Author Topic: Micro Cab competition (Prizes). DEADLINE EXTENDED (Read 48280 times)

SirPoonga · « **Reply #160 on:** October 31, 2003, 06:31:18 pm »

where did you get that small joystick?

team OBryan · « **Reply #161 on:** October 31, 2003, 06:50:37 pm »

I found it at a electronics parts house called ACE electronics in Houston TX.They have a bunch of old surplus stuff and alot of new stuff to. I went looking for some switchs for work when right in front of my eyes was that tiny joystick. I asked if they had any more and was told no.but it was brand new so someone must be able to get more. the odd thing was there was no manufacture name on it just the $10.00 price tag .Kinda high to me.

SirPoonga · « **Reply #162 on:** October 31, 2003, 07:18:56 pm »

Did you ask where THEY got it from?

And 8-way or 4-way stick?

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #163 on:** October 31, 2003, 07:28:49 pm »

I just wanted to say that all the submissions are great. I only wish I could have found the opportunity to do my model but juding from the competition I doubt I could have won anyway.

team OBryan · « **Reply #164 on:** October 31, 2003, 08:50:57 pm »

The joystick was not marked 4 or 8 way but after testing it with a multimeter it is 4 way only. It has a center common pin and each direction has a pin unlike a real joystick that has the 2 connectors for each switch . I lucked out because the tv joystick game each switch was triggered by connecting to ground.

NiN^_^NiN · « **Reply #165 on:** October 31, 2003, 11:00:31 pm »

I am shocked at how good you guys made them

Congrats you all did a very good job im very tempted to go make 1 myself even if the comp will be finished.

Great work guys

they look sooooooooooo cool

1UP · « **Reply #166 on:** November 01, 2003, 02:03:53 am »

That Pac-Man is sweet! I wanted to make my Space Invaders playable, or at least with an animated display by putting in my new PDA, but then I realized that the picture would be reversed when it got reflected... Actually, though, it's nice that I can use it as decoration without having to mess up my PDA.

BTW, my micro-pac is a hit at work! I go to my desk in the morning and find it already running...

I introduced the idea of bringing in my full-sized cab for a few months, and everyone went nuts...these are the guys who came to my original cab-warming party a year ago...heheh...

So when does the judging begin? The suspense is killing me!!

Frostillicus · « **Reply #167 on:** November 01, 2003, 11:23:05 am »

HOLY COW THOSE ARE AWESOME!!!You guys are talented

That mini joystick is the bomb! and playable, too, I need one for my office!

rampy · « **Reply #168 on:** November 01, 2003, 01:06:28 pm »

Quote from: 1UP on October 31, 2003, 01:19:20 pm

OK, I'm late for work now...but HEY, at least I got the coin door and marquee lights working on my tiny cab!

See ya all tonight, I'm hoping there will be a few more entries by then!

You're a sick man, 1up... good job! You are totally "above and beyond"

Rampy

1UP · « **Reply #169 on:** November 01, 2003, 01:56:48 pm »

Quote from: rampy on November 01, 2003, 01:06:28 pm

You're a sick man, 1up... good job! You are totally "above and beyond"

Rampy

Funny what a lot of free time will do to you...my wife saw me building this and she was like "so are you going to put your mini-pac in this now?" and I'm like "no, it's just for decoration." She could kind of understand making a small working Mame machine, but why the hell would someone spend so much time on a small non-working model of a cab? The answer: extreme boredom!

No more free time for me though, last month I was off, this week I'm hard at work 10+ hours a day. It's all good though, the studio is two blocks from the beach on the Santa Monica promenade (a big outdoor mall), and it's right above a Hooters...

SirPoonga · « **Reply #170 on:** November 01, 2003, 09:59:26 pm »

I've been searching for th joystick. I wish some more info could be found. I found that small ball-top that was posted on here, but you have a minium of 100 per carton. Eeeeks.

team OBryan · « **Reply #171 on:** November 01, 2003, 10:26:24 pm »

Quote from: SirPoonga on November 01, 2003, 09:59:26 pm

I've been searching for th joystick. I wish some more info could be found. I found that small ball-top that was posted on here, but you have a minium of 100 per carton. Eeeeks.

I'll try to get to ACE electronics this week and see if anyone else there knows if they can get some more of these or if they even know where they got it from. Also a quick note about the miniature joystick I used. Be careful if you solder to it. The pins are not suppose to be soldered. They appear to plug into some kind of jack . I soldered to it anyway and the down direction didn't work. After looking at it I realized that when I heated it the plastic melted and the pin shifted to the side and it would not make contact.I reheated it and straighted it and it works just fine now.

microwrx · « **Reply #172 on:** November 02, 2003, 01:10:43 am »

Quote from: SirPoonga on November 01, 2003, 09:59:26 pm

I've been searching for th joystick. I wish some more info could be found. I found that small ball-top that was posted on here, but you have a minium of 100 per carton. Eeeeks.

How much were they for the box of 100? Got a link for them?

SirPoonga · « **Reply #173 on:** November 02, 2003, 02:57:35 am »

http://www.coinopexpress.com/products/parts/joysticks/Mini_Spherical_Joystick_with_Microswitch_3310.html

Chris · « **Reply #174 on:** November 02, 2003, 10:40:44 am »

Those things aren't that mini, according to the dmensions!

The dimensions are 85 x 50 x 112 mm. If my conversion rate is right, that's 3.4" x 2" x 4.5". A Happ Ms Pac-Man balltop is 3.6" x 3.15" x 4.26".

microwrx · « **Reply #175 on:** November 02, 2003, 08:20:45 pm »

Yep, that may be a mini but not a micro.

team OBryan · « **Reply #176 on:** November 02, 2003, 09:08:17 pm »

I'm still looing for another source for the joystick I used in my micro pacman cab but this is all I have been able to find so far.
http://sales.goldmine-elec.com/prodinfo.asp?prodid=8824

1UP · « **Reply #177 on:** November 02, 2003, 10:01:52 pm »

Quote from: team OBryan on November 02, 2003, 09:08:17 pm

I'm still looing for another source for the joystick I used in my micro pacman cab but this is all I have been able to find so far.
http://sales.goldmine-elec.com/prodinfo.asp?prodid=8824

Those would work. Not hard to mount a ball-top to that.

Chris · « **Reply #178 on:** November 02, 2003, 10:06:22 pm »

They're eight-ways, though... time to get OSCAR to create an itty bitty restrictor plate...

RetroJames · « **Reply #179 on:** November 03, 2003, 06:44:00 pm »

So who won anyway?

RandyT · « **Reply #180 on:** November 03, 2003, 10:31:34 pm »

Quote from: 1hookedspacecadet on November 03, 2003, 06:44:00 pm

So who won anyway?

I think the Judges vanished

I hope I don't have to make any decisions on this one

.

RandyT

RetroJames · « **Reply #181 on:** November 03, 2003, 11:03:43 pm »

So unless I missed something there are 3 categories:

Best Reproduction

(Defender) - Not sure if the user "Houdini" made this one, but if so I would say it should be in the running. See it on Pg2.
(Pac Man)
(Space Invaders)
(Computer Space)
(Double Dragon II)

Best Cocktail

(No Entries)

Best Mame

(Pac Man Conversion)

Is that all of them? No one did a cocktail?

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #182 on:** November 03, 2003, 11:08:30 pm »

Although I really like it, i think the pacman conversion is automatically disqualified.

It's not a reproduction, it's not a cocktail and it's not a scale model of an innovative new cab design. Simply put, it's not a model at all, it's just a cool toy 1up made. Again don't take this the wrong way, I think it's really cool, it just has nothing to do with the competition.

But yeah only 3 entries, kinda disappointing isn't it?

team OBryan · « **Reply #183 on:** November 03, 2003, 11:22:15 pm »

Quote from: 1hookedspacecadet on November 03, 2003, 11:03:43 pm

Is that all of them? No one did a cocktail?

After they extended the deadline I was going to do a micro Ms pacman Cocktail to go with my micro pacman upright .I decided against it because I thought there would have been alot of cocktail entries. To tell the truth I though there would have been alot more entries in all the categories.

Chris · « **Reply #184 on:** November 03, 2003, 11:38:30 pm »

Well, as much as I wanted to win that spinner, I think Computer Space is out of the running. It actually looks better than the pictures make it seem at normal viewing distance, but the closeups and the metal flake paint make every surface imperfection visible, and I should have taken more care trimming the bezel and put "glass" over the front.

The Defender is a great Monopoly piece, but lacks any detail. The Double Dragon is a nice start, but is incomplete.

That leaves Space Invaders Deluxe and Pac-Man.

Space Invaders Deluxe was a more complicated machine to duplicate, and it was pulled off very nicely. The buttons were a nice alternative to the expected printed control panel. That mirroring system is brilliant, and the artwork is spot-on. The lighting is gorgeous, although I don't thnk it counts.

The Pac-Man, however, is such a perfect replica that one coud mistake it for a real machine with a giant ruler next to it. That micro coin door is a nice touch! We can't count the fact that it works, though, and that actually hurts it silghtly as it now has the wrong type of joystick.

Every minute I think it's clear who the winner is, and five minutes later I change my mind. If I could, I'd split up the prizes or beg the donators to donate a second set, but I don't think either of those is likely. I'm glad I don't have to make the decision!

--Chris

Apollo · « **Reply #185 on:** November 03, 2003, 11:39:26 pm »

Yeah me to. Oh well we got a couple of awesome entries out of it.

RetroJames · « **Reply #186 on:** November 03, 2003, 11:40:54 pm »

I think I have to disagree. One of the categories was or is MAME cab. I think that the PAC conversion qualifies in that regard. I actually thought it was quite funny that 1UP "hacked" a "classic" pac man cab for a MAME project. It does indeed play multiple games. Looking at the rules, I don't see anything stating that the whole thing has to be fabricated.

One possible point of contention is the requirement, "...and should be authentic arcade in appearence ( you know what I mean ). This means that the only thing going to your cab is a power lead nothing else. No hand held controls."

While I suppose you could argue that 1up's conversion is not "authentic arcade in appearance" that statement is qualified later by a comment about the power and no hand held controls. One for the judges to decide I think.

Anyway, they are all cool. I feel like a dope that I did not do one, (20/20 hindsight). I sure could use that spinner and no offense, but I am pretty sure I would have wasted you guys!

Quote from: Howard_Casto on November 03, 2003, 11:08:30 pm

Although I really like it, i think the pacman conversion is automatically disqualified.

It's not a reproduction, it's not a cocktail and it's not a scale model of an innovative new cab design. Simply put, it's not a model at all, it's just a cool toy 1up made. Again don't take this the wrong way, I think it's really cool, it just has nothing to do with the competition.

But yeah only 3 entries, kinda disappointing isn't it?

team OBryan · « **Reply #187 on:** November 03, 2003, 11:46:11 pm »

The winner or should I say winners have been announced in another thread Looks like I won second place with my micro pacman .

http://www.arcadecontrols.org/yabbse/index.php?board=6;action=display;threadid=13002

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #188 on:** November 03, 2003, 11:55:30 pm »

Quote from: 1hookedspacecadet on November 03, 2003, 11:40:54 pm

I think I have to disagree. One of the categories was or is MAME cab. I think that the PAC conversion qualifies in that regard. I actually thought it was quite funny that 1UP "hacked" a "classic" pac man cab for a MAME project. It does indeed play multiple games. Looking at the rules, I don't see anything stating that the whole thing has to be fabricated.

One possible point of contention is the requirement, "...and should be authentic arcade in appearence ( you know what I mean ). This means that the only thing going to your cab is a power lead nothing else. No hand held controls."

While I suppose you could argue that 1up's conversion is not "authentic arcade in appearance" that statement is qualified later by a comment about the power and no hand held controls. One for the judges to decide I think.

Anyway, they are all cool. I feel like a dope that I did not do one, (20/20 hindsight). I sure could use that spinner and no offense, but I am pretty sure I would have wasted you guys!

Quote from: Howard_Casto on November 03, 2003, 11:08:30 pm
Although I really like it, i think the pacman conversion is automatically disqualified.

It's not a reproduction, it's not a cocktail and it's not a scale model of an innovative new cab design. Simply put, it's not a model at all, it's just a cool toy 1up made. Again don't take this the wrong way, I think it's really cool, it just has nothing to do with the competition.

But yeah only 3 entries, kinda disappointing isn't it?

No your missing the point... it's a MODEL competition.... that's not a scale model of anything... read the categories and descriptions of the contest again and maybe you'll understand this time. The mame category was for the best MODEL of an original mamecab design.

Regardless the voting is over and 1up won with his legitimate entry... I would also say that the judges agreed with me as his other isn't even listed.

Congrats 1up and everyone!

1UP · « **Reply #189 on:** November 04, 2003, 12:15:19 am »

Quote from: Howard_Casto on November 03, 2003, 11:55:30 pm

No your missing the point... it's a MODEL competition.... that's not a scale model of anything... read the categories and descriptions of the contest again and maybe you'll understand this time. The mame category was for the best MODEL of an original mamecab design.

Well, I didn't really expect to win with the Mame conversion, and quite honestly I would have felt guilty if I did, as it was most of the way done when the contest was announced. All I did afterward was to add artwork and clean up some of the construction.

I'm glad that the Space Invaders was able to impress Apollo enough to earn me a new spinner! (I'm going to need a second one when I move my main machine to work this month...) I was kind of worried there, because the Pac-Man and Computer Space were very well done!

Apollo · « **Reply #190 on:** November 04, 2003, 01:08:42 am »

I had the feeling that 1Up was kidding around with the Pacman and I knew that his real entry was on the way ( he hinted as much ) so I didn't really count it. As Howard pointed out it wasn't really a valid entry. Maybe this could be an annual event, I'm sure that the interest is there now thanks to the entries this time around? Any thoughts on that anyone?

team OBryan · « **Reply #191 on:** November 04, 2003, 07:16:52 am »

Quote from: Apollo on November 04, 2003, 01:08:42 am

Maybe this could be an annual event, I'm sure that the interest is there now thanks to the entries this time around? Any thoughts on that anyone?

OH yea! Count me in! With a year to plan and build there should be more entries. I can see it now I'll have a arcade full of 12" cabs in a few years.

RetroJames · « **Reply #192 on:** November 04, 2003, 08:04:10 am »

Hmm...again, sorry to split hairs but I am afraid I have to disagree again. No where in the first post by Apollo that outlines the rules, is the word "model" used. The MAME category was NOT for the best MODEL of an original mamecab design, it was...

"Categories will be:
Best reproduction of a dedicated cab
Best cocktail
Best MAME cab"

Look, I am not going to belabor the facts anymore, and I am sure most everyone here knew what was expected etc. All I am saying is that the way the rules were presented, if someone wanted to press the point, 1UP's conversion does meet all of the requirements unless there is an addendum to the rules somewhere else in this thread. You might want to qualify what must be fabricated and what does not have to be. In the micro PAC, he used an lcd and joysticks. Those were not fabricated. If 1UP cut the plastic up on that pac game and used it to form a new cab would that count? If I made a cab out of a soup can, is that acceptable.

Anyway, again I love the entries, heck yea I am interested in another round (although a year might be too long, how about 3 mo?) and no, I would not be such a stickler in the next round regardless of who won.

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No your missing the point... it's a MODEL competition.... that's not a scale model of anything... read the categories and descriptions of the contest again and maybe you'll understand this time. The mame category was for the best MODEL of an original mamecab design.

NY_in_TX · « **Reply #193 on:** November 04, 2003, 10:52:28 am »

Man I gotta say that all the entries were AWESOME.

1UP's tabletop-conversion is one of the best MAME cabs I've ever seen...large, small, or otherwise. Quite amazing. There's the MAME can award right there.

Team OBryan, that reproduction is SWEET. Since it's so spot on and working, I gotta hand it to ya.

and I say the Computer Space cabinet gets the cocktail award...cause back then they didn't even have definitions for cabs. Plus it's cool, you know you want one.

to think I was going to enter the cocktail category with a pacman juice glass filled with a pina colada...I think by default I might have won.

congrats to everyone!

ny

ps I know the judging is independent third party and I know my vote doesn't count. Just giving props to the hard work.

Chris · « **Reply #194 on:** November 04, 2003, 10:58:49 am »

Quote from: NY_in_TX on November 04, 2003, 10:52:28 am

to think I was going to enter the cocktail category with a pacman juice glass filled with a pina colada...I think by default I might have won.

Isn't there actually a cocktail called a Pac-Man?

Chris · « **Reply #195 on:** November 04, 2003, 11:22:24 am »

Ah, yes, here it is, but it has no alcohol:

Pac Man

Dash each of; Bitters & Grenadine, Splash of Lemon juice, Ginger Ale

Stir all but Ginger Ale over ice, Fill with Ginger Ale, Garnish with an Orange slice

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #196 on:** November 04, 2003, 12:26:02 pm »

Quote from: 1hookedspacecadet on November 04, 2003, 08:04:10 am

Hmm...again, sorry to split hairs but I am afraid I have to disagree again. No where in the first post by Apollo that outlines the rules, is the word "model" used. The MAME category was NOT for the best MODEL of an original mamecab design, it was...

"Categories will be:
Best reproduction of a dedicated cab
Best cocktail
Best MAME cab"

Look, I am not going to belabor the facts anymore, and I am sure most everyone here knew what was expected etc. All I am saying is that the way the rules were presented, if someone wanted to press the point, 1UP's conversion does meet all of the requirements unless there is an addendum to the rules somewhere else in this thread. You might want to qualify what must be fabricated and what does not have to be. In the micro PAC, he used an lcd and joysticks. Those were not fabricated. If 1UP cut the plastic up on that pac game and used it to form a new cab would that count? If I made a cab out of a soup can, is that acceptable.

Anyway, again I love the entries, heck yea I am interested in another round (although a year might be too long, how about 3 mo?) and no, I would not be such a stickler in the next round regardless of who won.

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No your missing the point... it's a MODEL competition.... that's not a scale model of anything... read the categories and descriptions of the contest again and maybe you'll understand this time. The mame category was for the best MODEL of an original mamecab design.

Your not very good at comprehension..... to quote literally the very first sentence.

"There seems to be a fair amount of interest in micro cab mock ups either for testing out dimensions of future MAME cab projects or just for fun."

micro cab mock ups = models

And even if you didn't get that the further descriptions of the rules explains that the cab has to be "arcade authentic" and pretty much scratch built. In otherwords no conversions period and no "inauthentic" buttons, designs and controls.

Everyone understands this completely and there has been no other arguments in your defense except for your own. The only reason I bring it up is because I would hate for you to make an entry next year like the pacman conversion and fruitlessly argue when it didn't win, like you are now.

I mean even apollo agreed with me and he's a frikkin judge, chill man, your point is mute.

RetroJames · « **Reply #197 on:** November 04, 2003, 01:30:22 pm »

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Your not very good at comprehension..... to quote literally the very first sentence.

"There seems to be a fair amount of interest in micro cab mock ups either for testing out dimensions of future MAME cab projects or just for fun."

micro cab mock ups = models

While "mock-up" is a synonym for "model" it does not follow that using an exisiting "cabinet", in this case the pac man toy game, is grounds for disqualification under the rules as outlined in the thread.. 1UP changed many things on the "cabinet". At what point has he made enough modifications that would constitute a "mock-up" of an actual cab. What if one wanted to make a full sized version of the toy pac man cabinet? Could they not then use the toy's structure for their cabinet?

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And even if you didn't get that the further descriptions of the rules explains that the cab has to be "arcade authentic" and pretty much scratch built. In otherwords no conversions period and no "inauthentic" buttons, designs and controls.

As I stated earlier, the "arcade authentic" line would be a decent point of contention IF it were not qualified in the sentence that followed, "Everything in your entry has to fit within the size limitations and should be authentic arcade in appearence ( you know what I mean ). This means that the only thing going to your cab is a power lead nothing else. No hand held controls."

Note that it does not say, "..."arcade authentic" and pretty much scratch built. In otherwords no conversions period and no "inauthentic" buttons, designs and controls."

You added most of that verbage to the sentence. I notice that in most of your replies you have done the same thing, adding what you felt the line meant rather than what the line actually read.

I did not see anything "going to 1ups cab" nor do I think it qualified as having "hand held controls".

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Everyone understands this completely and there has been no other arguments in your defense except for your own. The only reason I bring it up is because I would hate for you to make an entry next year like the pacman conversion and fruitlessly argue when it didn't win, like you are now.

I mean even apollo agreed with me and he's a frikkin judge, chill man, your point is mute.

As I stated earlier, I am very aware of the spirit of the terms and rules of the competition, and if I had a point of contention on an entry I were to make, first I would ask, second I would not get upset if after the fact my entry was disqualified as 1ups was. Heck I would be pretty proud of putting the dang thing together, who cares about a spinner.

While Apollo, as the judge has the final say in such an area, and as such the argument is moot, I can assure you it is a valid argument. The issue is simply, "What constitutes a mock-up?" Does a model mean I cannot use any prefabricated parts? What parts can I use?

There is a Simpson's diorama that has a couple of cabinets in it, if i take one of those and make it a Spy Hunter cab, is that leagal?

SirPoonga · « **Reply #198 on:** November 04, 2003, 02:51:35 pm »

Quote from: 1hookedspacecadet on November 04, 2003, 01:30:22 pm

While "mock-up" is a synonym for "model" it does not follow that using an exisiting "cabinet", in this case the pac man toy game, is grounds for disqualification under the rules as outlined in the thread.. 1UP changed many things on the "cabinet". At what point has he made enough modifications that would constitute a "mock-up" of an actual cab. What if one wanted to make a full sized version of the toy pac man cabinet? Could they not then use the toy's structure for their cabinet?

Because it isn't in the spirit of the contest. The contest was about the spirit of building a cabinet, "There seems to be a fair amount of interest in micro cab mock ups either for testing out dimensions of future MAME cab projects or just for fun"
So the pacman toy was not built, it was modified. It wasn't modified that much either.

NY_in_TX · « **Reply #199 on:** November 04, 2003, 03:06:14 pm »

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I mean even apollo agreed with me and he's a frikkin judge, chill man, your point is mute.

ha ha. mute point.

I think it's funny intentional or not. I guess that makes it moot.


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