Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe – WTF this is a good game!

[fallacy]

I don’t get it, it seems like every review gives this game one of the lowest scores out of all the fighting games for the 360.
So far this has been hands down the most fun game I have played on the 360. I think the animations are epic tight. There are a lot of characters and each character has 5 special moves and they all look bad ass. Maybe my perspective could be a bit different since I play this game sitting pretty close to a 60 inc HD screen and surround Sound giving every smash a real superhero type of feel.
Most of the main attacks are similar, but with different animation. To me it helps balance all the characters out. Screw Street Fighter 4 I want to build a cab around this game.

[spacegoogie]

  I bought this the second it was released. In fact I was one of the first ten at my local gamestop so I even got a MK vs DC T-shirt!
The game was fun, the graphics are clean. But my complaint  like most people's complaints were about the  Blood and gore!!! I wanna rip BatMan's head off and see his spine hang! Lol
Other than not having the "M" ratting with all the blood and guts it was a fun game.

[WhereEaglesDare]

Most of the main attacks are similar, but with different animation. To me it helps balance all the characters out. Screw Street Fighter 4 I want to build a cab around this game.

I havnt played it yet but I thought it would be a smash success when I heard it was coming out, and I was also disappointed by the reveiws.  Now building a Cabinet around it.... interesting idea...  you could use a hacked 360...

[Malenko]

Epic tight?

ANYWAYS......it still sucks on my 62" HD screen with surround sound.  Sub par fighting system and watered down fatalities do not make a good Mortal Kombat. They even censored the US release (joker's gun fatality comes to mind)

[eclipso]

Epic tight?

ANYWAYS......it still sucks on my 62" HD screen with surround sound.  Sub par fighting system and watered down fatalities do not make a good Mortal Kombat. They even censored the US release (joker's gun fatality comes to mind)

Your right to an extent, that means it must be better on my 65" HD screen with surround sound, the fighting system while not the deepest it is a 110% improvement over the previous incarnations, as far as the level of violence and gore your right however I still enjoyed the game and look forward to Ed and company releasing some information on what everyone wanted a M rated MK9 at E3 here shortly and hope the bigger pockets of WB has allowed them to continue to improve upon it.

[Malenko]

Your right to an extent, that means it must be better on my 65" HD screen with surround sound, the fighting system while not the deepest it is a 110% improvement over the previous incarnations, as far as the level of violence and gore your right however I still enjoyed the game and look forward to Ed and company releasing some information on what everyone wanted a M rated MK9 at E3 here shortly and hope the bigger pockets of WB has allowed them to continue to improve upon it.

I was mocking him bragging about the size of his TV as if it has an impact on the quality of the game, if anything a bigger TV means its easier to see just how bad it is. I havent loved Mortal Kombat since 2 (loved it so much I bought an MKII dedicated machine) and I havent liked it since Mortal Kombat Trilogy, so perhaps Im a tad biased. I enjoyed Shaolin Monks and thought it was great they hid MKII in there.

I think the downfall of MK was going 3D, just hasnt been the same since. I can admit that MKvsDC was the best of the 3D MKs, but thats not saying much.

EDIT: both spelling and I saw your avatar, we both have KI and KI2 machines...awesome!

[eclipso]

Your right to an extent, that means it must be better on my 65" HD screen with surround sound, the fighting system while not the deepest it is a 110% improvement over the previous incarnations, as far as the level of violence and gore your right however I still enjoyed the game and look forward to Ed and company releasing some information on what everyone wanted a M rated MK9 at E3 here shortly and hope the bigger pockets of WB has allowed them to continue to improve upon it.

I was mocking him bragging about the size of his TV as if it has an impact on the quality of the game, if anything a bigger TV means its easier to see just how bad it is. I havent loved Mortal Kombat since 2 (loved it so much I bought an MKII dedicated machine) and I havent liked it since Mortal Kombat Trilogy, so perhaps Im a tad biased. I enjoyed Shaolin Monks and thought it was great they hid MKII in there.

I think the downfall of MK was going 3D, just hasnt been the same since. I can admit that MKvsDC was the best of the 3D MKs, but thats not saying much.

EDIT: both spelling and I saw your avatar, we both have KI and KI2 machines...awesome!

I misunderstood his 60 for FPS and not size although below has a point about impacting your experience. I remember the first time I played MK, which was when they unboxed it and set it up when I was working at Malibu grand Prix. I was a total hater at the time since the big fighting game at the time was obviously SF. I played it and eventually enjoyed it but didn’t really start to love it till MK2 was unboxed and rolled out onto the floor. Although UMK3 (or Trilogy on console) is my favorite (the all nighters we would pull at work playing it would have gotten us fired if the boss would have cared)  MK4 was obviously where it started to decline (although I love Quan Chi and his leg rip) and it only got worse from there until MK vs DC. Do yourself a favor and go play Armageddon then play MK vs DC and you will really see how big of an improvement in mechanics it really is. It’s obviously not the best MK but it’s exponentially better which gives some hope for MK9 under WB and having more time and budget to improve upon it.

Now if MK9 is a total lemon they might just need to scrap the team and get some better talent but I suppose only time will tell.

<3 my KI machines,  have been slowly working on the wife so I can get ready and get a UMK machine.

[shateredsoul]

Well I definitely believe that a big tv and good surround system can impact the quality of a game.  For example,  My friend invited me over to play god of war 3.  It's a good game on a 32" but this friend has a projector system setup so we were playing on what was equivalent to a 60" screen, and he had some special speakers he bought and built the boxes for and man..  the opening stage is crazy.  I was far more impressed than anything I had ever seen or heard.

Your TV and sound system can have an impact on how you experience a game.. granted God of War 3 is a good game on any size screen.  I haven't played this game so I can't say.

Your right to an extent, that means it must be better on my 65" HD screen with surround sound, the fighting system while not the deepest it is a 110% improvement over the previous incarnations, as far as the level of violence and gore your right however I still enjoyed the game and look forward to Ed and company releasing some information on what everyone wanted a M rated MK9 at E3 here shortly and hope the bigger pockets of WB has allowed them to continue to improve upon it.

I was mocking him bragging about the size of his TV as if it has an impact on the quality of the game, if anything a bigger TV means its easier to see just how bad it is. I havent loved Mortal Kombat since 2 (loved it so much I bought an MKII dedicated machine) and I havent liked it since Mortal Kombat Trilogy, so perhaps Im a tad biased. I enjoyed Shaolin Monks and thought it was great they hid MKII in there.

I think the downfall of MK was going 3D, just hasnt been the same since. I can admit that MKvsDC was the best of the 3D MKs, but thats not saying much.

EDIT: both spelling and I saw your avatar, we both have KI and KI2 machines...awesome!

[sstralkowski]

I love MK vs DC.  Only complaint I have is that you need to sue the D-Pad in order to jump.  I'd much rather they had made it more 2D.  

[nickynooch]

I thought the game was amazing.  For that matter I enjoyed it far more than Street Fighter 4 (which is also a very good game).  Then again I have always been an MK fan (UMK3 = best game ever),

Just darn awesome game.  Really disappointed it never came out on PC.  Would've been awesome to have on my cab, but I love it on the 360.  One of the best 360 games out.  Very underrated game.  Especially if you have some buddies into fighting games.

Probably the best Mortal Kombat game since Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3.

[Xiaou2]

 This game looks Horrible.   Hard to imagine, the fighters move and kick slower than
UFC MMA fighters.  heh

 Much like the MK4 and up, these idiots have no idea how to animate properly.

 Just because you can make a kick/punch take 120 frames from ground to head, does
not mean you should.   Moves should be fast as a human.  A Kungfu snake strike or
straight punch is clocked at over 40 feet per second...  Yet what is shown here, is more
like 1/2 ft per second.

 The Previous MK's had hand animators and or digitized martial artists footage, and
got the speed of combat at a decently realistic pace.

 In other 3d fighters, they got "Good" martial artists, and used motion capture
to get correct animations.  Yet here?...  Substandard Crap.   Its the reason
why I will Never buy / play another MK game again.

[fallacy]

Just darn awesome game.  Really disappointed it never came out on PC.  Would've been awesome to have on my cab, but I love it on the 360.  One of the best 360 games out.  Very underrated game.  Especially if you have some buddies into fighting games.

Probably the best Mortal Kombat game since Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3.

That's what I am talking about!  



 

This game looks Horrible.   Hard to imagine, the fighters move and kick slower than
UFC MMA fighters.  heh

 Much like the MK4 and up, these idiots have no idea how to animate properly.

 Just because you can make a kick/punch take 120 frames from ground to head, does
not mean you should.   Moves should be fast as a human.  A Kungfu snake strike or
straight punch is clocked at over 40 feet per second...  Yet what is shown here, is more
like 1/2 ft per second.

 The Previous MK's had hand animators and or digitized martial artists footage, and
got the speed of combat at a decently realistic pace.

 In other 3d fighters, they got "Good" martial artists, and used motion capture
to get correct animations.  Yet here?...  Substandard Crap.   Its the reason
why I will Never buy / play another MK game again.

I can tell me an you would not get along in RL!  

[eclipso]

Speaking of MK9, here is the first teaser trailer for it here:

http://playstationlifestyle.net/2010/06/10/mortal-kombat-9-debut-trailer-screams-of-fatality/

[Ginsu Victim]

What about the new movie teaser trailer?

[Malenko]

This game looks Horrible.   Hard to imagine, the fighters move and kick slower than
UFC MMA fighters.  heh     

I dont know where to begin... your biggest gripe with realism in Mortal Kombat is the speed of the fighting?

[Frigo]

What about the new movie teaser trailer?

Saw this a couple days ago. Loved it. It's insane to see that it got over a million hits in one day!


EDIT: Here's a link to an in-depth interview with the director:

http://www.collider.com/2010/06/09/kevin-tancharoen-interview-mortal-kombat-rebirth-feature-film/

It's pretty funny that the director is also the same guy who directed Fame. 

[Havok]

I think he's saying the movements are not fluid and are too slow. And I'd have to agree. MK was always just about the gore and making the characters not look as cartoony, at the expense of gameplay.

This game looks Horrible.   Hard to imagine, the fighters move and kick slower than
UFC MMA fighters.  heh      

I dont know where to begin... your biggest gripe with realism in Mortal Kombat is the speed of the fighting?

[eclipso]

Well what about the MK9 teaser I posted? you guys look at that or assume it was the movie link. *Edit* found it elsewhere here it is.

[Ginsu Victim]

Well what about the MK9 teaser I posted? you guys look at that or assume it was the movie link.

Yeah, I watched it. I thought.....meh.

[Frigo]

Well what about the MK9 teaser I posted? you guys look at that or assume it was the movie link. *Edit* found it elsewhere here it is.

It's ok... it looks like the 3D Kombat engine confined to a 2D space. Almost seems like it's a step backward.

[shateredsoul]

I don't get it, you guys complain about the new mk not being like the old, then you get a mk that's like the old one now .. the problem is?

 

[Frigo]

I don't get it, you guys complain about the new mk not being like the old, then you get a mk that's like the old one now .. the problem is?

 

FWIW, I like the newer 3D MK fighting engine. I remember seeing previews for MK 5 and I was stoked. Once I got my hands on it, it felt a little clunky, but it worked (and it was far better than MK 4). The series got better over the years, and culminated in a great fighting game in MK vs DCU.

If Midway/Warner Bros. want to bring the franchise back to 2D, that's fine, but don't use the same 3D engine to do it. I look to Street Fighter 4 as a prime example on how to create a well designed 2D game that simply uses 3D graphics as a backdrop, not as your main source of graphical animation. I dunno, the game is so far off, who knows what it'll end up looking like, but right now, I'm not impressed or excited.

[fallacy]

Well what about the MK9 teaser I posted? you guys look at that or assume it was the movie link. *Edit* found it elsewhere here it is.

It is hard to tell if I will like MK9 nearly as much as  Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe. I am seeing a lot of 1000 thousand hit combos which I don’t like in fighting games I am also seeing multiple characters on the screen at the same time- I am assuming they are trying to go for a Marval VS Capcom 2 feel; which to me can take away from the game play just as easily as add to it.
Also watching the video The animation don’t seem quite as fluent as they are in  Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe which is one of the main reasons I like the game so much.

Well at least they put all the gore and shock value Fatalities back in the game.

[eclipso]

I have to think that the 4 player thing is an additional mode. I dont think its going to be combo happy, thats never been MK's thing however those combos shown wernt that long and nothing that isnt in current fighting games with 4 hits and 5 hits.

[Xiaou2]

 The new MK teaser vid was just as bad as ever.  I want to see the characters in
side view, to get a clear picture of whats happening.  The continual moving camera
totally sucks, as it draws your attention away from the game and action.  Its like trying to
watch a movie, and some kid keeps throwing popcorn at you a few rows back.

The in-game cut-scenes are also horrible.  Why oh why would I want to see an
x-ray of slow motion bones breaking, when Im trying to play a intense action game?!!!
Completely slows the games action to a crawl, makes you seasick from all the damn
camera pans, and adds nothing to the game.

 This is a high dollar disaster.  (like most entertainment made today)

 The only people who will buy games like this are the new gens, who have no clue
what a good game is.   If they had made a true MK3 clone with spruced up, added
gameplay, using slightly spruced up 2d graphics... it would sell 100 times more copies
than all the combines copies of every MK game from 4 on up.

[eclipso]

 The new MK teaser vid was just as bad as ever.  I want to see the characters in
side view, to get a clear picture of whats happening.  The continual moving camera
totally sucks, as it draws your attention away from the game and action.  Its like trying to
watch a movie, and some kid keeps throwing popcorn at you a few rows back.

The in-game cut-scenes are also horrible.  Why oh why would I want to see an
x-ray of slow motion bones breaking, when Im trying to play a intense action game?!!!
Completely slows the games action to a crawl, makes you seasick from all the damn
camera pans, and adds nothing to the game.

 This is a high dollar disaster.  (like most entertainment made today)

 The only people who will buy games like this are the new gens, who have no clue
what a good game is.   If they had made a true MK3 clone with spruced up, added
gameplay, using slightly spruced up 2d graphics... it would sell 100 times more copies
than all the combines copies of every MK game from 4 on up.

Well it’s a teaser we all know the camera is not going to move around like that while you’re playing. The slow motion x-ray could be the start of a fatality, a brutality, or something along the lines of a super move or focus attack as seen in Street Fighter IV and Super.

[Ginsu Victim]

we all know the camera is not going to move around like that while you’re playing

Do we? I didn't get the memo....

[Havok]

we all know the camera is not going to move around like that while you’re playing

Do we? I didn't get the memo....

It was right under the TPS cover sheet, of course...

[Ginsu Victim]

I was too busy trying to figure out what PC load letter means to notice.

[Malenko]

I like the Kung Lao fatal, I hate the  MKDA/MKA/MKD plastic people models they keep using, scrap them and start from scratch.  Did they really give Johnny Cage a chest tattoo

[fallacy]

Today at work a few co workers were talking about the dress code another co worker walks up and says “Well at least this Friday is Hawaiian shirt day”
The one women we have working in the office speaks up saying “Ow really that is so cute I have a few shits I would like to try on”.  Every guy in that area stopped what they were doing, turned around to look at her.

[Ginsu Victim]

Wait.....was that a typo or did she actually say "shits"?

[TOK]

I don’t get it, it seems like every review gives this game one of the lowest scores out of all the fighting games for the 360.
So far this has been hands down the most fun game I have played on the 360. I think the animations are epic tight. There are a lot of characters and each character has 5 special moves and they all look bad ass. Maybe my perspective could be a bit different since I play this game sitting pretty close to a 60 inc HD screen and surround Sound giving every smash a real superhero type of feel.
Most of the main attacks are similar, but with different animation. To me it helps balance all the characters out. Screw Street Fighter 4 I want to build a cab around this game.

Not really a fan of fighting games (find the move memorization tedious), but I got this game as a gift and gave it a shot. I actually thought it was pretty cool too.

There area couple issues for me that hurt the game. The first is that other than Batman and Superman, DC has some really sucky characters. Marvel vs. Capcom 3 has the potential to crap all over this just based on the strength of Marvels universe.

The other is play balance, which is really a no-win situation in a game like this. Superman could smoke all the MK fighters at one time and is really too powerful to be accurately represented in a fighting game.

Just typing that made me feel like a total dork, so I'm just gonna stop. 

This would not be a bad theme for a cab if you love the game. Go for it!

[eclipso]

I don’t get it, it seems like every review gives this game one of the lowest scores out of all the fighting games for the 360.
So far this has been hands down the most fun game I have played on the 360. I think the animations are epic tight. There are a lot of characters and each character has 5 special moves and they all look bad ass. Maybe my perspective could be a bit different since I play this game sitting pretty close to a 60 inc HD screen and surround Sound giving every smash a real superhero type of feel.
Most of the main attacks are similar, but with different animation. To me it helps balance all the characters out. Screw Street Fighter 4 I want to build a cab around this game.

Not really a fan of fighting games (find the move memorization tedious), but I got this game as a gift and gave it a shot. I actually thought it was pretty cool too.

There area couple issues for me that hurt the game. The first is that other than Batman and Superman, DC has some really sucky characters. Marvel vs. Capcom 3 has the potential to crap all over this just based on the strength of Marvels universe.

The other is play balance, which is really a no-win situation in a game like this. Superman could smoke all the MK fighters at one time and is really too powerful to be accurately represented in a fighting game.

Just typing that made me feel like a total dork, so I'm just gonna stop. 

This would not be a bad theme for a cab if you love the game. Go for it!

MvC3’s sales are going to be through the roof and it would be silly for them to try and release this around the same time as it. The trick with Superman is he is weak to magic and since the alt universe is a (for lack of a better term) magical it brings his abilities down a few notches and makes him vulnerable.

[Ginsu Victim]

The first is that other than Batman and Superman, DC has some really sucky characters. Marvel vs. Capcom 3 has the potential to crap all over this just based on the strength of Marvels universe.

The DC universe has always sucked compared to Marvel. DC has a handful of decent characters, then a bunch of REALLY bad ones.

[Eddie_Brock]

The DC universe has always sucked compared to Marvel. DC has a handful of decent characters, then a bunch of REALLY bad ones.

As a HUGE fan of marvel, I can say that the same is unfortunately true for Marvel. Maybe it has an extra-handful of decent characters, but there's also a ton of bad ones... Just look at the latest projected movies for Marvel Studios and you will see. Thor is a great example... Really? Thor? I don't want to see it. At all... Like I say, I'm a big marvel fan.

Getting somewhat back on topic, Mortal Kombat lost my interest when MK3 came out. I thought Homing Missles had no place in a fighter, and I hated what it had become. MK and MKII were truly solid titles. MK Armageddon almost won me back, but it got boring, fast. I don't know that I can ever expect to buy (or build an arcade around) a modern MK title. MK 1 and 2 were its pinnacle, the highest it can achieve, in my books.

By the way, that movie teaser looks amazing... Jerri Ryan as Sonya Blade? nice. Nice find Ginsu, I'll be checking the movie out for sure.

As for building an arcade around this game, go ahead. Its your time, who are we to judge what you want to play. All the more power to you for building something that you likely will never see anywhere else!

[eclipso]

The DC universe has always sucked compared to Marvel. DC has a handful of decent characters, then a bunch of REALLY bad ones.

As a HUGE fan of marvel, I can say that the same is unfortunately true for Marvel. Maybe it has an extra-handful of decent characters, but there's also a ton of bad ones... Just look at the latest projected movies for Marvel Studios and you will see. Thor is a great example... Really? Thor? I don't want to see it. At all... Like I say, I'm a big marvel fan.

Getting somewhat back on topic, Mortal Kombat lost my interest when MK3 came out. I thought Homing Missles had no place in a fighter, and I hated what it had become. MK and MKII were truly solid titles. MK Armageddon almost won me back, but it got boring, fast. I don't know that I can ever expect to buy (or build an arcade around) a modern MK title. MK 1 and 2 were its pinnacle, the highest it can achieve, in my books.

By the way, that movie teaser looks amazing... Jerri Ryan as Sonya Blade? nice. Nice find Ginsu, I'll be checking the movie out for sure.

As for building an arcade around this game, go ahead. Its your time, who are we to judge what you want to play. All the more power to you for building something that you likely will never see anywhere else!

Both sides do have their fair share of lesser heroes that’s for sure. Sektors homing missiles were easy to punish it’s really not a big deal.  That movie teaser was only a pitch to WB for the reboot of the franchises return to film it’s not a guarantee that when they decide to remake a MK movie that this is the way they are going to go.
The one thing that strikes me as a bit curious is it came out two days before the new MK gameplay teaser which seems a bit too coincidental.