jamma+ kick harness TMNT kanomi players3/4

[runawayabc123]

I got the kanomi players 3/4 kick harness for my TMNT board and the connector doesn't fit on the pins.  On the connector, the ground hole is a little too close to the next hole (it isn't evenly spaced like the rest), infact none of the pins line up great to the hole.  They just don't match perfect.  I got them from jamma boards.  Not impressed.  I also have to create my own ground extension as they just included one quick diconnect on the end of the ground wire for it.  Should have made my own, totally not worth it. 

Do I just encourage it to go on?  Or should I cut my loses before risking my TMNT pcb? 

Side question: my TMNT game's screen says TMNT, but I saw a picture on ebay of one that was TMHT (H for heros instead).  What is the deal with that? 

[Nephasth]

I think Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles is what they were called in Japan.

EDIT: Nevermind, found this on wikipedia:

Upon TMNT's first arrival in the United Kingdom, Ireland, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Poland, Austria, Germany, and some other countries in Europe, the name was changed to "Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles" (or TMHT, for short), since local censorship policies deemed the word ninja to have excessively violent connotations for a children's program (in Ireland, however, the first season aired as "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" before changing to "Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles").[34] Consequently, everything related to the Turtles had to be renamed before being released in these nations (comic books, video games, toys, etc.) The lyrics were also changed, such as changing "Splinter taught them to be ninja teens" to the "Splinter taught them to be fighting teens."

Didn't realize "ninja" was such a dangerous word...

[runawayabc123]

I forgot to add, the quick disconnects didn't have rubber covers either.  (Unlike the pictures of all of the other extra harnesses... the kanomi one didn't have a pic.) 

[runawayabc123]

Went to a local radio shack and computer parts store.  Couldn't turn up any other options as they had nothing (I was hoping for a bunch of 1 pin connectors). 

I emailed jammaboards; we'll see what they have to say. 

Any other ideas?

[MonMotha]

The Molex 0.1" KK series should fit on to the PCB side connector just fine, and it's readily available.

[runawayabc123]

The Molex 0.1" KK series should fit on to the PCB side connector just fine, and it's readily available.

Where would I find them at? 

I did some other searching and it looks like you can get the connector and contacts here:
http://search.digikey.com/scripts/dksearch/dksus.dll?pname&WT.z_cid=ref_octopart_dkc_buynow&site=us&lang=en&name=455-2212-ND
http://search.digikey.com/scripts/dksearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=455-1135-1-ND

But the connector is back ordered until 15-Jul-11. 

[MonMotha]

TMNT should have the JST "VH" series connectors on the PCB.  These are next to impossible to find outside of Japan, but the Molex KK series will fit just fine.  The connector you linked is the JST "XH" series, which isn't really compatible.  Digi-Key should also have the KK series from Molex.  I don't remember off-hand how many positions you need, otherwise I'd give you exact part numbers.  Mouser should also have them, and Fry's Electronics stocks them in-store if you have one nearby.

[runawayabc123]

TMNT should have the JST "VH" series connectors on the PCB.  These are next to impossible to find outside of Japan, but the Molex KK series will fit just fine.  The connector you linked is the JST "XH" series, which isn't really compatible.  Digi-Key should also have the KK series from Molex.  I don't remember off-hand how many positions you need, otherwise I'd give you exact part numbers.  Mouser should also have them, and Fry's Electronics stocks them in-store if you have one nearby.

Are you sure about the VH series?  I did a search and got that it has a 3.96mm pitch and only 11 pins (whereas I would need 15 to cover all of the pins). 
http://www.jst-mfg.com/product/detail_e.php?series=262

I know the one I listed clips in, but on my board there are no clips.  So, not really right, but should work/fit. 

[MonMotha]

I'm sorry, I meant NH.  That's a 2.5mm series.  The Molex KK is 2.54mm (0.1"), but it's close enough, and mechanically very compatible.  I don't think the XH connectors will even fit on the "blade" style pins used by NH series headers.

[runawayabc123]

These: http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?vendor=0&keywords=H15P-SHF-AA-ND
Lead time 11-Aug-11.     

MIN ORDER 200!!!  (That is like 2 more than I need, rats.  End sarcasm.) 

Group buy? 

I'd be willing to buy them if I could find enough interest to cover most of the cost.  Figure $3each with contacts (1 connector and 15 contacts and I'll have to see if I can sneak it in snail mail for a stamp) and maybe enough interest for 40-50 of them or so.  (Only puts me out around ~$50 total after all of the parts and 2 shipping directions and a bunch of parts in a box to save forever.)  I'll have to noodle on this. 

[MonMotha]

I told you.  Don't even think about trying to buy the actual connector unless you're in Japan (in which case RS-Online stocks it).  Last I checked, JST was out of them, so nobody in the USA could even get them at all. 

The Molex KK series fits *JUST FINE*, is cheap as all get out, and very readily available.

Molex P/N 10-11-2153 is the 15 position housing (about a dollar each in qty. 1), and 08-55-0102 is a nice gold-plated contact (about 30 cents each in qty 10+).

[runawayabc123]

The Molex KK series fits *JUST FINE*, is cheap as all get out, and very readily available.

Molex P/N 10-11-2153 is the 15 position housing (about a dollar each in qty. 1), and 08-55-0102 is a nice gold-plated contact (about 30 cents each in qty 10+).

I can't find a source for Molex KK 3pin connectors that admit to being 2.54mm (found many smaller and larger) yet... still searching.  Feel free to share one.  I have found some 2 pin ones. 

As for the 15pin housing, can you please explain to me how the one from jammaboards.com with a 2.54mm pitch doesn't work and this one will?  Now, I am NOT saying they can't be encouraged on and work ok (I'll point back to the original post about that).   

What I have found is this:
http://www.giz10p.co.uk/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=248
16pin jst-nh connector (still need contacts, but I can find those).  I think these look promising.  Still a min order of 10pounds, but better than $200 and waiting. 

[runawayabc123]

Found another site in country that has them instock!  Min order is also qty200.  Hollow victory. 

[MonMotha]

The 2.54mm (0.1") Molex KK series should be available and stocked at any major components distributor.  It's an insanely common connector.  I'm not sure where you got that I was saying only ones from certain distributors would work.

Why do you need a 3 pin connector?  I thought you had said these were 15 pin.  Anyway, the 3 pin housing would be Molex P/N 10-11-2033.

If you wish to buy the exact connector, feel free.  I'd love to do so, but I'm not willing to shell out for such a high minimum order if I only need a couple when something that will work just fine is readily available.  I'm a fan of keeping things "ideal" where feasible, but it just seems so unnecessary in this case.  You can buy whatever you want.  I'm just trying to give you a VERY readily available alternative that will work quite well.

[runawayabc123]

I don't know why I thought you suggested a 3pin connector.  I just did. 

Back to more Interntz searching. 

[runawayabc123]

http://www.molex.com/molex/products/datasheet.jsp?part=active/0022012151_CRIMP_HOUSINGS.xml&channel=Products&langPref=english
http://www.molex.com/molex/products/datasheet.jsp?part=active/0022012155_CRIMP_HOUSINGS.xml&channel=Products&langPref=english
http://www.molex.com/molex/products/datasheet.jsp?part=active/0022012157_CRIMP_HOUSINGS.xml&channel=Products&langPref=english

Which one do you suggest?  The middle is keyed (not needed) and the last is a "friction" ramp?  The first?

Then contacts... too many choices.  I get to pick of several styles (1st/3rd) and the metal type.  Suggestions again? 

Thanks. 

[MonMotha]

I gave some part numbers earlier in the thread that should work pretty well.  They're also the most common things you'll see when people sell a "KK series" connector with no other information.

The locking ramp, polarization key, etc. are all irrelevant in this case.  If present, they won't engage anything, but they also won't get in the way.

As for pins, you have to get the kind that doesn't try to "wrap around" the post but rather just press up against it with the housing holding the other side of the post.  This is again the most common style.

[runawayabc123]

Molex P/N 10-11-2153 is the 15 position housing (about a dollar each in qty. 1), and 08-55-0102 is a nice gold-plated contact (about 30 cents each in qty 10+).

When I first looked at these, I made the mistake of looking at the picture, which wasn't a 15pin connector.  Thanks for putting up with all of the questions and sometimes poor reading skills. 

Anyways, I was going to order, but the connector is a KK7880 series and the contacts are KK2759 series.  They aren't listed as compatiable on digikey's site.  What am I missing?  Are these just the parts you have to use to "make it work"?

[MonMotha]

Hum, indeed.  That housing is from the "high pressure" line which I don't think works with those JST NH series.  Unfortunately it looks like the standard KK series only goes up to 12 positions.  I don't think I've ever had to deal with an NH any larger.

You can try that "high pressure" lineup.  The corresponding contact would be a Molex P/N 08-50-0005.  It's tough for me to tell if it'll fit or not.  It's made very similarly to the NH series stuff.  You could give it a shot.  You're out <$10 if it doesn't work.

If you do end up having to order those NH housings, RS-Online JP stocks them, but they only ship within Japan, so you'll need to use a deputy service or have a friend in Japan.  You may be able to find some in Europe somewhere.  JST Europe will sample some to you if you have a valid business.  I checked a few months ago, and this series was essentially non-existent within the US other than the 3 position housing and contacts in stock at Digi-Key.

[runawayabc123]

Well, I ended up biting on one of the min orders and buying the correct connectors (I needed to place another order based on suggestions from MonMotha, what a helpful poster, THANKS!).  After I have verified that they work, I will have a few extras, but just a few.     I also got an original jamma+ harness with players 3/4 on it to confirm they are correct.  I also have a couple boards to test them on between me and a friend. 

[runawayabc123]

Ok, so the connectors+contacts are good and work.   

And I have a few extras too.   

[krick]

Bob Roberts sells pre-made JAMMA kick harnesses...

http://homearcade.org/BBBB/plus.html

...he also has just about every kind of common connector you'd find in an arcade cabinet.

[MonMotha]

Amazingly, Bob doesn't have any of this stuff.  The only part of that kick harness kit that might be useful is the control panel side but only as some wire with pre-crimped QDs.  There aren't enough signals on it for a full set of controls for 2 players (4 player CP), either.  It's built as a kick harness only.

[krick]

This isn't what you need?...

http://homearcade.org/BBBB/konami.html

[MonMotha]

Yes, but that's not what you linked to

I'm also not sure it has the "proper" connector, but I'm sure it has a compatible one.

[runawayabc123]

That link shows you what you need, but if you follow it, you get to the part with the 15pin connector that "stays with the pcb" which you never get with the pcb.  On my original harness, it is so wrapped and zipped tied together, it is easy to mistake as hard wired to the harness with the other players wires. 

So, you look up Bob Robert's connectors and they are all .100" instead of .098" which over 15 pins will no longer fit.  Over 4 pins, the difference doesn't matter.  It adds up around pins 13 and out.  13, 14 and 15 for sure needed a bit of bending to be even close, so I never was able to fully fit the connector.  I wasn't going to bend pins on my boards. 

Bob Roberts does sell one listed for konami, but since none of his parts are .098" I don't know if it will work or not.  Mine from jamma boards was listed as/for konami specifically and didn't work.  (They let me return it, which was nice of them.)  I was told the olders boards needed the .098" and no real indication of when a change happened.