Author Topic: SKG Jukebox Update. Limited Beta Test (Read 35823 times)

egosbar · « **Reply #40 on:** October 29, 2010, 09:05:25 pm »

Quote from: RetroBorg on October 29, 2010, 08:45:26 pm

Quote from: egosbar on October 29, 2010, 08:19:08 am
skg what about a volume normalisation feature in the future , ive normalised mine using itunes some time ago but have noticed lately that i get a bit of volume variances , and if your running good speakers especially with mp3 and clipping you do run the risk of blowing your speakers when playing loud.

You should check out a program called MP3 Gain, the good thing about this program is any adjustments done to the volume can be reversed later.

http://mp3gain.sourceforge.net/index.php

i trialled 100 songs and most of the were around the 92-97 range so i normalised them to the default 89db , there is one song though from that normalised to 89.4 but it has a red y in clipping and a red y in clip track , what does this mean and how do i fix it ( should i delete the song and download a new copy?)

RetroBorg · « **Reply #41 on:** October 29, 2010, 09:21:05 pm »

Quote from: egosbar on October 29, 2010, 09:05:25 pm

i trialled 100 songs and most of the were around the 92-97 range so i normalised them to the default 89db , there is one song though from that normalised to 89.4 but it has a red y in clipping and a red y in clip track , what does this mean and how do i fix it ( should i delete the song and download a new copy?)

I have to admit I'm not too sure about the clipping bit.

abispac · « **Reply #42 on:** October 29, 2010, 09:34:24 pm »

Quote from: skepticalgeek on October 29, 2010, 12:00:32 am

Thanks for the input guys.

abispac, 2 things. First, I understand what you are saying about how the music is organized. The thing is, the way the jukebox organizes it is Library, which is composed of Artists, which are composed of Albums, which contain tracks. The easies way to load this from a programming perspective is to do a recursive directory search, so that is the approach I supported out of the gate. I will look at some of the other approaches in th SK Juke, and see if there is a way to implement any of them without major surgery. Also, the SKG Juke at the moment only supports 3 digit album numbers, so collections larger than 999 albums won't work. I will look into making that a configuration option.

Collections larger the 999 wont work? thats a lie, i got my collection perfectly working on skjukebox, and the way your software wants to find my music, i dont like that, sorry but this is defenitly not for me, ill bail out, good luck with your project.

BadMouth · « **Reply #43 on:** October 29, 2010, 09:37:52 pm »

Quote from: egosbar on October 29, 2010, 08:46:40 pm

Quote from: BadMouth on October 29, 2010, 07:55:44 pm
sample pics sent to the address in the first post.

what are the sample pics bad?

See my earlier posts. My current album art doesn't show up in the jukebox, but it I open and save it with paint.net, it shows up just fine.
I sent SKG before and after album covers so he can try to figure out the difference.

egosbar · « **Reply #44 on:** October 30, 2010, 03:15:43 am »

just tossing another idea out there

in the track list , the numbers are really no good to anyone you dont know the song coming up etc without opening the tracklist option , i opted for in skjuke that the song names coming up are displayed .

skg - is it possible to have multiple programmers work on this project and pool the work so more could be done in shorter amount of time and to save your sanity

, im sure there are programmers out there that would love to help in some way

skepticalgeek · « **Reply #45 on:** October 30, 2010, 05:04:57 am »

abispac, I looked at the files you sent me. Sure enough, the before doesn't load, and the after does. Not sure why. Thing is, I'm using a simple label component. I tell the component what size it needs to be, pass it a file name, and tell it to automatically scale the contents to fit. Maybe it's a scaling problem with the large file size, or maybe the original file is using some kind of compression the component doesn't understand. Your paint.net program is able to compress it to 1/10th the size without quality loss, so there seems to be something wonky with the file. I'll look online and see if there is a fix for that.

ego, track names was the first thing I tried when I started writing this, but screen real estate became an issue, especially in netbook mode. That's why I made the track list screen. Also, I think I may know what is causing your playlist issue. I think you "album" with 277 tracks is causing problems again. I can't really expalin without slippering into programmerese, but the next update will have more feedback and better error handling on that screen.

RetroBorg · « **Reply #46 on:** October 30, 2010, 07:19:00 am »

A few bugs I've recently found.

Any song title with a . in it ends before the .

For example: U.S. Forces appears as U, T.N.T. appears as T

I've had the next bug happen twice, the jukebox is about to play the next song in the queue and the details of the song appear but it doesn't play, so I go int the track list "ctrl T" and select the next song and "play now", "save and exit", that song starts playing but when it's finished the song that originally was meant to be playing that it was stuck on then plays but the details of the song are from the song I selected "play now" for.

Hope that makes sense.

My biggest issue I have right now is the speed of album slide, sometimes it's fine but then it slows up and takes forever then after a while comes good again.

I'm going to do a batch resize of all my album covers to 500x500 and see if it makes any difference.

skepticalgeek · « **Reply #47 on:** October 30, 2010, 11:28:18 am »

Oops. You're right about the dot. When doing the directory search, I use the dot to separate the track name from the file extension (mp3, ogg, flac, etc). I didn't consider the possibility of song names with a dot in them. Thanks for the catch.

Interesting about the other the song getting "stuck". Can you duplicate it consistently? Is it specific song(s), does it happen when the track list reach a certain size, etc? Grasping at straws here, but did you hit the space bar at any time? Space bar is the pause/unpause button.

egosbar · « **Reply #48 on:** October 30, 2010, 02:45:36 pm »

Quote from: skepticalgeek on October 30, 2010, 05:04:57 am

abispac, I looked at the files you sent me. Sure enough, the before doesn't load, and the after does. Not sure why. Thing is, I'm using a simple label component. I tell the component what size it needs to be, pass it a file name, and tell it to automatically scale the contents to fit. Maybe it's a scaling problem with the large file size, or maybe the original file is using some kind of compression the component doesn't understand. Your paint.net program is able to compress it to 1/10th the size without quality loss, so there seems to be something wonky with the file. I'll look online and see if there is a fix for that.

ego, track names was the first thing I tried when I started writing this, but screen real estate became an issue, especially in netbook mode. That's why I made the track list screen. Also, I think I may know what is causing your playlist issue. I think you "album" with 277 tracks is causing problems again. I can't really expalin without slippering into programmerese, but the next update will have more feedback and better error handling on that screen.

ill delete the album and try later today

as far as the real estate onscreen i hate to say it mate but the number buttons take a lot of space and really the only thing im using numbers for at the moment is to access 000 screen, and to tell the truth they appear to me to drag the eye of the main focus of the jukebox , as i said i am a bit of an artist and most times when i paint if something is drawing the eye to a place where i dont want it to then i have to change and draw the eye to where you want it to be and that is the album art

the black eyed peas album END wont play it loads but wont play , although it plays fine on skjuke , the files are all mp3 and i can see nothing different in the way it is tagged etc , i wonder if that is why the debbie album is not working as it has one of those songs in it , ill try later and muck around a bit with it

the scroll bars on the 4 album view dont do a lot and again take away from the look , considering you cant pick a song from the 4 album view and need a mouse to scroll them , i disabled them in skjuke and only had them in full album view

skepticalgeek · « **Reply #49 on:** October 30, 2010, 03:28:08 pm »

Badmouth, I know what is causing your album art issue. The large file you sent me, the 1 MB one, is not a jpeg file at all, it is a bitmap file. I'll try to explain without sounding too nerdy. An image editing program like paint is fairly smart. It loads the raw data from a file into a buffer, and analyzes the buffer to determine what it is dealing with. The label control I am using isn't that smart. It looks at the file extension to determine file type, then goes to one of several different dll files to determine how to handle that file format. In this case, you told it the file was a jpg when it wasn't, so it went to the jpg dll. Since the jpg dll couldn't read a bitmap file, nothing loaded into the label. When I changed the file extension to .bmp, the file showed up fine. This won't work for you, however. At least not yet. You see, I forgot to provide support for pic files other than jpg in the initial release. This was just an oversight, I forgot to add the appropriate DLLs when I was building the install package. This will be rectified in the next release. This also explain why your paint program shrunk the file by 90% when you loaded it and saved it without changing. You told the program to save it as a jpg, so it did, and that included applying jpeg compression to it.

Ego, it's funny how one person's passion is another's poison. The number keys are one of the primary reasons I built this to begin with. I found in using SK Juke, that I was always using numbers to enter the track, since my fingers are large and not nimble, and that I had to attach a physical keyboard to my jukebox PC since trying to double click my touch screen was more annoying than not. Also, some of the things I left out because I found them off-putting and distracting, like the weird special effect bars and wavy lines while the song is playing, are things you say you miss.

Today I am going to see about adding support for 4 digit album numbers. This will be a configurable option, so if you have a small (under 1000 albums) collection, you can still use 3 digit albums. This will also mean that for large collections, the Options screen will be "0000". I will also try to add Move to Top and Move to Bottom buttons on the track list screen. I also appreciate the thought of sharing the load, and if any programmers want access to the source, I will gladly zip it up, post it to my Mediafire account, and send you the download link. But any new person would need a few weeks to get familiar enough with the code base to help, especially if they have not used Qt before. Easier to do things myself for now.

egosbar · « **Reply #50 on:** October 30, 2010, 03:42:52 pm »

Ego, it's funny how one person's passion is another's poison. The number keys are one of the primary reasons I built this to begin with. I found in using SK Juke, that I was always using numbers to enter the track, since my fingers are large and not nimble, and that I had to attach a physical keyboard to my jukebox PC since trying to double click my touch screen was more annoying than not. Also, some of the things I left out because I found them off-putting and distracting, like the weird special effect bars and wavy lines while the song is playing, are things you say you miss.

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exactly the reason for skinning , dont get me wrong i dont totally dislike the numbers its that the take a lot of room and most people will be using a mouse or touch not entering numbers especially with large collections = more numbers, the only effect bars i liked in skjuke was the spectrum and colored to my liking.

not sure if you need a move to bottom button as if you dont like the song you can always just delete it , move to top would be excellent though

egosbar · « **Reply #51 on:** October 30, 2010, 03:50:35 pm »

Quote from: egosbar on October 30, 2010, 03:42:52 pm

Ego, it's funny how one person's passion is another's poison. The number keys are one of the primary reasons I built this to begin with. I found in using SK Juke, that I was always using numbers to enter the track, since my fingers are large and not nimble, and that I had to attach a physical keyboard to my jukebox PC since trying to double click my touch screen was more annoying than not. Also, some of the things I left out because I found them off-putting and distracting, like the weird special effect bars and wavy lines while the song is playing, are things you say you miss.

exactly the reason for skinning , dont get me wrong i dont totally dislike the numbers its that the take a lot of room and most people will be using a mouse or touch not entering numbers especially with large collections = more numbers, the only effect bars i liked in skjuke was the spectrum and colored to my liking.Just wondering if you changed the font size in full album view in skjuke for fat fingers , i had the same problem and increased the size a lot and had no problem then, maybe here we need a little more space between songs or the check box in full album view

not sure if you need a move to bottom button (as there is one blank spot in track list options)if you dont like the song you can always just delete it , move to top would be excellent though

sorry for being so picky mate but as it is a program built from a love of skjuke as i share then i cant help to compare them , another feature i liked in skjuke was the ability to touch a song in the track list and delete it

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egosbar · « **Reply #52 on:** October 30, 2010, 08:55:13 pm »

skg i split the 277 songs into 3 albums tunes one two and three , i had a photo of myself in the folder and sk juke picked it up and used it for the album cover while still playing the songs , when i split these songs there was still a error , when i removed the photo they worked , a strange problem i had is that when i cut out about 90 songs and put into album 2 , then cut another 90 odd from one and put into album three , album two and three have the files showing album one has no files showing even though the properties say 90 files , ive tried everything here and cant get it working , skg juke picks up the album but no files , very wierd lucky i have a copy lol , although when i start to use skg juke regularly i wont need this album

the black eyed peas album i fixed , basically i used mp3 tag to tag all my music with 500 x 500 album covers , i tagged this using an album cover that wasnt the right one , i must of some time picked this up removed the album cover from the folder replacing it with the new cover while not retagging it, sk juke recognised the picture in the folder and used the right cover and played fine, skg juke used the right cover but there must be some sort of problem with not having the original picture in the file , so i used mp3 tag to tag the songs with the new cover and bingo worked no worries,this could be a problem in big libraries.

there is a problem with tagging and art i suspect as i also fixed the debbie album , the first song in her que was kylie minougue all the lovers which didnt play on the normal album either , when i removed the tag using mp3tag it worked but i also had to remove the jpg (and it was a jpg 570x570 ) the songs play fine if i have the cover in the folder then the songs load to playlist but wont play.I tried to retag the songs with the art but again they stopped working , i have had a couple of albums that were nearly impossible to tag with art even with mp3 tag , not to sure why but i normally delete these albums and get another copy if i like them a lot.

i also removed my large album 277 songs along with the debbie album that wasnt working , i done this previous to the above problems , what i wanted to do is see if the edit playlist - add to playlist option would be faster , didnt work it doesnt matter if i add one song or 50 it takes around 50 seconds to move them into the playlist using the right arrow button .

skepticalgeek · « **Reply #53 on:** October 30, 2010, 10:42:37 pm »

Ego,

A little confused by the wording of your post. For the record, I don't use the mp3 tags for anything. SKG Juke looks for a picture file in the album directory called "cover", and if it doesn't find it, uses the first picture file it finds in the directory. Also, keep in mind my previous post, where I said I forgot to include support for anything other than jpeg files. Are you saying that when you tag your mp3 files with art, they no longer play in SKG Jukebox? If do, can you e-mail me a couple, so I can see where the problem lies?

RetroBorg · « **Reply #54 on:** October 30, 2010, 11:05:32 pm »

Quote from: skepticalgeek on October 30, 2010, 03:28:08 pm

Today I am going to see about adding support for 4 digit album numbers. This will be a configurable option, so if you have a small (under 1000 albums) collection, you can still use 3 digit albums. This will also mean that for large collections, the Options screen will be "0000".

I probably don't understand this right, at the moment I have over 1000 albums and they all load and play good as far as I can tell.

egosbar · « **Reply #55 on:** October 31, 2010, 01:40:32 am »

Quote from: RetroBorg on October 30, 2010, 11:05:32 pm

Quote from: skepticalgeek on October 30, 2010, 03:28:08 pm
Today I am going to see about adding support for 4 digit album numbers. This will be a configurable option, so if you have a small (under 1000 albums) collection, you can still use 3 digit albums. This will also mean that for large collections, the Options screen will be "0000".

I probably don't understand this right, at the moment I have over 1000 albums and they all load and play good as far as I can tell.

no what happened with this particular one black eyed peas the end i tagged it with a cover 500 x 500 , then i deleted that cover out of the folder and added the new cover without using mp3tag to tag it , so there must of been some sort of conflict , once i removed the tag from the songs and tagged it with the new cover the songs played well , what im saying is skjuke didnt have the problem , im confused about the kylie minougue one it is a 570 x570 jpeg image in the album folder , when i remove it no cover obviously shows but it plays when i put it in the music freezes , ill email it to you

by writing the tag into the songs using mp3 tag my ipod picks up 100 percent of the cover art without it the ipod misses probably around 50 percent of them

i know your program resizes them what size is best as i have one that is only 170 x170 that skjuke wont find even though its in the songs folder .

RetroBorg · « **Reply #56 on:** October 31, 2010, 01:59:19 am »

Did you quote the wrong reply egosbar?

egosbar · « **Reply #57 on:** October 31, 2010, 02:19:27 am »

Quote from: RetroBorg on October 31, 2010, 01:59:19 am

Did you quote the wrong reply egosbar?

sorry mate i did , skg will know what im on about

a query are you having trouble with making a playlist taking 50 seconds to add one song to the list?

RetroBorg · « **Reply #58 on:** October 31, 2010, 04:19:11 am »

Quote from: egosbar on October 31, 2010, 02:19:27 am

sorry mate i did , skg will know what im on about

No problems, I was a bit confused at first.

Quote from: egosbar on October 31, 2010, 02:19:27 am

a query are you having trouble with making a playlist taking 50 seconds to add one song to the list?

Just played around with it, the first time I tried I had a song playing with another in the queue, I ticked about 30 songs and tried adding them to the playlist all at once, nothing seemed to happen, I noticed the seconds stopped moving on the song that was currently playing, when the song finished the next song didn't play, after about ten minutes of waiting I Alt Tabbed and was looking at some things on the net while I was waiting, then after about another two minutes everything seem to lock up and I had to Ctrl Alt Del and end task on SKG, once SKG closed my computer was okay again.

I then thought I was probably too aggressive with choosing 30 songs, so this time I had no songs playing and selected just one song, ten minutes later and still nothing, so Ctrl Alt Del again to get out of it.

Looks like there's obviously some issues with playlist creation.

RetroBorg · « **Reply #59 on:** October 31, 2010, 09:17:44 am »

I just did a rebatch of all my album covers, made them 512x512, this has made a huge difference to the speed of the album slide.

No more of the nasty stuttering I had been experiencing.

It still doesn't match the speed of SK but it has made flicking through the albums much more enjoyable.

Any chance you can make it so the slide continues if you keep the left or right buttons/keys held down like Sk does?

skepticalgeek · « **Reply #60 on:** October 31, 2010, 02:56:19 pm »

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I probably don't understand this right, at the moment I have over 1000 albums and they all load and play good as far as I can tell.

You are probably choosing the song by clicking on the screen. Try choosing the song with the keyboard or number buttons, you will see some alien behavior. That is what I am fixing at the moment.

Ego, I will look at the idea of the slide continuing.

When adding songs to the playlist, the program has to check every track to see if it is checked, then set an available flag on that track. This takes the same amount of time whether adding 1 track or 100. I've made some changes to the playlist screen, so I ask that you hold off on any more playlist testing until you get the next update.

egosbar · « **Reply #61 on:** October 31, 2010, 04:22:24 pm »

Quote from: RetroBorg on October 31, 2010, 09:17:44 am

I just did a rebatch of all my album covers, made them 512x512, this has made a huge difference to the speed of the album slide.

No more of the nasty stuttering I had been experiencing.

It still doesn't match the speed of SK but it has made flicking through the albums much more enjoyable.

Any chance you can make it so the slide continues if you keep the left or right buttons/keys held down like Sk does?

good idea

egosbar · « **Reply #62 on:** October 31, 2010, 04:47:37 pm »

i was wondering about doubling up on songs in a playlist , was pleased to see that the songs you choose dissapear out of the to add list eliminating this problem nice work

a lot of songs in the playlist that have been added and i have probably around 50 or more so far, about half of the songs have some part of the song title missing , for example songbird is just bird , there are a couple that only have one letter in them although when you look in tracklist the names are good.

The add to playlist is a really good option to check if you have some albums not in the right place , i have around 700 and found three or four that were not in the right folder , just by looking down the list when adding on the left it is very easy to see if anything is out of place ,

RetroBorg · « **Reply #63 on:** October 31, 2010, 09:46:23 pm »

Quote from: skepticalgeek on October 31, 2010, 02:56:19 pm

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I probably don't understand this right, at the moment I have over 1000 albums and they all load and play good as far as I can tell.
You are probably choosing the song by clicking on the screen. Try choosing the song with the keyboard or number buttons, you will see some alien behavior. That is what I am fixing at the moment.

Yeah you were right I just tried using the keypad and no good.

BadMouth · « **Reply #64 on:** October 31, 2010, 10:46:54 pm »

SKG, do you plan to add support for other album art file types?

Since you discovered that mine were bmp with a jpg extension, I'm considering finding a way to convert all of them to true jpg.
(hoping to speed up my current jukebox software)
If you are adding support for other formats, I'll wait, so I can test the new art handling with my old album covers.

Also, do you think you'll pursue having the software add track numbers if they aren't part of the file name?
If not, I'll go ahead and use media monkey to rename all my files to include the track number.

Once you release the next version, I'll install it on my xp jukebox and Windows 7 laptop and get some real world use in.
(My main pc I'm testing it on now is running Vista 64)

egosbar · « **Reply #65 on:** October 31, 2010, 10:59:28 pm »

Also, do you think you'll pursue having the software add track numbers if they aren't part of the file name?
If not, I'll go ahead and use media monkey to rename all my files to include the track number.

[/quote] im in the same boat here most of my music does not have the track number in thier name ,would be good not to have to send my collection back to a rename program as there are always some stuff ups

looking forward to the new update soon

RetroBorg · « **Reply #66 on:** November 01, 2010, 01:46:39 am »

Quote from: skepticalgeek on October 28, 2010, 12:05:54 pm

How about some of the advanced features like album art downloading, CD ripping, or key mapping? Has anyone tried any of those? What did you think?

I've just had a go at key mapping, it appears it adding okay in the configuration screen but once back to the jukebox in play mode it didn't seem to work.

skepticalgeek · « **Reply #67 on:** November 01, 2010, 03:06:35 am »

Bandmouth , yes the next update will have support for more picture file types. I meant to support jpg, png, gif, bmp, and tiff, but forgot to include the appropriate DLL files. You will still have an issue if the file extension doesn't match the file type.

ego, I'm working on some logic that will examine the track names on a per album basis, and add them to the display if they are not part of the file name. Should take a day or two.

Retroborg, I looked at the key mapping on my main deployment machine. Looks like it works if you run the app from within the C:\SKG_Jukebox directory but fails when you use the desktop icon or menu shortcut. Problem in the logic that is looking for the custom keys XML file.

I will try to have an update posted next weekend. I have to finish the fixes so far, port everything to the Linux version, and update the manual. Thanks for all the input.

egosbar · « **Reply #68 on:** November 01, 2010, 04:34:07 am »

Quote from: RetroBorg on November 01, 2010, 01:46:39 am

Quote from: skepticalgeek on October 28, 2010, 12:05:54 pm
How about some of the advanced features like album art downloading, CD ripping, or key mapping? Has anyone tried any of those? What did you think?

I've just had a go at key mapping, it appears it adding okay in the configuration screen but once back to the jukebox in play mode it didn't seem to work.

i had a go at the key mapping for my volume control knob which also can be used to simulate four other buttons and couldnt get it working , my juke isnt on the net (keep viruses off it ) but i may have to have an option to turn it on for album art download and ripping cds also updates , i have wireless so i think i need a dongle is this all i need ?

egosbar · « **Reply #69 on:** November 01, 2010, 04:42:58 am »

=ego, I'm working on some logic that will examine the track names on a per album basis, and add them to the display if they are not part of the file name. Should take a day or two.
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the names are fine skg , songbird for instance is the name of the file yet when i added it to the playlist only bird shows up (im talking about the custom add to playlist screen here ) not the tracklist , nearly half the songs are not fully named and some have only one letter of the hole song showing , the track list is no problem all songs named correct that i can see

skg i think ive tested this version to the limit and its a great start mate , keep up the good work , maybe i can help you at least in writing the manual if you want , i could type some of the new features etc and send it to you to edit and proof it , may save you some time

egosbar · « **Reply #70 on:** November 03, 2010, 03:51:12 am »

Quote from: BadMouth on October 28, 2010, 10:17:09 pm

abispac - mediamonkey can automatically reorganize the folder structure of your entire music collection without too much hassle.

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badmouth i have music that i want to add to skgjuke that is organised album-artist one folder \ tracks and coverart

i need it for skg juke as artist\album\tracks and art , how does media monkey do this ive mucked around now for 2 hours and cant get it to sort the music the way i want , and to name the source folder artist only

BadMouth · « **Reply #71 on:** November 03, 2010, 12:15:56 pm »

I'll see if I can put together specific instructions when I get home from work.
Here's a little help from memory if you want to mess with it before then.....

There is somewhere in the options where you specify how the file is saved.
i.e. C:/My Music/<artist>/<album>/<title> (it may pop up automatically after you do the next step)
Click on the artist folder in media monkey so all songs show up, then select them all, then right click and choose "auto-organize files based on tag info" or something to that effect.
Media monkey will create a folder for the artist, a subfolder for the album, and the file will be named the track title.
You can also include the track number in the file name by putting <track #> <title> (or something like that) instead.

I had my entire collection in one big folder with the files named <artist> - <album> - <title> with album art attached to the tags.
I used the above method to change the folder structure when I tried different jukebox software.

You may have to clean up the compilations if you don't want them showing up under each artist.

BadMouth · « **Reply #72 on:** November 03, 2010, 06:08:08 pm »

egosbar- It pretty much works like I said in the above post.
> Open MediaMonkey, click on the "Artist & Album Artist" folder so ALL songs appear in the center pane.
> Click on any song in the center pane to change the focus to there
> Press Ctrl+A to select all tracks
> Right click and select "Auto-Organize Files"
> The window shown in the picture below will pop up. Select "Copy Files to New Destination" if you want to keep a copy of your original structure intact.
   You can type in the Destination based on what I have in there or you can click on the Configure button to the right. It will show you how the folder
   structure will look when you're done. Duplicate file names will be highlighted. It will not let you continue until you fix the duplicate/long file names.
   You can double click on the file name in the pane below and change it so it's
   different. I usually just add a space after the end, so it doesn't appear to be different, but it's not seen as a duplicate. This will restructure everything
   automatically. The only thing that's not so great is the handling of compilations/soundtracks. You'll get a different folder for each artist.
   These will have to be combined by hand if you want them to show up together in the jukebox. EDIT: Actually, you can select the album and use the "Auto
Organize Files" feature to combine them back into one folder with the album name in place of the artist. I think that's how I did it. I think I did end up
with some stray empty folders. It's been a while since I did it.

egosbar · « **Reply #73 on:** November 04, 2010, 01:34:28 am »

Quote from: BadMouth on November 03, 2010, 12:15:56 pm

I'll see if I can put together specific instructions when I get home from work.
Here's a little help from memory if you want to mess with it before then.....

There is somewhere in the options where you specify how the file is saved.
i.e. C:/My Music/<artist>/<album>/<title> (it may pop up automatically after you do the next step)
Click on the artist folder in media monkey so all songs show up, then select them all, then right click and choose "auto-organize files based on tag info" or something to that effect.
Media monkey will create a folder for the artist, a subfolder for the album, and the file will be named the track title.
You can also include the track number in the file name by putting <track #> <title> (or something like that) instead.

I had my entire collection in one big folder with the files named <artist> - <album> - <title> with album art attached to the tags.
I used the above method to change the folder structure when I tried different jukebox software.

You may have to clean up the compilations if you don't want them showing up under each artist.

worked it out lol wasnt that hard once i thought about it , album \ artist \ track number and title and for compilations just album \ track number and title

BadMouth · « **Reply #74 on:** November 05, 2010, 03:32:00 pm »

Quote from: egosbar on November 04, 2010, 01:34:28 am

and for compilations just album \ track number and title

You may have to do album\album\track number and title
for the jukebox software to pick it up.

egosbar · « **Reply #75 on:** November 05, 2010, 09:31:44 pm »

Quote from: BadMouth on November 05, 2010, 03:32:00 pm

Quote from: egosbar on November 04, 2010, 01:34:28 am
and for compilations just album \ track number and title

You may have to do album\album\track number and title
for the jukebox software to pick it up.

yes skg juke wont pick up the compilation albums , i see album / album / track title will work i think , although it would be better if skg just looked in the source folder and sub folders inside that
with 3500 albums i think a search for song or album is a must

skg i think that testing with large music collections is so much different then with only say a couple of hundred albums , when there are so many fast scrolling is a must and also searching for album or artist or song , i have up down left right buttons on my juke , sk juke scrolled left or right four albums at a time but it also used some other keys (cant remember which but any free keys will do)for up down which i mapped using an ipac this function was supposed to go from letter to letter , this didnt always work but it scrolled around 20 albums at a time which is handy when you have say 30 ac\dc albums you can get though them very quickly to the next artist starting with A

there is a bug but its only happened twice now , when i cleared the juke and went to add albums it picked up a folder called egos programs , this was nowhere near the source folder of my music , i had to shut the program down a couple of times as there was no source file showing for the juke to know where to look although the programs still showed up as albums

egosbar · « **Reply #76 on:** November 06, 2010, 04:01:42 am »

ok changed the compilation albums with media monkey to album\album\track - title picked them up fine although a lot of the compilation albums have long name ie the summer hits of 2009 , this presents a problem on the view screen as you have to name album \ album the album title takes the place of the artist it doesnt show the whole name as the letters are too big and it is centered so you miss the first few letters of the album and it looks no good

maybe i can play a bit and call the artist part various artists then the album name is in smaller font so should be ok

skepticalgeek · « **Reply #77 on:** November 06, 2010, 04:15:34 am »

ego, That is what retroborg did with his soundtracks and compilations. He put them in folders called "soundtracks" and "compilations", lowercase so they would show up at the end. I am working on a fairly substantial update, ahve the changes done in the Windows version, porting to the Linux version now, and then will update the manual. Hope to have the update online this weekend or early next week at latest. I will e-mail you guys the new download link when it is up, as well as putting a post here as to what all the fixes and features are. Speaking of the manual, does anyone have any feedback on that, good or bad? I'm not much of a documentation person, in my job we have tech writers for that. Also, still in desperate need of testers for the Linux version. I only had one guy respond so far. I sent him the download link and never heard from him again.

egosbar · « **Reply #78 on:** November 06, 2010, 04:36:09 am »

not too keen on renaming them again

ive spent about 20 hours now retagging again , i have mp3 tag can i batch tag these albums to have

album (called various artists) \ album ( called actual album , ie the hits of summer 2004) \ track number - artist - song title , or is there a better program to use

looking forward to the next update though

egosbar · « **Reply #79 on:** November 06, 2010, 05:34:49 am »

Quote from: skepticalgeek on November 06, 2010, 04:15:34 am

ego, That is what retroborg did with his soundtracks and compilations. He put them in folders called "soundtracks" and "compilations", lowercase so they would show up at the end. I am working on a fairly substantial update, ahve the changes done in the Windows version, porting to the Linux version now, and then will update the manual. Hope to have the update online this weekend or early next week at latest. I will e-mail you guys the new download link when it is up, as well as putting a post here as to what all the fixes and features are. Speaking of the manual, does anyone have any feedback on that, good or bad? I'm not much of a documentation person, in my job we have tech writers for that. Also, still in desperate need of testers for the Linux version. I only had one guy respond so far. I sent him the download link and never heard from him again.

the manual is fine mate , i did read it and noticed something and forgot to post ill re read and let you know


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