Author Topic: JERSEY JACK PINBALL (Read 66769 times)

smartbomb2084 · « **on:** January 04, 2011, 05:54:54 pm »

Here is an interesting bit of information for you...

http://www.pinballnews.com/news/jerseyjack.html

pinballjim · « **Reply #1 on:** January 04, 2011, 06:13:29 pm »

This is the same guy that was all, "yeah, I'm not making as much money on those Lord of the Rings as I want to, so you all have to pay an extra $500. And if you post about this on rec.games.pinball I'll cancel your order." Still manages to have a personality cult on there, though.

Be interesting to see what happens...

Jeff AMN · « **Reply #2 on:** January 05, 2011, 06:05:48 pm »

I didn't know the extra $500 was just to give him a bigger cut. Sheesh, that seems a bit high. $100 I could understand, but $500 is a huge mark up.

pinballjim · « **Reply #3 on:** January 06, 2011, 09:50:48 am »

Looks like it was $400....

From RGP:

> Greetings:

> Next week we expect Stern to start shipping our LOTR LE games.

> Due to a price increase way beyond our control we need to get $5399.00
> for each game plus shipping.

> I cannot absorb the increase and I understand that this has been a
> long time in the order-build process. We have already advanced money
> to Stern so they had money to build these games. If you are still in
> and want the game....e mail me back and you will get your game after
> payment of your balance in full.

> If you want out, we will refund your money. If you post this on RGP
> your order will be cancelled and your money will be refunded as this
> is between us and not the whole world.

> Either way, this has been too long, too much time and effort for
> absolutely no money to our company. This really turned into a big
> favor that I'm happy to do to bring the game to our customers. Our
> competitors made plenty of money off of our backs on this title. I
> hope you enjoy the game if you decide to stay in, but this is not
> something that I will do again with Stern.

> I need to know by this Sunday Night at 8 PM Eastern Time either way.
> please e mail me at j...@pinballsales.com or pinballsa...@aol.com. If
> you are in, let me know how you will pay the $400 difference. If you
> are out, Katie will contact you about your refund.

> Best Regards,

> Jack Guarnieri

> www.Pinballsales.com.

Jeff AMN · « **Reply #4 on:** January 06, 2011, 11:54:25 am »

I got that notice and that's actually when I canceled my preorder. The way it's worded makes it look like Stern raised the cost on him, not him raising cost on the customer. That's pretty sneaky, man.

ChadTower · « **Reply #5 on:** January 06, 2011, 12:05:06 pm »

Who raised cost on him doesn't matter in the slightest. Telling you "if you communicate this to the world we will cancel your order" is flat out shady.

pinballjim · « **Reply #6 on:** January 06, 2011, 02:11:27 pm »

Oh well, $5 says Qbert buys this thing sight unseen and then I make a trip to wherever the hell he's living at that time to go play it.

The Elaut Wizard of Oz crane game or whatever the hell is a cosmetic abomination.

http://www.elautusa.com/images/news_11_10/card-game2_.jpg

ChadTower · « **Reply #7 on:** January 06, 2011, 02:27:32 pm »

That doesn't even look like a real picture. High odds on that being a mockup.

We just got an announcement locally of a 150+ vid and 70+ pin arcade opening up next week. It's an hour from me. Maybe they'll get it.

pinballjim · « **Reply #8 on:** January 06, 2011, 02:41:11 pm »

ChadTower · « **Reply #9 on:** January 06, 2011, 03:12:14 pm »

I didn't say the game wasn't produced. It's very common to use a 3D mockup of a product instead of actual photos in advertising materials so they can release promo flyers and stuff way in advance. A tiny company like that? Who knows either way.

The main point we're both making is that thing is fugly.

JMB · « **Reply #10 on:** January 07, 2011, 10:42:37 am »

Quote from: ChadTower on January 06, 2011, 02:27:32 pm

We just got an announcement locally of a 150+ vid and 70+ pin arcade opening up next week. It's an hour from me. Maybe they'll get it.

Where???

Jeff AMN · « **Reply #11 on:** January 07, 2011, 12:05:05 pm »

I really have to wonder how he's going to manage to pull this off. I guess I could listen to the podcast where he gives his interview, but I just haven't had time yet. Is he partnering with a professional designer, or doing this himself? If it's a lone wolf type of project, this thing could take much longer to happen than he's saying it will.

pinballjim · « **Reply #12 on:** January 07, 2011, 12:40:18 pm »

He manufactures crap already for Elaut like, uh gee, the Wizard of Oz coin pusher we're discussing in this thread?

Pinball Wizard · « **Reply #13 on:** January 07, 2011, 06:51:27 pm »

Quote from: Jeff AMN on January 07, 2011, 12:05:05 pm

I really have to wonder how he's going to manage to pull this off. I guess I could listen to the podcast where he gives his interview, but I just haven't had time yet. Is he partnering with a professional designer, or doing this himself? If it's a lone wolf type of project, this thing could take much longer to happen than he's saying it will.

He has Joe Blacer designing the game, same guy to work on Apollo 13, South Park, Simpsons Pinball Party, etc. Apparently he has a year of work already into it, and support from names like Roger Sharpe. He claims many big names are involved.

pinballwizard79 · « **Reply #14 on:** January 08, 2011, 05:55:26 pm »

I checked Snopes, it said BS.

JK

Hopefully Dave the yoke man isnt helping

Whatever happened to that brand new but old EM looking pin that was going to be all over the place?

Q*Bert_OP · « **Reply #15 on:** January 08, 2011, 07:22:54 pm »

Quote from: pinballjim on January 06, 2011, 02:11:27 pm

Oh well, $5 says Qbert buys this thing sight unseen

Not if it looks like that

pinballjim · « **Reply #16 on:** January 09, 2011, 03:35:27 pm »

Quote from: pinballwizard79 on January 08, 2011, 05:55:26 pm

Whatever happened to that brand new but old EM looking pin that was going to be all over the place?

I played that abomination almost 5 years ago and it was "any day now" back then. I may be getting my stories mixed up here, but I seem to recall fondling a miniature mirrored Fireball reproduction backglass and being told Herb Silvers would be reproducing those "any day now" over 10 years ago. Clearly, neither of those days has ever come.

I personally think that unless the originals are selling for $5,000 all day long, there's absolutely no room for a $4,500 reproduction. King of Diamonds is a ~$1,500 game.

Q*Bert_OP · « **Reply #17 on:** January 09, 2011, 03:40:40 pm »

Quote from: pinballjim on January 09, 2011, 03:35:27 pm

I personally think that unless the originals are selling for $5,000 all day long, there's absolutely no room for a $4,500 reproduction. King of Diamonds is a ~$1,500 game.

I think you know who would buy one. KOD is a good game too

pinballjim · « **Reply #18 on:** January 09, 2011, 03:45:32 pm »

Quote from: Q*Bert_24/7 on January 09, 2011, 03:40:40 pm

I think you know who would buy one. KOD is a good game too

It is? I've had one folded up in my garage for months...

Maybe I'll toss it up on its legs. It's complete but the backglass is junk and the head is falling apart....

smartbomb2084 · « **Reply #19 on:** January 20, 2011, 08:13:59 am »

According to www.pinballnews.com

Update:

Jack has now revealed that artist Jerry Vandersteldt will be in charge of the art package for the Wizard of Oz game.

Jerry created the art for one of the best regarded pinballs of recent years with his sumptuously detailed designs for Stern's Lord of the Rings. He subsequently produced the artwork for Stern's Elvis game and now is set to extend his pinball portfolio with Jersey Jack Pinball.

In other developments, the price of Wizard of Oz has been set at $6,500, but that price is only valid for pre-orders made before 1st March 2011, where a $250 refundable deposit is required.

When the pre-order deadline is reached on 1st March, and additional $1,500 deposit is required to continue with the pre-order, otherwise the pre-order lapses and the deposit is returned.

Game bought outside the pre-order process will cost $7,500 - a $1,000 premium over the pre-order price.

Special game serial numbers can be requested, although number up to 120 have already been reserved.

Anyone wishing to place their pre-order for the game should visit the Pinball Sales site and make their payment.

© Pinball News 2011

Xiaou2 · « **Reply #20 on:** January 20, 2011, 08:17:34 pm »

There is always hope... but man, this is pretty ridiculous.

Wizard of Oz? Another Horrible theme Imop. Most likely chosen because he already had the License. Ugg.

If they want to go fairy-tale, they should have gone with something better... like
a Tripped Out "Alice in Wonderland".

Quote

Jerry Vandersteldt

For the 1st time, I decided to look up this guys other works. Some of them are pretty good... but holy hell, they had better do a better job of reproducing them on a pinball. As all non-cartoon sterns look washed out / drab, and super LOW resolution. Totally ruins it.

Id personally prefer to see a Comic artist crew do the art in Pins. Many of the better Comics have mixed media which is simply amazing. Ink, paint and airbrush.
The look is stunning, and stands out much better than the stuff that artists like Jerry does. Much more suited to games... where his stuff is much more suited to movie posters & book covers.

Quote

$7,500

Wow. I have a hard time believing it will live up to that price. Then again, Sterns have been getting away with selling absolute Junk for close to that.

It will be interesting to see what develops regardless.

Harakiri · « **Reply #21 on:** April 27, 2011, 11:48:14 pm »

Quote from: Xiaou2 on January 20, 2011, 08:17:34 pm

There is always hope... but man, this is pretty ridiculous.

Wizard of Oz? Another Horrible theme Imop. Most likely chosen because he already had the License. Ugg.

If they want to go fairy-tale, they should have gone with something better... like
a Tripped Out "Alice in Wonderland".

Quote
Jerry Vandersteldt

For the 1st time, I decided to look up this guys other works. Some of them are pretty good... but holy hell, they had better do a better job of reproducing them on a pinball. As all non-cartoon sterns look washed out / drab, and super LOW resolution. Totally ruins it.

Id personally prefer to see a Comic artist crew do the art in Pins. Many of the better Comics have mixed media which is simply amazing. Ink, paint and airbrush.
The look is stunning, and stands out much better than the stuff that artists like Jerry does. Much more suited to games... where his stuff is much more suited to movie posters & book covers.

Quote
$7,500

Wow. I have a hard time believing it will live up to that price. Then again, Sterns have been getting away with selling absolute Junk for close to that.

It will be interesting to see what develops regardless.

I second his opinion!

It feels reinvigorating to watch a new pinball company born with big names brainstorming for a kick ass pinball machine. Let's just hope they value the old-school techniques of designing a pinball table.

We want old-school fun as opposed to new technology cheapness...

smartbomb2084 · « **Reply #22 on:** May 07, 2011, 09:06:52 am »

http://pinballnews.com/news/jerseyjack5.html

JeepMonkey · « **Reply #23 on:** May 10, 2011, 06:02:30 pm »

I don't know about the buttons. They look a little more toyish rather than good mechanical buttons.

I do like the idea of the witch coming and going as randomized. Maybe when the witch pops up ramdomly, scoring to other targets is shut off, or decreased by half, maybe timers time faster than normal.

pinballwizard79 · « **Reply #24 on:** May 10, 2011, 09:58:20 pm »

This guy already promised a completion date of "2011 holiday season".

All we see so far is a rough unfinished playfield toy. I fear his first ETA will pass & then 1-2 years later this whole project will go into a black hole.

I wouldnt put up a deposit.... but I do hope this goes well & results in a cool machine!

RayB · « **Reply #25 on:** May 11, 2011, 12:19:58 am »

They are doing the classic mistake of seeking too much attention now, rather than shutting up and catching the limelight when they actually have something finished. They talk too much about what they plan or want to do. That's a bad sign. I've seen the same thing from amateur video game developers. Experimenting with toys isn't the hard part. I can't help picturing them ending up with all these separate ideas and prototypes for stuff which they then add up the actual costs for and it turns out each finished pin would end up something like $12,900.

They probably do it because they need pre-orders, but ohhhhhh... it could turn into another RAM Controls so easily!

(AHH, but it's also easy to be an armchair critic.

I'll shut up now.)

smartbomb2084 · « **Reply #26 on:** May 11, 2011, 08:20:12 am »

I don't know if you guys listened to the music sample from the above link but it sure sounds a little like the ADDAM'S FAMILY theme to me and the repetition is somewhat annoying.

pinballjim · « **Reply #27 on:** May 11, 2011, 09:49:37 am »

I hate being the resident hater around here sometimes, but I hate reveal toys. It was awesome one time and that was Addam's Family. There's a few EMs with similar gimmicks and I didn't care for those either.

The witch melts into the playfield. Why does she need a huge ass box around her the whole time?

I dunno, I'm wait and see on this thing. I think dragging in the old guard was a mistake that nearly ran Stern into the ground and I'm skeptical it's going to work this time around.

ChadTower · « **Reply #28 on:** May 11, 2011, 10:23:17 am »

I see this thing easily ending up as "these machines are costing me more than the preorder price to make - preorder price is now up to $10,000 or you can cancel your preorder".

Jeff AMN · « **Reply #29 on:** May 11, 2011, 02:31:36 pm »

I'm all for more players in the game, but I'm starting to feel a little weary of Jersey Jack Pinball as well. They hype is getting out of hand, and it seems that they're shooting for the moon at every step. Unless this thing meets the hype, game #2 will be a tough sell. Heck, I'm more excited about Steve Ritchie's next game at Stern right now.

pinballjim · « **Reply #30 on:** May 11, 2011, 02:39:57 pm »

Quote from: Jeff AMN on May 11, 2011, 02:31:36 pm

I'm all for more players in the game, but I'm starting to feel a little weary of Jersey Jack Pinball as well. They hype is getting out of hand, and it seems that they're shooting for the moon at every step. Unless this thing meets the hype, game #2 will be a tough sell. Heck, I'm more excited about Steve Ritchie's next game at Stern right now.

Man, Steve Ritchie... I have the same reaction to most of his games.

There's a brief "oh man, this is AWESOME" honeymoon period and then it turns into "there sure isn't a whole lot of game here..."

Just went through that transition with Firepower. Lights and sounds and a couple shots and that's about it.

ChadTower · « **Reply #31 on:** May 11, 2011, 02:46:27 pm »

No way! We love our F-14! The lights are awesome! The couple of shots are amazing!

Aw, ---fudgesicle--- it, you're right. I barely even turn it on anymore.

Jeff AMN · « **Reply #32 on:** May 11, 2011, 02:54:13 pm »

Oh, I agree about Steve Ritchie, but I'm just saying that he has more of a proven record at this point. In fact, I think Steve's best game is actually Spider-Man, which he admittedly designed as his version of AFM. But hey, if playfields are destined to become more and more sparse, you might as well have a designer that is obsessed with flow at the helm rather than one that likes to focus on one or two toys.

smartbomb2084 · « **Reply #33 on:** May 28, 2011, 06:50:08 pm »

It looks like all you pinball monitor yahoos are getting your wish, in the backbox at least, not the playfield.

As this WIZARD OF OZ fiasco deepens, it has been reported that a 26 inch monitor will be gracing Dorothy's back glass.

http://www.pinballnews.com/news/jerseyjack6.html

pinballjim · « **Reply #34 on:** May 28, 2011, 08:33:11 pm »

Nothing says "pinball is still relevant" like a theme from the 1930s.

I bet I have more fun with my $500 beaters than qbert will have with this $7,500 boondoggle.

pinballwizard79 · « **Reply #35 on:** May 28, 2011, 11:24:56 pm »

The monitor image should stay black & white until completing the first mission (tornado mission maybe) & then go color afterward.

That would be a nice tie in or nod to the theme.... You do know if they do that it was all my idea right?

TOK · « **Reply #36 on:** May 28, 2011, 11:50:03 pm »

Quote from: pinballwizard79 on May 28, 2011, 11:24:56 pm

The monitor image should stay black & white until completing the first mission (tornado mission maybe) & then go color afterward.

That would be a nice tie in or nod to the theme.... You do know if they do that it was all my idea right?

It is a cool idea. Someone mentioned it on rec.games.pinball a few months back.

I'd love to be excited about this, but the theme is just so beat. I've heard the music clips and thought they were cool, I've seen the melting witch toy and the prototype house and they're neat, but I'm having trouble caring about the end result because I have zero interest in the Wizard of Oz.

Like Wheel Of Fortune or Shaq Attaq, its just something I wouldn't want weirding up my gameroom (even if I could afford it!

)

smartbomb2084 · « **Reply #37 on:** May 29, 2011, 10:39:38 am »

Modern LCD monitors for coin-op are junk. Just ask any operator running TouchTunes jukeboxes. Some of these monitors are only a few years old and they already need their Inverter Boards and A/D Boards recapped... or worse.

The ION monitor in a Megatouch isn't much better.

I have a HURRICANE with the original Dot Matrix Board and Controller board. This game has lived a long hard on-the-route life and the display still works. It does have the usual 'burned' appearance when it is off however but it is still running just the same. I would like to see an LCD last as long. Twenty years that is.

Besides, I was told by a full-time monitor tech that LCDs are being phased out due to the Mercury that is present in the Cold Cathode Flourescent tubes used to back light the display.

LED monitors will be our only option for replacement.

I also wonder... How long do you think the 128 X 32 Dot Board is still going to be made? I mean, what else have you ever seen it used in except a pinball machine?

pinballjim · « **Reply #38 on:** May 29, 2011, 12:07:13 pm »

They make LED replacements for DMDs and they're widely available - they're installed in everything Stern sends overseas. Pretty sure one of Qbert's games has one... 24? and I couldn't tell any difference.

Ken Layton · « **Reply #39 on:** May 29, 2011, 01:57:04 pm »

I don't know any operators around here that would spend $7,500 for a pinball machine. This "thing" looks awful IMO. I wouldn't play it.


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