Author Topic: Micro Cab competition (Prizes). DEADLINE EXTENDED (Read 48456 times)

Apollo · « **on:** August 05, 2003, 05:41:47 pm »

There seems to be a fair amount of interest in micro cab mock ups either for testing out dimensions of future MAME cab projects or just for fun.
How about a competition for best micro cab?
What do you think? Anyone like to donate a prize or two?

[size=8]RULES[/size]

Competition closes 31st October 2003 ( entries will be accepted up until midnight GMT on the 31st October ).

Entry is by post to this thread with pic attached ( those of you without digital cameras can buy a disposable and get your photo developer to put the pics on disk for you ). Remember the better the pic the better your cab looks the better chance of winning.

Judging will be done by myself and Alan17

Categories will be:
Best reproduction of a dedicated cab
Best cocktail
Best MAME cab
There will be 1 winner in each category and then the best overall will be picked from the 3 category winners.

Any type of microcab can be built. It can be an exact reproduction of your favourite dedicated cab ( including cocktail or sit down cabs ) or a reproduction of your own MAME cab ( or your dream MAME cab ) or something completely different.

Dimensions of your entry should not exceed 30cmX30cmX30cm that's 12"X12"X12". Try to include an item in your pic for a size reference i.e. a quarter ( no building a giant quarter and putting it next to your full size cab lol ).

You may include working electronics i.e. lit up marquee or even an actual working cab that can be played ( all be it by a midget )but everthing to make it go must be in the cab ( PC, wiring everything ). Power source can be external.

Multiple entries are fine and are encouraged.

Smaller is not better just keep within the size limits.

Everything in your entry has to fit within the size limitations and should be authentic arcade in appearence ( you know what I mean ). This means that the only thing going to your cab is a power lead nothing else. No hand held controls.

NO COMPUTER MANIPULATION.
There will be no exceptions to this rule. The judges are aware that there are some forum members who are particularly talented in this field. Your entry pic should in no way be manipulated using any kind of software or computer enhancement, if it is the entry will be disqualified. Please don't do it. This doesn't mean that you can't create art for your cab on your computer and print it out and then apply it to your cab, that is allowed of course.

There will be winners in the 3 categories and the overall winner will be chosen by Alan17 and myself from the 3 category winners. We have no personal preference for dedicated, cocktail or MAME we will just pick the best as we see it. All the prizes whatever they are will be sent to the overall winner.

Good luck and have fun, we should see some great results with all the skills out there on this forum.

Thanks all

UPDATE PRIZES BELOW

I will send the winner a Hanaho Capcom Coin-Op Classics CD with the 14 Capcom roms (1941 - Block Block - Commando - Exed Exes - Ghouls'n Ghosts - Magic Sword - Mercs - Sections Z - Side Arms - Son Son - Street Fighter (Hyper Fighting) - Strider - U. N. Squadron - Varth). Good luck everyone
--- saint

RandyT has been most generous and is donating a KeyWhiz eco to the winner.

OSCAR has come to the party also and is donating a Vortex spinner with black Tempest knob to the winner

And best of all, permanent bragging rights as, courtesy of your lovely forum administrators you will be eligible for custom status. Nice, Thanks guys.

Thanks guys u rock, any other donations gratefully accepted.

Apollo · « **Reply #1 on:** August 05, 2003, 06:32:19 pm »

AlanS17 · « **Reply #2 on:** August 05, 2003, 06:40:52 pm »

Sounds like fun, but how long would we have to complete it? And who is gonna give me free stuff when I kick all ya'lls butts...

(Plus this is probably in the wrong forum...)

SirPoonga · « **Reply #3 on:** August 05, 2003, 06:49:06 pm »

Quote from: Apollo on August 05, 2003, 06:32:19 pm

Wow the interest in my idea is overwhelming me lol.
Oh well back to the drawing board.

Hehe, give people TIME to reply!

Your timestamps
Today at 04:41:47pm
Reply #1 on: Today at 05:32:19pm

You think a bunch of people are going respond near the end of a working day?

??

Apollo · « **Reply #4 on:** August 05, 2003, 06:54:04 pm »

Sorry I always do that, it's a side effect of living in this crazy time zone ( New Zealand ).

He he I dunno, I guess what 1 month 2 months? We would have to have some kind of consensus here.
Someone will have to donate free stuff, any ideas?
Sorry about wrong forum, where should I put it? "Everything else" I'm guessing.

OK if anyone wants to take part, please post your pic of your completed micro cab on this thread by September 30, 2003. Under 30cm tall, any materials can be used.
As Alan17 was the first to post to this thread him and me will judge ( there goes any idea of you winning Alan17 lol ).
There will be prizes but I think the greatest prize will be bragging rights or what about if some nice moderator could give the winner custom status. "MicroMamer" or something similar?

AlanS17 · « **Reply #5 on:** August 05, 2003, 06:56:13 pm »

I want "stuff"!

Apollo · « **Reply #6 on:** August 05, 2003, 07:01:23 pm »

OK if you insist lol.
Does anyone else want to judge with me? How about OSCAR? As Oscar is such an expert on the full size models how about judging the micro models with me?

BobA · « **Reply #7 on:** August 05, 2003, 07:37:36 pm »

Am I to understand that this is a physical mockup only? It does not have to work. Kind of interesting but I would have more fun building something that beeped and had a real display. Might not run MAME but would run some game(s).

If everyone wants to just build models well I would participate for the practice.

BobA

AlanS17 · « **Reply #8 on:** August 05, 2003, 07:44:48 pm »

I'd like to participate so I don't lose my touch. Whether I have time or not... I don't honestly know yet.

Is size the only guideline so far?

I mean should we be building only uprights or does anything go as long as it's small enough?

Plus are these designs expected to be original or we base our ideas on prior examples?

A contest like this could probably yeild a couple of potential new cab designs for full-size use!

Apollo · « **Reply #9 on:** August 05, 2003, 07:46:18 pm »

I don't see why a cocktail couldn't be built as long as it's within the size specs 30cmX30cmX30cm ( or any other kind of MAME machine for that matter, STAR WARS sit down micro cab anyone? )

This would be a mock up only ( you can make it beep if you want lol ).
It won't run any games it's just a model.
Maybe people can show us the MAME machine they would build if only they had a few thousand dollars spare.
Go wild just keep it under 30 cm tall ( and 30 cm wide thankyou he he ).

AlanS17 · « **Reply #10 on:** August 05, 2003, 07:47:51 pm »

... And here I was hoping to build an 8-way motorcycle racing game setup.

Apollo · « **Reply #11 on:** August 05, 2003, 08:20:32 pm »

Ok folks it's decided. Alan17 and I will judge, competition ends Sept 30th 2003.

night · « **Reply #12 on:** August 05, 2003, 09:00:18 pm »

hmmm... i think im in. if i can finish my real cab in time.
might grab me a dremel and carve it from a block of wood

SirPoonga · « **Reply #13 on:** August 05, 2003, 09:15:43 pm »

Apollo, would you reply with a complete and consise description of the rules?

Like when it finished, who is judging, how to submit an entry, rules on an acceptable entry, prizes. The info is spreadout on here.

Also, how do you know if the cabinet is within the constraints?

Also what are those measurments in inches? I don't have my TI-85 near me right now to convert.
I'm going scale. I have 1/8" plastic that will be scale of my 3/4" MDF if the scaler permits it to be within the limits.

edit the first post with this info.

rampy · « **Reply #14 on:** August 05, 2003, 09:47:16 pm »

is there a prize for smallest working mame cabinet?

Rampy

Apollo · « **Reply #15 on:** August 05, 2003, 09:57:46 pm »

See above

SirPoonga · « **Reply #16 on:** August 05, 2003, 10:20:25 pm »

Ahh, 12". Ok, let me think. My cabinet is made out of 3/4", that's also 6/8" right? So if I were to scale it to 1/8" plastic that a 1:6 scale?
My cabinet is 72" tall. So 12" is how tall my repoduction of my cabinet, to scale, would be, right?

railz · « **Reply #17 on:** August 05, 2003, 10:57:58 pm »

I'm up for it! Gives me something to do while I wait for all the parts for my real cabinet.

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #18 on:** August 05, 2003, 11:45:39 pm »

Here's the thing... I love the idea BUT I don't think anyone would do it unless you gave away a good prize for it. Building a minature cab for me at least, could become quite costly.

SirPoonga · « **Reply #19 on:** August 05, 2003, 11:47:43 pm »

Quote from: Apollo on August 05, 2003, 05:41:47 pm

You can only use basic parts i.e. buying a miniature TV or motorcycle and putting it in your cab will not be acceptable.

You mean if we had a 4" lcd lying around we could make that the screen and hook it up to a computer for output?

Apollo · « **Reply #20 on:** August 05, 2003, 11:55:37 pm »

Sir Poonga
Now you know that's not allowed lol.
This needs to be a competition that everyone can compete in on an even footing i.e you shouldn't have to spend a lot or use costly components to be able to win.

Howard_Casto
I really don't think people on this forum build things to win prizes.
I also think bragging rights are enough to motivate a lot of forum members.
If someone wants to donate a prize that would be awesome but the real fun is in the building.

By the way Saint or Sir Poonga what about custom status for the eventual winner?

AlanS17 · « **Reply #21 on:** August 05, 2003, 11:56:27 pm »

Quote from: Howard_Casto on August 05, 2003, 11:45:39 pm

Here's the thing... I love the idea BUT I don't think anyone would do it unless you gave away a good prize for it. Building a minature cab for me at least, could become quite costly.

What does your full-size machine look like?

BTW, building a minature shouldn't cost that much. I couldn't possibly imagine what materials would cost THAT much... This thing doesn't have to survive a nuclear blast.

SirPoonga · « **Reply #22 on:** August 05, 2003, 11:58:42 pm »

Quote from: Apollo on August 05, 2003, 11:55:37 pm

By the way Saint or Sir Poonga what about custom status for the eventual winner?

You'll have to talk to an admin like saint or pj. Lowly mods don't have that power.

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #23 on:** August 06, 2003, 12:15:16 am »

Quote from: Apollo on August 05, 2003, 11:55:37 pm

Howard_Casto
I really don't think people on this forum build things to win prizes.
I also think bragging rights are enough to motivate a lot of forum members.
If someone wants to donate a prize that would be awesome but the real fun is in the building.

Thats true, but we don't build them unless we can play with them. I'm with sirp on this one, if I build one, it's going to be playable.

Apollo · « **Reply #24 on:** August 06, 2003, 12:23:09 am »

OK I've changed the rules slightly to a more anything gos style. You can buy whatever you want to make your cab.

If you guys want to make micro cabs that actually work go for it.
To be eligible to win this competition however the computer must be inside the cab, just like a real one ( he he get around that I dare you ). You may have an external power source though.

AlanS17 · « **Reply #25 on:** August 06, 2003, 12:24:13 am »

How you gonna build a 12" machine you can play? The controls would be too small to use even if you could make them work. Plus don't forget this thing will have to be battery-powered if you do plan on making it work.

SirPoonga · « **Reply #26 on:** August 06, 2003, 12:44:23 am »

My pacman and snoopy tabletop are smaller than 12"

jakejake28 · « **Reply #27 on:** August 06, 2003, 12:45:25 am »

Quote from: AlanS17 on August 06, 2003, 12:24:13 am

How you gonna build a 12" machine you can play? The controls would be too small to use even if you could make them work. Plus don't forget this thing will have to be battery-powered if you do plan on making it work.

already figured that one out! i am gonna use my pocket pc. it runs games, it has a built in screen, ohhh yeaahh. thank you Compaq. as for the controls, use the controls i'll hack my game boy pocket and use that lil d-pad adaptor that makes it a digital joystick. oh, on second thought, nevermind. too much time and expense for something like this...

now if a reward or prize was offered...

AlanS17 · « **Reply #28 on:** August 06, 2003, 12:47:22 am »

Quote from: SirPoonga on August 06, 2003, 12:44:23 am

My pacman and snoopy tabletop are smaller than 12"

...and neither of them look like an arcade machine, but you're welcome to take them apart if you think it'll help your chances of winning (though I don't recommend it)

SirPoonga · « **Reply #29 on:** August 06, 2003, 12:49:10 am »

Quote from: AlanS17 on August 06, 2003, 12:47:22 am

Quote from: SirPoonga on August 06, 2003, 12:44:23 am
My pacman and snoopy tabletop are smaller than 12"

...and neither of them look like an arcade machine, but you're welcome to take them apart if you think it'll help your chances of winning (though I don't recommend it)

Yeah they do!
now you gave me an idea, I may have to borrow the pacman's joys:) I've taken both machines completely apart to fix them.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3140382847&category=2541

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3140763529&category=2541

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #30 on:** August 06, 2003, 12:49:17 am »

I word guys... gamegear

let the fun begin

AlanS17 · « **Reply #31 on:** August 06, 2003, 12:52:28 am »

Quote from: Howard_Casto on August 06, 2003, 12:49:17 am

I word guys... gamegear

let the fun begin

You would take apart your Gamegear?

jakejake28 · « **Reply #32 on:** August 06, 2003, 12:58:54 am »

Quote from: Howard_Casto on August 06, 2003, 12:49:17 am

I word guys... gamegear

let the fun begin

blaspheming fool!
gamegears should never be taken apart!
(except when they break and you need to play shining force: that is a reasonable thing to do)

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #33 on:** August 06, 2003, 01:02:37 am »

No guys my gamegear broke ages ago, but where they are really old you can find them for a song if you know where to look.

A person could also use a gba, but those are expensive for such a project.

NiN^_^NiN · « **Reply #34 on:** August 06, 2003, 02:10:18 am »

If i had the time i would make a mini mini mini cocktail cab using a n64 and a 5" LCD it be perfect the nintendo joystick is big enough use like a normal joystick

I have mini arcade buttons and i have a hack n64 controller around only problem is i don't have time to cut the wood out really.

Can i use cardboard

least i have an excuse to have some pizza lol

SirPoonga · « **Reply #35 on:** August 06, 2003, 02:13:14 am »

don't think there is a limit on material. My idea is to replicate either a pacman cocktail since I have the perfect piece of plexi for that or the clear ms pacman cab on saint's webpage.

Apollo · « **Reply #36 on:** August 06, 2003, 02:29:10 am »

Yeah I was thinking of a repro Pacman, not that I can win or anything, just for fun.
Oh well I might go for something else. I've got some ideas.

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #37 on:** August 06, 2003, 02:56:11 am »

Quote from: NiN^_^NiN on August 06, 2003, 02:10:18 am

If i had the time i would make a mini mini mini cocktail cab using a n64 and a 5" LCD it be perfect the nintendo joystick is big enough use like a normal joystick

I have mini arcade buttons and i have a hack n64 controller around only problem is i don't have time to cut the wood out really.

Can i use cardboard least i have an excuse to have some pizza lol

Look at our rules though... The end product needs to fit inside the model you make. Could you fit a n64 in it?

Frostillicus · « **Reply #38 on:** August 06, 2003, 08:20:29 am »

how about separating classes into 'working cabs' and 'mock ups'. Reason is I don't have money now to build a real working little cab, but I could do a fairly nice-looking model I'm sure.

If it comes down to a great looking model and a ok-looking working cab guess which would win?

custom status would be nice...

NiN^_^NiN · « **Reply #39 on:** August 06, 2003, 09:02:27 am »

Well i'v made a handheld N64 so this is a piece of cake

but what rule am i breaking? he said you can put anything inside the micro cabinet just as long as it's 30cm x 30cm

Also will you mesure it as 30cm tall if the cocktail cab has legs? or just the body of the unit?

AlanS17 · « **Reply #40 on:** August 06, 2003, 09:30:31 am »

Quote from: NiN^_^NiN on August 06, 2003, 02:10:18 am

If i had the time i would make a mini mini mini cocktail cab using a n64 and a 5" LCD it be perfect the nintendo joystick is big enough use like a normal joystick

I have mini arcade buttons and i have a hack n64 controller around only problem is i don't have time to cut the wood out really.

Can i use cardboard least i have an excuse to have some pizza lol

Cardboard is acceptable. And the thing must be no more than 12"X12"X12" including extensions such as legs.

jakejake28 · « **Reply #41 on:** August 06, 2003, 11:08:13 am »

now, have you guys decided on prizes yet? and has anyone thought of the psone and its lil screen? after all, there are a ton of compilations for it, plus the arcade games that get ported like sf3, it could really be a mini-mame...

Apollo · « **Reply #42 on:** August 06, 2003, 04:59:19 pm »

There will be no distinction made between working cabs and non-working cabs as far as awards.
This is purely to enable those who cannot fund a fully working cab to be able to compete on an even footing with those who can.
This is about design, construction and artwork.
Remember the idea came from the "mock ups" people were doing to test out their designs.

Admittedly if you can make a fully working scale model cab that would be some achievement but not really what this competition is about. If your fully working cab looks the best then it will win otherwise it won't, simple.

saint · « **Reply #43 on:** August 06, 2003, 07:31:50 pm »

I will send the winner a Hanaho Capcom Coin-Op Classics CD with the 14 Capcom roms (1941 - Block Block - Commando - Exed Exes - Ghouls'n Ghosts - Magic Sword - Mercs - Sections Z - Side Arms - Son Son - Street Fighter (Hyper Fighting) - Strider - U. N. Squadron - Varth). Good luck everyone

--- saint

TheGatesofBill · « **Reply #44 on:** August 06, 2003, 08:55:18 pm »

I think I'll make one. Probably hack apart a VMU and use cardboard. Ooh, this could be fun.

Apollo · « **Reply #45 on:** August 06, 2003, 10:26:59 pm »

Quote from: saint on August 06, 2003, 07:31:50 pm

I will send the winner a Hanaho Capcom Coin-Op Classics CD with the 14 Capcom roms (1941 - Block Block - Commando - Exed Exes - Ghouls'n Ghosts - Magic Sword - Mercs - Sections Z - Side Arms - Son Son - Street Fighter (Hyper Fighting) - Strider - U. N. Squadron - Varth). Good luck everyone

--- saint

Thanks Saint, that's awesome. Any word on custom status for the winner?

Apollo · « **Reply #46 on:** August 07, 2003, 12:02:43 am »

Check the first post on this thread for prize updates, it's looking pretty good so far.

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #47 on:** August 07, 2003, 12:51:38 am »

I hope a lot of people enter this so I won't feel so guilty when I whoop yalls butts.

Apollo · « **Reply #48 on:** August 07, 2003, 12:59:08 am »

Oh Howard you're such a tease lol.

jakejake28 · « **Reply #49 on:** August 07, 2003, 01:35:40 am »

Quote from: Howard_Casto on August 07, 2003, 12:51:38 am

I hope a lot of people enter this so I won't feel so guilty when I whoop yalls butts.

a bit off topic, but Howard, do you have a cab? no mention on the laz site, and you've spent a bit of time coding a few fe's (only tried dk, but its in my cab to stay) that seem meant for a cab...

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #50 on:** August 07, 2003, 01:48:49 am »

Yes I do, but it's nothing special. My own variant of luscid's plans. Of course back then it was one of the first to rip-off his design so it wasn't as bad.

SirPoonga · « **Reply #51 on:** August 07, 2003, 02:22:51 am »

Probably too early, but how are these prizes handed out? Like which category gets what prizes? That will sorta make my decesion of what cab I want to build. Or is it going to be random? Or the overall winner takes everyting?

planetjay · « **Reply #52 on:** August 07, 2003, 02:36:16 am »

Hmmmm... Let's see...

1. Apollo you have your answer.
2. Toshiba e755 ordered. I'll go ahead and DL mameCE this week too.

Questions:

Do controls have to be installed? Or can the be plugged in and hand held?
What fun is it if you can't PLAY IT?
Is smaller worth more or less points?

I wanna see if I can find TOO FAR. And then go beyond that!

Xphile · « **Reply #53 on:** August 07, 2003, 02:38:15 am »

Crap! I thought I was the only person to think of that..

I picked up a coleco tabletop pacman cheap about 2 months ago, figured out the relative screen size and and tore it apart to put into a scale-size custom-built (to the plan dimensions of a midway full-size upright) cabinet.. the PCB/screen of the coleco is one piece and all on the same plane as the two mini joys, so it works perfectly angled in the mini cab config..

anyways, I had the sides and all other parts cut(front,back,speaker panel,etc..) and primed in and out.

I was just getting ready to colour coat the sides and find some sideart...

it'll be beautiful!

unfortunately, the damn thing will be 18" tall...

<$@^&*%!>..

and I certainly didn't think a tabletop pacman was worth $59US on ebay..:-(
oh well, My scale pacman will be great and bring me at least $59 worth of joy..<weak grin>

(and even tho' it's not elegible here, I'll post a pic in projects when it's done..:-)

good luck and have fun..

TheGatesofBill · « **Reply #54 on:** August 07, 2003, 03:02:28 am »

Are we allowed to submit multiple entries or just one?

Apollo · « **Reply #55 on:** August 07, 2003, 04:29:39 am »

OK I have updated the first post on this thread to cover your questions, but here are the answers.

Multiple entries is fine and probably should be encouraged.

Smaller is not better just keep within the size limits.

Everything in your entry has to fit within the size limitations and should be authentic arcade in appearence ( you know what I mean ). This means that the only thing going to your cab is a power lead nothing else. No hand held controls.

There will be winners in the 3 categories and the overall winner will be chosen by Andy17 and myself from the 3 category winners. We have no personal preference for dedicated, cocktail or MAME we will just pick the best as we see it. All the prizes whatever they are will be sent to the overall winner.

jakejake28 · « **Reply #56 on:** August 07, 2003, 02:14:21 pm »

Quote from: Apollo on August 07, 2003, 04:29:39 am

There will be winners in the 3 categories and the overall winner will be chosen by Andy17 and myself from the 3 category winners.

if one person wins all three, would said person get 3 prizes?

oh, and might wanna edit that --BINGO! Either that, or I was attempting to say "before" but it was too many letters to type-- Andy17 gets mad....

AlanS17 · « **Reply #57 on:** August 07, 2003, 02:25:39 pm »

Too late... Already noticed...

*turning green and growing bigger* j/k

Apollo · « **Reply #58 on:** August 07, 2003, 06:14:43 pm »

He he Andy17 big ooooops. Sorry.

Houdini · « **Reply #59 on:** August 08, 2003, 02:20:28 am »

Hi,
my name is Tom. I come from Germany, and i am the Webmaster from the german board http://www.arcadeinfo.de.
Where can i Post my micro Model?
I have a wounderfull Cap in Alu.

PS: Sorry about my englisch $:-\$

AlanS17 · « **Reply #60 on:** August 08, 2003, 02:39:31 am »

Well crap... we didn't have those cool prizes to give away when I signed up for this judging position!

Oh well... probably don't have the time to make one, anyways...

Houdini · « **Reply #61 on:** August 08, 2003, 02:49:39 am »

Ok,
but just for fun..... here ist a pic.

Generic Eric · « **Reply #62 on:** August 08, 2003, 02:54:03 am »

Quote from: Houdini on August 08, 2003, 02:49:39 am

Ok,
but just for fun..... here ist a pic.

That would be a cool monopoly piece

paigeoliver · « **Reply #63 on:** August 08, 2003, 06:05:02 am »

I think I will just build a ruler at 6:1 scale and stand it next to my Kangaroo cabinet and take a picture of that instead.

Ooops, I MEANT that I will build a 1:6th scale Kangaroo cabinet, yeah that is the ticket.

Frostillicus · « **Reply #64 on:** August 08, 2003, 07:48:22 am »

Quote from: paigeoliver on August 08, 2003, 06:05:02 am

I think I will just build a ruler at 6:1 scale and stand it next to my Kangaroo cabinet and take a picture of that instead.

Ooops, I MEANT that I will build a 1:6th scale Kangaroo cabinet, yeah that is the ticket.

Heh...now you're on the trolley. I was thinking of doing the same thing...or maybe some photoshop magick. j/k! apollo/andy17

Nerd Of Nerds · « **Reply #65 on:** August 08, 2003, 02:59:21 pm »

can it be a mame cab

because i would build one if it could

EDIT:nevermind, i read the rules. but could i just put my gp32 into a box

it even has a joystick

bwuahahahahhahahahahahahahahaha the contest is MINE

SirPoonga · « **Reply #66 on:** August 09, 2003, 01:30:11 am »

NoN, hehe, however if it works isn't suppose to effect the judging (though it probably doesn't hurt

)

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #67 on:** August 09, 2003, 02:05:31 pm »

And for the record yours will be one of several working cabs entered. My cab as well as pj's will be working models. I believe pj is making a pda based one, so beat that.

NiN^_^NiN · « **Reply #68 on:** August 12, 2003, 03:42:09 am »

Sorry guys looks like i can't make a cabinet

i have $5 in my bank account and i dont have any cardboard around :\ but i might be able to who knows.

But i thought i should tell you guys that i found some mini arcade buttons (im gonna use them for exit and coin buttons on my real cabinet) there smaller than you finger there about the size of buttons on a ps2 controller.

and they cost like 50cents to $1 but this is in australia only but im sure they have the same in usa etc.

SirPoonga · « **Reply #69 on:** August 12, 2003, 02:19:51 pm »

More info on where you found them would help track them down:)

SirPoonga · « **Reply #70 on:** August 12, 2003, 02:39:40 pm »

Here's my submission. Just kidding

CitznFish · « **Reply #71 on:** August 12, 2003, 04:09:04 pm »

I miss my 2 player Coleco Galaxian

Brax · « **Reply #72 on:** August 13, 2003, 12:10:13 am »

I still have mine, and it's MINT........ but I'm having evil thoughts about tearing it apart.... It would be cool to have a more proper "replica". They're not that much money to buy....

Grr, the temptation!! Too bad I don't know someone with a chewed up handheld classic.

NiN^_^NiN · « **Reply #73 on:** August 13, 2003, 06:45:34 am »

Oh im sorry i got them at www.jaycar.com.au but as i said its australia only so you guys wont be able to get them from there but im sure some other place stocks them

Magnet_Eye · « **Reply #74 on:** August 13, 2003, 08:04:02 am »

dang, this guy has a bunch of those table top games!

http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=0127eric&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50

Dave_K. · « **Reply #75 on:** August 13, 2003, 07:16:41 pm »

Quote from: Brax on August 13, 2003, 12:10:13 am

I still have mine, and it's MINT........ but I'm having evil thoughts about tearing it apart.... It would be cool to have a more proper "replica". They're not that much money to buy....

Grr, the temptation!! Too bad I don't know someone with a chewed up handheld classic.

I also have a mint Galaxian. And I recently got a brand new ViewSonic V37 pocketpc! It would be a grave injustice to not play the original galaxian inside this little guy. My problem is taking apart the $$ pda.

1UP · « **Reply #76 on:** August 26, 2003, 01:52:47 am »

Heheh, I just found out about this contest, but I'm way ahead of ya!

I've been working on this for a couple weeks already. It's working, but unfortunately doesn't look like a real cab. Now I'll have to make a new shell just for the contest...

I'm still planning to put the PDA back in this shell for playability though (it's going on my desk at work...) Would be cool to make a 12" Pac replica with this for the display!

Dammit all! I have enough stuff on my plate right now!

BTW, before anyone blows a gasket, the Coleco was missing marquee artwork, and had a cracked PCB when I got it...I'm just giving it new life as a real Pac-Man game.

SirPoonga · « **Reply #77 on:** August 26, 2003, 02:05:02 pm »

You are a little slow there 1UP. I already submitted that, look up a couple of posts

But mine doesn't have the color screen. Ohhhhhhhh, Ahhhhhhhhhh.

1UP · « **Reply #78 on:** August 26, 2003, 11:44:34 pm »

Quote from: SirPoonga on August 26, 2003, 02:05:02 pm

You are a little slow there 1UP. I already submitted that, look up a couple of posts But mine doesn't have the color screen. Ohhhhhhhh, Ahhhhhhhhhh.

Doesn't count, you can't enter an unmodified handheld game...heheh!

SirPoonga · « **Reply #79 on:** August 27, 2003, 12:19:49 am »

How do you know it isn;t modified?

Tailgunner · « **Reply #80 on:** August 27, 2003, 12:46:10 am »

Hmmm, I can get MAME running on my camera's LCD, but then I can't take a picture of it. $:-\$

1UP · « **Reply #81 on:** August 27, 2003, 03:57:00 pm »

Sorry folks, the iPAQ has been sold to Aceldamor!

Aceldamor · « **Reply #82 on:** August 28, 2003, 12:45:22 am »

I actually may be interested....compaq says it has 32 megs of memory and 16 megs of flash memory, but dosen't say anything about the flash memory being the expandable type. Would you be able to clarify? Can you use the typical flash cards?

Frostillicus · « **Reply #83 on:** September 03, 2003, 01:34:35 pm »

Is anybody making any progress in their micro-cab construction?

Apollo · « **Reply #84 on:** September 03, 2003, 04:13:34 pm »

Good point Frosty, only 27 day to go.
Mine is constructed, just needs art and bezel and cp and coin door lol.
I'm guessing we are going to see some entries soon.

SirPoonga · « **Reply #85 on:** September 03, 2003, 05:26:33 pm »

I just started on mine, finally go materials. And I got my ddragon2 marquee so I can take a pic of that and will have full art

I thought about it, I'm not going to photosop out the cigarette burns on the cpo, it's more authentic that way

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #86 on:** September 05, 2003, 12:23:24 am »

Personally I would like an extension. I can build a good cab in a month, but I can build a great one in a few.

Apollo · « **Reply #87 on:** September 05, 2003, 04:01:42 am »

I have a feeling yours will be up there with the best of them HC, even with only 6 weeks to complete it.
Mines crap just quietly but hey I can't win a prize anyway lol.

SirPoonga · « **Reply #88 on:** September 07, 2003, 11:32:41 pm »

i'm debating to build a to scale double dragon II since I have the cabinet

or a detailed paper tab cut out version. That way it can sit next to my paper tab cars.

Lilwolf · « **Reply #89 on:** September 11, 2003, 09:20:14 am »

Not an authentic one...

But might be a GREAT base!

I would like to see someone build one out of a lunchbox! Get a few cool old lunchboxes. The old kind like a pacman one.

then have the lcd screen on the top 1/2.

then a computer on the bottom.

The hard part will be the controls. Buttons should be ok (joystick depth would be the problem I'm guessing). But the joystick?? Is there any joysticks that you can turn over or bend down? Something that you could close the lid, and have everything hidden away?

I haven't played with small controls.

Edgedamage · « **Reply #90 on:** September 12, 2003, 09:57:38 am »

Hello has anyone thought of using those mini pc motherboards I hear that they are really small.

1UP · « **Reply #91 on:** September 13, 2003, 03:15:18 pm »

Quote from: Edgedamage on September 12, 2003, 09:57:38 am

Hello has anyone thought of using those mini pc motherboards I hear that they are really small.

If by really small you 6"x6", not really small enough to fit in a 12"x4"x3" scale model of a real cab, but you could make a cool desktop mame with one...

jakejake28 · « **Reply #92 on:** September 13, 2003, 04:37:33 pm »

Quote from: 1UP on September 13, 2003, 03:15:18 pm

Quote from: Edgedamage on September 12, 2003, 09:57:38 am
Hello has anyone thought of using those mini pc motherboards I hear that they are really small.

If by really small you 6"x6", not really small enough to fit in a 12"x4"x3" scale model of a real cab, but you could make a cool desktop mame with one...

or you could do a mini-cocktail cab

1UP · « **Reply #93 on:** September 20, 2003, 03:03:40 am »

Uh, it's getting close folks...anyone got anything to show yet?

SirPoonga · « **Reply #94 on:** September 21, 2003, 12:33:57 am »

I have a paper template. Not sure if I will get done

Too many things going on.

Frostillicus · « **Reply #95 on:** September 21, 2003, 02:24:59 am »

I actually cut out the profile pieces of mine about a week or 2 ago, but nothing since...hopefully the motivation will arrive in time. If not, meh.

SirPoonga · « **Reply #96 on:** September 21, 2003, 01:52:36 pm »

Go Frosty, just as far as me

Not sure if I will get anything done this week, finals week and start of next season of pool league.

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #97 on:** September 28, 2003, 06:25:43 pm »

Unless the deadline is moved back I won't have an entry. Fighting a middle ear infection as we speak. I'm not allowed to operate heavy machinery.

Apollo · « **Reply #98 on:** September 28, 2003, 07:14:03 pm »

Deadline has been extended to 31st October 2003.
C'mon guys there are some pretty cool prizes I thought we would have had a few entries by now.
The deadline won't be extended again.
Sorry about the non consultation on this Alan17.

1UP · « **Reply #99 on:** September 28, 2003, 09:58:55 pm »

Damn, and I just got my micro CP and bezel artwork from Kinko's too! (Looks sweet BTW, probably the best print I've ever got from them!) Thought I was gonna be the only one with an entry for a minute there...

Ah, well, it's for the best, as I just started looking for work again and probably would not have time to apply the art properly and get my entry all cleaned up and photographed... Things should be better in a few weeks, and I'll definitely have 'er all shined up for Halloween! MUAHAHAHAAA!

Chris · « **Reply #100 on:** September 28, 2003, 11:28:36 pm »

I have an entry, I was just keeping a lid on it until closer to the end...

Apollo · « **Reply #101 on:** September 28, 2003, 11:42:36 pm »

Good on ya guys, I have an entry to. I wonder If I'll win, lol

SirPoonga · « **Reply #102 on:** September 29, 2003, 01:57:57 pm »

whew, extended, thanks. I had no time this month on mine. Ijust have the paper templates made. A grandpa dieing, quarter finals, radiator on car leaking (going two weeks right now without a car, it is starting to get too cold to ride bike...). Too many things to list. Plus I've been spending my free time on controls.dat. Almost done. Just need to make a few parts more idiot proof.

Chris · « **Reply #103 on:** September 29, 2003, 06:08:42 pm »

Quote from: 1UP on September 13, 2003, 03:15:18 pm

Quote from: Edgedamage on September 12, 2003, 09:57:38 am
Hello has anyone thought of using those mini pc motherboards I hear that they are really small.

If by really small you 6"x6", not really small enough to fit in a 12"x4"x3" scale model of a real cab, but you could make a cool desktop mame with one...

Still need a display, though, although a hacked laptop could work for a cocktail...

--Chris

JoyMonkey · « **Reply #104 on:** October 09, 2003, 05:16:44 pm »

Nooo!!!!

I forgot all about the competition.
I even bought some micro-sizes parts to build my entry (needless to say, my micro-cab would have wiped the floor).
Doubt I'll have time to put it together now.

Chris · « **Reply #105 on:** October 09, 2003, 07:18:36 pm »

There's still three full weeks....

1UP · « **Reply #106 on:** October 17, 2003, 04:26:20 pm »

Look out fellas, not only do I have a new job lined up, but it doesn't start for 10 more days...lots of spare time now...MUUAAHAHAHA!

I've got a can of spray mount, a working color printer, and an all 80's mp3 playlist. Let's rock!

1UP · « **Reply #107 on:** October 22, 2003, 08:25:04 pm »

Dammit, isn't it the 31st yet? I'm dying to post my project!!!

Chris · « **Reply #108 on:** October 22, 2003, 10:28:18 pm »

I thought we were supposed to post them by the 31st... I don't think there's anything stopping you from posting it now...

Apollo · « **Reply #109 on:** October 23, 2003, 01:15:03 am »

Yeah do it, do it!

Wienerdog · « **Reply #110 on:** October 23, 2003, 11:17:41 am »

And the crowd goes wild!!!

1UP... 1UP... 1UP... 1UP...

SuperBoB2Turbo · « **Reply #111 on:** October 23, 2003, 12:51:03 pm »

1UP, post a teaser pick! Like just a partial picture. Or maybe one that's been censored with a mosaic blur.

1UP · « **Reply #112 on:** October 23, 2003, 03:50:07 pm »

Well...I was hoping for the element of surprise. It is among my chief weaponry...that and an almost fanatical devotion to MAME...oh! and nice red outfits...wait, I'll come back in. No one expects the MicroMame Inquisition!

Aww, what the hell! (I've got another idea up my sleeve anyway...) This should be pretty close to actual size on most monitors...

SuperBoB2Turbo · « **Reply #113 on:** October 23, 2003, 04:27:31 pm »

Looks pretty sweet. Can't wait to see the whole thing.

"Fetch... The Comfy Chair!!!"

Frostillicus · « **Reply #114 on:** October 23, 2003, 08:39:54 pm »

These should be cool - I have been waaaaaay too busy to build my little cab, but maybe someday

IceCold · « **Reply #115 on:** October 23, 2003, 08:44:16 pm »

I was gonna hack my sega gamegear to make a micro cab, but I get the feeling the competition is going to be very tough...

1UP · « **Reply #116 on:** October 27, 2003, 04:24:11 am »

micro-pac

Well, I guess I'll just get the ball rolling here since it's so close, and I'm going to be too busy this week to remember to post this on Friday...

Here she is!

The fruit of my last few weeks' labor -- micro-pac. While it's not a scratchbuilt scale replica of an arcade cab, it was a VERY involved conversion project that took a lot of planning, and a lot of trial and error. What it is, is a very small, fully functional MAME machine, built into the shell of an old Coleco table-top electronic Pac-Man.

When I was in 5th grade, someone brought one of these to class. I was a geek with major Pac-Man fever, so I ran over to check it out. The casing looked arcade-like, cast in the rough shape of a GI Joe-sized arcade upright, boasting the same sideart that I was familiar with.

As I approached, I imagined some miniaturized CRT screen playing the same game that I had played in the arcade, but was disappointed when I got close enough to see the rather abstract LED graphics and grating sound effects... This wasn't Pac-Man at all! The maze was red, the animation was crude, and the ghosts had dots and little pac-men inside them! It was the biggest gaming disappointment I'd yet to experience (until the Atari 2600 version of Pac-Man was released some months later...)

About a year ago, the topic of micro-cabs came up in an old thread. I was intrigued, and acquired an old non-working Coleco Pac-Man, just like the one I'd seen at school 20 years before. It was missing the marquee sticker, but I knew where to get the artwork to reproduce one... I also bought a Cassiopeia E-100 PDA for $40 from ebay, with the intent of hacking it into the Coleco, giving the little game new life, hosting an arcade-authentic version of the same game. But once I got the PDA, I found it in such good shape (and it was so useful) that I felt it a waste to make it into a micro-MAME machine. It was outdated though, and I eventually opted to buy a new Dell Axim X5 for PDA use, freeing up the Cassiopeia for it's original intent...

The first challenge was to interface the Coleco's controls with the Cassiopeia. I did this by first identifying the ground and NO contacts for all the switches on the PDA, then soldering ribbon cable to the PCB traces. Some of these were quite tricky to connect, as the connections inside the PDA are very delicate and closely spaced. After testing the contacts with a multimeter, I squirted a few drops of hot glue to protect the delicate solders, and closed the thing up.

The appropriate wires were soldered to points on the stripped Coleco board, and a quick test showed that all buttons worked correctly. I added a few additional buttons to the Coleco's control panel for exit, menu, and fire, and two more on the back of the shell for reset and power.

The PDA's cradle was mounted where the Coleco's battery compartment used to be, and the PDA was secured to it using hot glue at strategic locations. This supports the PDA inside the Coleco, and allows it to receive power, charge the batteries, and sync with my PC for uploading software and roms.

Next, I designed a bezel frame from black foamcore board. This fits around the edges of the PDA, and allows the printed and laminated bezel artwork to fit flush against the front of the PDA. The artwork is scanned from an orignal Pac-Man upright, modified slightly to fit with the constraints of the Coleco/PDA. This frame was secured inside the top-half of the Coleco with some generously applied hot glue. The edges of the artwork match perfectly with the edges of the PDA's backlit screen.

In order to make sense of the additional buttons on the control panel, I created a new overlay, using original Pac-Man cabinet artwork. The look is in keeping with the original overlay. It was laser printed at Kinkos on a Fiery. The Kinko's I go to has self-serve lamination, so I was able to slip a backing sheet in behind the printed page, and laminated the two together. Once it cooled, I cut off the edges of the laminate, producing a one-sided laminated label that is more receptive to adhesive than normal 2-sided lamination.

I punched all the necessary holes in the label using round craft punches. I coated both the control panel and label with professional grade rubber cement, let it dry, then pressed the label in place for a permanent bond. I hinged the label to the CP with a piece of tape before joining, so that it would line up perfectly (dried rubber cement bonds instantly and you only get one chance to get it right.

As a finishing touch, I added a stylus clip to the back of the Coleco, using a plastic cable mount clip and some hot glue. I don't want any fingerprints or scratches on that touchscreen!

)p( · « **Reply #117 on:** October 27, 2003, 06:35:52 am »

micro-pac...just one word..WOW!

petet

Pungo76 · « **Reply #118 on:** October 27, 2003, 10:52:59 am »

Wow, that is awesome, GREAT JOB!!

What is the little Q-bert slide switch actually do, remap the joystick for diagnols?

Edgedamage · « **Reply #119 on:** October 27, 2003, 12:08:45 pm »

Wow great work I love it!

1UP · « **Reply #120 on:** October 27, 2003, 01:41:04 pm »

Quote from: Pungo76 on October 27, 2003, 10:52:59 am

Wow, that is awesome, GREAT JOB!!

What is the little Q-bert slide switch actually do, remap the joystick for diagnols?

That's the idea. I still have to do some rewiring on the switch, but that's the way it will work. The switch was originally the power switch on the Coleco, so I had to find something else to do with it...

Here are some screenshots of some of the other games:

Here's a closeup showing the detail in the screen (the colors are much stronger in person and the image is much sharper.) The TFT screen even looks like it has scanlines!

SuperBoB2Turbo · « **Reply #121 on:** October 27, 2003, 01:42:33 pm »

I want one!

nighthawk2099 · « **Reply #122 on:** October 27, 2003, 01:47:20 pm »

HOLY COW !!!!!!

(dropping to knees and begins to bow)

"WE'RE NOT WORTHY !!! WE'RE NOT WORTHY !!! "

Chris · « **Reply #123 on:** October 27, 2003, 01:53:09 pm »

Heh... I predict a run on old PDA's on eBay now....

nighthawk2099 · « **Reply #124 on:** October 27, 2003, 01:58:29 pm »

Who you tell'en... I'm already bidding...

Frostillicus · « **Reply #125 on:** October 27, 2003, 01:59:36 pm »

Pretty cool! That motivates me...

1UP · « **Reply #126 on:** October 27, 2003, 02:04:16 pm »

Be warned that TFT screens aren't very suitable as cocktail screens, since they are only meant to be viewed from a certain angle. That is why I angled the screen more upright, rather than laying it down in line with the original screen. Any other angle and the screen loses color and becomes milky.

Chris · « **Reply #127 on:** October 27, 2003, 02:11:18 pm »

I don't want one for the competition... I just want to make one of those for my desk at work! They'd make awesome gifts, too....

We need to put these in our own mini cabinets, though; it's be a shame to start chewing into all these Coleco handhelds...

Apollo · « **Reply #128 on:** October 27, 2003, 02:38:13 pm »

Wow, that is very impressive. I'm thinking we may need a new category, lol.

Dave_K. · « **Reply #129 on:** October 27, 2003, 05:07:11 pm »

1up, have one question, and I want you to answer honestly

. Do the few games you have running actually play at full speed with sound? I got a new ViewSonic v37 with 400mhz xscale processor (must be like 4 times faster than that cassiopia) and with the processor cranked at max performance, I still can't get any roms to play at 100% speed with sound correctly. Sure I could live with jerky games with crappy sound, or no sound and 100% speed, but it wouldn't be much fun to play.

Anyway, just wondering how playable your setup really is. Also wondering if you tried robotron with the dual joysticks

.

rampy · « **Reply #130 on:** October 27, 2003, 07:04:32 pm »

Quote from: Edgedamage on October 27, 2003, 12:08:45 pm

Wow great work I love it!

Patsy says, "It's only a model...."

(it's a joke, of course.. and I imagine most of you'll get it, right?)

Rampy

Good job 1up, what did you use for emu software on the cassiopea?

1UP · « **Reply #131 on:** October 27, 2003, 07:21:50 pm »

Quote from: Dave_K. on October 27, 2003, 05:07:11 pm

1up, have one question, and I want you to answer honestly . Do the few games you have running actually play at full speed with sound? I got a new ViewSonic v37 with 400mhz xscale processor (must be like 4 times faster than that cassiopia) and with the processor cranked at max performance, I still can't get any roms to play at 100% speed with sound correctly. Sure I could live with jerky games with crappy sound, or no sound and 100% speed, but it wouldn't be much fun to play.

Anyway, just wondering how playable your setup really is. Also wondering if you tried robotron with the dual joysticks .

According to the guy who made MAME-CE3, PDA sound just sucks, period. I have found this is the same on both my 133mhz Cassiopeia and my 400mhz Dell Axim, whether I'm running PocketNES, MAMECE-10x or MAME-CE3. Apparently, there are too few handles for the programmers to take advantage of, so the sound emulation is some kind of cheat.

I really don't mind not having sound, just as long as the emulation runs smoothly. So the answer is, most of the games will run at or near 100% with sound off, some will run pretty well with it on, but the quality runs from crappy to unlistenable.

(Speaking of unlistenable, my wife is watching Temple Of Doom on DVD, and it really brings out just how awful that movie was with all of Willy's annoying screaming and bitching...

)

BTW, I am running MAME-10X on the Cassiopeia, since it's optimized for the older Casios and runs the smoothest. My Dell Axim runs everything like a dream on MAME-CE3, even games that MAME-10X doesn't support. However, the dell tends to crop some games that fit perfectly on the Casio's screen. Lower res I guess?

Oh yeah, I don't think Robotron works with this version of MAMECE, so I dunno. I know the diagonals probably won't work with the Cassiopeia, so it would be hard to play... I have tried Battlezone with the dual sticks and it works fine, though vector games tend to be a bit sluggish.

Quote

Patsy says, "It's only a model...."

Good one, Rampy.

But you forgot to have him *shrug* when he says it!

BTW, this one's my working MAME entry, but I'm working on another "model" that I think you all may like...

Dave_K. · « **Reply #132 on:** October 27, 2003, 07:32:11 pm »

Quote from: 1UP on October 27, 2003, 07:21:50 pm

However, the dell tends to crop some games that fit perfectly on the Casio's screen. Lower res I guess?

I have the same clipping problem with my ViewSonic running MameCE3. I don't get it. Awsome job btw! I have a coleco galaxian I've wanted to mame similarly...but its pretty mint.

Ghoward · « **Reply #133 on:** October 27, 2003, 07:44:38 pm »

1UP you have done it again! Very cool.......I think I want to build one of those puppys too now.

Gary

Edgedamage · « **Reply #134 on:** October 27, 2003, 07:49:07 pm »

Also one could use the new psone with the lcd screen put into a mini cab. Running namco classics. Here's a pic of a gutted psone with a lcd monitor.

1UP · « **Reply #135 on:** October 27, 2003, 08:15:06 pm »

I think one of the newer GBAs with the backlit screens would be ideal. If you get a ROM burner and a blank cartridge, you can put PocketNES on it with a bunch of NES roms. Most of the NES ports of the arcade classics were pretty close to the originals. Pac-Man for instance looks almost identical...

Chris · « **Reply #136 on:** October 30, 2003, 01:19:33 pm »

As much as I hate to be a party pooper, although 1UP's mini cab is an incredible achievement, for the purposes of this contest it's certainly not unbeatable.

The contest rules note that whether the cabinet works or not is irrelevant. What's important is that the cabinet "should be authentic arcade in appearence".

Apollo · « **Reply #137 on:** October 30, 2003, 02:41:20 pm »

Quote from: Chris on October 30, 2003, 01:19:33 pm

As much as I hate to be a party pooper, although 1UP's mini cab is an incredible achievement, for the purposes of this contest it's certainly not unbeatable.

The contest rules note that whether the cabinet works or not is irrelevant. What's important is that the cabinet "should be authentic arcade in appearence".

Exactly, however as 1Up's cab is the only entry so far he is currently winning,lol.

Chris · « **Reply #138 on:** October 30, 2003, 02:47:33 pm »

Mine will be up tonight or tomorrow. Gotta take pictures still.

Apollo · « **Reply #139 on:** October 30, 2003, 04:55:51 pm »

He he it's the 31st here right now but I guess some of you guys are still on the 30th. New Zealanders are always ahead of the pack, lol.

team OBryan · « **Reply #140 on:** October 30, 2003, 06:00:51 pm »

so if the deadline is midnight oct 31 gmt what time is that central time in the USA.

NiN^_^NiN · « **Reply #141 on:** October 30, 2003, 06:03:47 pm »

well if you guys wanna make a cool mini arcade cab you should go out and buy a sony PS1 acreen then get a gunboy or simular unit.

The gunboy is 1 of them nes in a n64 controller but the gunboy has like 80 arcade games like galaga space invaders etc.

It also takes famicon games and you can use an adapter to play nes games on it.

This is how we make a NESp (Nintendo entertainmen system portable)
as apart of Bens board we make these and snes handhelds n64 whatever kind we want.

Thats where that ps1 pic came from above

that was a handheld ps1 called psp (afew months after wired mag did a thing on the psp sony said they would release a psp 3 months later think about it

)

www.classicgaming.com/vcsp

he's currently working on a NESp right now its quite an interesting site but he makes and sells atari 2600 handhelds

SirPoonga · « **Reply #142 on:** October 30, 2003, 06:06:10 pm »

Quote from: team OBryan on October 30, 2003, 06:00:51 pm

so if the deadline is midnight oct 31 gmt what time is that central time in the USA.

central is -6:00 GMT
so 6:00 pm

I will have mine done by then, will try and get pics up

Chris · « **Reply #143 on:** October 31, 2003, 01:03:39 am »

Okay, here we go: the first coin-op video game, Computer Space.

Building this cab was a challenge! Unfortunately, I didn't start taking pictures until I was almost done.

The first task was to build a rough core. A model of the Computer Space cabinet was built up from a plastic phone jack housing, balsa wood, cardboard, wire, and masking tape, ending up looking like a junkyard version of Johnny 5 from "Short Circuit". A clay layer was added over this, painstakingly shaped, and allowed to dry. The clay cracked and shrunk in places, and ended up looking like this:

To smooth out the model, I added frosting:

Okay, it's not actually frosting; it's a color changing spackle that goes on pink and turns white as it dries.

Meanwhile, the art for the control panel and bezel were measured and printed on an HP 8550 Color LaserJet printer. Finally, the model was painted with automotive metal-flake paint, just as the original cabinets were.

Here is a closer shot of the control panel, bezel and montor:

And heres a player's-eye view of the screen:

All in all, the project took about eight hours to complete.

--Chris

Apollo · « **Reply #144 on:** October 31, 2003, 02:01:38 am »

OMG that is the coolest thing!

1UP · « **Reply #145 on:** October 31, 2003, 03:47:41 am »

Quote from: Chris on October 30, 2003, 01:19:33 pm

As much as I hate to be a party pooper, although 1UP's mini cab is an incredible achievement, for the purposes of this contest it's certainly not unbeatable.

The contest rules note that whether the cabinet works or not is irrelevant. What's important is that the cabinet "should be authentic arcade in appearence".

Well, I did say that the working cab was something I was already working on before the contest anyway...my scale model entry will be posted soon...the glue is drying as we speak!

1UP · « **Reply #146 on:** October 31, 2003, 04:36:26 am »

OK, I'm seriously past my bedtime, but here's my final entry, the first arcade game I remember seeing as a kid: Space Invaders Deluxe, with actual reflected image over illuminated backdrop. Approx dimensions: 10" H x 5.5" D x 4.5" W. Materials: Black Foamcore board, black artists tape (for t-molding

), plastic model tubing (buttons), CD jewel cases (plexi) paper and transparencies printed on Fiery at Kinko's. Powered by 4.5v batteries (external).

I actually built those tiny buttons from styrene hobby tubing, those aren't printed!

Here's one the room lights reduced.

The screen is transparency, backed with Canon backlit film to diffuse the light. Lit by 7 white LEDs. The backdrop is made in 2 pieces (the blue moonbase and the orange sky are separate) lit by 3 colored LEDs each.

Here's a better angle to show how the horizontally mounted "screen" reflects onto the "plexi" (made from a cd jewel case cover) just like the real thing!

The coin slots are rigged with red LEDs, but I forgot to attach the wires for them, and don't have time to open it up and fix it. Also didn't have time to install 3 LEDs to light the marquee, will do that at a later date! Sorry for the quality of the photos, it's almost 2AM here and I can hardly type... Not sure of the time to complete, but I spend every night over the last week working on it to get it right! I really like the look of the SI Deluxe cab, and the game is one of my all time faves. This just might be the first actual arcade game that I'd want to buy for my game room!

BTW, I do like the Computer Space model!

Cheers

menace · « **Reply #147 on:** October 31, 2003, 07:12:27 am »

you guys must have the hands of surgeons! There would either be huge thumbprints all over mine or the severed thumb inside the thing from using an exacto knife in too close of quarters!

Phenomenal Work! Although admittedly the computer space one did make me hungry for some reason??? mmmm frosted arcade cab.....

Chris · « **Reply #148 on:** October 31, 2003, 09:18:36 am »

1Up: All your pics come up 404 for me...

1UP · « **Reply #149 on:** October 31, 2003, 12:11:05 pm »

OK, I fixed the pics. Been having problems with my domain again...

Chris · « **Reply #150 on:** October 31, 2003, 12:17:21 pm »

Well, they were certainly worth the wait!

I had another cabinet in the works, but after that I'm not even gonna finish it. I bow at your feet!

1UP · « **Reply #151 on:** October 31, 2003, 12:27:59 pm »

Why not finish it? I almost gave up on mine this week so I could go to sleep earlier, but it ended up coming out better than expected, so I'm glad I stuck to it...

Chris · « **Reply #152 on:** October 31, 2003, 12:39:10 pm »

Quote from: 1UP on October 31, 2003, 12:27:59 pm

Why not finish it? I almost gave up on mine this week so I could go to sleep earlier, but it ended up coming out better than expected, so I'm glad I stuck to it...

Because it isn't even remotely as good as that!

It was a Last Starfighter cab... I had to guess on large chunks of it, and then redo it when the pictures came out on eBay and I saw just how far off I was.

The primary material is basswood, at a scale of 1 inch to 1 foot, so the sheet is 1/16th of an inch thck to be equivalent to 3/4" thick. But all of the art is simple paper on wood; no transparencies, lights, lamination, etc. Nothing to compare to that...

1UP · « **Reply #153 on:** October 31, 2003, 12:46:25 pm »

A Last Starfighter cab would be cool. you should finish that even if it doesn't make it to the contest!

Chris · « **Reply #154 on:** October 31, 2003, 12:49:53 pm »

Quote from: 1UP on October 31, 2003, 12:46:25 pm

A Last Starfighter cab would be cool. you should finish that even if it doesn't make it to the contest!

Well, I've been thinking of something cooler: a Last Starfighter game, mimicing as much of the game that we can actually see and that is MAME-cabinet friendly. But I won't even consider it until I finish DOSCab Jukebox...

1UP · « **Reply #155 on:** October 31, 2003, 01:19:20 pm »

OK, I'm late for work now...but HEY, at least I got the coin door and marquee lights working on my tiny cab!

See ya all tonight, I'm hoping there will be a few more entries by then!

SirPoonga · « **Reply #156 on:** October 31, 2003, 01:24:40 pm »

Well, unfortunately I just didn't have the time, I spent most of my time working on controls.dat or fixing my car (what a POS!).

Here's as far as I got on the cardboard mockup. I ran out of ink and printed the bezel and marquee too large, otherwise they would be on the mockup.

The control panel, bezel, and sideart: guess where those came from:) I now have a replacement marquee finally too that I got for $1 off ebay. But the marquee in the mame32 pack was good enough for this size. I tried ot take a pic of my marquee but there was way too much glare, even with the flash diffused. partly to get the best looking shot for this I had to tae the pic straight on giving the most reflections. Grrrrrr.

Edit: Props to anyone who can name the the games in the background

SirPoonga · « **Reply #157 on:** October 31, 2003, 01:25:03 pm »

pic 2

Dave_K. · « **Reply #158 on:** October 31, 2003, 04:54:13 pm »

1up, I can't believe what a fantastic job you did. The attention to detail is just outstanding! Is this mini-cab also using the cassiopia?

team OBryan · « **Reply #159 on:** October 31, 2003, 05:23:06 pm »

Here is my entry. It has been complete since about 4 days before the last deadline. It is a working Pacman cab. It stands a little less than 12 inches tall. I used one of those Namco 5 game classic joystick things that run on 4 AA's and plugs into a TV found here

http://www.jakkstvgames.com/namco.html. The screen is an LCD rca TV with A/V jack. The joystick is a miniature 4 way that I found by luck in an electronic parts store. The buttons I had from a project in high school back in 1987.

marquee lit up

here is a screen shoot they didn't come out very good

here is the joystick

here is the board

here is the coin door

SirPoonga · « **Reply #160 on:** October 31, 2003, 06:31:18 pm »

where did you get that small joystick?

team OBryan · « **Reply #161 on:** October 31, 2003, 06:50:37 pm »

I found it at a electronics parts house called ACE electronics in Houston TX.They have a bunch of old surplus stuff and alot of new stuff to. I went looking for some switchs for work when right in front of my eyes was that tiny joystick. I asked if they had any more and was told no.but it was brand new so someone must be able to get more. the odd thing was there was no manufacture name on it just the $10.00 price tag .Kinda high to me.

SirPoonga · « **Reply #162 on:** October 31, 2003, 07:18:56 pm »

Did you ask where THEY got it from?

And 8-way or 4-way stick?

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #163 on:** October 31, 2003, 07:28:49 pm »

I just wanted to say that all the submissions are great. I only wish I could have found the opportunity to do my model but juding from the competition I doubt I could have won anyway.

team OBryan · « **Reply #164 on:** October 31, 2003, 08:50:57 pm »

The joystick was not marked 4 or 8 way but after testing it with a multimeter it is 4 way only. It has a center common pin and each direction has a pin unlike a real joystick that has the 2 connectors for each switch . I lucked out because the tv joystick game each switch was triggered by connecting to ground.

NiN^_^NiN · « **Reply #165 on:** October 31, 2003, 11:00:31 pm »

I am shocked at how good you guys made them

Congrats you all did a very good job im very tempted to go make 1 myself even if the comp will be finished.

Great work guys

they look sooooooooooo cool

1UP · « **Reply #166 on:** November 01, 2003, 02:03:53 am »

That Pac-Man is sweet! I wanted to make my Space Invaders playable, or at least with an animated display by putting in my new PDA, but then I realized that the picture would be reversed when it got reflected... Actually, though, it's nice that I can use it as decoration without having to mess up my PDA.

BTW, my micro-pac is a hit at work! I go to my desk in the morning and find it already running...

I introduced the idea of bringing in my full-sized cab for a few months, and everyone went nuts...these are the guys who came to my original cab-warming party a year ago...heheh...

So when does the judging begin? The suspense is killing me!!

Frostillicus · « **Reply #167 on:** November 01, 2003, 11:23:05 am »

HOLY COW THOSE ARE AWESOME!!!You guys are talented

That mini joystick is the bomb! and playable, too, I need one for my office!

rampy · « **Reply #168 on:** November 01, 2003, 01:06:28 pm »

Quote from: 1UP on October 31, 2003, 01:19:20 pm

OK, I'm late for work now...but HEY, at least I got the coin door and marquee lights working on my tiny cab!

See ya all tonight, I'm hoping there will be a few more entries by then!

You're a sick man, 1up... good job! You are totally "above and beyond"

Rampy

1UP · « **Reply #169 on:** November 01, 2003, 01:56:48 pm »

Quote from: rampy on November 01, 2003, 01:06:28 pm

You're a sick man, 1up... good job! You are totally "above and beyond"

Rampy

Funny what a lot of free time will do to you...my wife saw me building this and she was like "so are you going to put your mini-pac in this now?" and I'm like "no, it's just for decoration." She could kind of understand making a small working Mame machine, but why the hell would someone spend so much time on a small non-working model of a cab? The answer: extreme boredom!

No more free time for me though, last month I was off, this week I'm hard at work 10+ hours a day. It's all good though, the studio is two blocks from the beach on the Santa Monica promenade (a big outdoor mall), and it's right above a Hooters...

SirPoonga · « **Reply #170 on:** November 01, 2003, 09:59:26 pm »

I've been searching for th joystick. I wish some more info could be found. I found that small ball-top that was posted on here, but you have a minium of 100 per carton. Eeeeks.

team OBryan · « **Reply #171 on:** November 01, 2003, 10:26:24 pm »

Quote from: SirPoonga on November 01, 2003, 09:59:26 pm

I've been searching for th joystick. I wish some more info could be found. I found that small ball-top that was posted on here, but you have a minium of 100 per carton. Eeeeks.

I'll try to get to ACE electronics this week and see if anyone else there knows if they can get some more of these or if they even know where they got it from. Also a quick note about the miniature joystick I used. Be careful if you solder to it. The pins are not suppose to be soldered. They appear to plug into some kind of jack . I soldered to it anyway and the down direction didn't work. After looking at it I realized that when I heated it the plastic melted and the pin shifted to the side and it would not make contact.I reheated it and straighted it and it works just fine now.

microwrx · « **Reply #172 on:** November 02, 2003, 01:10:43 am »

Quote from: SirPoonga on November 01, 2003, 09:59:26 pm

I've been searching for th joystick. I wish some more info could be found. I found that small ball-top that was posted on here, but you have a minium of 100 per carton. Eeeeks.

How much were they for the box of 100? Got a link for them?

SirPoonga · « **Reply #173 on:** November 02, 2003, 02:57:35 am »

http://www.coinopexpress.com/products/parts/joysticks/Mini_Spherical_Joystick_with_Microswitch_3310.html

Chris · « **Reply #174 on:** November 02, 2003, 10:40:44 am »

Those things aren't that mini, according to the dmensions!

The dimensions are 85 x 50 x 112 mm. If my conversion rate is right, that's 3.4" x 2" x 4.5". A Happ Ms Pac-Man balltop is 3.6" x 3.15" x 4.26".

microwrx · « **Reply #175 on:** November 02, 2003, 08:20:45 pm »

Yep, that may be a mini but not a micro.

team OBryan · « **Reply #176 on:** November 02, 2003, 09:08:17 pm »

I'm still looing for another source for the joystick I used in my micro pacman cab but this is all I have been able to find so far.
http://sales.goldmine-elec.com/prodinfo.asp?prodid=8824

1UP · « **Reply #177 on:** November 02, 2003, 10:01:52 pm »

Quote from: team OBryan on November 02, 2003, 09:08:17 pm

I'm still looing for another source for the joystick I used in my micro pacman cab but this is all I have been able to find so far.
http://sales.goldmine-elec.com/prodinfo.asp?prodid=8824

Those would work. Not hard to mount a ball-top to that.

Chris · « **Reply #178 on:** November 02, 2003, 10:06:22 pm »

They're eight-ways, though... time to get OSCAR to create an itty bitty restrictor plate...

RetroJames · « **Reply #179 on:** November 03, 2003, 06:44:00 pm »

So who won anyway?

RandyT · « **Reply #180 on:** November 03, 2003, 10:31:34 pm »

Quote from: 1hookedspacecadet on November 03, 2003, 06:44:00 pm

So who won anyway?

I think the Judges vanished

I hope I don't have to make any decisions on this one

.

RandyT

RetroJames · « **Reply #181 on:** November 03, 2003, 11:03:43 pm »

So unless I missed something there are 3 categories:

Best Reproduction

(Defender) - Not sure if the user "Houdini" made this one, but if so I would say it should be in the running. See it on Pg2.
(Pac Man)
(Space Invaders)
(Computer Space)
(Double Dragon II)

Best Cocktail

(No Entries)

Best Mame

(Pac Man Conversion)

Is that all of them? No one did a cocktail?

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #182 on:** November 03, 2003, 11:08:30 pm »

Although I really like it, i think the pacman conversion is automatically disqualified.

It's not a reproduction, it's not a cocktail and it's not a scale model of an innovative new cab design. Simply put, it's not a model at all, it's just a cool toy 1up made. Again don't take this the wrong way, I think it's really cool, it just has nothing to do with the competition.

But yeah only 3 entries, kinda disappointing isn't it?

team OBryan · « **Reply #183 on:** November 03, 2003, 11:22:15 pm »

Quote from: 1hookedspacecadet on November 03, 2003, 11:03:43 pm

Is that all of them? No one did a cocktail?

After they extended the deadline I was going to do a micro Ms pacman Cocktail to go with my micro pacman upright .I decided against it because I thought there would have been alot of cocktail entries. To tell the truth I though there would have been alot more entries in all the categories.

Chris · « **Reply #184 on:** November 03, 2003, 11:38:30 pm »

Well, as much as I wanted to win that spinner, I think Computer Space is out of the running. It actually looks better than the pictures make it seem at normal viewing distance, but the closeups and the metal flake paint make every surface imperfection visible, and I should have taken more care trimming the bezel and put "glass" over the front.

The Defender is a great Monopoly piece, but lacks any detail. The Double Dragon is a nice start, but is incomplete.

That leaves Space Invaders Deluxe and Pac-Man.

Space Invaders Deluxe was a more complicated machine to duplicate, and it was pulled off very nicely. The buttons were a nice alternative to the expected printed control panel. That mirroring system is brilliant, and the artwork is spot-on. The lighting is gorgeous, although I don't thnk it counts.

The Pac-Man, however, is such a perfect replica that one coud mistake it for a real machine with a giant ruler next to it. That micro coin door is a nice touch! We can't count the fact that it works, though, and that actually hurts it silghtly as it now has the wrong type of joystick.

Every minute I think it's clear who the winner is, and five minutes later I change my mind. If I could, I'd split up the prizes or beg the donators to donate a second set, but I don't think either of those is likely. I'm glad I don't have to make the decision!

--Chris

Apollo · « **Reply #185 on:** November 03, 2003, 11:39:26 pm »

Yeah me to. Oh well we got a couple of awesome entries out of it.

RetroJames · « **Reply #186 on:** November 03, 2003, 11:40:54 pm »

I think I have to disagree. One of the categories was or is MAME cab. I think that the PAC conversion qualifies in that regard. I actually thought it was quite funny that 1UP "hacked" a "classic" pac man cab for a MAME project. It does indeed play multiple games. Looking at the rules, I don't see anything stating that the whole thing has to be fabricated.

One possible point of contention is the requirement, "...and should be authentic arcade in appearence ( you know what I mean ). This means that the only thing going to your cab is a power lead nothing else. No hand held controls."

While I suppose you could argue that 1up's conversion is not "authentic arcade in appearance" that statement is qualified later by a comment about the power and no hand held controls. One for the judges to decide I think.

Anyway, they are all cool. I feel like a dope that I did not do one, (20/20 hindsight). I sure could use that spinner and no offense, but I am pretty sure I would have wasted you guys!

Quote from: Howard_Casto on November 03, 2003, 11:08:30 pm

Although I really like it, i think the pacman conversion is automatically disqualified.

It's not a reproduction, it's not a cocktail and it's not a scale model of an innovative new cab design. Simply put, it's not a model at all, it's just a cool toy 1up made. Again don't take this the wrong way, I think it's really cool, it just has nothing to do with the competition.

But yeah only 3 entries, kinda disappointing isn't it?

team OBryan · « **Reply #187 on:** November 03, 2003, 11:46:11 pm »

The winner or should I say winners have been announced in another thread Looks like I won second place with my micro pacman .

http://www.arcadecontrols.org/yabbse/index.php?board=6;action=display;threadid=13002

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #188 on:** November 03, 2003, 11:55:30 pm »

Quote from: 1hookedspacecadet on November 03, 2003, 11:40:54 pm

I think I have to disagree. One of the categories was or is MAME cab. I think that the PAC conversion qualifies in that regard. I actually thought it was quite funny that 1UP "hacked" a "classic" pac man cab for a MAME project. It does indeed play multiple games. Looking at the rules, I don't see anything stating that the whole thing has to be fabricated.

One possible point of contention is the requirement, "...and should be authentic arcade in appearence ( you know what I mean ). This means that the only thing going to your cab is a power lead nothing else. No hand held controls."

While I suppose you could argue that 1up's conversion is not "authentic arcade in appearance" that statement is qualified later by a comment about the power and no hand held controls. One for the judges to decide I think.

Anyway, they are all cool. I feel like a dope that I did not do one, (20/20 hindsight). I sure could use that spinner and no offense, but I am pretty sure I would have wasted you guys!

Quote from: Howard_Casto on November 03, 2003, 11:08:30 pm
Although I really like it, i think the pacman conversion is automatically disqualified.

It's not a reproduction, it's not a cocktail and it's not a scale model of an innovative new cab design. Simply put, it's not a model at all, it's just a cool toy 1up made. Again don't take this the wrong way, I think it's really cool, it just has nothing to do with the competition.

But yeah only 3 entries, kinda disappointing isn't it?

No your missing the point... it's a MODEL competition.... that's not a scale model of anything... read the categories and descriptions of the contest again and maybe you'll understand this time. The mame category was for the best MODEL of an original mamecab design.

Regardless the voting is over and 1up won with his legitimate entry... I would also say that the judges agreed with me as his other isn't even listed.

Congrats 1up and everyone!

1UP · « **Reply #189 on:** November 04, 2003, 12:15:19 am »

Quote from: Howard_Casto on November 03, 2003, 11:55:30 pm

No your missing the point... it's a MODEL competition.... that's not a scale model of anything... read the categories and descriptions of the contest again and maybe you'll understand this time. The mame category was for the best MODEL of an original mamecab design.

Well, I didn't really expect to win with the Mame conversion, and quite honestly I would have felt guilty if I did, as it was most of the way done when the contest was announced. All I did afterward was to add artwork and clean up some of the construction.

I'm glad that the Space Invaders was able to impress Apollo enough to earn me a new spinner! (I'm going to need a second one when I move my main machine to work this month...) I was kind of worried there, because the Pac-Man and Computer Space were very well done!

Apollo · « **Reply #190 on:** November 04, 2003, 01:08:42 am »

I had the feeling that 1Up was kidding around with the Pacman and I knew that his real entry was on the way ( he hinted as much ) so I didn't really count it. As Howard pointed out it wasn't really a valid entry. Maybe this could be an annual event, I'm sure that the interest is there now thanks to the entries this time around? Any thoughts on that anyone?

team OBryan · « **Reply #191 on:** November 04, 2003, 07:16:52 am »

Quote from: Apollo on November 04, 2003, 01:08:42 am

Maybe this could be an annual event, I'm sure that the interest is there now thanks to the entries this time around? Any thoughts on that anyone?

OH yea! Count me in! With a year to plan and build there should be more entries. I can see it now I'll have a arcade full of 12" cabs in a few years.

RetroJames · « **Reply #192 on:** November 04, 2003, 08:04:10 am »

Hmm...again, sorry to split hairs but I am afraid I have to disagree again. No where in the first post by Apollo that outlines the rules, is the word "model" used. The MAME category was NOT for the best MODEL of an original mamecab design, it was...

"Categories will be:
Best reproduction of a dedicated cab
Best cocktail
Best MAME cab"

Look, I am not going to belabor the facts anymore, and I am sure most everyone here knew what was expected etc. All I am saying is that the way the rules were presented, if someone wanted to press the point, 1UP's conversion does meet all of the requirements unless there is an addendum to the rules somewhere else in this thread. You might want to qualify what must be fabricated and what does not have to be. In the micro PAC, he used an lcd and joysticks. Those were not fabricated. If 1UP cut the plastic up on that pac game and used it to form a new cab would that count? If I made a cab out of a soup can, is that acceptable.

Anyway, again I love the entries, heck yea I am interested in another round (although a year might be too long, how about 3 mo?) and no, I would not be such a stickler in the next round regardless of who won.

Quote

No your missing the point... it's a MODEL competition.... that's not a scale model of anything... read the categories and descriptions of the contest again and maybe you'll understand this time. The mame category was for the best MODEL of an original mamecab design.

NY_in_TX · « **Reply #193 on:** November 04, 2003, 10:52:28 am »

Man I gotta say that all the entries were AWESOME.

1UP's tabletop-conversion is one of the best MAME cabs I've ever seen...large, small, or otherwise. Quite amazing. There's the MAME can award right there.

Team OBryan, that reproduction is SWEET. Since it's so spot on and working, I gotta hand it to ya.

and I say the Computer Space cabinet gets the cocktail award...cause back then they didn't even have definitions for cabs. Plus it's cool, you know you want one.

to think I was going to enter the cocktail category with a pacman juice glass filled with a pina colada...I think by default I might have won.

congrats to everyone!

ny

ps I know the judging is independent third party and I know my vote doesn't count. Just giving props to the hard work.

Chris · « **Reply #194 on:** November 04, 2003, 10:58:49 am »

Quote from: NY_in_TX on November 04, 2003, 10:52:28 am

to think I was going to enter the cocktail category with a pacman juice glass filled with a pina colada...I think by default I might have won.

Isn't there actually a cocktail called a Pac-Man?

Chris · « **Reply #195 on:** November 04, 2003, 11:22:24 am »

Ah, yes, here it is, but it has no alcohol:

Pac Man

Dash each of; Bitters & Grenadine, Splash of Lemon juice, Ginger Ale

Stir all but Ginger Ale over ice, Fill with Ginger Ale, Garnish with an Orange slice

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #196 on:** November 04, 2003, 12:26:02 pm »

Quote from: 1hookedspacecadet on November 04, 2003, 08:04:10 am

Hmm...again, sorry to split hairs but I am afraid I have to disagree again. No where in the first post by Apollo that outlines the rules, is the word "model" used. The MAME category was NOT for the best MODEL of an original mamecab design, it was...

"Categories will be:
Best reproduction of a dedicated cab
Best cocktail
Best MAME cab"

Look, I am not going to belabor the facts anymore, and I am sure most everyone here knew what was expected etc. All I am saying is that the way the rules were presented, if someone wanted to press the point, 1UP's conversion does meet all of the requirements unless there is an addendum to the rules somewhere else in this thread. You might want to qualify what must be fabricated and what does not have to be. In the micro PAC, he used an lcd and joysticks. Those were not fabricated. If 1UP cut the plastic up on that pac game and used it to form a new cab would that count? If I made a cab out of a soup can, is that acceptable.

Anyway, again I love the entries, heck yea I am interested in another round (although a year might be too long, how about 3 mo?) and no, I would not be such a stickler in the next round regardless of who won.

Quote

No your missing the point... it's a MODEL competition.... that's not a scale model of anything... read the categories and descriptions of the contest again and maybe you'll understand this time. The mame category was for the best MODEL of an original mamecab design.

Your not very good at comprehension..... to quote literally the very first sentence.

"There seems to be a fair amount of interest in micro cab mock ups either for testing out dimensions of future MAME cab projects or just for fun."

micro cab mock ups = models

And even if you didn't get that the further descriptions of the rules explains that the cab has to be "arcade authentic" and pretty much scratch built. In otherwords no conversions period and no "inauthentic" buttons, designs and controls.

Everyone understands this completely and there has been no other arguments in your defense except for your own. The only reason I bring it up is because I would hate for you to make an entry next year like the pacman conversion and fruitlessly argue when it didn't win, like you are now.

I mean even apollo agreed with me and he's a frikkin judge, chill man, your point is mute.

RetroJames · « **Reply #197 on:** November 04, 2003, 01:30:22 pm »

Quote

Your not very good at comprehension..... to quote literally the very first sentence.

"There seems to be a fair amount of interest in micro cab mock ups either for testing out dimensions of future MAME cab projects or just for fun."

micro cab mock ups = models

While "mock-up" is a synonym for "model" it does not follow that using an exisiting "cabinet", in this case the pac man toy game, is grounds for disqualification under the rules as outlined in the thread.. 1UP changed many things on the "cabinet". At what point has he made enough modifications that would constitute a "mock-up" of an actual cab. What if one wanted to make a full sized version of the toy pac man cabinet? Could they not then use the toy's structure for their cabinet?

Quote

And even if you didn't get that the further descriptions of the rules explains that the cab has to be "arcade authentic" and pretty much scratch built. In otherwords no conversions period and no "inauthentic" buttons, designs and controls.

As I stated earlier, the "arcade authentic" line would be a decent point of contention IF it were not qualified in the sentence that followed, "Everything in your entry has to fit within the size limitations and should be authentic arcade in appearence ( you know what I mean ). This means that the only thing going to your cab is a power lead nothing else. No hand held controls."

Note that it does not say, "..."arcade authentic" and pretty much scratch built. In otherwords no conversions period and no "inauthentic" buttons, designs and controls."

You added most of that verbage to the sentence. I notice that in most of your replies you have done the same thing, adding what you felt the line meant rather than what the line actually read.

I did not see anything "going to 1ups cab" nor do I think it qualified as having "hand held controls".

Quote

Everyone understands this completely and there has been no other arguments in your defense except for your own. The only reason I bring it up is because I would hate for you to make an entry next year like the pacman conversion and fruitlessly argue when it didn't win, like you are now.

I mean even apollo agreed with me and he's a frikkin judge, chill man, your point is mute.

As I stated earlier, I am very aware of the spirit of the terms and rules of the competition, and if I had a point of contention on an entry I were to make, first I would ask, second I would not get upset if after the fact my entry was disqualified as 1ups was. Heck I would be pretty proud of putting the dang thing together, who cares about a spinner.

While Apollo, as the judge has the final say in such an area, and as such the argument is moot, I can assure you it is a valid argument. The issue is simply, "What constitutes a mock-up?" Does a model mean I cannot use any prefabricated parts? What parts can I use?

There is a Simpson's diorama that has a couple of cabinets in it, if i take one of those and make it a Spy Hunter cab, is that leagal?

SirPoonga · « **Reply #198 on:** November 04, 2003, 02:51:35 pm »

Quote from: 1hookedspacecadet on November 04, 2003, 01:30:22 pm

While "mock-up" is a synonym for "model" it does not follow that using an exisiting "cabinet", in this case the pac man toy game, is grounds for disqualification under the rules as outlined in the thread.. 1UP changed many things on the "cabinet". At what point has he made enough modifications that would constitute a "mock-up" of an actual cab. What if one wanted to make a full sized version of the toy pac man cabinet? Could they not then use the toy's structure for their cabinet?

Because it isn't in the spirit of the contest. The contest was about the spirit of building a cabinet, "There seems to be a fair amount of interest in micro cab mock ups either for testing out dimensions of future MAME cab projects or just for fun"
So the pacman toy was not built, it was modified. It wasn't modified that much either.

NY_in_TX · « **Reply #199 on:** November 04, 2003, 03:06:14 pm »

Quote

I mean even apollo agreed with me and he's a frikkin judge, chill man, your point is mute.

ha ha. mute point.

I think it's funny intentional or not. I guess that makes it moot.


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