How to identify pushbuttons..?

[dextercf]

Hi guys!

I'm curious to how I can identify the pushbuttons I just got.
They where sold as "Happ Pushbuttons", but how can I really tell they are when I have no comparison?


These are the buttons I got..

[Dazz]

The ones I pulled off my old X-Arcade unit look just like those.  If so then the buttons aren't bad, but I didn't like the X-gaming switches at all.

[Nephasth]

Those look like HAPP/IL buttons to me...

[mgb]

IL's have the logo in raised lettering on one of the legs that hold the micro switch.

I do see alot of x-arcade black buttons for sale on ebay, etc.

Happs usually come with white cherry switches. The buttons you've got probably feel just as good as Happs, just change the micros if needed.

[dextercf]

As suspected..
I had a feeling these might be those x-arcade stuff and not original happs.

I had happ's last time i played with MAME (2002 or so), and they didn't feel this loose (if thats a good description).

[dextercf]

I checked out the buttons again today, and took some photos. I think they speak for them selves..


left is probably fake, right is Happ.. ?



Same here. Probably fake to the left, happ to right?



These are the switches which came with these..


I also got two joysticks trough ebay, from a vendor called amusemame.com (different username tho).
They are supposed to be Happ Super, can somebody give me a comparison picture?



These joysticks feel so bad i don't even wanna use them while I wait for new ones.. Kinda gave me a downer on the whole project, made me do other ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- this weekend, just checking them out.

[mgb]

The problem with those sticks? They aren't Sanwa JLWs 

[boardjunkie]

Clickety clack buttons are clickety clack buttons. Who cares what the logo is? They likely come from the same factory that puts whatever name on them you want. The switches are the main factor in determining the feel. I personally hate everything microswitch, but I'm old school. Oh yea...now pull up yer pants, put yer hat on right and GIT OFFA MAH LAWN!!!

[dextercf]

Clickety clack buttons are clickety clack buttons. Who cares what the logo is? They likely come from the same factory that puts whatever name on them you want. The switches are the main factor in determining the feel. I personally hate everything microswitch, but I'm old school. Oh yea...now pull up yer pants, put yer hat on right and GIT OFFA MAH LAWN!!!

Thanks for the help, really!

The problem with those sticks? They aren't Sanwa JLWs 

The problem with the sticks is that they are really loose. The distance it needs to travel before switches are being pushed is too long and the diagonals are really hard to do (small area where both switches are pushed).
Other problem with the sticks are that the switches are not the same as pictured in the ebay advert, and the finish of the product is more like they are refurbished/used than new ones. And when the seller was confronted with this, they told me I could get a refund AND keep the joysticks.
Either thats REALLY good customer service or they trying to cover up some bad buisness by being too nice.

What you guys think?
And do anyone have pics of an actuall Happ Super joystick to compare?

[Donkbaca]

Turn the actuator upside down,it could be in 4 way mode. I wouldn't worry about the buttons I think zippy micros is what happ is using now that cherry stopped making switches. That is the same style as a super. Like I said try turning the actuator over. Chances are if you don't like this stick, you won't like supers either

[mgb]

Yeah it does look like a super but alot of sticks look like supers.
you can tweak the micros alittle if you'd like to get a better feel. you can bend the metal tabs alittle, just a little.

[armi0024]

OK, first off the josyticks, not ours, we bought some of those to test but they really aren't any good.  It's not the microswitches, it's the inside too.  If those are the ones we evaluated they tend to clunk when you move them.  You can switch the micros out of lighter ones, but I would agree they are depressing to use.  I personally wouldn't use those joysticks and they can be depressing.  We sell IL Compacts(same and Happ Supers) on the website for 9.95, I would say those are a better bet. The company that you bought that product from has items labeled as "Happ" that are not even produced by or sold by Happ.

Ok, second the buttons, I wish we had heard about this...
We bought out the remaining stock of these buttons and they were shipped directly from Hanaho Games. They arrived in sealed paper taped Happ boxes that had not been tampered with(single layer of uncut paper tape).  Inside there were two micros and two buttons groups.  The micros that they arrived with were all Cherry's.  Happ model Cherry's.  We bought these with the intent of using it to stock Cherry microswitches, which is why we repackaged the buttons with Zippy's, we also wanted to push the 20g Zippy's that we have to get people to try them out.  If we sold these with Cherry's(not the e-switches currently used by Happ, or the Zippy's we put on) we would not be selling them for 12 for 12.

I was really concerned by these posts when I was made aware of them.  I bought a ton of these buttons.  I went back and opened two more boxes to see what was going on, and all the boxes have the unlabeled buttons above.  I have been assured that Hanaho never dealt in any buttons other than Happ buttons.  However, there was a point when the button production was moved to China, and the age of these buttons would put it at that time frame.  I am not sure if that matters, and I will wait to hear back on this issue.  

If there is a concern about the quality of the buttons, we are fine taking them back, and/or exchanging them.  As for the joysticks, I would not use that model.

BTW... pictures of IL Compacts (not exactly Happy supers, but similar):

[ponyboy]

Brian, is 100% correct on the pushbuttons.

The pushbuttons that you purchased from Paradise Arcade Shop are 100% Happ Controls Pushbuttons.  These pushbuttons were purchased from Happ in a large lot of 5,000 + units.  These pushbuttons were shipped direct from Happ and not one box was tampered with. The pushbuttons without the marking are one of the first lots that were made in China during the transition time between iL and Happ. They did not put their marking on the first lot of pushbuttons.

Ponyboy

[RandyT]

The pushbuttons without the marking are one of the first lots that were made in China during the transition time between iL and Happ. They did not put their marking on the first lot of pushbuttons.

The problem with mixing and matching these is that the Suzo/Happ labeled buttons have a different actuation point than the unmarked buttons.  The unmarked ones (which may or may not be made in China, btw, as there was a significant US production of Happ parts which look just like those) are just about in contact with the switch actuator in the up position, whereas the Suzo/Happ branded button has about .050" of space in-between.

[armi0024]

Thank you for confirming the authenticity of the buttons Randy.  We appreciate the confirmation of those both being Happ.

As these came in sealed Happ boxes were not expecting these to be a mixed lot. But as is the case with all our items, if there is an issue we are happy to correct the concerns.  From what we can tell only one box was a mixed lot and the rest all over the shorter, more sensitive actuation length.  We measure it as about .015 and .045.

Mahalo,
Bryan

[dextercf]

OK, first off the josyticks, not ours, we bought some of those to test but they really aren't any good.  It's not the microswitches, it's the inside too.  If those are the ones we evaluated they tend to clunk when you move them.  You can switch the micros out of lighter ones, but I would agree they are depressing to use.  I personally wouldn't use those joysticks and they can be depressing.  We sell IL Compacts(same and Happ Supers) on the website for 9.95, I would say those are a better bet. The company that you bought that product from has items labeled as "Happ" that are not even produced by or sold by Happ.

The vendor of the joysticks where notified by giving a negative feedback on ebay, they (seller) reply with about 17 emails trying to have me pull the negative feedback. As I responded to their request we agreed that the joysticks to be refunded and I was to keep them.
I haven't got the refund yet, and the feedback is still there.
The sticks would probably never  end up in use, as they are pretty much as you describes armi0024, depressing!


Now, about the buttons.
Thanks guys, for the excellent information which makes this all clear.
And I would allso like to appologies to Paradise Arcade if they feel I have pulled shade over their buisness, this has to be said; That was not my intention!
I dunno if it was the 3 pieces of chocolate or how quick I got the order, but I can't see why you guys are to blame on anything..

I would love to come back and buy (perhaps new joysticks) from you guys anytime soon!

[D_Harris]

OK, first off the josyticks, not ours, we bought some of those to test but they really aren't any good.  It's not the microswitches, it's the inside too.  If those are the ones we evaluated they tend to clunk when you move them.  You can switch the micros out of lighter ones, but I would agree they are depressing to use.  I personally wouldn't use those joysticks and they can be depressing.  We sell IL Compacts(same and Happ Supers) on the website for 9.95, I would say those are a better bet. The company that you bought that product from has items labeled as "Happ" that are not even produced by or sold by Happ.

The vendor of the joysticks where notified by giving a negative feedback on ebay, they (seller) reply with about 17 emails trying to have me pull the negative feedback. As I responded to their request we agreed that the joysticks to be refunded and I was to keep them.
I haven't got the refund yet, and the feedback is still there.
The sticks would probably never  end up in use, as they are pretty much as you describes armi0024, depressing!


Now, about the buttons.
Thanks guys, for the excellent information which makes this all clear.
And I would allso like to appologies to Paradise Arcade if they feel I have pulled shade over their buisness, this has to be said; That was not my intention!
I dunno if it was the 3 pieces of chocolate or how quick I got the order, but I can't see why you guys are to blame on anything..

I would love to come back and buy (perhaps new joysticks) from you guys anytime soon!

Why would you be so fast to leave negative feedback. Particularly after the seller offered you a refund and the option of keeping the joystick?

And who was the eBay seller?

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

[dextercf]

Why would you be so fast to leave negative feedback. Particularly after the seller offered you a refund and the option of keeping the joystick?

And who was the eBay seller?

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

The feedback was left when i recieved a product not similar to the one I bought off the auction (picture and information was wrong!).
Only moments after I left the feedback the seller reacted by spamming me with requests to pull the feedback and figure out our problems.

We agreed upon the refund and that I could keep the joystick, I also agreed to pull the feedback when I recieved the refund.
I am still waiting for the refund and the seller does not anymore reply to mails or messages (at ebay).

I believe to be a reasonable person. But like most, I don't like to get ripped off.
The name of the seller I'd rather not tell, as I'm still wanting that refund. Also it's not fair, at this point of time.

[eds1275]

I agree. I have had similar experiences with ebay, including having something similar to what I ordered showing up, nothing showing at all, and even once a completely wrong product. Dropping a negative really shows you mean business, and if they sort the errors out then that's good, you can remove that blemish from their history. I also agree with not giving up the sellers' name if you think there's hope of resolving this - things happen and mistakes are made, but if everything works out in the end it's best to not blow the whistle prematurely.

[mgb]

Ebay's always hit or miss.
fortunately we have guys like Ultimarc, Groovy Game gear and Paradise Arcade around that we can trust.

I used to order from one on Ebay, named gumby. He was very good.

[dextercf]

fortunately we have guys like Ultimarc, Groovy Game gear and Paradise Arcade around that we can trust.

I allso got great stuff from arcadeshop.de
Wanted to try them out, cos they are closer to me (faster shipping).

Ebay's always hit or miss.

You allways have to take that to account, especially when buying something posted as cheaper than average rate..
Smells fishy = probably IS fishy!

I agree. I have had similar experiences with ebay, including having something similar to what I ordered showing up, nothing showing at all, and even once a completely wrong product. Dropping a negative really shows you mean business, and if they sort the errors out then that's good, you can remove that blemish from their history. I also agree with not giving up the sellers' name if you think there's hope of resolving this - things happen and mistakes are made, but if everything works out in the end it's best to not blow the whistle prematurely.

If nothing happens soon, i'll "blow the whistle" so that no more get fooled by this seller.
The feedback system is there for a reason.

[D_Harris]

Why would you be so fast to leave negative feedback. Particularly after the seller offered you a refund and the option of keeping the joystick?

And who was the eBay seller?

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

The feedback was left when i recieved a product not similar to the one I bought off the auction (picture and information was wrong!).
Only moments after I left the feedback the seller reacted by spamming me with requests to pull the feedback and figure out our problems.

We agreed upon the refund and that I could keep the joystick, I also agreed to pull the feedback when I recieved the refund.
I am still waiting for the refund and the seller does not anymore reply to mails or messages (at ebay).

I believe to be a reasonable person. But like most, I don't like to get ripped off.
The name of the seller I'd rather not tell, as I'm still wanting that refund. Also it's not fair, at this point of time.

What I'm saying is that you gave little time to let the seller rectify the situation before you left a negative, which was shortly after he told you he would give you a refund.

The quick negative is a reason the seller may not think you will remove the feedback if he refunds you and let's you keep the item.

You obviously have dismissed any possibility that the seller(like a lot of ebayers may not be at all familiar with the products he sells) sent you the wrong item in error, and the seller is probably thinking that they're not gonna want to look stupid when you don't remove the negative after they give you a refund and let you keep the item.

Sellers blacklist those who are quick on the trigger.

Just saying...

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

[dextercf]

What I'm saying is that you gave little time to let the seller rectify the situation before you left a negative, which was shortly after he told you he would give you a refund.

The quick negative is a reason the seller may not think you will remove the feedback if he refunds you and let's you keep the item.

You obviously have dismissed any possibility that the seller(like a lot of ebayers may not be at all familiar with the products he sells) sent you the wrong item in error, and the seller is probably thinking that they're not gonna want to look stupid when you don't remove the negative after they give you a refund and let you keep the item.

Sellers blacklist those who are quick on the trigger.

Just saying...

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

The item I got was a copy of the product I wanted to buy.
It was not even similar to the picture of the object I thought I was about to buy.
There can not have been a mistake like you suggest, that they sent the wrong item.

It's like thinking your getting a Hugo Boss t-shirt, but when you take a closer look you see it reads Huge Bass instead..
In this case, the stick and balltop was of pore quality cast&material. And the switches didn't even have the same color as in the photo
It's piracy and not right!

[D_Harris]

What I'm saying is that you gave little time to let the seller rectify the situation before you left a negative, which was shortly after he told you he would give you a refund.

The quick negative is a reason the seller may not think you will remove the feedback if he refunds you and let's you keep the item.

You obviously have dismissed any possibility that the seller(like a lot of ebayers may not be at all familiar with the products he sells) sent you the wrong item in error, and the seller is probably thinking that they're not gonna want to look stupid when you don't remove the negative after they give you a refund and let you keep the item.

Sellers blacklist those who are quick on the trigger.

Just saying...

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

The item I got was a copy of the product I wanted to buy.
It was not even similar to the picture of the object I thought I was about to buy.
There can not have been a mistake like you suggest, that they sent the wrong item.

It's like thinking your getting a Hugo Boss t-shirt, but when you take a closer look you see it reads Huge Bass instead..
In this case, the stick and balltop was of pore quality cast&material. And the switches didn't even have the same color as in the photo
It's piracy and not right!

Yes. Like I said, you dismissed the possibility that it was an error. (I'm not disputing that).

But you left that negative after he said he'd give you a refund, but before you actually got it...

(Don't hold your breath anticipating that you will receive it now).

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

[dextercf]

No, your wrong.. (why do I care, erghhh..)

This is the order of apearance:

• "Win" auction.
• Recieve goods.
• Leave feedback.
• Get spammed with requests to pull feedback.
• Agree to feedback being pulled when refund is recieved.
• Seller not answering mails or messages within ebay.com and no refund is recieved

This is how it happened, and now we wait.
Guess i'm gonna give them til the end of this week.

[D_Harris]

How am I wrong when I'm just going by what you said initially?

In the 9th post you said,
"And when the seller was confronted with this, they told me I could get a refund AND keep the joysticks.
Either thats REALLY good customer service or they trying to cover up some bad buisness by being too nice."

But you changed that slightly for the 16th post.
"The vendor of the joysticks where notified by giving a negative feedback on ebay, they (seller) reply with about 17 emails trying to have me pull the negative feedback. As I responded to their request we agreed that the joysticks to be refunded and I was to keep them."

Nevertheless, good luck with your refund.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

[clutch]

The last thing I want to do is anger someone who is holding my money.

[dextercf]

The last thing I want to do is anger someone who is holding my money.

Well, a honest feedback is what they live by.
Anyways, it was only about $10. Guess I should have known it would be a bad product and not the original stuff.

SITUATION SOLVED, everyone can go home.