 22, 2011, 04:48:10 pm »

Quote from: pinballjim on August 22, 2011, 03:14:18 pm

And doesn't 'Captain Jack' claim that Wizard of Oz has been a successful redemption piece?

Doesn't he pretty much *have* to say that? If it was a flop, you don't go announcing it to potential buyers of the pin. "Yeah, our redemption game sucked ass, but we'll do much better with it as a pinball, promise!"

A good marketer spins the truth to create whatever reality they need.

TOK · « **Reply #31 on:** August 22, 2011, 07:32:37 pm »

Quote from: RayB on August 22, 2011, 04:48:10 pm

Quote from: pinballjim on August 22, 2011, 03:14:18 pm
And doesn't 'Captain Jack' claim that Wizard of Oz has been a successful redemption piece?
Doesn't he pretty much *have* to say that? If it was a flop, you don't go announcing it to potential buyers of the pin. "Yeah, our redemption game sucked ass, but we'll do much better with it as a pinball, promise!"

A good marketer spins the truth to create whatever reality they need.

I read something about the Wizard of Oz slot machine being the most popular slot Williams has ever made. Maybe Jersey Jack thought that same popularity would carry over to pinball.

ChadTower · « **Reply #32 on:** August 22, 2011, 08:54:47 pm »

Quote from: TOK on August 22, 2011, 07:32:37 pm

I read something about the Wizard of Oz slot machine being the most popular slot Williams has ever made. Maybe Jersey Jack thought that same popularity would carry over to pinball.

Jersey Jack had better get to work on the software for a 6 figure progressive jackpot, then.

Donkbaca · « **Reply #33 on:** August 22, 2011, 10:28:53 pm »

Success in one coin-op area leading to success in another... How about a coke pin that dispenses sodas!!!!

Nephasth · « **Reply #34 on:** August 22, 2011, 10:38:50 pm »

Quote from: Donkbaca on August 22, 2011, 10:28:53 pm

Success in one coin-op area leading to success in another... How about a coke pin that dispenses sodas!!!!

Skittles anyone?

Donkbaca · « **Reply #35 on:** August 23, 2011, 02:17:58 am »

Good idea, but if it dispensed soda, it'd be a winner

ChadTower · « **Reply #36 on:** August 23, 2011, 07:39:12 am »

Quote from: pinballjim on August 22, 2011, 11:42:23 pm

Sega did a couple of EM games that gave you a packet of crackers.

http://www.pinrepair.com/arcade/stuntca.htm

And every now and then a dead mouse!

Donkbaca · « **Reply #37 on:** August 23, 2011, 11:25:58 am »

Well those pinball machines that let you use a gumball instead of the pinball are successful..

Q*Bert_OP · « **Reply #38 on:** August 23, 2011, 11:54:38 am »

Quote from: Donkbaca on August 23, 2011, 11:25:58 am

Well those pinball machines that let you use a gumball instead of the pinball are successful..

Yep. And there's few parts to break, and low/no maintenance.


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Author Topic: STERN TRANSFORMERS (Read 11091 times)

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