Thanks Dan, I did just that, and found my answer, mostly I had hypertheme 1.0 and that was the main issue, I upgraded to 1.1.5 and now I have my MariCab default theme:) But thanks for the reply:) any help is always Super:) the more I play with hyperspin the more I see why its sooooooooo popular..... can make it look almost anyway you want:)