How are these 4/8 way red ball joysticks?

[Osirus23]

http://www.twistedquarter.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=5&products_id=499&zenid=jplm32o5m238g32pqv1uorbqj7

Has anyone used these?

Made the mistake of buying Happ Ultimate's before without doing my homework, don't want a repeat of that.

[VanillaGorilla]

if you like a physically restricted 4-way for pac man and such, they aren't bad. I've had one for years, and really like it for DK. Only drawback: its pretty short. Knowing what I know now, I would go with a seimitsu LS-32 (2/4/8 way physically restricted), or a zippy (which is a longer-handled seimitsu clone). These can be lit, ball tops can be changed easily, also work well as 2 or 8 ways, etc. I haven't seen any reports on the true-4 from groovygamegear, but that looks like a nice option as well.