Maybe Next Year :( 2011 BYOAC Tokens - FRONT Side design thread

[Santoro]

10K tokens is the minimum in order to get a price any of us can afford.

[bleargh]

10K tokens is the minimum in order to get a price any of us can afford.

Thanks for reminding me Santoro.

If/when you rethink your decision, count me in for 500 (which based on other years of tokens on your site would be approx $125 USD).  I'd also be happy to pre-pay, so you know you've got the $$$ in-hand before committing to your order.

So... 19 more of you want to see/raise me on that?

[JONTHEBOMB]

I'll preorder/buy 500 tokens anytime, anyplace, anywhere.

Only 18 more!

Anyone else?

[tsaylor]

I'm too cheap for 500, but I'd be in for 200.

...and pre-paying would be fine.

[lilshawn]

Can we put the date on them as "2011.5" ?

[Marsupial]

I fail to see how a lack of interest on designing the tokens translates in a lack of interest on acquiring any.

Having a design finalized doesn't entitle you into making them if there's not ennough interest, but not having any design will not gather any interests.

In the end, its your decision, but I think you've been taking this the wrong way about the lack of people with coin design skills...

[stan2323]

I am in for 200 any time.  I would pre pay as well.

Stan

[spllbnd2]

I'd pre order at least 200. And would love to see some re runs of previous years. Maybe that would make more people order. Dunno.

[gaffner]

I'd be in for 500; especially if it's last year's design!  I didn't get a chance to get those before they sold out.  Now I have some money to buy, but they are gone. 

[JohnnyRocket76]

yeah I'd buy 200 tokens for sure!

[vorghagen]

I'd be in for 200. Also willing to pre-pay.

[yotsuya]

I'd prepay for 200.

[bleargh]

If I'm adding this up right, that makes 2,700 so far (which although great to see, is only 1/4 what Santoro would need as commitment in order to place his order).

Anyone else?   

[dstone]

Depending on the design, I'd be in for 1,000 prepaid.

[bleargh]

Depending on the design, I'd be in for 1,000 prepaid.

Lemme guess... if its your design, you're in for 1,000?

kidding...

[dstone]

Hey, that's how I did it last time.    I'd still get some if another design was chosen, just not as many. 

[DeLuSioNal29]

I ordered some last year, but to be honest, the brass ones don't really go with my cab.  I prefer the nickel ones, but not enough people ordered.  So I'd only be interested if enough people order the nickel colored ones.

Also, have you guys considered not having a year on the token to make it more generic?

D

[ChadTower]

I would prepay for 200 regardless of design.

If there isn't enough bandwidth to run the design contest just use designs from past years that did not win.  They're all good.  I don't care which gets picked.  Change the date on it to 2011 and you're all set.  We have enough designs built up to last years without another contest.  The contest is fun but I think we can all accept losing the contest over losing everything.

[tho]

I'm definitely in for 500 pre-paid as well. 

1000 depending on design as well.

TD

[Marsupial]

I think Santoro simply passed to other things, and don't want to put energy towards this anymore.

[bleargh]

I think Santoro simply passed to other things, and don't want to put energy towards this anymore.

Sorry, but I'm gonna take Santoro's statements about needing enough to make it worth the risk of making an order as a clear statement of his position.

While I'll agree that he may not be putting the energy towards this that he's done in previous years with running a design contest, I also can't say that I blame him; he made it clear how many he'd need to order in order to make it worthwhile and we're only at maybe half that amount.  Adding up the numbers here, (and giving some leeway for those that said they may order more/less based on the design) I'd say that we've got verbal here for between 4000 and 5000 tokens.

Reading back through thread, though, I don't see a note indicating how many you'd be willing to pre-pay and order for.  What can we count you in for?

[Marsupial]

you know what?

people won't commit to a purchase without a design being selected. Passing trough a design contest might not prove efficient, regardless of people's interest, as not every coin-interested arcade people are graphics-savyy.


Soooo... stating that there's not ennough interest when not making anything to stir interest in the first place, is the easy way out.
Truth is, he said it himself. Other things came about in his life.
He passed to something else.
Have you seen him chime in lately? he's just not that interested in having this going. He's done his part and now wants out.

It is sad, because people come and leave here, some would order new tokens, and maybe even some of the previous year's while doing an order. I know I would. But the delay result in loss of interests. I personally have passed to an alternate way of getting tokens. Oh, they're not BYOAC, but they are great and suit my needs.

In the end of the day, nobody is blaming him, but the truth is, we're relying on someone who doesn't want it that much.

[lilshawn]

In the end of the day, nobody is blaming him, but the truth is, we're relying on someone who doesn't want it that much.

I don't blame anybody who doesn't want to stick their neck out on the line, especially with people already walking a thin line between survival and living in a box. He has already stated he had to cough up a bunch of his own money (more than once) to get these tokens made. With money for many people the way it is, I don't blame him one bit.

[tumult]

Hope I'm not too late to the party. I'm definitely in for 200, 500 if we need it to reach 10000.

thx,
tum

[bleargh]

you know what?

people won't commit to a purchase without a design being selected.

Sorry, but even without a decision being made on a design, people chimed in above for a total of ~4-5k.

However, if I read that as you won't commit to a purchase without a design being selected, I'll respect your decision to wait.

[80sMike]

I think after nearly 10 years doing this, Dave has a pretty good handle on the make-or-break to get this done.  There are a few of us who have been collecting these from the beginning, and like Chad said will buy regardless of the design, if for no other reason than to have a complete collection.  Heck, I've been away from this scene for four years (starting to ramp up again), but still pop in once a year to see the new token design and buy some when they're ready.  I do agree that there are plenty of excellent designs from previous years that should by default be entered in the running.  Not having a large number of new designs isn't necessarily an indication of a lack of interest... 

[Marsupial]

you know what?

people won't commit to a purchase without a design being selected.

Sorry, but even without a decision being made on a design, people chimed in above for a total of ~4-5k.

However, if I read that as you won't commit to a purchase without a design being selected, I'll respect your decision to wait.

However, if I read that as "bleargh don't care understanding my posts", it makes more sense.


There is no point to commiting to a certain number, if the maker of said tokens is no longer interested in producing them.

I can do like others and say fictivious numbers of what I would buy. Let say, a whole thousand. Or twelve, why not. No matter, being that nobody will ever produce the 2011 tokens.

The main problem here isn't interest in purchasing tokens, but in interest making them.

You know, the same person taking charge of thise yearly isn't a small task, its OK that he found something else on which spending his time.

[WindDrake]

I just wanted to chime in.

I love the guy climbing out of the machine. That design is awesome. I want a couple hundred of them.

[Zlaticko]

Work in progress.

[Nephasth]

You know, the same person taking charge of thise yearly isn't a small task, its OK that he found something else on which spending his time.

Yearly does seem like a lot of trouble. How about making a BYOAC token with no date? From what I have found it's a one time charge per side for a custom design. Run a first batch of tokens (minimum 5,000). And if there is enough interest a year or more later, it wouldn't cost as much for the next batch of the same design.

[yotsuya]

I think that's a great idea. Non-year specific ones would be nice.

[tsaylor]

That would be excellent!  The year is cool if you're commemorating your first build or something, but aside from that the year doesn't matter much.  A single "yearless" design would be easy to sell in future years.  If it looked anything like the 2010 version mentioned earlier in this thread I would be in for certain.

[Nephasth]

Well, should we create another design/interest thread? Would you be interested in this Santoro?

[Santoro]

I am going to pick this up again this weekend so stay tuned.

I am not sure about a 'yearless' design, people seem to really like the dates. 

[Santoro]

Hey everyone.

Thanks for your patience.  Things have been a bit hairy at home and work, but seem to be settling down slightly. I have also seen an uptick in existing token orders, so I am hoping that is an early indicator for a slightly better 'token market' overall.

So let's try this again.  I will do it the same as previous years except that if we don't get a a reasonable amount of new designs (including the ones in this thread already,) we can open it up to some of the previous designs too as suggested if the artists still want in.

I will not be able to kick in cash to get us over the line this time around, so we need the pre-orders to break even for real.  I don't care if I make a profit right away, if we break even, we go.  In my experience the rest will sell eventually.  The pre-orders alone will decide whether we move forward.

In order to get this done in a predictable way I am going to try to publish a schedule right now, unlike previous years where I just sort of went with the flow. 

Here are my proposed dates...

August 21 - Midnight EST - Final designs due.
August 22-September 1 - Voting
September 2- October 1 - Preorders
Week of October 1 - Place order if we broke even
Late October-mid November - Ship tokens

Barring any catastophies I promise to stick to these dates give or take a week here or there.

Thanks again for your interest.

[bleargh]

Here are my proposed dates...
...
September 2- October 1 - Preorders

w00t!

Anxiously awaiting the end of summer, so I can order a set.  As indicated earlier in this thread; the minute you'll take a pre-order, I'll cough up my cash for 500 of these tokens.

Thanks Santoro!

[Woodshop Flunky]

If you're keeping track... I'd cast a vote for yearless tokens.

I've never designed anything that has been reproduced on something like a token.  Are there any design guidelines or restrictions due to the physical manufacturing process?

Thanks.

[Santoro]

yep, it's all in the first post.

[g0pkh]

As a new member of BYOAC. I would love to order 500 of these for use in my first homebuilt MAME cocktail cab.

I assume ordering information will be posted somewhere when they are available ?

[Yeah8a8y]

Hi Guys,

New to the forums, been planning my cab for a while.

Done a design, see what you think.

Chris

Edit: Design dependant I'll be in for 500 - 1000. And no, 1000 isn't just if it's my design