Mounting Hardware for Coin Door

[Mrephunk]

I need to find mounting hardware to mount the coin door to the cabinet and am having trouble. I'm not even sure what to call those little clips that hold the frame to the cab. Can anyone please help me?

[korbitz]

http://www.happcontrols.com/coindoors/812405000.htm

Lots of parts on this page, i think the clamps are called clamp screws, though i might be wrong, page dont have pictures

[Mrephunk]

Yea but with happ shipping costs I on't want to blind order

[scream1973]

Ask Divemaster he sells alot of Happ stuff .

[Donkbaca]

I would just check home depot

[bkenobi]

If you can find the correct screws, you can use any metal (or probably wood for that matter) bracket to clamp the coin door in place.  Those clamps are nothing special from what I remember.

[Nephasth]

You could probably use toggle bolts with the bolt going through the "nut" backwards.

[bkenobi]

I wouldn't go through the effort of cutting down the bolt.  You'll end up paying more for something you're just going to modify than you would just getting the right parts in the first place.  The toggle part would be useful, but the bolt is not.  Heck, you could even find some fender washers if you can't find a metal bracket that's suitable.

[Mrephunk]

I think I'm gonna try to use these http://www.amazon.com/Steel-Nut--20-Pack-100/dp/B000FMWTRK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1307084808&sr=8-1

[milkit]

I think I'm gonna try to use these http://www.amazon.com/Steel-Nut--20-Pack-100/dp/B000FMWTRK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1307084808&sr=8-1

ya... those probably wont work.

[bkenobi]

The coin door is attached with a bolt/screw that threads into the back of the door frame and clamps itself to the cabinet via brackets that act as clamps.  Those clips you have selected are meant to thread onto the end of a bolt to provide the clamping force when tightened (I think they are supposed to slip over the edge of a thin part as well).  While they would probably work for what you want to do, I suspect t hey will be overdesigned for the task.  Yes, you can probably get them to work, but I'd still try to find a fender washer at your local hardware store.  It should work well for you.  The only problem might be that it could overhang into the door area which would limit access (especially if you are trying to use a coin box).  That can be fixed with a grinder or break though.

If you can find a small bracket (hardware stores will carry these as well), you wouldn't need to modify anything.  The only down side is that they will likely be a bit more pricey than the washer.

Both Home Depot and Lowes will sell similar stuff, but this is what I was thinking:
http://www.lowes.com/pd_315712-1277-DPB118_4294934474__?productId=3169853

They sell these type of brackets in a 4 pack for cheap.

Here's an example fender washer:
http://www.lowes.com/pd_2769-37672-35014_0__?productId=3030014

That one is a 30 pack, but you might be able to get a smaller pack for less money and perhaps even the right size.   

[Nephasth]

I wouldn't go through the effort of cutting down the bolt.

Yes, you can probably get them to work, but I'd still try to find a fender washer at your local hardware store.  It should work well for you.  The only problem might be that it could overhang into the door area which would limit access (especially if you are trying to use a coin box).  That can be fixed with a grinder or break though.

A little confused why shortening a bolt isn't worth the effort, but grinding a washer is...

[bkenobi]

Threads...  I've shortened bolts before and it is possible, but there are a couple problems with it.  First of all, if you bugger the threads up, you can't get a nut started.  In this case you have a cast coin door to thread into.  If you crossthread that, you are screwed...or not so much I guess.  Second, and less of an issue here, you are cutting through the coating.  Zinc coating helps prevent rusting in a low corrosive environment.  If the end of the bolt has it's coating removed, it's technically possible that you will see rust form there quicker than an uncut bolt.  If you rust the bolt into the coin door, you will not be taking it off without a grinder.

Also, I said that the washer might get in the way if a coin box is used.  If not, then no need to grind.

Beyond that, that clip is designed to thread onto the bolt.  It requires being placed in the right position on the bolt for it to hold the door securely.  That may be a challenge in the first place, but beyond that, the clip is relatively thin and probably won't make the coin door truly secure anyway.

You can make bailing wire work too!

[Donkbaca]

just use wood glue and glue it in place

[Nephasth]

Threads...  I've shortened bolts before and it is possible, but there are a couple problems with it.  First of all, if you bugger the threads up, you can't get a nut started.  In this case you have a cast coin door to thread into.  If you crossthread that, you are screwed...or not so much I guess.  Second, and less of an issue here, you are cutting through the coating.  Zinc coating helps prevent rusting in a low corrosive environment.  If the end of the bolt has it's coating removed, it's technically possible that you will see rust form there quicker than an uncut bolt.  If you rust the bolt into the coin door, you will not be taking it off without a grinder.

A few tips:
1) When cutting a bolt/screw/threaded fastener, have a nut on the fastener end you plan on keeping. Then after cutting the fastener, take the nut off. The threads will be restored. If you can't make a straight cut free-hand, use another nut on the fastener to use as a guide for your cut.
2) If you are worried about rust, as a preventative measure, paint the cut with rustoleum.
3) If you run across a bolt that is rusted to a nut or in a threaded blind hole, soak that ---smurfette--- with some Panther Piss.
4) Never force a fastener into a threaded hole. If it doesn't turn easily by hand for the first few turns, tap the hole out. Proper thread engagement... it feels better than sex!

As for the toggle "nuts", since they are threaded and a fastener needs to be threaded into the coin door, it would make sense to get a toggle "nut" with a hole larger in diameter than the fastener needed for the hole in the coin door. Place the "open" end of the toggle "nut" against the coin door and cabinet, effectively utilizing the toggle "nut" as a clamp.

You can make bailing wire work too!

just use wood glue and glue it in place

The fender washer idea would work. The first thing that came to my mind was something about the same shape as the original hardware. But there is always more than one way to skin a cat.